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October 29, 2016

Was carbon monoxide used at the Majdanek concentration camp to kill prisoners?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 2:49 pm

Here is a description of the gas chambers in “Bath and Disinfection” Building Number One (barrack #41) at Majdanek, quoted from a guidebook which I purchased at the Visitor’s Center in 1998:

Begin quote:

“The gas chambers were built of ceramic brick, covered with a ferro-concrete roof, and provided with a cement floor. The installation comprised three chambers: a large one (10 m x 5.5 m x 2 m) and two smaller ones (4.80 m x 3.60 x 2 m) as well as a cabin for the SS man who pumped doses of gas from steel cylinders into the chambers and watched through a small grated window (25 x 15 cm), the behavior of the victims. Two chambers, the large one and the southern smaller one, were equipped with devices for the use of carbon monoxide (CO). In the smaller one, there was a metal pipe, 40 mm in diameter, running along the walls above the floor. The gas got into the chamber through holes in the pipe. Cyclone B was poured into a special opening in the concrete roof.”

“The large chamber also had a metal pipe, 25 mm in diameter, fastened to one of the walls above the floor. As in the smaller chamber, the carbon monoxide from a steel cylinder got in through this pipe. In addition, there were two openings in the western wall, through which hot air (120 degrees C) was blown in by a ventilator from a stove placed on the outside of the chamber, which alone killed the victims and, at the same time, intensified the action of Cyclone B, since the lethal effect of the gas increased at a temperature of over 27 degrees C. The other small chamber, on the southern side, had only an opening in the roof to pour in Cyclone B. The massive metal doors to the chambers were air-tight, fastened by two bolts and iron bars.”

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82 Comments »

  1. Now for the truth.
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p103_Faurisson.html

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 9:37 pm

  2. A 350 page book debunking the Majdanek gassing myth:
    Jürgen Graf, Carlo Mattogno Concentration Camp Majdanek A Historical and Technical Study
    http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres4/ccm.pdf

    An 82 minute video by Eric Hunt also disproves prisoners were was gassed there.

    “The reduction in Majdanek’s victim count which was introduced in Poland in the early 1990s was justified by saying that the unscientific considerations which in the past had required an inflation of the real numbers were now no longer valid. If that is truly so, then we may expect that the Polish historians— who, unlike their western counterparts, have at least tried to research the events in Majdanek—will throw off the dead weight of Stalinist historiography completely and not only in small portions, and that they will be open and honest about the consequences that will perforce follow from the state of documentation and from the physical nature of certain facilities on the grounds of the former camp Majdanek.”

    Comment by who dares wings — October 29, 2016 @ 6:20 pm

    • I doubt DH would watch Eric Hunts video he doesn’t seem to care about anything that the revisionists have to say he’s so convinced that he’s right that he likes to show his nonsense here without any proof of anything he says but then when someone tries to correct him he says we’re the crazy people.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 6:31 pm

      • I have watched his film… He makes the same nonsense claims as mattogno about the CO bottles and then goes on to snort 5 lines of crack and claim 1 document as ultimate proof that prisoners entered from the North…

        Which doesn’t work as the items of these people needed to be collected first.

        Which was collected in the Effektenkammer.

        Black Rabbit has also expressed that Eric Is wrong.

        http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=541404#p541404

        Hunt has said nothing New.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 7:52 pm

        • Again DH you refuse to answer my questions about the wood where is the wood to burn all these bodies very simple question why don’t you answer me.
          I see how you always deflect the tough questions to another topic which shows that you’re just a coward and you refused to tell the truth about what was going on on those camps.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 8:34 pm

          • Well, let’s see here Jim. Maybe the near by Forrest they were burning them in? Or the other forests within a short distance of Lublin…

            Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 8:39 pm

            • DH…..you are so stupid!
              Your answer is just so ridiculous again hard to believe I’m dealing with a knucklehead like you.
              Chew on this reality about the wood etc…

              Cremation nonsense
              Holocaust or Hoax by Jurgen Graf p.124

              Arnulf Neumaier’s study of the cremations.
              The manner in which the bodies at Treblinka were allegedly disposed of has been studied in detail by the certified engineer Arnulf Neumaier (27). Neumaier assumes 875,000 bodies, the figure given at the Demjanjuk Trial. For Belzec and Sobibor, where the cremations are supposed to have taken place on the same model, the number of victims mentioned in the following must be reduced correspondingly. 
              To burn 875,000 bodies in the open would have required at least 200 kg wood per corpse, i.e., a total of 195,000 tons. This is equivalent to a forest 6.4 km long and 1 km wide. The cremation actions, which are supposed to have lasted from early March until late August 1943, would have required 2,800 wood cutters per day, assuming that it takes one man to cut down one tree, cut the branches off, and saw it up. According to Holocaust literature, there were only 500 “working Jews” in total at the camp, only 25 of whom, according to a Holocaust survivor named Richard Glazar, were on wood-cutting detail, i.e., less than 1 1/2% of the number required. Deforested terrain of the corresponding size does not, and did not, exist in the vicinity of Treblinka; the transport of 195,000 tons of wood to the camp would certainly have been noted in the records of the Reichsbahn, if the wood had been brought from someplace else. 

              Further, the 875,000 bodies would have left 2,900 tons of ashes in addition to 1,000 tons of wood ash. These ashes would have contained millions of unburnt pieces of bone, in addition to 20 to 30 million teeth — even if we assume that each of the 875,000 victims lacked one tooth on average. If the Soviets and the Poles had found only a fraction of these ashes, bones, and teeth, they would have drummed an international commission together with a huge blare of propaganda, and the entire world would have been presented with the proof of German bestiality. So why didn’t they? 

              What were the “pure extermination camps” in reality? 
              Quite undisputedly, hundreds of thousands of Jews were deported to Treblinka after the defeat of the revolt in the Warsaw Ghetto revolt alone. What kind of camp was Treblinka? 

              Revisionists assume that it was a transit camp. It couldn’t have been an extermination camp in which the arriving Jews were gassed and burned, because of the technical impossibility of mass gassings with carbon monoxide and cremations using the methods described, quite apart from the fact that the “eyewitness testimony” as to the properties of the camp are not in accordance with the air photos. Nor was it a work camp, since it was much too small to hold to these masses of people. (We are speaking here of the “extermination camp”, also called Treblinka 2. Hardly three kilometers away lay so-called Treblinka 1, which was quite undisputedly a work camp, and has never played any role in the holocaust literature.)  

              The transit camp theory is also supported by the fact that Jews are known to have been deported from Treblinka to other camps. Holocaust literature even mentions Jews who were transferred from Treblinka to Majdanek. Why all these unnecessary transports from one “extermination camp” to another? 
              Presumably, Treblinka served as a transit camp on the way to settlements located further east in the Baltic and White Russia); the existence of these settlements is admitted even by authors like Reitlinger and Hilberg. 
               
              In our view, Sobibor and Belzec were transit camps, too; this is supported, among other things, by their location in the outermost east of the General Gouvernement. A clue to this possibility, with regards to Belzec, is furnished by a German document dated 17 March 1942, stating that the Jews “were sent over the border and were not to come back”. 
              Chelmno was presumably a transit camp, too, and was located in the Warthegau; according to the Korherr report, many Jews were transferred from this area to the Eastern regions. 

              Did the Germans destroy the documents relating to these camps, as stated in Holocaust literature? We cannot exclude this possibility. But if so, why did they carelessly leave all the documentation from Auschwitz and Majdanek just lying around to be captured? It seems much more probable to us that the documents were either destroyed by the Soviets or the Poles, or that they were stored in a safe place because they contradicted the extermination legend. Some interesting revelations may be expected over the coming years. 
               

              Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 9:07 pm

              • Lol Jim, think really hard. Bodies were taken to a Forrest to be burned, it’s almost like a Forrest HAS WOOD…

                God if a tree isn’t made of wood (on a basic level) and a forest isn’t made of large clusters of trees then you are correct. I would be stupid.

                But last time I checked a tree is able to be turned into fire wood and a forest contains trees. So Jim thanks for being a damned idiot as always. Maybe once you read the OPUS report of July 13, 1943 we can talk again on the issue.

                You have proven that you cannot stick to a single topic and again prove to be an idiot who cannot defend his views on a specific camp.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 9:20 pm

                • DH…..LOL…. I am sure getting a good laugh over this one, there was no mention of bringing any bodies to the forest you are so gone it’s hard to believe this story is changing even from you this isn’t what they said but according to you it is.

                  So they brought the bodies to the forest and chopped the hole forest down around them so there wouldn’t be any more forest left…. LOL. You are definitely funny there’s no doubt about it.
                  You have to be posting this as a joke because nobody in their right mind could even believe something as stupid as this story that you just hatched.
                  I think it’s time you write a book a revised Holohoax book because this story is a beaut.
                  We can put you in with Kurt Gerstein and all the lies that he said and Hoess, Dario Gabbi. Rudolph Vrba,
                  E-lie the Weasel, and hundreds of other Holohuxsters.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 10:07 pm

                • “I am sure getting a good laugh over this one, there was no mention of bringing any bodies to the forest you are so gone it’s hard to believe this story is changing even from you this isn’t what they said but according to you it is.”

                  Jim didn’t read it😄 and he proves a waste of time as always.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 10:10 pm

                • Jim when your Read the Quoted text of the OPUS report of the provided date on the Majdanek museum website. Get back to me. Otherwise your argument is as idiotic as always you damned fool. I honestly feel bad for calling you retarded in the past. This quite well demonstrates its an actual insult to retarded people.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 10:14 pm

                • DH…You definitely aren’t doing Justice to your Holohuxster out there by the nonsense you’re saying here.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 10:40 pm

                • Jim, again. Once you learn to read and then read the report I have mentioned, then we can talk.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 8:05 am

              • Alright Jim, let’s just say for the math 80,000 people died at Majdanek.

                For the calculation I will use mattognos rule of thumb, which means I will need “roughly in tons the same amount of wood waste as the weight of the carcasses”.

                Let’s just say every one of them weighed 120 lb or 54 kg.

                80,000 bodies x 54 kg weight = 4,320,000 total kg of body weight

                4,320,000 kg x 1 kg of wood per kg of body weight = 4,320,000 kg of wood

                4,320,000 = 4320 metric tons of wood…

                Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 9:33 pm

              • Absolutely Jim and these people forget that freshly cut wood is hard to burn and doesn’t give off much heat. Wood needs to be seasoned and dried properly for a long period for it to burn with real heat. Thus all this wood had to be stock piled in advance, which we don’t see on the aerial photos, or brought in on trains which is never mentioned or witnessed.

                Comment by Mr B — October 30, 2016 @ 12:31 am

                • No one is arguing otherwise… Its only being argued they had access to wood. Its as simple as that.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 8:40 am

                • Mr. B to just work off the issue of “dry wood” vs wood that is not dried I would again direct you to mattogno.

                  “1 kg of dry wood (20% humidity) with a calorific value of 3,800 kcal/kg is the equivalent of 1.9 kg of green wood”

                  That would mean I would take my figure to burn 80,000 people and times it by 1.9

                  80,000 bodies x 54 kg weight = 4,320,000 total kg of body weight

                  4,320,000 kg x 1 kg of wood per kg of body weight = 4,320,000 kg of wood

                  4,320,000 kg of wood x 1.9 = 8,208,000 kg

                  8,208,000 kg = 8,208 Metic Tons… This is still not a large amount of wood.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 8:57 am

                • They have no logical answer to the wood problem so their HoloHoax conclusions are wrong and that destroys their version that they have.
                  Comlete nonsense!

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 9:09 am

                • Jim again doesn’t provide why my math is wrong.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 10:35 am

          • Also Jim… You have to ask a question before I can actually answer your damned question. You not stating a question isn’t me not answering a question.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 8:39 pm

    • Eric Hunt’s video presentation shows a former inmate of Majdanek who uttered the following piece of inspired truth;-

      ” When we got to the washrooms – which were also used for the gassings… I said to the man ” is this the end of our line?”…And they were saying “Today, you don’t have to worry about the gas chamber – because they don’t have no gas”.

      So the Nazi administrators must have been very neglectful that day – not to have ensured in advance that they had enough gas available to carry out their small, but vital part in carrying out The Final Solution. Maybe not enough cans of Zyklon B had been ordered; and perhaps the carbon monoxide cylinders were away at the factory being re-filled.

      But according to the Majdanek guide book, they could have used the third method of extermination, which was the stoves that could apparently blow super-hot air into the chambers at 120 degrees C and which would have scorched them all to death.

      But obviously the SS, in their confusion and distress at the absence of any poison gas, forgot about this third method of killing, and thus our lucky inmate was able to survive and later recount his holocaust tale to the Shoah Foundation in order for us all today to rejoice and marvel at his miraculous escape from the Nazi clutches.

      Comment by Talbot — October 30, 2016 @ 7:29 am

      • This is only a Leuchter thing… Mattogno doesn’t even use this as an argument… And again Tal still hasn’t found a good explanation that stands within reason.

        “But according to the Majdanek guide book, they could have used the third method of extermination, which was the stoves that could apparently blow super-hot air into the chambers at 120 degrees C and which would have scorched them all to death.”

        No one argues that the furnace could reach such high temperatures. No one says it was used in such a fashion. Some do claim that zyklon could enter the room through it but Kranz doesn’t hold onto this idea nor does the museum.

        So we again stand here with Tal doing everything in his power to try and make an argument when he should just take the time to read mattogno’s book.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 9:28 am

        • Quote from HoloHuxster DH….
          So we again stand here with Tal doing everything in his power to try and make an argument when he should just take the time to read mattogno’s book.

          And DH is doing everything within his power to spread the wood Hoax…..
          Yup…..1.3 million people burned up with wood that didn’t exist in the camps.
          Where is the wood DH? You answers are getting nuttier and nuttier as you post here.
          No pictures, no wood piles, no ashes, no nothing, yet we are to believe that 1.3 million were burnt with wood…..Yikes!

          JR

          Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 10:13 am

          • Lol Tal doing “everything in his power” means just make shit up without even checking to see what he says is correct.

            I honestly don’t have to do much at all cause Tal has no fucking idea what he is talking about. And Jim cannot even stick to a single topic so here we go.

            You are trying to argue what 1.3 million people were burned in the woods? Correct? Sadly enough we are currently focusing on MAJDANEK Jim. As already explained, only 78,000 people died in the main camp and the Krepiecki Forest.

            So again we see deniers taking an argument out of context. If you want to continue acting like a fucking idiot as always then please be my guest. You do a great job of it.

            If you want to argue action Reinhard we are looking at the wood being brought to the camp.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 10:20 am

            • DH…The only reason why you are concentrating on Maijdenek is because you want to take people off a vital question that is perfectly reasonable….where are the millions of pounds of wood needed to kill 1.3 million people in these camps. You gave a cockamamie answer that has embarrassed you to all truth seekers here. I would be embarrassed too with such a stupid an ridiculous answer like the one you gave. Your answer…. “they took them to the woods”…..like freshly cut trees burn well…LOL
              That wood would have to have to been stacked for months if not years to really be able to get the best burn for the buck here. You know its called dry wood as opposed to green wood.
              Ever use a wood stove?
              You HoloHuxsters are the ones that shift gears when it’s suitable for you no caring to follow thorough with true facts, do you think we are that stupid to go along with you dishonest tricks?
              Do you honestly feel green wood could burn all these bodies in the time they said it was done?
              Do you rea;ize how much smoke would of risen from burning wet green wood?
              The white steam plume would of gone on for days. Are you that stupid to understand how the wood burning process works. And if done in the winter it would be even worse.
              Or are you going to drop this issue because it’s too hot for you too handle…..pun intended…
              You make fun of me about the millions of teeth that had to be smashed with sticks (your take on it) after being burned, or was it the teeth just disintegrated by themselves??….but actually think you can burn bodies teeth and all that were wet from being underground and burned with green wet wood? Hard to believe!

              JR

              Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 10:51 am

              • “The only reason why you are concentrating on Maijdenek is because you want to take people off a vital question that is perfectly reasonable”

                No I am sticking to Majdanek because of apparently people complaining about me going “off topic” and its quite sad they don’t understand its because you change the topic all the time.

                Its cause you are a joke.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 10:54 am

              • The only reason I am concentrating on Majdanek is because that is the area of concern. Do I honestly need to do the figures for wood brought to Treblinka Sobibor and Belzec?

                Here let’s look at Mattognos figures for Belzec.

                Mattogno says that 96,000 tons of wood. We will follow the same rules. And we will use 600,000 the same number that Mattogno uses, despite it being incorrect.

                According to Mattogno the adverage body weighs 46 kilograms (101 pounds). This is wrong, Provan doing an average of 7 human beings reached an average weight of 33.25 kilograms (about 73 pounds) a figure very similar to Gerstein who said 35 kilograms (77 pounds) was the average. Provans subjects were well fed Americans and not the starved poles that were locked up in ghettos and deprived of a sufficient amount of food.

                http://holocaust.skeptik.net/documents/provan_gerstein.html

                If we take from Hdot in their method of reducing the weight based on including the weight of children we reach 55 lb which should account for decomposition. So that would be roughly 25 kg.

                “600,000 bodies x 25 kg of weight each = 15,000,000 total kg of body weight

                15,000,000 kg x 1 kg of wood per kg of body weight = 15,000,000 kg of wood

                15,000,000 kg of wood = 15,000 metric tons of wood”
                https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/or19-amount-wood/

                15,000 times 1.9 = 28,500 metric tons.

                This means that Mattognos figure is 3 times larger then the amount needed.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 1:10 pm

                • Great….so where was the wood stored.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 1:44 pm

                • They got fresh wood, Jim. They collected it as time went by… They wouldn’t need storage and they had Petrol to be used to start the fire and act as another source of fuel.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 1:53 pm

                • You wrote: “Provans subjects were well fed Americans and not the starved poles that were locked up in ghettos and deprived of a sufficient amount of food.”

                  When I first went to Poland in 1998, I was shocked at the sight of the older Polish women who were all under 5 feet tall.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 30, 2016 @ 1:51 pm

                • Interesting. Thanks for the info FG, but I don’t think I will be using it.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 2:40 pm

                • You wrote: “I don’t think I will be using it.”

                  Using it for what? Are you writing a book?

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 30, 2016 @ 6:54 pm

                • No, just not going to use it for measurements. I most likely will still with Provans work.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 7:10 pm

                • You wrote: “Do I honestly need to do the figures for wood brought to Treblinka Sobibor and Belzec?”

                  Why would it have been necessary to bring wood to Treblinka, which was literally out in the woods? The camp was tiny and it was surrounded by a forest. Sobibor was also out in the woods. I was warned not to go there because thieves could be hiding behind a tree and would jump out and rob me. Belzec is a tiny place, also surrounded by trees.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 30, 2016 @ 1:58 pm

                • Well FG, what I mean by bring wood to Treblinka is to send out the work Jews from T 1&2 to gather wood. They didn’t have the resources like at Majdanek to transport the bodies to a near by forest.

                  They had to bring a large amount of wood to the camp.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 2:45 pm

                • Where was the wood stored?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 2:48 pm

                • Jim, I know what you are trying to Imply. They wouldn’t need a wood shed.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

                • There would have to be thousands and thousands of pounds of wood stacked somewhere for months ready to be used where is the wood?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

                • Thousands of pounds piled up for months? You did realize they were not holding onto this wood for extended periods?

                  It was used and gathered. Aka to simplify this statement it’s more so the SS hadn’t held onto much wood and would generally have it cut regularly. They would rather easily have a wood supply from the fencing as well, considering they would mix branches in with the fence to create a blind. Mind I am not saying they had millions of pounds of wood along the fencing but that it was just a close supply which would regularly be resupplied.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

                • That is a pretty lame answer about the wood. It takes about 400 pounds of wood to burn one body so you go figure it out, they would have had to have on hand tons of wood for each burning cycle this was no small matter as you’re making it. This was a huge undertaking that would have taken a lot of people to be involved.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 6:05 pm

                • Jim, we are not talking about a pyre for a single person.

                  Maybe once you prove the Dresden grill has 400 pounds of wood under it then we could take your argument seriously.

                  I also don’t see an amazing 2,720,000 pounds of wood in any of the photographs.

                  You know why? Because this method used multiple flammable materials.

                  Wood, gasoline, and fat would again all play a roll. But in the end they were burning around 400 to 500 corpses on one grill at a time. It wouldn’t be a huge undertaking in anyway at all. According to Glay the grills at would cremate about 2000 corpses a day which would imply the grills used at Treblinka Belzec and Sobibor were in fact larger. Cremation pits were used for a period of time and in 2014 in Sobibor alone 9 of these pits were found by Wojciech Mazurekm. You can actually read Wojciech Mazurekm’s findings online in PDF formate from the Sobibor museum.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 6:30 pm

                • Now I can see you’re going over the deep end thinking that the fat of the Jews actually was used in the burning of the bodies….. you’re losing it.
                  More nonsense!
                  So how do you propose those bodies at Dresden burned? I don’t see any fire or anything at all under those bodies…this smoldering could be just from the heat of the bodies themselves by being piled up on top of each other, or more logically smoldering from being burned by the bombings.
                  At this point in time I have no idea how they got rid of the bodies in Dresden. I definitely didn’t see any wood in the equation there being used.
                  To compare Dresden with the Reinhard camps is not a good example they were two different situations. You are the one that brought up the people being burned in the Reinhardt comps by wood and yet you can’t prove it was done.
                  Notw you’re trying to deflect the problem to Dresden which is again a whole different situation.
                  Typical Holohuckster nonsense.

                  JR

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 7:09 pm

                • Jim, fat in generally is flammable… Jewish or not. This is a commonly known fact.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 7:11 pm

                • “Dead Obese Woman Carried So Much Fat She Set Crematorium on Fire”

                  http://gizmodo.com/5915905/dead-obese-woman-carried-so-much-fat-she-set-crematorium-on-fire

                  I mentioned other flammables as well. So it’s not just fat alone.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 7:13 pm

                • “At this point in time I have no idea how they got rid of the bodies in Dresden. I definitely didn’t see any wood in the equation there being used.”

                  Then you are BLIND:

                  “The Steel girders had been winched out of the ruins of the Renner department store on the Altmarkt and these had been laid across crudely collected piles of sandstone blocks.A gigantic grill over twenty-feet long was being erected. Under the steel girders and bars were poked bundles of wood and straw. On top of the grill were heaped the corpses, four or five hundred at a time, with more straw between each layer.The soldiers trampled up and down on top of this rotting heap, straightening the victims, trying to make room for more, and carefully building the stack. Many of the dead children sandwiched into these terrible pyres were still wearing the colourful carnival clothes that they had donned so eagerly two weeks before..”
                  (Apocalypse 1945: The Destruction of Dresden, pp. 278)

                  http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Dresden/Dresden_1995.pdf

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 7:25 pm

                • “You are the one that brought up the people being burned in the Reinhardt comps by wood and yet you can’t prove it was done.”

                  No Jim, you are the one who continued to press a damned question that you never asked before.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 7:26 pm

            • Oh, I see that you have reverted to filthy language about me in a post addressed to Jim Rizoli.

              So that’s the kind of person you are – very telling.

              Comment by Talbot — October 30, 2016 @ 10:55 am

              • Awe, I said a mean word. You going to cry about it?

                Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 10:55 am

                • DH…..you have no respect for people and you think you’re going to get respect from us.
                  You’re just a punk college kid that thinks he/she has all the answers…
                  You are so far out of you league with truth here but you use profanity to bolster yourself up over your lies. It makes you feel powerful….ya, powerfully stupid…
                  Apparently your family life wasn’t that great..as you never leaned to speak respectfully to those older than you. You’re also probably a bully among your peers….Luck them….

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 11:03 am

                • I don’t look to be respectful to people like yourself Jim.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 11:23 am

                • Here is my final thought about Majdanek:

                  Imagine you are driving down I-5, a super highway in California, and there is heavy traffic, with no place to pull over and stop. Imagine that someone says to you “Look over there and you will see a gas chamber building where the Nazis gassed Jews.”

                  You look over there and you see two identical buildings, so you say “Which one?” Your guide tells you that the gas chamber is the building on the left, and that the identical building on the right was used for delousing the clothing of the prisoners.

                  You say: “Can I see the delousing building first?” and your guide says “No, you may not. You may not go anywhere near the delousing building and you cannot peek into the windows because they are covered.”

                  At this point, you say to yourself: “Something wrong!”

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 30, 2016 @ 11:30 am

                • As I have explained FG, it’s a fair distance from the road… It’s not right up against it. Someone would look at it as a disinfection chamber.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 1:12 pm

                • No, I’m not going to cry about it – I just laugh at people like you.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 30, 2016 @ 11:08 am

                • Lol, that’s great Tal. I’ll continue to laugh at your negation of reality.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 11:24 am

        • I was just quoting the official Majdanek guidebook, Den, and combining this information with a quote from a camp survivor, in order to show how ludicrous the holocaust narrative can often descend to.

          But it is your own lack of credible arguments that trouble me the most. You claim to have read and studied all these documents, books and statements from all-and-sundry, but despite all your gallant efforts in amassing the information and divulging it to us on FG’s Blog – it all remains terribly unconvincing.

          Comment by Talbot — October 30, 2016 @ 10:16 am

          • DHs lack of credibility is too kind of a term….how about just plain nuts.
            When he can explain to me that you can burn 1.3 million people without wood being physically there then I’ll be a believer.
            We’re definitely dealing with Miracles here

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 10:22 am

            • Jim lost all credibility when he continued to try and change the subject from a single chamber to the AR camps… Something which Majdanek was NEVER a part of.

              Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

              • Still waiting for your explanation of the mystery wood. Poof! Millions of pounds of wood just appeared out of nowhere to be used to burn the Jews there, right, next joke.
                You too embarrassed to explain it aren’t you?

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 12:48 pm

                • No because your a damned idiot. Provan found figures smaller then Mattognos. The average weight of a person is not 101 pounds.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 1:15 pm

          • “I was just quoting the official Majdanek guidebook”

            No you were quoting two quotes from FG and a section on the Leuchter report. Thing is that Leuchter has no damn idea what he is talking about and is very much wrong.

            “Den, and combining this information with a quote from a camp survivor, in order to show how ludicrous the holocaust narrative can often descend to.”

            So we have seen Tal creating an argument from Thin air. I never quoted any survivors Tal. I quoted MATTOGNO saying leuchter was wrong. HALF of your argument was based on the ‘technical’ report of leuchter. Which is a complete joke after one (once again) reads his claim that the gas chamber would explode, a technical impossibility.

            “But it is your own lack of credible arguments that trouble me the most.”

            Its not a lack of “credible” arguments. Its that you have a tendency to interpret the evidence as you please and make up things as you go placing no burden on yourself and only placing the burden on others.

            “You claim to have read and studied all these documents, books and statements from all-and-sundry, but despite all your gallant efforts in amassing the information and divulging it to us on FG’s Blog – it all remains terribly unconvincing.”

            Tal, you do not have enough straw for the man you are trying you stuff right now. You have created something I have never claimed. I have only stated you never put effort into looking into things.

            http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

            Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 10:34 am

  3. So now we have a combo killing machine carbon monoxide and zyklon b can’t beat it kills everybody in a Flash.
    The stories get weirder as time goes on and people get stupider.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 4:00 pm

    • The guidebook seems to be telling us that there was also a third method of killing the victims in these “gas chambers”. Apparently, stoves placed outside the building, heated up the air to 120 degrees C, and this was blown into the chambers. So not only was their naked skin being burnt, but as they breathed in the super-hot air, their throat and lungs were all scorched as well.

      But when one thinks about it all sensibly (ha-ha) – this would be a good back-up method, because neither the carbon monoxide distribution pipes, nor the fumigation pellets could be relied upon to actually work in practise, whereas the hot air system would appear at first glance to be a more soundly-based operation.

      Comment by Talbot — October 29, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

      • The Guide book is old.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

        • Oh, so yet again the story-line changes as time marches on, and a fresh bunch of holocausters arrive on the scene with their own ideas of how the extermination process went down.

          I think Further Glory should contact Majdanek and ask for a refund on the guidebook if the information within it is incorrect.

          Comment by Talbot — October 29, 2016 @ 5:49 pm

          • 1) no, that’s not how a revision works. By this logic then the Holodomor wasn’t a genocide. Cause originally it was thought to be a genocide against the Ukrainian population of the Volga, Kuban, and the Ukranian SSR.

            Some historians say it wasn’t a Genocide. Some say it only happened in the Ukranian. Michael Ellman for example says it was only genocidal in the Kuban, it’s just how revision works. They will simply an event based off old and new sources and provide a new interpretation.

            2) that’s not how a refund works.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 6:02 pm

      • FG’s guidebook says that the CO gas got into chamber #2 by holes in the pipes.

        But the Leuchter Report says the following;- ” Both chambers have piping, allegedly for carbon monoxide gas, but that in chamber #2 is incomplete, apparently never having been completed. Chamber #1 has finished piping, terminated in gas ports at two corners of the room. ”

        So the Leuchter Report suggests that chamber #2 was not a functioning gas chamber at all ( at least not for CO poisoning ). The pipe in chamber #1 ended at “gas ports” in two corners, but how the gas was distributed evenly to each “gas port” is not explain in either the Leuchter Report nor the Majdanek guidebook.

        Leuchter goes on to say;- ” Chamber #1 has a heater/circulatory system for the air, which is not properly designed (the inlet and outlet are too close) and has no provision for venting…”

        “…Therefore, it is the author’s best engineering opinion that chambers #1 and #2 were never, and could not ever, be used as execution gas chambers. “

        Comment by Talbot — October 29, 2016 @ 9:12 pm

        • Not even Mattogno takes Leuchters report on Majdanek seriously… and possibly agrees with pressac that at Majdanek “Leuchter’s historical incompetence becomes perfectly clear.”

          To quote page 154:

          “Pressac’s criticism is thoroughly justified….According to Leuchter, Chamber III could not even have been used for gassings with carbon monoxide since it would have been necessary “to pump in 4,000 parts per million (the lethal concentration) at a pressure of 2.5 atmospheres. Technically, this is nonsense.”

          And Page 155, over the issue that “things are not complete”

          ” According to Leuchter, Chamber III could not even have been used for gassings with carbon monoxide since it would have been necessary “to pump in 4,000 parts per million (the lethal concentration) at a pressure of 2.5 atmospheres.” Technically, this is nonsense. Elsewhere, contradicting his own statements, Leuchter writes that this same room “is operational for carbon monoxide.” For Chamber I (which he calls #2), Leuchter considers that homicidal gass- ings with carbon monoxide would have been impossible because “the piping is incomplete” and “the vent has never been opened in the roof. The first argument is unclear, and the second is unfounded since the current roof was built after the end of the war. ”

          So thanks for proving you cannot look into things yourself.

          Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 9:59 am

          • Den – why do you think I care about arguments between Leuchter, Mattogno, and Pressac? You obviously do – and you sound quite agitated about it all.

            But what concerns me, is why these arguments exist at all after 70 years !

            I think it is absolutely disgraceful that between them, the Polish authorities; the custodians of Majdanek; and the holocaust proponents – led by Yad Vashem and the USHMM – have not investigated the camp properly and found out precisely what happened there, how it happened, and the numbers who died there during its existence.

            This should have been done decades ago.

            Comment by Talbot — October 30, 2016 @ 10:40 am

            • “Den – why do you think I care about arguments between Leuchter, Mattogno, and Pressac? ”

              Lol Its not an argument, its Mattogno saying Pressac is correct in saying Leuchter doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about. Not to mention the internal contradiction to leuchters claim about majdanek.

              “ou obviously do – and you sound quite agitated about it all. ”

              How does text make a sound Tal? It doesn’t.

              “But what concerns me, is why these arguments exist at all after 70 years !”

              They don’t exist outside the fringe such as people like Leuchter. Its not even an argument… Its simply just saying that Leuchter is wrong.

              “I think it is absolutely disgraceful that between them, the Polish authorities; the custodians of Majdanek; and the holocaust proponents – led by Yad Vashem and the USHMM – have not investigated the camp properly and found out precisely what happened there, how it happened, and the numbers who died there during its existence.”

              You haven’t shown that they were wrong. By the time that Mattogno and Graf wrote their report as well the number of homicidal gas chambers at majdanek had been reduced to 4. Its hard to be sure, but as I have said to you before revision is a slow process… And it doesn’t happen right away. But revision isn’t demanding that every body be shown to conclude a death toll… That like demanding every musket used in napoleons march into russia. You won’t find them all. Its also hard considering some records for example from the Düsseldorf spell out some chambers being used for Zyklon gassings but other sources could tell us otherwise.

              Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 10:53 am

    • Only one chamber was used for Zyklon gassings… Of two chambers both equipped for CO gassings only 1 could use Zyklon.

      Jim still need to account that humans have natural heat, and that clothing doesn’t. To kill these people most likely one can was used, though size at Majdanek is hard to tell. Not every can is uniform.

      “2. Effects on Humans: Hydrogen cyanide can cause rapid death due to metabolic asphyxiation. Death can occur within seconds or minutes of the inhalation of high concentrations of hydrogen cyanide gas. A recent study reports an estimated LC(50) in humans of 3,404 ppm for a 1-minute exposure; other sources report that 270 ppm is fatal after 6 to 8 minutes, 181 ppm after 10 minutes and 135 ppm after 30 minutes [Hathaway et al. 1991].”

      Jim as well never accounts that it doesn’t take a large amount of Cyanide to kill people ether. So we are possibly looking at a time period similar to what Hoess has estimated, and not the gassing period provided by Marszalek.

      Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

      • DH…..yup, six million Jews killed with bug spray.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

        • No one claims 6 million people were killed with Zyklon-B… Good job you again prove yourself a damned idiot considering this same blog post from FG states CO was used as well. This also ignores the shootings on the eastern front.

          Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

          • Here we go with the shootings on the Eastern front where are the bodies, where were they buried, where are the bullet holes in their heads again more nonsense. They shot them buried them dug them up, later burned them to ashes, spread the ashes so no one could find them seems like the scenario for all the camps no traces of anything I guess there was a lot of burning going on.
            Maybe you can show us on the camp Maps where all this wood was kept, are you going to take us up on that one. You need about four or five hundred pounds or wood per body you do know that, that would have to be stored somewhere you do know that. If you want to believe stupid things fine, we’re not going to go along with your nonsense.
            All this burning going on without any wood stored anywhere, yep that makes sense maybe to you not to us. Yup, that’s your HoloHoax story.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — October 29, 2016 @ 6:16 pm

            • “Here we go with the shootings on the Eastern front where are the bodies”

              Here we go again, Jim acting like an expert.

              Comment by Denying-History — October 29, 2016 @ 8:00 pm

              • The video above claims that over one and a half million Jews were executed by the Nazis in the Ukraine alone.

                But before we can accept this high total, several questions need to be asked; Has that figure been verified at any stage? Did the Soviets release the last Ukrainian census details that were counted before the war to prove that this number even existed? Did the Soviets then count the number of Jews who remained alive after the war, plus those Jews who returned to their homes in the Ukraine after being evacuated or deported to other regions of the Soviet union?

                Do we have full details of where all these Jews were executed, and the exact locations where their remains lie buried today. Has forensic and archaeological work be done at each and every one of the massacre sites – or is any information available just based on hearsay and verbal assertions.

                Next, we have to ask what was the size of the manpower and logistics that the Germans allocated to carry out this enormous undertaking. Such a monumental task would need far more resources than three or four small Einzatsgruppen units. In fact, several entire divisions of soldiers and security police would be needed to carry out a program of this size – especially across a vast territory that was infested and fought over by partisan fighters and bandits.

                The video just refers to a mass grave in the village of Busk, and nowhere else in the Ukraine – but interestingly, there was no attempt to show us precisely where this mass grave was located. Thus, we cannot go to Google Earth and zoom in upon the area in which the grave was uncovered.

                The video claims that 1,700 skeletons were unearthed – most of whom had a single shot to the back of the head ( a favourite method of execution by the NKVD incidentally ). So how can anyone be absolutely certain that these humains were; A) Jewish, and B) that they were massacred by the Nazis as opposed to the Soviets?

                The photo image of the skeleton that was alleged to have been buried alive looks terribly staged: it has been propped up on a rock in an area of the pit that has been cleared of all the other remains. And the narrator then told us that due to “religious sensibilities” the human remains lying underneath the top layer were not investigated. That doesn’t make much sense – they were quite prepared to open up a burial site and disturb the top layer of remains, but were prevented from finding out the exact number of bodies that lay within the entire mass grave !

                Comment by Talbot — October 30, 2016 @ 9:58 am

                • “The video above claims that over one and a half million Jews were executed by the Nazis in the Ukraine alone. ”

                  This number is disputed, and it’s not that which matters… Its the graves.

                  “A) Jewish, and B) that they were massacred by the Nazis as opposed to the Soviets?”

                  Its obviously not NKVD shootings… German rifle cartridges were found. Not Geko bullets.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 10:04 am

                • Here we go again – “the numbers are in dispute”. That’s all you holocausters ever say; except for your precious 6 million of course – or is that in dispute nowadays?

                  Comment by Talbot — October 30, 2016 @ 10:46 am

                • Here we go again… 6 million is a generalization… Most scholars place the number between 5.2 to 6.2 million. Hilburg placed his number at 5.1 million. The numbers for the Einzatgrouppen range between 1.5 to +2 million. Of which around 1.2 to 1.4 million. Some research on the part of Father Patrick Debois in the Ukraine suggests that the numbers might be higher.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

                • DH way under a million Jews were killed either by sickness or disease or executed for being traitorous and enemies of the Reich, there’s no way you can prove to me that that many died especially the ones you say were killed with bug spray. Too many survived.
                  Keep dreaming….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

                • No one claims that 6 million Jews were killed with Zyklon-B.

                  And Jim please enlighten us on how meny survived.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 1:14 pm

  4. In The Black Swan, Nassim Nicholas Taleb (a known Holocaust denier) writes that, for any given known set of resultant circumstances, it is possible to deduce an infinite range of possible causes leading thereto, each of which (causes) accords perfectly with the known resultant circumstances.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — October 29, 2016 @ 3:55 pm

    • You wrote: “In The Black Swan, Nassim Nicholas Taleb (a known Holocaust denier)”

      How does a “known Holocaust denier” get by with writing books? Why hasn’t he been arrested and put on trial?

      Comment by furtherglory — October 29, 2016 @ 4:51 pm


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