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October 30, 2016

everything you ever wanted to know about the Treblinka death camp

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The combined total of Jewish deaths at the Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor camps was 1.5 million, according to Raul Hilberg, a famous Jewish author.

Raul Hilberg stated in his three-volume book, entitled “The Destruction of the European Jews,” that there were six Nazi extermination centers, including Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno, Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau, all of which are located in what is now Poland.

Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau also functioned as Zwangsarbeitslager (forced labor camps), and were still operational shortly before being liberated by the Soviet Union, towards the end of the war in 1944 and early 1945.

The camps at Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Chelmno had already been liquidated by the Germans before the Soviet soldiers arrived and, sadly, there was no remaining evidence of the extermination of millions of Jews.

In June 1941, a forced labor camp for Jews and Polish political prisoners had been set up near a gravel pit, a mile from where the Treblinka death camp would later be located.

The labor camp became known as Treblinka I and the death camp, which opened in July 1942, was called Treblinka II or T-II.

The following quote, regarding the Treblinka I camp, is from Martin Gilbert’s book entitled “The Holocaust”:

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The Jewish and Polish prisoners living there (Treblinka) were employed loading slag, cleaning drains and leveling the ground in and around the engine shed at Malkinia Junction, on the main Warsaw-Bialystok line. Later they were put to work repairing and strengthening the embankment along the Bug river. The staff of the camp consisted of 20 SS men and 20 Ukrainians. The commandant was Captain Theo von Euppen.

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On January 20, 1942 at Wannsee, a suburb of Berlin, a conference was held to plan “The Final Solution to the Jewish Question” for Europe’s 11 million Jews. SS General Reinhard Heydrich, who was the head of RSHA (Reich Security Main Office) as well as the Deputy of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (now the Czech Republic) led the conference.

The protocols from the conference, as written by Adolf Eichmann, contained the expression “transportation to the East,” a euphemism that was claimed to mean the genocidal killing of all the Jews in Europe.

On May 27, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich was fatally wounded by two Czech resistance fighters who had parachuted into German-occupied Bohemia from Great Britain where they had been trained.

Even before Heydrich died, 8 days later, Odilo Globocnik began preparations for Aktion Reinhard, which was the plan to send Jews to their deaths at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor, according to Martin Gilbert’s book “The Holocaust.”

A fourth extermination camp had already opened at Chelmno in what is now western Poland, and the first Jews were gassed in mobile vans on December 8, 1941, according to the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland.

There were no “selections” made at the three Operation Reinhard camps, nor at the Chelmno camp.

All the Jews who were sent to these camps, with the exception of a few who escaped, were immediately killed in gas chambers, but strangely, there were no records kept of their deaths.

Treblinka and the other two Operation Reinhard camps, Sobibor and Belzec, were all located near the Bug river which formed the eastern border of German-occupied Poland.

The Bug river is very shallow at Treblinka; it is what people from Missouri would call a “crick” or creek, compared to the Missouri and the Mississippi rivers. It is shallow enough to wade across in the Summer time, or to walk across when it is frozen in the Winter.

The territory on the other side of the Bug river was White Russia (Belarus) and the section of Poland that was given to the Soviet Union after the joint conquest of Poland by the Germans and the Soviet Union in September 1939.

This part of Poland had formerly been occupied by the Russians between 1772 and 1917.

Between 1835 and 1917, this area was included in the Pale of Settlement, a huge reservation where the Eastern European Jews were forced to live.

The tiny village of Treblinka is located on the railroad line running from Ostrów Mazowiecki to Siedlce. A short distance from Treblinka, at Malkinia Junction, this line intersects the major railway line which runs from Warsaw, east to Bialystok.

Trains can reverse directions at the Junction and return to Warsaw, or turn south towards Lublin, which was the headquarters for Operation Reinhard. A few Jews from Warsaw were sent to the Majdanek death camp in Lublin on trains that turned south at the Malkinia Junction.

When railroad lines were built in the 19th century, the width of the tracks was standardized in America and western Europe, but the tracks in Russia and eastern Poland were a different gauge. Bialystok is the end of the line in Poland; this is as far east as trains can go without changing the wheels on the rail cars. Treblinka is located only a short distance west of Bialystok.

In June 1941, the German Army invaded the Soviet Union and “liberated” the area formerly known as the Pale of Settlement. By the time that the Aktion Reinhard camps were set up in 1942, German troops had advanced a thousand kilometers into Russia. The plan was to transport the Jews as far as the Bug river and kill them in gas chambers, then claim that they had been “transported to the East.”

In 1942, the Germans built a new railroad spur line from the Malkinia Junction into the Treblinka extermination camp. When a train, 60 cars long, arrived at the junction, the cars were uncoupled and 20 cars at a time were backed into the camp.

Today, a stone sculpture shows the location of the train tracks that brought the Jews into the Treblinka death camp.

The first Jews to be deported to the Treblinka death camp were from the Warsaw ghetto; the first transport of 6,000 Jews arrived at Treblinka at about 9:30 on 23 July 1942. Between late July and September 1942, the Germans transported more than 300,000 Jews from the Warsaw ghetto to Treblinka, according to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Jews were also deported to Treblinka from Lublin and Bialystok, two major cities in eastern Poland, which were then in the General Government, as German-occupied Poland was called.

Others were transported to Treblinka from the Theresienstadt ghetto in what is now the Czech Republic.

Approximately 2,000 Gypsies were also sent to Treblinka and allegedly murdered in the gas chambers there.

Trains continued to arrive regularly at Treblinka until May 1943, and a few more transports arrived after that date.

On October 19, 1943, Odilo Globocnik wrote the following to Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler: “I have completed Aktion Reinhard and have dissolved all the camps.”

In an article published on August 8, 1943, the New York Times referred to a headline in a London newspaper which read: “2,000,000 Murders by Nazis Charged. Polish Paper in London says Jews Are Exterminated in Treblinka Death House.”

The subtitle read : “According to report, steam is used to kill men, women and children at a place in the woods.” The London newspaper story was based upon an article published on August 7th in the magazine Polish Labor Fights, which contained information from a Polish report on November 15, 1942.

More news about the killing of the Jews at the Treblinka camp came from Vasily Grossman, a Jewish war correspondent who was traveling with the Soviet Red Army. In November 1944, Grossman published an article entitled “The Hell of Treblinka,” which was later quoted at the trial of the major German war criminals at Nuremberg.

Grossman had interviewed 40 survivors of the Treblinka uprising and he had talked to some of the local farmers. The camp had been completely razed to the ground; there was nothing left for Grossman to see: “only graves and death.” The Jews had all been killed, according to Grossman.

Proof that Treblinka was an extermination camp is contained in a 16-page secret document, that was submitted by Nazi statistician Dr. Richard Korherr to Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler on March 27, 1943.

Reichsführer-SS Himmler was a five-star general and the leader of the SS; he was responsible for all the Nazi concentration camps, which were administered by the SS.

This report on “The Final Solution of the European Jewish Problem,” compiled at Himmler’s request, stated that of the 1,449,692 Jews deported from the Eastern provinces, 1,274,366 had been subjected to Sonderbehandlung at camps in the General Government.

On April 1, 1943, Himmler had the report prepared for submission to Hitler; the words “Sonderbehandlung at Camps in the General Government” were changed to “Transport of Jews from the Eastern Provinces to the Russian East, Processed through the Camps in the General Government.”

The term Sonderbehandlung, sometimes abbreviated SB, was allegedly used by the Nazis to mean death in the gas chamber; the English translation is “special treatment.”

The terms “evacuation” and “transportation to the East” were Nazi code words for sending the Jews to death camps where they were murdered in the gas chambers. The words “resettled” and “liquidated,” when used to refer to the Jews, were also euphemisms which meant killed in the gas chambers.

The term “die Endlösung der Judenfrage” was first written by Hermann Goering in a letter to Reinhard Heydrich on July 31, 1941. Translated into English as “The Final Solution to the Jewish Question,” this is as a euphemism which was used by the Nazis to mean the genocide of the Jews in Europe. However, at the Nuremberg IMT, Goering testified that the term meant the “Total solution to the Jewish question” which was a euphemism for the evacuation of the Jews to the East.

The Nazis referred to Treblinka as a Durchgangslager (transit camp), not a death camp.

Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler was responsible for completing, by March 1943, the resettlement of 629,000 ethnic Germans from the Baltic countries into the Polish territory that was incorporated into the Greater German Reich in October 1939. He was also responsible for deporting 365,000 Poles, from the part of Poland that was incorporated into the Greater German Reich, to occupied Poland, and for deporting 295,000 citizens from Luxembourg and the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine, which were also incorporated into the Greater German Reich.

All this had been accomplished by Himmler by March 1943 when Dr. Korherr, who was Himmler’s chief statistician, made his report on what had happened to the Jews who were living in Eastern Poland.

In 2000, a document called the Höfle Telegram was discovered by Holocaust historians in the Public Records Office in Kew, England. This document consists of two intercepted encoded messages, both of which were sent from Lublin on January 11, 1943 by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle, and marked “state secret.”

One message was sent to Adolf Eichmann in the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) in Berlin and the other to SS-Oberststurmbannführer Franz Heim, deputy commander of the Security Police (SIPO) at the headquarters of German-occupied Poland in Krakow.

The encoded messages gave the number of arrivals at the Operation Reinhard camps during the previous two weeks and the following totals for Jews sent to the Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Lublin (Majdanek) camps in 1942:

Treblinka, 71,355; Belzec, 434,500; Sobibor, 101,370; and Majdanek, 24,733.

The number for Treblinka, 71,355, was a typographical error; the correct number should be 713,555, based on the total given.

The total “arrivals” for the four camps matches the total of 1,274,166 “evacuated” Jews in the Korherr Report.

Besides the freight trains that carried the Jews in box cars to Treblinka, there were also passenger trains with 3,000 people on board each train, as well as trucks and horse-drawn wagons that brought the victims to Treblinka.

Samuel Rajzman, one of the few survivors of Treblinka, testified at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal that “Between July and December 1942, an average of 3 transports of 60 cars each arrived every day. In 1943 the transports arrived more rarely.” Rajzman stated that “On an average, I believe they killed in Treblinka from ten to twelve thousand persons daily.”

The following testimony was given by Samuel Rajzman at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal:

“Transports arrived there every day; their number depended on the number of trains arriving; sometimes three, four, or five trains filled exclusively with Jews — from Czechoslovakia, Germany, Greece, and Poland. Immediately after their arrival, the people had to leave the trains in 5 minutes and line up on the platform. All those who were driven from the cars were divided into groups — men, children, and women, all separate. They were all forced to strip immediately, and this procedure continued under the lashes of the German guards’ whips. Workers who were employed in this operation immediately picked up all the clothes and carried them away to barracks. Then the people were obliged to walk naked through the street to the gas chambers.”

At the camp, a storehouse was “disguised as a train station,” according to a pamphlet which I purchased at the Visitor’s Center in 1998. The fake station was designed to fool the Jews into thinking that they had arrived at a transit camp, from where they were going to be “transported to the East.”

Regarding the fake train station, Samuel Rajzman testified as follows at the Nuremberg IMT:

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At first there were no signboards whatsoever at the station, but a few months later the commander of the camp, one Kurt Franz, built a first-class railroad station with signboards. The barracks where the clothing was stored had signs reading “restaurant,” “ticket office,” “telegraph,” “telephone,” and so forth. There were even train schedules for the departure and the arrival of trains to and from Grodno, Suwalki, Vienna, and Berlin.

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According to Rajzman’s testimony at Nuremberg, “When Treblinka became very well known, they hung up a huge sign with the inscription Obermaidanek.”

Maidanek was the German name for Majdanek; it was a death camp on the outskirts of Lublin, the headquarters of the Operation Reinhard camps.

Rajzman explained that “the persons who arrived in transports soon found out that it was not a fashionable station, but that it was a place of death” and for this reason, the sign was intended to calm the victims.

In spite of all this effort to reassure the victims, the SS soldiers at Treblinka were allegedly allowed to grab babies from the arms of their mothers and bash their heads in.

The first person to be tried for war crimes committed at Treblinka was Josef Hirtreiter, who was put on trial in a German court in Frankfort am Main, and sentenced on March 3, 1951 to life in prison.

Based on the testimony of survivors, Hirtreiter was found guilty of killing young children at Treblinka, during the unloading of the trains, by holding them by the feet and smashing their heads against the boxcars.

The pamphlet from the Visitor’s Center says that “In a relatively short time of its existence the camp took a total of over 800,000 victims of Jews from Poland, Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, France, Greece, Jugoslavia, Germany and the Soviet Union.”

Raul Hilberg puts the number of deaths at Treblinka at a minimum of 750,000. Other sources say that the total number of deaths was 870,000. Although the Nazis kept detailed records of everything, they did not record the number of deaths by gassing.

The following quote is from the same pamphlet:

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The extermination camp in Treblinka was built in the middle of 1942 near the already existing labour camp. It was surrounded by fence and rows of barbed wire along which there were watchtowers with machine guns every ten metres. The main part of the camp constituted two buildings in which there were 13 gas chambers altogether. Two thousand people could be put to death at a time in them. Death by suffocation with fumes came after 10 – 15 minutes. First the bodies of the victims were buried, later were cremated on big grates out of doors. The ashes were mixed witch (sic) sand and buried in one spot.

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Martin Gilbert wrote in his book entitled “Holocaust Journey” that the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. Many writers say that these diesel engines were obtained from captured Russian submarines, but according to the Nizkor Project, they were large 500 BHP engines from captured Soviet T-34 tanks.

However, at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal proceedings against the major Nazi war criminals, which began in November 1945, the Nazis were charged by the Soviet Union with murdering Jews at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers. Steam chambers were used at both Auschwitz and Theresienstadt for disinfecting the clothing of the prisoners.

The pamphlet continues with this information:

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Killing took place with great speed. The whole process of killing the people, starting from thier (sic) arrival at the camp railroad till removing the corpses from the gas chambers, lasted about 2 hours.

Treblinka was known among the Nazis as an example of good organization of a death camp. It was a real extermination centre.

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The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum has the following information about Treblinka:

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The camp was laid out in a trapezoid of 1,312 by 1,968 feet. Branches woven into the barbed-wire fence and trees planted around the perimeter served as camouflage, blocking any view into the camp from the outside. Watchtowers 26 feet high were placed along the fence and at each of the four corners.

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The camp was divided into sections with one area reserved for the living quarters of the administrators of the camp and the Ukrainian guards; another section at the south end of the camp was for the 1,000 Jewish workers who sorted the clothing and removed the bodies from the gas chambers. Another section, where the gassing operation took place, was fenced off from the reception area and the living area. The victims went through a tube, which was a fenced-in and camouflaged path that led from the reception area, where they had to undress, to the gas chamber. The victims had to run naked through the tube to a building with a deceptive sign that indicated that this was a shower room.

Samuel Rajzman testified at the Nuremberg IMT that the Nazis had nicknamed the path to the gas chamber “Himmelfahrtstrasse,” which means Street to Heaven. In his testimony, Rajzman stated that there were originally 3 gas chambers at Treblinka, but later 10 more were built and there were plans to increase the number of Treblinka gas chambers to 25.

On August 23, 1942, fifty-two-year-old Jankiel Wiernik (Yankel Vernik) was among several thousand Jews transported from the Warsaw ghetto to Treblinka. Wiernik, who was born in 1891 and lived in Czestochowa, Poland, survived and after the war, he wrote a book entitled “A Year In Treblinka.”

Despite his age, Wiernik had been assigned to the work squad, composed mainly of young men, which had to carry the bodies to the mass graves that had been made by “an excavator which dug out the ditches.” According to Wiernik, “The dimensions of each ditch was 50 by 25 by 10 metres.”

Wiernik wrote that there was originally one gas chamber building which had 6 small rooms, three on each side of a narrow hallway. This was a rectangular building located at the end of the tube; the door into the building faced north. Today, a large monument stands in the spot where this building was located.

According to Wiernik, the engine room was at the south end of the hallway; carbon monoxide was pumped from diesel engines into the gas chambers.

After the gassing, the bodies were removed through six outside doors on the east side which opened upward like a garage door. The bodies were first buried in pits, then later dug up and burned on two pyres located just east of the gas chamber building.

The first Commandant of the Treblinka II death camp was SS-Obersturmführer Irmfried Eberl, who held this position from July 1942 to September 1942. He was succeeded by SS-Obersturmführer Franz Stangl, who served as the Commandant from September 1942 to August 1943.

Prior to his service at Treblinka II, Stangl had been the commander of the Sobibor death camp and before that, he was on the staff at Schloss Hartheim, where mentally and physically disabled Germans were sent to be gassed.

The 3rd and last Commandant of Treblinka II was SS-Untersturmführer Kurt Franz who was the commander from August 1943 until October 3, 1943. Franz was a handsome man who was nicknamed “Lalka” by the prisoners. Lalka is the Polish word for doll. The German word for little doll is Puppi, a common term of affection for little girls, but for a man, this nickname was a term of derision.

Kurt Franz was nicknamed “Doll” by the prisoners.

On September 3, 1965 Kurt Franz was convicted by the German Court of Assizes in Düsseldorf, Germany in the First Treblinka Trial, along with 9 other SS officers who had worked at Treblinka II.

The killing of Jews at Treblinka had not bothered Kurt Franz in the least; the photograph album, that he complied while working in the camp as the deputy of Franz Stangl, and later as the Commandant, was entitled “Schöne Zeiten” which means Good Times.

Kurt Franz was sentenced to life in prison. His conviction was based on the finding of the court that “At least 700,000 persons, predominantly Jews, but also a number of Gypsies, were killed at the Treblinka extermination camp.”

This finding by the court was based on the expert opinion submitted to the Court of Assizes by Dr. Helmut Kraunsnick, director of the Institute for Contemporary History (Institute fur Zeitgeschichte) in Munich, who referred to the following documents during his testimony:

(1) The Stroop report, a book by SS Brigadeführer Jürgen Stroop, which contained photographs and daily reports of the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto in April 1943. The Stroop report mentioned that approximately 310,000 Jews had been transported in trains from the Warsaw Ghetto to Treblinka during the period from July 22, 1942 to October 3, 1942. After the Warsaw ghetto uprising, the Jews who survived were transported to Treblinka.

(2) The testimony at the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg.

(3) The official records of train schedules, telegrams, and train inventories pertaining to the transports of Jews and Gypsies to Treblinka.

Franz Stangl was imprisoned by the Allies after the war, but was released two years later without ever having been put on trial. Following his release, he went to Italy where he was helped by the Vatican to escape to Syria, where he lived with his family for three years. In 1951, he moved to Brazil where he lived openly, using his real name.

Stangl was a native of Austria, but for years the Austrian authorities declined to bring him to justice for the murder of thousands of Jews at Treblinka. Finally in 1961, a warrant for his arrest was issued, but it was not until six years later that he was captured in Brazil by the famous Nazi hunter, Simon Wiesenthal; he had been working at a Volkswagen factory in Sao Paulo, still using his own name.

In 1969, Dr. Wolfgang Scheffler submitted an expert opinion, based on more recent research, that the total number of persons killed at Treblinka was 900,000.

Franz Stangl was finally put on trial in the Second Treblinka Trial by the court of Assizes at Düsseldorf on October 22, 1970, charged with the deaths of 900,000 people at Treblinka. Stangl confessed to the murders, but in his defense, he said, “My conscience is clear. I was simply doing my duty …”

After his six-month trial in the German court, Stangl was found guilty on December 22, 1970 and sentenced to life in prison in January 1971; he died in prison at Düsseldorf on June 28, 1971.

Aerial photos taken by the Soviet Union while the camp was in operation show that there were Polish farms adjacent to the camp and that the area of the camp was devoid of trees. Today, the area of the Treblinka Memorial site is completely surrounded by a forest and the section of the camp where the guards once lived is now covered by trees.

Like the Buchenwald concentration camp, the Treblinka II camp had a zoo, which was built by Commandant Franz Stangl for the amusement of the SS staff and some of the privileged prisoners, called Kapos, who assisted the Germans in the camp. Treblinka also had a camp orchestra and a brothel for the SS staff.

According to Jean Francois Steiner, who wrote a book called “Treblinka,” the privileged prisoners in the camp had “a great life.” They were allowed to marry in the camp, and Kurt Franz conducted the wedding ceremonies. After one of the wedding celebrations, the prisoners got the idea of “a kind of cabaret,” where there was music, dancing and drinking on the Summer nights.

The following quote is from Steiner’s book:

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When Lalka heard about what was going on, far from forbidding it, he provided the drinks himself and encouraged the SS men to go there. The first contact lacked warmth, but the S.S. men knew how to make people forget who they were, and soon their presence was ignored. In addition to the dancing, there were night-club acts. The ice was broken between the Jews and the S.S. This did not prevent the S.S. from killing the Jews during the day, but the prospect of having to part company soon mellowed them a little.

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The high point of these festivities was unquestionably Arthur Gold’s birthday. An immense buffet was laid out in the tailor shop, which the S.S. officers decorated themselves. Hand written invitations were sent to every member of the camp aristocracy. It was to be the great social event of the season and everyone was eager to wear his finest clothes. […] The women had done each other’s hair and had put on the finest dresses in the store, simple for the girls and decollete for the women. […] Arthur Gold outdid himself in the toasts that preceded the festivities. He insisted on thanking the Germans for the way they treated the Jews.

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One evening a Ukrainian brought an accordion and the others began to dance. The scene attracted some Jews, who with the onset of Summer, were more and more uncomfortable in their “cabaret.” The nights were soft and starry, and if it were not for the perpetual fire which suffused the sky with its long flames, you would have thought that you were on the square of some Ukrainian village on Midsummer Eve. Everything was there: the campfire, the dancing, the multicolored skirts and the freshness of the night. Friendships sprang up. Just because men were going to kill each tomorrow was no reason to sulk.

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On August 2, 1943, the Jewish prisoners who worked at Treblinka staged an uprising after they had managed to steal weapons stored at the camp. The prisoners sprayed kerosene on the camp buildings and set them on fire. Jankiel Wiernik survived the uprising, although he was shot by one of the guards. According to Jean Francois Steiner, the Treblinka guard known as Ivan the Terrible was killed during the uprising.

In 1986, John Demjanjuk, an American citizen, was extradited from the United States to Israel, where he was put on trial, convicted and sentenced to death in 1988.

At the trial, five survivors identified him from a photograph as “Ivan the Terrible,” a guard at the Treblinka extermination camp who was famous for his brutality. His conviction was overturned when it was learned that the real Ivan the Terrible was probably a man named Ivan Marchenko, who had been killed with a shovel during the prisoner revolt at Treblinka in 1943, just as Jean Francois Steiner wrote in his book.

The following quote is from a book written by Jean Francois Steiner, entitled “Treblinka”:

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All the members of the Committee and most of those who played a role in the uprising of the camp died in the revolt. Of the thousand prisoners who were in the camp at the time, about six hundred managed to get out and to reach the nearby forests without being recaptured.

Of these six hundred escapees, there remained, on the arrival of the Red Army a year later, only forty survivors. The others had been killed in the course of that year by Polish peasants, partisans of the Armia Krajowa, Ukrainian fascist bands, deserters from the Wehrmacht, the Gestapo and special units of the German army.

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One of the 40 prisoners who escaped from Treblinka, and lived to tell about it, was Abraham Bomba, a Jew who was born in 1913 in Germany, but raised in Czestochowa, Poland.

Bomba was one of the 1,000 Jews who lived in the barracks in a separate section of the Treblinka II camp and worked for the Germans who ran the death camp. Bomba was a barber and his job was cutting the hair of the victims inside the gas chamber, just before they were gassed. In 1990, he told about his experience in the camp in a video-taped interview for the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The quote below is from the transcript of his interview:

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“And now I want to tell you, I want to tell you about the thing…the gas chamber. It was, they ask me already about this thing. The gas chamber, how it looked. Very simple. Was all concrete. There was no window. There was nothing in it. Beside, on top of you, there was wires, and it looked like, you know, the water going to come out from it. Had two doors. Steel doors. From one side and from the other side. The people went in to the gas chamber from the one side. Like myself, I was in it, doing the job as a barber. When it was full the gas chamber–the size of it was…I would say 18 by 18, or 18 by 17, I didn’t measure that time, just a look like I would say I look here the room around, I wouldn’t say exactly how big it is. And they pushed in as many as they could. It was not allowed to have the people standing up with their hands down because there is not enough room, but when people raised their hand like that there was more room to each other. And on top of that they throw in kids, 2, 3, 4 years old kids, on top of them. And we came out. The whole thing it took I would say between five and seven minute. The door opened up, not from the side they went in but the side from the other side and from the other side the…the group…people working in Treblinka number 2, which their job was only about dead people. They took out the corpses. Some of them dead and some of them still alive. They dragged them to the ditches, and over there they covered them. Big ditches, and they covered them. That was the beginning of Treblinka.

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After each gassing, the Jewish workers at Treblinka had to clean up in preparation for the next batch of victims, according to Abraham Bomba. The clothing that had been taken off by the victims had to be removed and put into piles for sorting before being sent on the next empty transport train to Lublin.

Everything was done with great efficiency in this assembly-line murder camp, and nothing was wasted. All of the clothes and valuables, taken from the Jews when they arrived at Treblinka, were sent to the Majdanek camp in a suburb of Lublin where everything was disinfected before being sent to Germany and given to civilians.

In his 1990 interview at the USHMM, Bomba described what happened next. Below is a quote from the transcript of his interview:

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People went in through the gate. Now we know what the gate was, it was the way to the gas chamber and we have never see them again. That was the first hour we came in. After that, we, the people, 18 or 16 people…more people came in from the…working people, they worked already before, in the gas chamber, we had a order to clean up the place. Clean up the place–is not something you can take and clean. It was horrible. But in five, ten minutes this place had to look spotless. And it looked spotless. Like there was never nobody on the place, so the next transport when it comes in, they shouldn’t see what’s going on. We were cleaning up in the outside. Tell you what mean cleaning up: taking away all the clothes, to those places where the clothes were. Now, not only the clothes, all the papers, all the money, all the, the…whatever somebody had with him. And they had a lot of things with them. Pots and pans they had with them. Other things they had with them. We cleaned that up.

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After a visit to Treblinka in February 1943, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler ordered that all the evidence of the killing of the Jews had to be destroyed. Beginning in March 1943, the bodies of approximately 750,000 victims were exhumed and burned on pyres; the ashes were then buried in the original pits, according to Raul Hilberg. Today, a symbolic cemetery is located where some of the ashes were buried. By May 1943, the daily transports had stopped and the Treblinka camp was getting ready to close.

During his trial, the last Commandant, Kurt Franz, testified that “After the uprising in August 1943, I ran the camp single-handedly for a month; however, during that period no gassing was undertaken. It was during that period that the original camp was leveled off and lupines were planted.”

There were neither factories nor living quarters for the 713,555 Jews who arrived at the fake transit station at the Treblinka death camp in 1942.

The terms “arrivals” and “evacuated” were allegedly Nazi code words for extermination; the Jews who were sent to Treblinka and the other Operation Reinhard camps were allegedly immediately gassed, only hours after their arrival.

55 Comments »

  1. Gerstein report info
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p115_Hall.html

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — November 5, 2016 @ 8:37 am

  2. Jim Rizoli:

    “Even the best and most technical crematoriums today can’t cremate a body in less than 1 hr….”

    Like I’ve said, it’s like arguing with a potted plant.

    Comment by brycesdaddy1105 — October 31, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

    • More of the TRUTH….

      Treblinka conclusion
      In 1987, Robert Faurisson wrote the following noteworthy lines:931
      “‘Shoah’-business will continue to prosper. The Holocaust Museums
      are going to multiply and Holocaust propaganda will continue to invade
      the high schools and universities. The concentration camps will become at-
      tractions comparable to Disneyland. […] Tour operators are beginning to
      calculate the profit they can derive from these places, at which there is in
      reality nothing to see but where, as a result, they will fill the void with
      ‘symbols.’ The less there is to see with your eyes, the more they will give
      you to see in your imagination. From that point of view, Treblinka is an
      ideal place. Everything there is symbolic: the entrance to the camp, its
      boundaries, the railway line, the access ramp, the path to the ‘gas cham-
      bers,’ the ‘open air funeral pyres,’ and the sites of the ‘chambers’ and ‘fu-
      neral pyres.’”
      Yes, Treblinka is, in fact, the most fitting landmark of the ‘Holocaust,’ a
      mirage of a million-fold genocide in gas chambers, of which not the slightest
      documentary or material trace exists and about which we would know nothing
      without the tales of a handful of ‘eyewitnesses’ – in sharp contrast to the real, irrefutable suffering of the Jewish people during the Second World War.
      It is deeply symbolic that the most important Treblinka ‘eyewitness’ by far,
      Jankiel Wiernik, and the most prominent representative of all of the orthodox
      historiography about that camp, Yitzhak Arad, are blatant falsifiers. By means
      of a bold manipulation of the November 15, 1942, report produced by the re-
      sistance movement of the Warsaw Ghetto, in 1944 Wiernik converted the embarrassing ‘steam chambers,’ which characterize the first phase of the Treb-
      linka atrocity propaganda, into ‘gas chambers,’ and thereby laid the corner-
      stone for the legend of the ‘gas chambers of Treblinka,’ which were subse-
      quently transmogrified by orthodox historiography into ‘established historical
      fact.’ But compared to this harsh judgment on the Jewish cabinetmaker from
      the Warsaw Ghetto, we must come to an even harsher judgment on the Israeli
      Professor Arad, who is guilty of the gravest of all offenses against the com-
      mandments of scientific ethics: the conscious falsification of source material.
      That Jewish circles, above all others, defend the historically and techni-
      cally absurd story of ‘extermination camp’ Treblinka with tooth and claw can
      be explained without difficulty by the pressures, to which these people are
      subjected.
      From the beginning of the ‘Holocaust’ propaganda, Auschwitz has had first
      rank and Treblinka second; there has always been far less discussion of the
      other four ‘extermination camps.’ Since the end of the sixties, the flagship of
      the Holocaust Armada, Auschwitz, has been under an uninterrupted barrage
      from revisionist researchers. Due to this pressure – invisible to the public but
      enormous – the advocates of the orthodox version of history have been constrained to keep reducing the number of victims of this camp. In 1990, the
      administration of the Auschwitz Museum withdrew the four million figure of
      Auschwitz victims – which had in any case never been accepted by Western
      historians – and replaced it with one and a half million; in 1994, Jean-Claude
      Pressac, celebrated by the media as the leading Auschwitz expert, again re-
      duced the number drastically, to between 631,000 and 711,000.932 The latest
      retrenchment of the front in this ongoing retreat came in May of 2002, when
      Fritjof Meyer, one of the editors of Germany’s largest news magazine, Der
      Spiegel, wrote in the geopolitical German magazine Osteuropa, with reference
      to allegedly new research results, that ‘only’ half a million died in Auschwitz,
      which is still an exaggeration by at least a factor of three.
      An even more drastic revision has been achieved for Majdanek: in 1944,
      the figure of one and a half million murdered was given for that camp; in
      1948, Polish historiography set the total number of victims at 360,000; but at
      the beginning of the nineties, the number was reduced to 230,000; Raul
      Hilberg assumes in his standard work that only 50,000 Jewish prisoners were
      killed in Majdanek.
      According to the laws of mathematics and sound human reasoning, this
      massive reduction in the number of victims for Auschwitz and Majdanek
      should have resulted in a corresponding reduction in the total number of
      ‘Holocaust’ victims, but no: the mythical six million figure must be upheld at
      all cost!
      Under these circumstances, the proponents and beneficiaries of the official
      historiography can never give up the ‘extermination camp’ Treblinka, with its
      750,000 to 870,000 people ‘gassed,’ since to do so would amount to a final
      dismantling of the current version of the fate of the Jews during World War II.
      And the other ‘pure extermination camps’– Belec, Sobibór, and Chemno –
      for which the evidentiary material presented is of similar ‘quality,’ would
      have to take their leave from real history together with Treblinka.
      That the official view of Treblinka increases respect for the Jewish people
      can be justly questioned, for one of the cornerstones of this picture is the slav-
      ish cooperation of the victims with their executioners. Does it really do credit
      to Jewish honor if their fathers and grandfathers marched into the gas chambers of Treblinka like a herd of sheep, without giving a thought to escaping or
      resisting? Can one feel respect for the 1,000 Jewish workers of Treblinka, who
      – always according to the orthodox version of history – assisted the 30 to 40
      SS people and 120 Ukrainians day after day in murdering many thousands of
      their co-religionists, never warned them of the fate awaiting them, and acted
      as loyal accomplices to their tormentors to the very end, in full awareness of
      their own impending death?
      The American revisionist Bradley R. Smith has commented upon the ap-
      pearance of the barber Abraham Bomba in Claude Lanzmann’s film Shoah, in
      which Bomba describes how he cut the hair of 60 to 70 naked women in the
      16-square-meter large gas chamber of Treblinka. After Lanzmann had asked
      Bomba what he felt when he saw all these naked women for the first time, the barber replied:
      “I felt that accordingly I got to do what they … [Germans] … told me, to cut
      their hair.”
      Smith says in response to this:
      “There you have in a nutshell how eyewitnesses to the gas chamber
      atrocities typically describe their behavior. They did whatever the Ger-
      mans or anyone else requested of them. […] In the neighborhood where I
      grew up men who behaved like Bomba claims he behaved would have been
      spit on. In the upside-down world of Holocaust survivordom, however, the
      Abraham Bombas are seen as martyrs and even heroes.”
      Historians who are interested in facts will not allow themselves to be de-
      terred from pursuing the many still open questions of Treblinka by Bomba’s
      monstrous fantasies. Above all, it is entirely unclear where the Jews deported
      to Treblinka ultimately wound up. That Treblinka served as a transit camp is
      proven, but for the most part we are still in the dark as to the details (the number of those resettled, their destinations, and their fate during the war and afterwards). In coming years, it is to be hoped that the improving access to archives in the successor states of the Soviet Union will make it possible for re-
      searchers to shed more and more light into this darkness. When we speak of
      researchers, we of course mean the revisionists, for their opponents will hardly
      be doing such work.

      Comment by jrizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 7:36 pm

      • Hey, Jim?
        Why don’t you strain yourself and come up with something original on your own instead of copying and pasting 20 pages of text?

        Just a thought.

        Comment by brycesdaddy1105 — October 31, 2016 @ 7:40 pm

        • I actually can’t say anything better than what has already been printed. I know you Holohuxsters don’t read it anyway because you don’t want to exercise your brain cells enough to learn new things because you’ve been so brainwashed by the other Holohuxsters out there so I put this stuff up already packaged and ready to go…. if you don’t want to read it I really don’t care I know where I stand on it.

          If you want to believe 6 million Jews were killed in homicidal gas Chambers, mass shootings, using bug spray or whatever concoction they used, more power to you and then they were burned on pryes with no wood being shown anywhere, great.
          Just keep it coming it does make for great fiction entertainment.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 8:22 pm

          • Jim as usual pasted someone else’s work because he says ‘I actually can’t say anything better than what has already been printed’

            lol – Jim you don’t want to exercise your brain cells enough to learn new things because you’ve been so brainwashed

            Quote: “That Treblinka served as a transit camp is proven, but for the most part we are still in the dark as to the details (the number of those resettled, their destinations, and their fate during the war and afterwards). In coming years, it is to be hoped that the improving access to archives in the successor states of the Soviet Union will make it possible for re-searchers to shed more and more light into this darkness. When we speak of researchers, we of course mean the revisionists, for their opponents will hardly be doing such work.”

            So where did they all these people being ‘re-settled’ get transited to then Jim? FG?

            The revisionists are in the dark because they are looking for evidence that does not exist and thus will remain in the dark. There is evidence that trains went to Treblinka full of people and returned empty (waybills collected by Franciszek Ząbecki in 1944)

            So riddle me this Jim – where did all these people go?

            Comment by Anonymouse — November 1, 2016 @ 11:58 am

            • You wrote: “So where did they all these people being ‘re-settled’ get transited to then Jim? FG?”

              I wrote about this, at length, on my website:
              http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/introduction.html

              Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

              • My take on Abraham the liar Bomba

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — November 1, 2016 @ 1:00 pm

              • Thanks for the link FG, so you agree FG that they were gassed then and not transited elsewhere?

                Jim, the question was simple, even for you – where did they all these people being ‘re-settled’ get transited to then Jim?

                Jim – Why are you posting videos about Bomba – that was not what I asked – I asked you where all these people went if Treblinka was a transit camp

                Comment by Anonymouse — November 1, 2016 @ 1:27 pm

                • You wrote: “so you agree FG that they were gassed then and not transited elsewhere?”

                  No, definitely not. The prisoners, who were sent to Treblinka, were sent to parts unknown in the East. They were sent into the Soviet Union.

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2016 @ 1:31 pm

                • FG wrote :”No, definitely not. The prisoners, who were sent to Treblinka, were sent to parts unknown in the East. They were sent into the Soviet Union”

                  And they were sent where in the Soviet Union? Where were these unknown parts?

                  Are you proposing that Hitler did a secret deal with Stalin at the height of “the Great Patriotic War” to resettle the Jews in the Soviet Union rather than killing them?

                  Comment by Anonymouse — November 1, 2016 @ 1:49 pm

                • You wrote: “Are you proposing that Hitler did a secret deal with Stalin at the height of “the Great Patriotic War” to resettle the Jews in the Soviet Union rather than killing them?”

                  No, I am not proposing that.

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2016 @ 3:31 pm

                • Oh and I’m still waiting for an answer to m question to you FG from October 28th:

                  23.8.41 Jaeger Report 1,609 Jewish children – all these were illegal non-combatants?

                  So do you condone the killing of Jewish Children FG?

                  Comment by Anonymouse — November 1, 2016 @ 1:54 pm

                • You wrote a reply to yourself, but you asked ME a question. I do not condone the killing of any children, including Jewish children.

                  Can you give the link to where I wrote about the Jaeger Report and Jewish children?

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2016 @ 3:24 pm

                • You wrote: “so you agree FG that they were gassed then and not transited elsewhere?”

                  Then you continued by asking Jim a question. You are replying to two separate comments by two separate people.

                  There is more than one person named Jim who is commenting here. No one knows what you are talking about.

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2016 @ 3:35 pm

                • Bomba’s testimony was crucial to the Treblinka lie. So it’s important for people to see how ridiculous and off the wall his testimony was…..To even think that people could be gassed in one minute is a bit over the top don’t you think? You actually believe that nonsense?
                  In regards to where the Jews went….most likely shipped to Russia to parts unknown.
                  Sadly, most of the Jews in the camps survived from their work details to spread their lies later on.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 1, 2016 @ 3:39 pm

                • You are replying to two separate comments by two separate people (that’s from you FG)

                  So? what’s the problems with that. Most people who comment on this blog seem to be able to keep up with the comments

                  Did I say you mentioned Jewish Children and the Jaeger Report – I don’t think I did

                  So still I await the answer “And they were sent where in the Soviet Union? Where were these unknown parts?

                  “There is more than one person named Jim who is commenting here. No one knows what you are talking about”

                  No? I did quote his previous comments – if you want to be pedantic get it right

                  Comment by Anonymouse — November 1, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

              • Jim (stupid one) said

                Bomba’s testimony was crucial to the Treblinka lie. So it’s important for people to see how ridiculous and off the wall his testimony was…..To even think that people could be gassed in one minute is a bit over the top don’t you think? You actually believe that nonsense?
                In regards to where the Jews went….most likely shipped to Russia to parts unknown.
                Sadly, most of the Jews in the camps survived from their work details to spread their lies later on.

                Anonymouse (Me) asked: “So where did they all these people being ‘re-settled’ get transited to then Jim?”

                Jim (stupid one) didn’t answer the question as usual

                So Jim – where did they all these people being ‘re-settled’ get transited to then

                Comment by Anonymouse — November 1, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

  3. In his interview with the USHMM, Abraham Bomba stated that he “was a barber and his job was cutting the hair of the victims inside the gas chamber, just before they were gassed. ”

    Bomba repeated this absurd claim on the Claude Lanzmann documentary film, entitled “Shoah”.

    I find it utterly contemptible that any of the testimony from such an obviously deranged person should ever have been published and broadcast far and wide. It must have been clear to the interviewers at the time, and the editors of the material later, that he was not a suitable witness to provide any coherent or sensible evidence before the world.

    But of course, the holohoaxers luv him, because – for them – he provides confirmation that there were gas chambers at Treblinka, as he tells us that he worked as a “barber” actually inside them, carrying out the most humiliating and heart-rending task of shaving all the women’s hair just before they were gassed !!!

    Comment by Talbot — October 31, 2016 @ 6:12 am

    • You wrote: “In his interview with the USHMM, Abraham Bomba stated that he “was a barber and his job was cutting the hair of the victims inside the gas chamber, just before they were gassed. ”

      I wrote about Abraham Bomba on this blog post:
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/abraham-bomba-one-of-the-barbers-at-treblinka/

      Comment by furtherglory — October 31, 2016 @ 6:33 am

      • I read your article about Abraham Bomba, and it would appear that Bradley Smith had raised the issue of the testimony of this man with the USHMM some time back – good for him. Bradley even refers to Bomba as a “collaborator” – and questions his moral quality as well as his suitability as a heavily publicised witness to what was happening inside Treblinka.

        Bomba’s account is very weird, and if true ( which its not! ), cannot be described as heroic in the slightest. But whether he could be regarded as an actual collaborator is debatable.

        But it is of note, that Bomba claims to be one of the escapees from Treblinka during the breakout revolt in 1943. But is this true?, because I was led to understand that no one from the so-called “Upper Camp” – where he alleged carried out his hair cutting duties – actually managed to escape, or if they did, then they perished in the attempt.

        I wonder how Bomba really managed to get out of Treblinka. Was he really one of the dare-devils who escaped, or was his departure a more prosaic one of climbing into a railway box-car and being transported to another camp.

        Comment by Talbot — October 31, 2016 @ 7:48 am

  4. FG….thanks for the Holohuxsters side of things now a shorter version of the truth.

    TREBLINKA FABRICATIONS  

    Did 6 Million Really Die ? 
    —    28    — 
     
    The latest reminiscences to appear in print are those of Franz Stangl, the former commandant of the camp at Treblinka in Poland who was sentenced to life imprisonment in December 1970. These were published in an article by the London Daily Telegraph Magazine, October 8th, 1971, and were supposed to derive from a series of interviews with Stangl in prison. He died a few days after the interviews were concluded. These alleged reminiscences are certainly the goriest and most bizarre yet published, though one is grateful for a few admissions by the writer of the article, such as that “the evidence presented in the course of his trial did not prove Stangl himself to have committed specific acts of murder” and that the account of Stangl’s beginnings in Poland “was in part fabrication.” A typical example of this fabrication was the description of Stangl’s first visit to Treblinka.

    As he drew into the railway station there, he is supposed to have seen “thousands of bodies” just strewn around next to the tracks, “hundreds, no, thousands of bodies everywhere, putrefying, decomposing.” And “in the station was a train full of Jews, some dead, some still alive… it looked as if it had been there for days.” The account reaches the heights of absurdity when Stangl is alleged to have got out of his car and “stepped kneedeep into money: I didn’t know which way to turn, which way to go. I waded in papernotes, currency, precious stones, jewellery and clothes. They were everywhere, strewn all over the square.” The scene is completed by “whores from Warsaw weaving drunk, dancing, singing, playing music”, who were on the other side of the barbed wire fences. To literally believe this account of sinking “kneedeep” in Jewish bank-notes and precious stones amid thousands of putrefying corpses and lurching, singing prostitutes would require the most phenomenal degree of gullibility, and in any circumstances other than the Six Million legend it would be dismissed as the most outrageous nonsense.

    The statement which certainly robs the Stangl memoirs of any vestige of authenticity is his alleged reply when asked why he thought the Jews were being exterminated: “They wanted the Jews’ money,” is the answer. “That racial business was just secondary.” The series of interviews are supposed to have ended on a highly dubious note indeed. When asked whether he thought there had been “any conceivable sense in this horror,” the former Nazi commandant supposedly replied with enthusiasm: “Yes, I am sure there was. Perhaps the Jews were meant to have this enormous jolt to pull them together; to create a people; to identify themselves with each other.” One could scarcely imagine a more perfect answer had it been invented.  

    JR
     

    Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 6:55 pm

    • Jim demonstrates he cannot think for himself again or look into the Soviet report himself.

      Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 7:34 pm

      • DH……… if you think that I’m going to trust anything that comes from a Russian or the Soviets whatever you have to be absolutely crazy they’re the ones that put this HoloHoax narrative together in the fist place directed by the Jews in the USA AND BRITAIN.
        You apparently have no problem listening to the lies from these people.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 8:54 pm

        • Jim, I never said you had to trust what the Soviet’s wrote. I said you should read the report yourself.

          Maybe then you could formulate a reasonable argument instead of relying on massive quotes from books you have most likely hardly read.

          Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 9:04 pm

          • DH….If I had a friend of mine that lied to me every time he spoke to me I wouldn’t think I would be trusting anything he said would you, and that’s how I feel about the Soviets.
            My time is valuable and I won’t waste it on liars.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — October 30, 2016 @ 9:25 pm

            • Jim, again. I am not saying that you should take them as a credible source. We both know that you have taken the rabbit hole to insanity and are on a one way trip.

              What I am conveying is that you should do your own research and not keep repeating idiotic crap, such as 20,000,000 teeth. Despite the fact it’s been explained to you time and time again that teeth break down into ash at temperatures of 1,100 degrees F. It’s not a waste of time to admit that somethings you have read is wrong, but you need to be able to back up what you claim.

              Your time isn’t anything of value and you have already wasted it by reading books like did 6 million really die… It shows how much effort your research goes to. I can at least say I have put in some effort into my work. No where close to the amount as Rabbit or SM. But god damn I don’t repeat where I am obviously wrong.

              I have explained this in the past and linked you to the dental study.

              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3009553/

              You have been linked this before and I doubt you will learn from it. The only lesson you have learned so far is to not saw “teeth don’t smash well”.

              Comment by Denying-History — October 30, 2016 @ 9:54 pm

              • You wrote: ” I can at least say I have put in some effort into my work.”

                What is your “work”? Are you writing a book?

                Comment by furtherglory — October 31, 2016 @ 6:20 am

              • So you honestly believe a fire with wet wood, can create a temperature of 1100 degrees….LOL
                Enough to burn bones to ash in a short amount of time that the Holohuxsters say it was done? LOL

                Even the best and most technical crematoriums today can’t cremate a body in less than 1 hr….
                And you expect us to believe that a body on a wood pyre can burn to ash in 1 hr or less?
                What are you smokin?

                JR

                Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 9:24 am

                • lol Jim dry wood reaches temperatures of 1,500. I’m sure that freshly cut wood could reach 900 to 1,100 degrees which is the limits where teeth start breaking down. As for “wet wood” Jim were are not talking like literal wet wood like wood that has been rained on. We are talking freshly cut trees and branches which have been on a fence for a long period. We are also talking about Poland, a place which has Pine… Pine sap itself is flammable.

                  There are a large number of things to account for Jim. Petrol was also used. Who is to say the Germans couldn’t ship in wood as well? This is an idea supplied from HC. It’s not Mattognos 3,800 freight cars worth of wood. It’s a smaller figure then Mattognos 96,000 metric tons. I have explained why this figure is wrong. You still need to account for the cremation of fat as well.

                  And the best most technical crematoriums burn the body all the way down to the point no organic material exists. They also have a coffin and that is not how the Topf ovens were operated, nor is it how the grills operated. So, that shows your “technical” experience. Also despite your “technical” experience in Hugo Erichsen’s Cremation of the Dead he details the cremation of over 200 bodies in a pit which finished in about an hour. (Pages 137-138)

                  Hoess detailed that Petrol as well was added to the grills to help the cremation of the bodies. And that it want only used to start the fires.

                  “The fires were stoked with wood, the bodies being sprayed every now and then with petrol refuse.”

                  Again at sites like Dresden they used the same method of cremation and they didn’t use your 400 pounds of wood per person. They used straw, wood, and petrol and they were able to remove 6,800 corpses of the 25,000 whom died from the bombing.

                  They didn’t use the mass amount of wood that you say is demanded.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 31, 2016 @ 11:10 am

                • I also haven’t conveyed any cremation period.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 31, 2016 @ 11:13 am

                • This is from the book Auschwitz Open Air Incineration’s by DH’s favorite revisionist writer Carlo Mottogno p 15

                  HoloHoax Liar…..Henryk Mandelbaum on Auschwitz cremation nonsense

                  Later, Mandelbaum also participated in the trial of the camp garrison. At
                  the eighth session of that trial he made the following declaration:
                  “The cremation, when I worked there, was done in trenches and on
                  pyres. The pyres were made up in the following way: they were 30-35 meters
                  long and some 15 meters wide. The preparations for the cremation of
                  the gassed went like this: with the carts came large amounts of wood in
                  small chunks which were laid out in the trenches, then from the forest were
                  brought fir branches and on such a layer the bodies of the gassed were
                  dumped. From the gas chamber to the trenches a narrow-gauge track was
                  laid, by which the corpses were transported on flat cars to the trenches
                  into which they were then thrown. When a certain number of corpses had
                  been thrown in, they were doused with gasoline, and the pyre was lit at its
                  four corners, and then, as the corpses burned, another layer of corpses and
                  wood was added, so that the trenches burned continuously for 24-48 hours.
                  After the cremation, the ashes were removed from the trenches and taken
                  to the place where the crematorium was.”
                  According to the witness, into one cremation trench ten layers of 150-180
                  corpses alternating with a layer of wood were placed. However, if we assume
                  an average thickness of one meter for a layer of wood plus a layer of
                  corpses, this would have yielded a pyre ten meters high!

                  A pile of bodies 30 ft high….LOL What was he smokin? Same stuff as DH….
                  Notice they weren’t dragged and burned in the woods, and no mention of wood storage or wood piles.
                  You would think they would find the remains or at least the ash of these bodies today….

                  This is from the book Auschwitz Open Air Incineration’s by DH’s favorite revisionist writer Carlo Mottogno

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 1:05 pm

                • More cremation nonsense for DH….
                  Sigismund Bendel was deported to Auschwitz from the camp at Drancy
                  (France) on December 10, 1943, and received the ID number 167460. He
                  claims that he became part of the “Sonderkommando” in June of 1944 and
                  stayed there until January 18, 1945.

                  In a report published in 1946, he described the alleged cremation trenches
                  near crematorium V in the following way:42
                  “When I entered the Sonder,[43] the capacity of the ovens was regarded
                  as being insufficient, and they were replaced by three trenches, each one
                  12 meters long, 6 meters wide, and 1.5 meters deep. The output of those
                  trenches was tremendous: one thousand persons per hour.”
                  We have here another testimony on the alleged trenches of crematorium V
                  which is at variance both with Mandelbaum’s and with Dragon’s statements
                  The following year, Bendel asserted that the record of the cremations –
                  26,000 (and not 24,000 as maintained by Jan Sehn) – was reached on June 25,
                  1944, a day on which there could not have been any Hungarian Jews to be
                  burnt, because no transports left Hungary between June 21 and 24 and the
                  transports that left on June 25 took three days to arrive at Birkenau. The story
                  of the 24,000 people gassed and burnt in a single day, with all its variants, was
                  part and parcel of the propaganda baggage of the former Auschwitz detainees
                  and each one gave it a different date. The anonymous author of the “Report on
                  the Auschwitz Camp,” for example, placed it on June 9, 1944. The story had
                  very arbitrary contours. For Jaacov Gabai, the self-styled member of the “Sonderkommando,”
                  the figure of 24,000 gassed persons was a daily average. On
                  the other hand, the detainee Kurt Marcus declared:
                  “When the transports from Hungary began to arrive on May 16, 1944,
                  the crematoria were insufficient, because up to 30,000 corpses had to be
                  burnt in the first few days.”

                  Is this at all possible in the open air….LOL
                  Where is the wood? Where was it stored? Where was the remains buried?
                  There has to be some trace of 30,000 bodies somewhere…..Oh, I know they just dissappeared in the air poof! DH, can you explain any of this. 400 lbs per body x 30,000 bodies…..that one burning needed 12 Millions lbs of wood? No where was that wood stored? What about all the ash and bones left over? 8 lbs of bone ash and how many lbs of wood ash….Yikes that is a lot of ash.
                  And where was that all buried to be found later on? Oh, again poof! Gone with the wind!

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 1:28 pm

                • To repost an image because apparently it didn’t copy over correctly:

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 31, 2016 @ 5:08 pm

                • You gave a link to a photo which shows the burning of bodies at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

                  I wrote about this photo on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/krema-iv-and-krema-v/

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2016 @ 8:42 am

                • Here is the issue Jim, no one takes witness measurement as FACT. Witnesses as I have stated before are important to recreating what happened in any historical event… Every history uses eyewitnesses, it’s something you cannot avoid. Thing is you cannot be hypocritical in their use like Mattogno. Though, a good amount of what Mattogno says its resourceful, he some times doesn’t seem to understand the failure to his logic.

                  This is completely unrelated to the cremation grills. Funny to see you are avoiding what you can no longer defend, but as I have said in Hugo Erichsen’s book there is a report of over 200 bodies being cremated in pit in under and hour. This however doesn’t mean that I am arguing the witnesses accurately describe the cremation measurement wise. Despite what you claim the pits still again show on the air photographs:

                  The photographs of this pit as well do show drag marks… Despite what Jim wants to believe. Dark marks below:

                  I never have argued no remains exist ether Jim… So stop creating a damn strawman.

                  Nate didn’t seem to have any problem locating bone fragments…

                  https://natanddavetravel.wordpress.com/tag/auschwitz/

                  As for wood storage, are you fucking blind? Have you even looked at the air photographs?

                  God… I swear Jim… This has really only reminded me to thank Theo for finding this out… You have proven to be far from a genius Jim. Dumb as always.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 31, 2016 @ 5:06 pm

                • DH….you have no case…..keep dreaming.
                  Chew on this with your Holohuckster buddies
                  Starting with…Henryk Mandelbaum
                  At the eighth session of that trial he made the following declaration:
                  “The cremation, when I worked there, was done in trenches and on
                  pyres. The pyres were made up in the following way: they were 30-35 meters
                  long and some 15 meters wide. The preparations for the cremation of
                  the gassed went like this: with the carts came large amounts of wood in
                  small chunks which were laid out in the trenches, then from the forest were
                  brought fir branches and on such a layer the bodies of the gassed were
                  dumped. From the gas chamber to the trenches a narrow-gauge track was
                  laid, by which the corpses were transported on flat cars to the trenches
                  into which they were then thrown. When a certain number of corpses had
                  been thrown in, they were doused with gasoline, and the pyre was lit at its
                  four corners, and then, as the corpses burned, another layer of corpses and
                  wood was added, so that the trenches burned continuously for 24-48 hours.
                  After the cremation, the ashes were removed from the trenches and taken
                  to the place where the crematorium was.”
                  According to the witness, into one cremation trench ten layers of 150-180
                  corpses alternating with a layer of wood were placed. However, if we assume
                  an average thickness of one meter for a layer of wood plus a layer of
                  corpses, this would have yielded a pyre ten meters high!
                  Another Holohuckster
                  Sigismund Bendel was deported to Auschwitz from the camp at Drancy
                  (France) on December 10, 1943, and received the ID number 167460. He
                  claims that he became part of the “Sonderkommando” in June of 1944 and
                  stayed there until January 18, 1945.

                  In a report published in 1946, he described the alleged cremation trenches
                  near crematorium V in the following way:
                  “When I entered the Sonder, the capacity of the ovens was regarded
                  as being insufficient, and they were replaced by three trenches, each one
                  12 meters long, 6 meters wide, and 1.5 meters deep. The output of those
                  trenches was tremendous: one thousand persons per hour.”
                  We have here another testimony on the alleged trenches of crematorium V
                  which is at variance both with Mandelbaum’s and with Dragon’s statements
                  The following year, Bendel asserted that the record of the cremations –
                  26,000 (and not 24,000 as maintained by Jan Sehn) – was reached on June 25,
                  1944,44 a day on which there could not have been any Hungarian Jews to be
                  burnt, because no transports left Hungary between June 21 and 2445 and the
                  transports that left on June 25 took three days to arrive at Birkenau. The story
                  of the 24,000 people gassed and burnt in a single day, with all its variants, was
                  part and parcel of the propaganda baggage of the former Auschwitz detainees
                  and each one gave it a different date. The anonymous author of the “Report on
                  the Auschwitz Camp,” for example, placed it on June 9, 1944.46 The story had
                  very arbitrary contours. For Jaacov Gabai, the self-styled member of the “Sonderkommando,”
                  the figure of 24,000 gassed persons was a daily average. On
                  the other hand, the detainee Kurt Marcus declared:
                  “When the transports from Hungary began to arrive on May 16, 1944,
                  the crematoria were insufficient, because up to 30,000 corpses had to be burnt in the first few days.”.

                  Ya right….LOL
                  Try that with no wood.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 5:32 pm

                • Here we again see Jim unable to do his own research. We again see that Jim has taken witness statements past their actual use. He has no argument against what I have said so he flustered to his copy and paste website to find a premade post.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 31, 2016 @ 5:41 pm

                • DH….LOL….
                  You’ve been beat but you can’t acknowledge it you’re a bad loser.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 6:42 pm

                • “You’ve been beat but you can’t acknowledge it you’re a bad loser.”

                  Or as I have already explained, witness measurements do not stand as fact jim. You argued “where is the wood” and you were shown where it was held. I have just stated the pits existed… Its really quite clear that they existed.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 31, 2016 @ 6:56 pm

                • ” The output of those trenches was tremendous: one thousand persons per hour. ”

                  And I suppose during that same hour, the next 1,000 corpses – plus the necessary quantity of cut timber – was being made ready alongside the three trenches in order to be thrown in on top of the burnt remains immediately after the hour had elapsed. This truly amazing “production-line” process then obviously continued in similar fashion until all 24,000 bodies had been consumed.

                  When one zooms in on Google Earth today, and studies the very modest-sized grassy area alongside Auschwitz Krema V where all this is alleged to have happened, then you can’t help coming way thinking – ” we are being told a load of crap! “

                  Comment by Talbot — October 31, 2016 @ 2:10 pm

                • Cremation Trenches in Official Historiography right from the horses mouth….Read it quickly it might change tomorrow…..it already has from the witnesses who testified later…..

                  From Carlo Mottogno’s book Auschwitz Open Air Incinerations..
                  numbers refer to footnotes which are not mentioned here..

                  The uncertainty of the judicial findings, derived as they are from contradictory
                  testimonies, is inevitably imprinted from the very beginnings upon the incipient
                  official literature on Auschwitz. One of the first classics in this field –
                  though well informed on most topics – restricts itself to the following lines:70
                  “The gas chambers worked day and night. The crematorium chimneys
                  belched not only smoke, but pillars of fire, three to four metres high.[71] It
                  was not enough. Trenches were dug in the ground and temporary gas installations
                  were put in, and the trenches were covered with tarpaulins. The
                  cloakrooms and undressing stations were also inadequate, and an open-air
                  undressing station had to be arranged. The crematoriums could not keep
                  pace with it. So the Germans dug trenches and burned the corpses on wood
                  pyres.”
                  The story of the “gassing trenches,” later abandoned by the official historiography,
                  enjoyed a certain popularity in the immediate post-war years among
                  the Auschwitz detainees. Otto Wolken proposes this version:72
                  “Trenches were dug and covered with tarpaulins, they served as temporary
                  gas chambers; besides, two gigantic pits were dug to burn the corpses
                  in the open air.”
                  In 1949, Bruno Baum, a member of the secret resistance movement at
                  Auschwitz which, he claimed, also had contacts in the so-called “Sonderkommando”
                  of the crematoria, wrote:73
                  “In the summer of 1944, that Kommando had grown to nearly 1200
                  men who were implementing the so-called “Aktion Hoess.” It was a matter
                  of gassing three quarters of a million Hungarian Jews [sic!] within a short
                  time; only 80,000 of the physically fittest came into the camp or were sent
                  to other parts of Germany for work. On those days, the capacity of the
                  crematoria was insufficient, and gigantic pits were dug in which pyres
                  were arranged to burn thousands of corpses, piled one on top of the
                  other.”
                  In their classic work on Auschwitz, Ota Kraus and Erich Kulka were rather
                  quiet on the subject of cremation trenches as well:74
                  “When the ovens were insufficient – which happened frequently – thousands
                  of dead bodies were burned on pyres. The corpses of the people
                  killed were thrown into the yard, the chambers were cleaned out, and while
                  the bodies were dragged from the yard to the pyres the gassing went on.”

                  In his history of the Auschwitz camp, based for the better part on his previously
                  mentioned article of 1946, Jan Sehn wrote:75
                  “From May to August 1944, when there were arriving mass drafts [sic]
                  of Hungarian Jews and French resistance fighters, so many people were
                  being hastily gassed (because of developments in the situation on the eastern
                  front) that crematoria could not burn all the bodies. So six huge pits
                  were dug near Crematorium V, the old pits near bunkers 1 and 2 were reopened,
                  and bodies were burnt in them unceasingly. With all these installations
                  in full operation, a cremation figure of twenty-four thousand bodies a
                  day was reached in August 1944.”
                  The curious thing here is that, as we have seen in the preceding chapter, the
                  number of cremation trenches which Jan Sehn assigns to the area of crematorium
                  V – six trenches – is not found in any of the testimonies!
                  The mention of the “French resistance fighters” allegedly gassed in great
                  numbers at Auschwitz is worth a closer look. In the immediate post-war years,
                  this story was widespread among the detainees and was reported i.a. by H.
                  Tauber and H. Mandelbaum. In 1946, Filip Friedman summarized it as follows:
                  76
                  “At the end of the summer of 1944, after the Allied invasion of France,
                  ‘terrorists,’ which means members of the Resistance Movement, were
                  brought from France. Their number is estimated at about 670,000. I feel
                  that both these figures are exaggerated, but there are no other statistics
                  available.”
                  Actually, besides Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and Soviet prisoners of war, about
                  25,000 persons of other nationalities were deported to Auschwitz (Byelorussians,
                  Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Germans, Austrians,
                  Italians, and Frenchmen). The number of French deportees is documented
                  as being 654!77 According to the reports from the secret resistance
                  movement of the camp,78 there were 674 French detainees in the Auschwitz
                  compound on August 21, 1944, which confirms the order of magnitude of the
                  above documentary data. By the end of the 1970s the legend of the mass extermination
                  of French insurgents had died down.
                  In 1974, the Auschwitz Museum published a book,79 which contained as an
                  appendix a plan of the Birkenau camp indicating the sites of the alleged open
                  air cremations. As far as the area of crematorium V is concerned, the authors –
                  not knowing where to locate the alleged cremation trenches – simply indicated
                  a large continuous swath of land to the north, east, and west of the crematorium
                  for the cremations (as no. 12). Furthermore, they designated as “No. 10”
                  an “area in which the ashes from crematorium IV were buried” and as “No.
                  13” the “pond where the ashes from crematoria IV and V were put.” They do
                  not say where the ashes from the alleged cremation trenches ended up.
                  In the German 1997 edition of the same book we have a plan of Birkenau
                  with the legend “Installations and locations of mass extermination in KZ
                  Auschwitz II (Birkenau),” but the open air cremation sites are no longer indicated.

                  In 1978, in one of the first general histories of the camp prepared by the
                  Auschwitz Museum, Franciszek Piper writes:81
                  “Henceforth bodies were burned in the open only when there was an influx
                  of particularly large transports and the crematoria were unable to
                  keep pace with the work of extermination. In view of the unlimited capacity
                  of the burning pits, the number of bodies cremated depended in principle
                  on the numerousness of the transports and the capacity of the gas chambers,
                  which was theoretically estimated at 60,000 over a period of 24
                  hours, taking account of gassing time and the time needed to remove the
                  bodies. The highest daily number of gassed and cremated actually
                  achieved – in 1944 during the extermination of the Hungarian Jews – was
                  24,000. At that time Bunker 2 was reactivated, the old burning pits reopened,
                  an additional five large pits were dug around Crematorium V, and
                  the railway onto which the transports were shunted was extended right up
                  to [the] crematoria themselves.”
                  Even more generally, the authoritative encyclopedic guide on the German
                  concentration camps on Polish territory, drawn up by Central Commission of
                  Investigation into the Hitlerian Crimes in Poland, states the following on the
                  topic in question:82

                  “Because the crematoria could not cope with the cremation of corpses,
                  these were also burnt near the little wood on pyres and in trenches. In this
                  way, the figure of 20,000 bodies cremated within a day was exceeded in the
                  summer of 1944.”
                  In 1979, Danuta Czech, the famous author of the Auschwitz Kalendarium,
                  wrote:83
                  “In order to master this situation, in May of 1944, during the mass liquidation
                  of the Hungarian Jews, five pits were excavated next to crematorium
                  V, destined for incinerations of bodies in the open air. At the same
                  time, Bunker II was ordered to be put into service again. The pits near it,
                  which had once before been used for incinerations, were reopened. Under
                  conditions of full load at all cremation installations, crematoria and pits,
                  the Fascists reached a daily throughput of 24,000 corpses in 1944. […] In
                  mid-1944, 1000 Jewish detainees were working at the four crematoria with
                  [their] 8 cremation pits.”

                  However, in her most detailed Kalendarium on Auschwitz, Danuta Czech
                  limits herself to some vague references to the cremation trenches. She mentions
                  a single “pit near the crematorium” – presumably crematorium V – in
                  connection with the alleged gassing of the Gypsies on August 2, 1944,84 and
                  the filling in of the trenches for August 30,85 without giving any information
                  as to when and where the trenches had been dug, how many there were or
                  what sizes they had.
                  According to D. Czech, the four crematoria had a combined capacity of
                  8,000 corpses in 24 hours.86 It follows, therefore, that the capacity of the cremation
                  trenches was 16,000 corpses per day!
                  In 1980, another world expert on Auschwitz, Hermann Langbein, wrote in
                  connection with the alleged extermination of the Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz:
                  87

                  “The capacity of the gas chambers was enough to quickly kill large
                  numbers of people who were ‘no longer fit for work,’ but the crematoria
                  were not big enough to burn them all immediately. Therefore, graves were
                  dug near the crematoria, and in them the bodies were burned.”
                  H. Langbein was just as evasive and vague88 in his classical work on
                  Auschwitz:89
                  “As in the early days, pyres were again built in the open air next to the
                  crematoria in order to burn the corpses; the capacity of the crematoria
                  was insufficient.”
                  In his second work on Auschwitz, published in 1993, Jean-Claude Pressac
                  asserted – on the basis of data from the Auschwitz Museum and of air photos
                  taken on May 31 and June 26, 194490 – that in the area of crematorium V of
                  Birkenau there existed three cremation trenches, and two more in the area of
                  the so-called “Bunker 2,” one of 30, the other of 20 square meters.91 But, as
                  we shall see in chapter 10, these indications have no counterpart in reality.
                  In the magnum opus in five volumes edited by the Auschwitz Museum in
                  1995, Franciszek Piper devoted only a total of three lines to the question of the
                  cremation trenches:92

                  “In May 1944, during the killing of the Hungarian Jews, it was put
                  back in operation. Several new burning pits[93] were dug and a new barracks
                  [sic] for undressing constructed at that time. Bunker 2 functioned until
                  the autumn of 1944. It was demolished in November after the cessation
                  of killing by gas. The ashes were removed from pits and the whole site was
                  leveled.”
                  Robert Jan van Pelt, who is presently considered to be the world expert on
                  Auschwitz by the official historiography, has provided no indications on the
                  cremation trenches in his well-known work of over 500 pages about the camp,
                  giving neither the number, nor the dimensions, nor the location. Considering
                  the fundamental importance of the cremation trenches in the assessment of the
                  alleged extermination of Jews in spring and summer of 1944, this gap by van
                  Pelt is serious and unacceptable.
                  Hence, the knowledge of the official historiography about the Birkenau
                  cremation trenches, already vague and inconsistent in the early post-war years,
                  has become even more elusive and uncertain with the passage of time, in spite
                  of the historiographical progress for the history of the camp.
                  John C. Zimmerman has recently tried to fill this enormous gap in the official
                  historiography by trying to prove the presence of three cremation trenches
                  in the area of the so-called “Bunker 2” and another three in the northern yard
                  of crematorium V.

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 2:47 pm

                • Thanks for that, Jim – I particularly noted a piece of withering criticism about Robert Jan Van Pelt;-

                  ” Robert Jan van Pelt, who is presently considered to be the world expert on
                  Auschwitz by the official historiography, has provided no indications on the
                  cremation trenches in his well-known work of over 500 pages about the camp,
                  giving neither the number, nor the dimensions, nor the location. Considering
                  the fundamental importance of the cremation trenches in the assessment of the
                  alleged extermination of Jews in spring and summer of 1944, this gap by van
                  Pelt is serious and unacceptable. ”

                  Absolutely – spot on !

                  Mattogno goes on to write;-

                  ” Hence, the knowledge of the official historiography about the Birkenau
                  cremation trenches, already vague and inconsistent in the early post-war years,
                  has become even more elusive and uncertain with the passage of time…
                  …John C. Zimmerman has recently tried to fill this enormous gap in the official
                  historiography by trying to prove the presence of three cremation trenches
                  in the area of the so-called “Bunker 2” and another three in the northern yard
                  of crematorium V.”

                  Its quite pathetic to realise that an essential part of the alleged extermination story at Auschwitz has been woefully neglected over the last 70 years, despite the holohoaxers arrogant and belligerent attitude towards those who question the official narrative. One would think that a degree of humility, and red-faced apologies would be the order of the day from these folk.

                  Especially when one realises that nobody has ever bothered to carry out any search for human remains in and around the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex. You can look around in vain for any official report detailing archaeological work and forensic investigations.

                  But maybe there is some hope, even at this very late stage, because good ‘ol Johnny Zimmerman is going to have a go at searching for cremation pits, burning trenches, mass graves and whatever. So maybe the future is not so bleak for conclusive evidence after all. But we shall all have to wait and see!

                  Comment by Talbot — October 31, 2016 @ 4:02 pm

                • I think the problem here with the Holohucksters is they’ve been beaten at their own game but they’re not humble enough to admit it and then we come along and expose them they ridicule and make fun of us like we don’t know what’s going on and yet they don’t have any proof at all….
                  Where is Holohuxster DH on this one?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 31, 2016 @ 4:10 pm

                • The aerial photos of Krema V are not convincing as evidence of burning bodies. The dates of the photos don’t match the chronology of the alleged peak period of exterminations – which is from mid-May through to mid-July 1944.

                  Thus the photo, which is alleged to have been taken on 31st May 1944 should be showing plenty of smoke from burning bodies – but its not displaying any fires at all; whereas the photo shot on 23rd August should not be indicating smoke rising from any corpses – because by that date, the Hungarian deportations had ceased well over a month previously, and thus any cremations by then could all have been handled inside the 4 Birkenau Kremas

                  And one can’t make the claim that there were still thousands of Hungarian bodies waiting to be disposed of, because we’ve been told that 80% of these arrivals were gassed immediately and their bodies cremated.

                  So what is being burnt alongside Krema V on 23rd August. Well, the truth is – no one knows. But the smoke itself is very “white” in colour, which could suggest that it is not human corpses being burnt.

                  But even if they are – it doesn’t mean that mass exterminations were going on. It could simply mean that some of the cremation ovens were out of order, and the SS had to resort to outdoor pyres to deal with the normal mortality rate within this large concentration/labour camp.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 31, 2016 @ 5:55 pm

                • The photo which was allegedly snapped secretly through a doorway of Krema V and purports to be evidence of burning corpses in an outdoor pit is very questionable of whether it is genuine or not.

                  We have been told that the bodies were dragged out of the gas chambers and taken to the pits where they were thrown on to the pyre on top of a layer of cut timber.

                  If that be so, then one would think that the process would be an orderly affair, carried out in a regimented way – almost like a production line.

                  Therefore, it does seem strange that the sondercommandos would just dump the bodies in a scattered and haphazard manner around the pyre waiting to be picked up and dumped on the conflagration.

                  Surely the waiting corpses would be stacked, so that the team transferring them on to the fire could take one body after the other – swiftly and effectively, in order to carry out such a laborious task as efficiently as possible.

                  But what we see in the photo, is a group of guys who look like ordinary civilian workmen ( rather than mortally terrified prisoners wearing striped pyjamas ) who don’t seem to be very well organised at all, and appear to be presented with extra difficulties, whereby they have to step over and stumble across all the corpses that are just lying strewn around.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 1, 2016 @ 10:24 am

                • “But what we see in the photo, is a group of guys who look like ordinary civilian workmen ( rather than mortally terrified prisoners wearing striped pyjamas ) who don’t seem to be very well organised at all, and appear to be presented with extra difficulties, whereby they have to step over and stumble across all the corpses that are just lying strewn around.”

                  Don’t know much about history, do you, Talbot?

                  The Sonderkommando at Birkenau were allowed to wear civilian clothing.

                  As for the rest, that’s just your British fussiness. The idea was to empty the chamber as quickly as possible so it could be cleaned.

                  Jeff K.

                  Comment by brycesdaddy1105 — November 1, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • You wrote: “The Sonderkommando at Birkenau were allowed to wear civilian clothing.”

                  Do you mean that the Sonderkommando did not wear prison uniforms?

                  What is your source for this statement?

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2016 @ 11:08 am

                • Jeff… of course the sondercommando could wear civilian clothing…. I’m sure that’s where the stories came saying they just walked out of the camps no one would even notice them. LOL
                  So now prisoners aren’t prisoners their civilians
                  So why did they complain so badly when they got home saying they were abused.
                  Like I’ve said many times if you don’t like the story change it and they sure do.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — November 1, 2016 @ 12:08 pm

                • One thing about the Holohuxsters they can present any picture and call it what they want.
                  I especially love it when they take pictures of killed Germans and say they were Jews…..something that would happen at Dresden as a for instance.
                  I take most pictures presented by Holohuxsters as not too worthy to deem worthwhile in their HoloHoax case to prove anything.
                  I am still waiting for a real picture of a homicidal gas chamber that was used to kill people but all they have to show are shower rooms or fumigation chambers.
                  The dumb public have no clue and happily go along with what they present.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — November 1, 2016 @ 10:50 am

    • “The Singing Prostitutes of Treblinka” – I’m surprised no one has written a book, made a movie, or composed a musical extravaganza out of this promising title.

      Comment by Talbot — October 31, 2016 @ 6:23 am


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