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November 5, 2016

the little known Belzec camp

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:03 am
Belzec Memorial site

 Belzec Photo Credit: Bonnie M. Harris

The location of the former Belzec camp is one of the few Holocaust cites that that I have never visited.

I am indebted to Bonnie M. Harris, who visited the site of the camp in 2006, and wrote a description of the cite, which she allowed me to  put up on my scrapbookpages.com website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Belzec/Belzec03.html

The following was written by Bonnie M. Harris:

BELZEC, The Nazi Death Camp

Immediately following the decision of the Nazi authorities to implement “Aktion Reinhard,” the Germans began construction of three death camps in Poland, designed for the purpose of exterminating the Jews living in the region known as the “Generalgouvernement.”

On November 1, 1941, Belzec, the first of the three death camps, the others being Treblinka and Sobibor, was the first death camp in which the Nazis used stationary gas chambers for killing their victims. The annihilation of the Jews at Belzec lasted for only nine months, between March and December of 1942, but in that time about a million exterminations took place, mostly Polish and foreign Jews, and small groups of non-Jewish Poles and Gypsies.

Corpses were buried in about 30 mass graves located within the perimeter of the camp site, which was at most 400 meters square. It was this practice of mass burials within the camp area itself that caused the Germans to abandon the camp when the Fall and Winter weather caused the bodies of the buried to swell and literally push themselves up out of the ground. This presented great health dangers for the perpetrators.

Between December 1942 and April 1943, transports no longer arrived at the camp and during these months, Jewish prisoners had to open the mass graves and burn the bodies of the gassed victims on huge pyres of layered railroad ties. In June 1943, the camp was totally liquidated and all the buildings were destroyed. No significant physical evidence of the victims was ever to be found at the site and the transport lists were also destroyed. The victims of Belzec died in an anonymous mass and only two official survivors of the camp lived to provide post-war testimonies of life and death at Belzec.

The site of the Belzec camp is covered by rocks

Former Belzec camp is completely covered by rocks Photo credit: Bonnie M. Harris

Rocks cover the Belzec site Photo Credit: Bonnie M. Harris

Rocks cover the Belzec site Photo Credit: Bonnie M. Harris

48 Comments »

  1. DH an his friendly HoloHoaxers here have the answer to where the Jews went but they aren’t happy with the answer …so I guess they think that if they keep asking the question more and more they will get the answers they are looking for. READ MY LIPS……THE JEWS UN ACCOUNTED FOR WENT INTO PARTS OF RUSSIA…. Again they went to Russia, but that creates a big problem for you I would think.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — November 6, 2016 @ 8:54 am

    • You wrote: “THE JEWS UN ACCOUNTED FOR WENT INTO PARTS OF RUSSIA…. Again they went to Russia, but that creates a big problem for you I would think.”

      I agree with you. I think that the Jews were transported into Russia. I wrote about this on this blog post:
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/the-trains-that-traveled-west-to-treblinka/

      Comment by furtherglory — November 6, 2016 @ 9:03 am

    • We have the answer, they died. That’s why there are only two survivors on record. It’s again your job to provide the evidence that they went elsewhere. Well Jim? Where is the missing 18 million? The Jewish population should be around 32 million as of 2009, I again wait for your census.

      Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 2:27 pm

      • 32 million Jews in the world! Oh, Please!
        Imagine what the world would be like……Ahhhhhhhh!

        JR

        Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 6, 2016 @ 4:57 pm

        • Jim proves he cannot find them once again. And again he treats Jews as a parasitic cohesive body.

          Jim fails again to realize that Jews again are all a singularity for each person. Just as all people are, there is no cohesive body where everyone agrees about everything.

          A perfect example that Jews are not a cohesive body is the conflict between Haredim and Zionism.

          Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 5:07 pm

  2. I went to a real Jew source and read the Gerstein report….It’s hard to believe people can believe this stuff with a straight face….
    DH will have a problem with this because Gerstein talks about using diesel gas as the murder weapon….Sorry DH….I guess the liar Gerstein bested you on that one.. You can make up whatever story you want about the regular gas being used to fit your HoloHoax story.
    You do know some say the main way of killing people in Belzec was electrocution……funny how they don’t mention that today.
    There are only so many times you can lie before it catches up to you….of course there could be another Gerstein report that you use to get your information….I’m sure it’s not kosher though….maybe it comes from the Soviets…LOL

    For a good laugh go here…
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/gersteinrep.html

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — November 5, 2016 @ 11:51 am

    • At the end of his gloriously outrageous report – in which almost every single paragraph is full of side-splitting fun – Kurt Gerstein made the following solemn declaration;-

      ” All my statements are true, word-for-word. I am fully aware of the extraordinary tragedy of my record before God and the whole of mankind, and take it on my oath that nothing of all this that I have registered has been made-up or invented but everything is exactly the truth. Kurt Gerstein ”

      This must be the most hilarious paragraph of the lot!

      Comment by Talbot — November 5, 2016 @ 1:13 pm

      • The best fiction you can read…
        Gerstein definitely shoved it up their ass with the lies here. Great stuff for Holohuxsters to use to show how ridiculous their story is.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — November 5, 2016 @ 1:49 pm

      • A mining engineer like Kurt Gerstein opting for Diesel exhaust as a weapon of mass murder, was a clear mockery of his interviewers. And the part of his story about some Jews tightly packed in an airtight room during almost 3 hours without self-asphyxiation, was another good joke. The episode of Nazi leaders planning to “bury bronze plates on which it is recorded that we have had the courage to carry out this great and so necessary work” but finally opting for concealment (How convenient for people devoid of any physical evidence for even a fraction of their crazy claims !!) through obliteration cremations on large roasts, made me laugh a lot too.

        Comment by hermie — November 6, 2016 @ 8:02 am

        • Gerstein was the Head of Technical Disinfection Services and he didn’t say that the exhaust was deadly but that the CO2 it released was deadly. I am sure that you have read Provans essay on blue corpses? Correct? This aside though the witnesses whom say diesel was used are those whom were not directly involved in the gassing procedure. For Treblinka example the only survivor statement we have that could tell us the engine only gave the detail that it was a T-34 engine. This doesn’t give us much to work with as some early models of this tank were armed with M-17 engines.

          http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=229086#p229086

          As for one of the operators (aka Nikolay Shalayev) stated that it was a “four-cylinder engine which used gasoline” that was of “Russian make”.

          As for Belzec, the polish engineer whom installed the engine and a witness whom delivered cans of gas to the engine both state the engine was Petrol.

          And for sobibor the engine was identified as petrol by 3 guards.

          http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_9432.html

          Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 5:47 pm

          • DH in all my studying of Holohoax I understood it to be diesel gas as the murder weapon by the Holohuxsters until I started listening to your nonsense. No one I came across talked about diesel gas. I’m glad you came to your senses and now recognize something that never was used is your pet murder weapon.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — November 6, 2016 @ 6:06 pm

            • In all your time spent studying? Well the thing is Jim that your studying is based completely on scanning over the handbooks. Which means you have only seen Mattogno, Kues, and Grafs omission of such testimony.

              Though its funny to see you talking as if I have been claiming diesel was the murder weapon. All I have stated is that diesel exhaust contains at times enough carbon dioxide to kill people in its natural running state. This aside though the Germans obviously used Petrol, a stance I have not shifted from since I been commenting on FG’s blog. So I see a reason to continue to call you fucking idiot whom relies on strawmen to make an argument. You cannot make a case otherwise.

              Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 6:17 pm

              • You wrote: ” So I see a reason to continue to call you fucking idiot whom relies on strawmen to make an argument.”

                You constantly mix up who and whom in your comments. The word who is used for the subject of a sentence, and whom is used for the object of a sentence.

                The correct way to write your comment would be “To whom it may concern: I see a reason to continue to call you A fucking idiot WHO relies on strawmen to make an argument. You cannot make a case otherwise.”

                Comment by furtherglory — November 6, 2016 @ 6:32 pm

                • Thanks for the corrections, though it’s really irrelevant. Jim has constantly created false allegations that I have asserted that the AR camps have used diesel exhaust. Which is far from the truth.

                  Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 6:36 pm

              • The good news is the Germans didn’t use petrol they didn’t use diesel gas didn’t use ZB it’s all a scam to get Knuckleheads like you to believe that the Germans exterminated 6 million Jews bug spray. I think if we had a vote on this site you would go down in flames as having your head up your ass on your views of the HoloHoax.
                Just saying….

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — November 6, 2016 @ 7:10 pm

                • baseless statements from Jim the twat as always.

                  He again resorts to the idea that 6 million Jews were gassed with “bug spray”. Despite the pure idiocy of his own statement he doesn’t seem to understand that the gas HCN is a form of Cyanide and to be more specific is Hydrogen Cyanide something when in gas form is extremely deadly.

                  We as well see an appeal to popularity from Jim. He acts as though popular opinion from a holocaust denying source is somehow evidence of something. This again is a logical fallacy only again demonstrating that he is a damned fool forever.

                  https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

                  The thing is though, that I do not argue off such shrewd methods. I will continue to advocate that you are an idiot on the subject, only in defense and ‘revisionist’ shouldn’t follow your example.

                  Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 7:19 pm

          • Denying-History-Day-and-Night wrote: “Gerstein was the Head of Technical Disinfection Services and he didn’t say that the exhaust was deadly but that the CO2 it released was deadly.”

            That’s precisely because most Holocaust believers are complete retards who can’t even see the difference between CO2 (carbon dioxide) and CO (carbon monoxide) that science is always persona non grata in mainstream Holocaust ‘studies.’ I’m beginning to believe academic historians are just failed scientists who have opted for state-sponsored storytelling because of their poor intellectual abilities…

            D-H wrote: ” I am sure that you have read Provans essay on blue corpses? Correct? ”

            I haven’t. Why?

            D-H wrote: “For Treblinka example the only survivor statement we have… bla bla bla”

            Uninterested in Ufology and Bigfoot hunting. So stop wasting your time (and mine) and keep your testimonial BS for yourself.

            Comment by hermie — November 7, 2016 @ 8:06 am

            • “That’s precisely because most Holocaust believers are complete retards who can’t even see the difference between CO2 (carbon dioxide) and CO (carbon monoxide)”

              Thing is though, that the engines were quite clearly Petrol. This though is different from what I have said. Gurstein said that the high amount of CO2 was the piece that killed.

              “I haven’t. Why?”

              I was curious how much you actually read on the issue outside of Burg and Mattogno.

              “Uninterested in Ufology and Bigfoot hunting. So stop wasting your time (and mine) and keep your testimonial BS for yourself.”

              keep up with that Canard and get back to me when you can make a strong case.

              Comment by Denying-History — November 7, 2016 @ 8:35 am

              • D-H wrote: “Thing is though, that the engines were quite clearly Petrol. This though is different from what I have said. Gurstein said that the high amount of CO2 was the piece that killed.”

                Did Gerstein really say that? Feel free to quote him on that one. If he did, that was just another Kolossal mockery and scientific nonsense. A second layer of fun.

                D-H wrote: “I was curious how much you actually read on the issue outside of Burg and Mattogno.”

                I still have to read a few bible ‘studies’ by him before reading the enormous scientific contributions from Pr. Provan.😉

                D-H wrote: “keep up with that Canard and get back to me when you can make a strong case.”

                Funny comment from somebody entirely basing his claims on Ufological and Cryptozoological ‘evidence.’

                Comment by hermie — November 7, 2016 @ 8:42 pm

                • “Did Gerstein really say that? Feel free to quote him on that one. If he did, that was just another Kolossal mockery and scientific nonsense. A second layer of fun.”

                  It’s in Provans essay, nore is it nonsense. Co2 that is at 10% or over is deadly.

                  http://holocaust.skeptik.net/documents/provan_dieselblue.html

                  “I still have to read a few bible ‘studies’ by him before reading the enormous scientific contributions from Pr. Provan. ;-)”

                  Bible studies huh? Sounds like you are being taught by Jim.😉

                  “Funny comment from somebody entirely basing his claims on Ufological and Cryptozoological ‘evidence.’”

                  Lol Zundel dabbled into the idea of Nazi UFO’s. I guess by the logic your provide that all of Zundel’s writings are bunk.

                  This aside, just because witness testimony can be involved in areas like UFOlogy and the absurdity of it all, doesn’t mean that all uses of eyewitnesses are bunk.

                  Comment by Denying-History — November 8, 2016 @ 9:07 am

                • D-H wrote: “It’s in Provans essay, nore is it nonsense. Co2 that is at 10% or over is deadly.”

                  Everything, even water and oxygen, is toxic and deadly at a sufficiently high concentration (see the “The dose makes the poison” basic principle of toxicology). Changes nothing to the fact that CO2 is a dumb weapon of mass murder and ORTHODOX history claims CO, not CO2, was the weapon used for that alleged mass murder in the AR gas chambers.

                  D-H wrote: “Bible studies huh? Sounds like you are being taught by Jim.”

                  Didn’t know Provan was a theologian? Huh, why am I not surprised?

                  D-H wrote: “Lol Zundel dabbled into the idea of Nazi UFO’s. I guess by the logic your provide that all of Zundel’s writings are bunk.”

                  Note there exist blueprints of Nazi UFO’s while there exist no blueprints of Nazi homicidal gas chambers. Documentary evidence >> Nazi UFO’s: 1 – Nazi homicidal gas chambers: 0

                  D-H wrote: “This aside, just because witness testimony can be involved in areas like UFOlogy and the absurdity of it all, doesn’t mean that all uses of eyewitnesses are bunk.”

                  …while many fictional things were ‘proved’ by testimonial ‘evidence.’ The Nazi homicidal gas chambers are at best as proved as bigfoots, witchcraft, ghosts, Marian apparitions, Jesus’s miracles, the German homicidal gas chambers of WW1, Fairies, the German human-fat soap factories of WW1, elves, trolls, and the Loch Ness monster…

                  Comment by hermie — November 9, 2016 @ 8:03 am

      • No one denies Gurstein exaggerated. You again show the same waste of time as always.

        As for him saying it was diesel, “It is not even clear if Gerstein ever saw the engine himself. So Gerstein’s testimony alone cannot be used to establish the type of the engine.”

        http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-diesel-issue-is-irrelevant.html?m=0

        You should as well understand that Gurstein wrote 3 reports… Again demonstrating your understanding.

        Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 2:36 pm

  3. You wrote: “Can you imagine if the Jews used used this type of reasoning for the World Trade Center where those buildings went down.”

    I believe that the World Trade Center buildings were wired to come down. I have blogged about this. One of the buildings that came down was not hit.

    Comment by furtherglory — November 5, 2016 @ 11:22 am

  4. Jewish Holocaust historian Bonnie M. Harris (http://www.bonniesbiz.com/) wrote: “No significant physical evidence of the victims was ever to be found at the site and the transport lists were also destroyed.”

    500,000-600,000 dead bodies just vaporized without a trace? Waw! What a laughable conspiracy theory…

    Jewish Holocaust historian Bonnie M. Harris wrote: “The victims of Belzec died in an anonymous mass and only two official survivors of the camp lived to provide post-war testimonies of life and death at Belzec.”

    Not so bad. But with more numerous witness testimonies, the Belzec conspiracy theory might have met the evidential standards of Ufology and Bigfoot hunting.

    Comment by hermie — November 5, 2016 @ 11:06 am

    • You wrote: “Jewish Holocaust historian Bonnie M. Harris …”

      I am grateful that Ms. Harris sent me lots of photos and information. I suspect that she is a Holocaust denier, but she can not admit it because she is Jewish.

      Comment by furtherglory — November 5, 2016 @ 11:18 am

      • FG wrote: “I suspect that she is a Holocaust denier, but she can not admit it because she is Jewish.”

        Or perhaps she just thought that you were a Holocaust believer (maybe you were still a Holocaust believer at that time) and she wanted to help you because of that. Not everybody always understands your sarcastic articles and comments after all.

        Comment by hermie — November 6, 2016 @ 7:19 am

  5. An SS officer, named Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, gave his interrogators the following testimony about what he witnessed at Belzec. But the following extract will show us the absurdities and poor quality of his evidence;-

    “…the whole extermination centre looked just like a normal delousing institution…” – ( probably because it was precisely that. )

    “…there were 6 chambers, with a Star of David above the door, and pots of geraniums…” ( Oh my goodness, this “extermination facility” seems to have been a weird combination of delousing chamber, synagogue, and garden centre.)

    Mr Pfannenstiel claims there were 6 separate gas chambers. ( But other witnesses give different numbers – some say 3, some say 5, other says 10. Take your pick everyone!. And surely the presence of a large Star of David placed right above the door would cause more than just a murmur of consternation to the poor innocent Jews about to enter. Because they were all naked – with their heads shaved – thinking that they were about to enter a bath-house in order to take a shower. So what would be the purpose of a putting a religious symbol above the door ?. And then you have to ask yourself, whether they dismantled the Star of David and replaced it with an emblem of a Romany caravan when the gypsies came to be exterminated. )

    The former SS officer goes on to say the following;- “…when the people had been locked up inside the room, after a short time, the glass on the peep-hole began to steam-up…” ( Now, I can’t get my head around the idea that anyone would design a door with a peep-hole, knowing that within a few moments of the door being sealed shut, it would be utterly useless, because it would have misted-up with condensation from the inside ).

    “…the motor switched on – from a 100? HP engine…” ( He’s got no idea of how many horse power – so he decides to satisfy his interrogators with some technical garbage, but ensures he has a got “get out clause” by adding the question mark.)

    “…and then I suppose the stop valves or vents into the chamber opened – whether they were stop valves or vents I wouldn’t like to say. It is possible that the pipe led directly to the chamber…” ( what kind of speculative nonsense is this? He contradicts himself in the same sentence, and uses phrases like “I suppose”; “I wouldn’t like to say”; “it is possible” ).

    “…The gassing took 12 minutes..”. ( What! – he is seriously telling us that 6 large rooms crammed with people could all be killed by vehicle exhaust fumes in just 12 minutes. Yes – I’ve got fairies living down at the bottom of my garden too! ).

    He goes on to talk about the alleged burial of the victims;-

    “…When the grave was full; petrol, or it may have been some other flammable liquid, was poured on the bodies…” ( Once again, he realises the craziness of what he is being asked to explain to his interrogators, so he resorts to speculation just to fend them off ).

    If Mr Pfannenstiel came out with this sort of testimony in a properly constituted court of law, then he would have been rigorously cross-examined closely. His speculations and uncertainties would then have to be confirmed and corroborated by other sources, or otherwise his evidence would collapse in fits of laughter.

    Comment by Talbot — November 5, 2016 @ 10:41 am

  6. Typical Holohoax spin…. you will also notice that that they put rocks around the site just like they did at Treblinka so you could not do a thorough investigation again this is how the Jews do it…. they don’t want you to find the truth out and they stop you from finding it by making the site off-limits to truthful forensic examination… of course we revisionists don’t have to prove the Holocaust happen we just know it didn’t.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — November 5, 2016 @ 10:35 am

    • You wrote: “you will also notice that that they put rocks around the site just like they did at Treblinka so you could not do a thorough investigation”

      You are correct. Both Treblinka and Belzec were transit camps. Both have been covered with rocks so that no one can dig there and find that there are no bodies buried there.

      Comment by furtherglory — November 5, 2016 @ 10:41 am

      • Can you imagine if the Jews used used this type of reasoning for the World Trade Center where those buildings went down.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — November 5, 2016 @ 10:58 am

        • “Can you imagine if the Jews used this type of reasoning for the World Trade Center where those buildings went down.”

          Jim again proves how his reasoning works. If there is stones over it then it never happened.

          Guess he doesn’t believe the WTC’s fell. Or that is at least what one can imply from his reasoning here. He’s most likely going to tell us next that planes never hit the buildings and that the Jews planted explosives.

          Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 3:13 pm

      • You wrote: “You are correct. Both Treblinka and Belzec were transit camps.”

        FG, where did all these people transit to?

        Comment by Anonymouse — November 5, 2016 @ 2:37 pm

        • You wrote: “where did all these people transit to?”

          I explained that on this blog post:
          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/the-story-of-treblinka-transit-camp-or-extermination-center/

          Long story, short: they went into what is now the Soviet Union, formerly Russia.

          Comment by furtherglory — November 5, 2016 @ 2:43 pm

          • You wrote: “Long story, short: they went into what is now the Soviet Union, formerly Russia”

            Where exactly in the Soviet Union? Where did they settle?.

            Your link to a previous blog post merely gives the history of the camp, not any answer to my question to you.

            I think you meant to say “Long story, short: they went into what is now Russia, formerly the Soviet Union.” ?

            Comment by Anonymouse — November 5, 2016 @ 3:47 pm

            • You wrote: “I think you meant to say “Long story, short: they went into what is now Russia, formerly the Soviet Union.”

              Yes, you are correct. There have been TV ads, asking for money for starving people in Russia. One of the starving women had a concentration camp tattoo on her arm. That part of the ad has been cut out, since the Jews deny that Jews were sent into the Soviet Union, which is now Russia.

              Comment by furtherglory — November 5, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

              • You wrote “part of the ad has been cut out, since the Jews deny that Jews were sent into the Soviet Union, which is now Russia”

                A TV ad is not really evidence that the Jews were transited to the old Soviet Union from Belzec, Treblinka and Sobibor is it?

                You are constantly stating that you believe that these were transit camps, yet you don’t provide any evidence to support this ‘theory’

                So I’ll ask you again “Where exactly in the Soviet Union? Where did they settle?”

                Comment by Anonymouse — November 6, 2016 @ 12:54 pm

                • That’s a common trend for most deniers. They cannot explain where the Jews went or where the missing population growth went.

                  Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 3:06 pm

                • You wrote: “That’s a common trend for most deniers. They cannot explain where the Jews went or where the missing population growth went.”

                  Ask David Irving where the Jews went. I wrote about where the Jews went on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/did-6-million-jews-really-die-in-the-holocaust-not-according-to-david-irving/

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 6, 2016 @ 3:14 pm

                • Irving says they died as well. As a fact Irving even says more Jews died in the AR camps then the ‘Kosher’ version. 2.2 million to be exact. By this reasoning Irving must include Majdanek as a death camp considering he marks the numbers on the Höfle telegram as deaths from extermination centers. If he does this then he also has to do the same for Chelmno.

                  This again based on Irving’s own math means that deniers have to account for 2,345,300 million Jews.

                  Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 3:21 pm

                • You wrote: “Irving says they died as well. As a fact Irving even says more Jews died in the AR camps then the ‘Kosher’ version. 2.2 million to be exact.”

                  David Irving has changed his tune, so that he can sell his books. I have met David Irving twice and I have heard him speak. You can read about him at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 6, 2016 @ 6:20 pm

                • Irving did change his stance… And it wasn’t so he could sell his books. The idea is that he became convinced slowly after the release of the Höfle telegram.

                  Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 6:23 pm

                • You wrote: “The idea that he became convinced slowly after the release of the Höfle telegram.”

                  I wrote about the Höfle telegram on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/does-the-famous-hoefle-telegram-prove-the-holocaust/

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 6, 2016 @ 6:57 pm

                • FG, a single document does not prove the event… It’s all the evidence when considered as a whole.

                  Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 6:59 pm

    • maybe Jim could explain Kolas findings.

      Comment by Denying-History — November 6, 2016 @ 2:24 pm


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