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December 21, 2016

“Hitler: The Monster” on AHC

Filed under: Germany, TV shows, Uncategorized, World War II — furtherglory @ 11:05 am

Last night, I watched the most recent episode of the new six-part Hitler series. This episode was entitled “Hitler:The Monster”.  Including this episode, which ends with the Allied D-Day invasion of Normandy, on June 6th 1944, I have now seen five of the six episodes in the series.

One interesting aspect of this series is that it addresses the issue of the fact that there is little or no evidence, in the written German records of the time period, that Hitler ordered the Holocaust.  This idea was first brought to light by the research of David Irving, when he offered a cash bonus to anybody who could find a written order from Hitler regarding the Holocaust. Irving’s offer was considered a serious act of Holocaust Denial.

The show never mentions David Irving, nor introduces the topic of Holocaust denial.  Yet, on the latest episode of the show, a whole group of Holocaust historians basically admitted that Irving was right.  Maybe all these Historians should be put in jail; if they get a lawyer and try to defend themselves, their lawyer should be put in jail as well.  They have, in part, vindicated the notorious Holocaust denier David Irving!

The show does point out that Hitler MAY have had dinner with Himmler. On the show, there is speculation that Hitler and Himmler MAY have discussed the Holocaust; however the reenactment does not include any dialog, so we don’t know what they MAY have discussed.

This latest episode does show a lot of footage about Hitler’s time spent in the Wolf’s Lair when he was commanding the battles on the Eastern front.  The show emphasizes the time that Hitler spent training his dog at the Wolf’s Lair.  Also discussed, in great detail, is how Hitler had a tendency to micromanage military efforts on the Russian front.

Ominously, at one point, there is a map shown, which shows a red arrow pointing to Stalingrad.  Those of us who already know the story, knew what was going to happen, but this part of the show was really aimed at young people, who might never have learned about Stalingrad until now.

While the show made no mention of the German defeat in North Africa at around the same time, it did a pretty good job of explaining that Stalingrad is viewed, in my opinion correctly, as a major turning point of World War II.

The show has a lot of history to cover, in just six hours, so it couldn’t cover everything, but I was a little sad to see that the issue that it was believed that Stalingrad could have been resupplied by air was not discussed.

A topic, that was also not discussed very well, was the issue of why Hitler was micromanaging his dog, and his troops on the eastern front, but he seemed to delegate most of the daily Holocaust operation, to Himmler.  To me, the show seemed to imply that Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers, by micromanaging some aspects of the war and not micromanaging others, including not micromanaging the Holocaust enough to even leave a paper trail.  No clear interpretation for this differing degree of micromanagement phenomenon was offered, and it was not explained that alternative theories could well result in jail time for their proponents.

 

 

15 Comments »

  1. So when does the 6 part mini series,”Stalin:the monster” come out?

    Comment by Tim — December 26, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

  2. I guess I’m a hater now…If you don’t believe in the 6 million figure that makes you a hater too.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/21/these-4-factors-trigger-anti-semitic-hate-crimes-in-the-u-s/?utm_term=.f8510c09819b

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — December 21, 2016 @ 8:41 pm

    • Jimbo. Who’s gives a shit what the “The Post” has to say. They ain’t nothing but trouble making liberal pukes.

      Comment by Tim — December 26, 2016 @ 2:04 pm

  3. It is worth pointing out that the Rosenberg “Diaries” and Rosenberg’s writings during the
    Nuremberg Trial also confirm that Hitler did not give an order for the mass murder of
    European Jews and was not involved in any murderous planning.

    The recovery of the Rosenberg Diary was announced with great fanfare in June 2013. The documents had been stolen from the Court records of the Nuremberg Tribunal by the notorious Robert Kempner. The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Department of Justice recovered 425 loose pages covering the period from Spring 1936 to Winter 1944.

    Robert Wittman, one of the authors of The Devil’s Diary: Alfred Rosenberg and the Stolen Secrets of the Third Reich, admitted in an interview,
    “There is no place in the diary where we have Rosenberg or Hitler saying that the Jews should be exterminated,”… “All it said was ‘move them out of Europe.’ ”

    There is also a brief statement in the book at page 174,
    “For all his public rants against Jews, Rosenberg rarely dwelled on the central Nazi obsession when he picked up his fountain pen and added to his growing private diary.”
    This comment was immediately followed with, “It was though he [Rosenberg] considered it a topic barely worth considering, a battle all but won with the Nazi takeover.” But this spin makes no sense: When the National Socialists gained control of the government, they needed to consider what policies they were going to implement: Quite the opposite of what Kinney and Wittman suggest. Other than this explanation there is no discussion of why the “central Nazi obsession” was missing from Rosenberg’s private diary: A strange lacuna given the subject of the book.

    Rosenberg made the following statement at Nuremberg:
    The thought of a physical annihilation of Slavs and Jews, that is to say, the actual murder of entire peoples, has never entered my mind and I most certainly did not advocate it in any way. I was of the opinion that the existing Jewish question would have to be solved by the creation of a minority right, by emigration, or by settling the Jews in a national territory over a ten-year period of time.

    Comment by david Merlin — December 21, 2016 @ 7:19 pm

    • Quote..
      Rosenberg made the following statement at Nuremberg:
      The thought of a physical annihilation of Slavs and Jews, that is to say, the actual murder of entire peoples, has never entered my mind and I most certainly did not advocate it in any way. I was of the opinion that the existing Jewish question would have to be solved by the creation of a minority right, by emigration, or by settling the Jews in a national territory over a ten-year period of time.

      Exactly!

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — December 21, 2016 @ 8:03 pm

  4. Furtherglory wrote: “On the latest episode of the show, a whole group of Holocaust historians admitted that Irving was right. Maybe all these Historians should be put in jail; if they get a lawyer and try to defend themselves, their lawyer should be put in jail as well. ”

    No, they shouldn’t. They’re out for damage control, explaining to US citizens that the ‘Holocaust’ is indeed a groundless conspiracy theory based on ‘court’ hearsays and imaginative storytelling but that it happened nevertheless because we’re said again and again that it actually did…and also because Israel’s security matters.

    Furtherglory wrote: “A topic, that was also not discussed very well, was the issue of why Hitler […] seemed to delegate most of the daily Holocaust operation, to Himmler. The one theory, that was advanced, was that Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers, by not leaving a paper trail for the Holocaust. No other interpretation was offered”

    Did they say that? Really?! A quotation would be welcomed…

    The Holohoax is such a grotesque conspiracy theory. Amazing !!

    Comment by hermie — December 21, 2016 @ 3:06 pm

    • Hermie, you made some outstanding statements in your comment, so I have updated my blog post to clarify some of your concerns.

      You wrote “Furtherglory wrote: “A topic, that was also not discussed very well, was the issue of why Hitler […] seemed to delegate most of the daily Holocaust operation, to Himmler. The one theory, that was advanced, was that Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers, by not leaving a paper trail for the Holocaust. No other interpretation was offered”

      In my new update of the blog post, I have tried to make it more clear that what I was objecting to, in the TV show, was Hitler’s unexplained lack of consistency in micro-management. The show claimed that Hitler’s need to micromanage his dog’s behavior and the troop movements on the Russian front, while he was at the Wolf’s lair, was due to inherent personality traits, yet when it came to the Holocaust, his management style changed from Micromanagement, to complete delegation, which seemed to me to be a contradiction. I meant to say that the show gave me the impression that Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers, by not leaving a paper trail for the Holocaust. This was my impression, not a direct quote from the show.

      I have only been able to watch the show once because it is not yet available on demand, however I will be happy to supply quotations as soon as on demand becomes available. It would help you to understand better what I was trying to say about the show if you get a chance to watch it!

      Comment by furtherglory — December 22, 2016 @ 11:20 am

      • Furtherglory wrote: “In my new update of the blog post, I have tried to make it more clear that what I was objecting to, in the TV show, was Hitler’s unexplained lack of consistency in micro-management. The show claimed that Hitler’s need to micromanage his dog’s behavior and the troop movements on the Russian front, while he was at the Wolf’s lair, was due to inherent personality traits, yet when it came to the Holocaust, his management style changed from Micromanagement, to complete delegation, which seemed to me to be a contradiction. I meant to say that the show gave me the impression that Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers, by not leaving a paper trail for the Holocaust.”

        I had realized that you were being sarcastic with your “Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers.” I just wanted to emphasize that the alleged secrecy of the ‘Holocaust’ is in fact a concession of lack of documentary and physical evidence on the part of state-sponsored storytellers (academic historians and mainstream media).

        FG wrote: “This was my impression, not a direct quote from the show.”

        It’s a shame because I love such concessions.

        FG wrote: “I have only been able to watch the show once because it is not yet available on demand, however I will be happy to supply quotations as soon as on demand becomes available. It would help you to understand better what I was trying to say about the show if you get a chance to watch it!”

        Would be great…

        Comment by hermie — December 23, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

  5. The game plan was….. Hitler was going to direct his attention on what to do with the Jews after the war…..he wanted them out of Germany case closed! He felt use them while you got them, but get rid of them later to allow peace and harmony to flow throughout the Reich after they are gone. With them there there would always be problems. Just look at the world now with them running the show.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — December 21, 2016 @ 3:06 pm

  6. FG wrote;- ” The show does point out that Hitler MAY have had dinner with Himmler. On the show, there is speculation that Hitler and Himmler MAY have discussed the Holocaust; however the reenactment does not include any dialog, so we don’t know what they MAY have discussed. ”

    So, the genesis of this weird holocaust event comes out of a dinner meeting that may have occurred (but we are not really sure!) between Hitler and Himmler. But even if Hitler did give a verbal order to the Reichsfuehrer at this mysterious dinner date, there are still no documents, or written orders, that Himmler would – by necessity – have to pass on to his immediate subordinates, nor any evidence to prove that they then handed such orders down through the chain of command.

    Everything seems to have been done by verbal communication – or maybe even Chinese whispers!

    FG goes on to say ” The one theory, that was advanced, was that Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers, by not leaving a paper trail for the Holocaust “.

    Now that must be the most asinine theory that anyone could possibly dream up to explain away the total absence of any documented proof for a “holocaust”.

    Can anyone imagine that the German leader – busy at the Wolf’s Lair, directing a major world war – would calculate to himself that not only did he have this overwhelming desire to trick and confuse historians: but maybe sometime in the far distant future there might be groups of people called holocaust deniers who would be able to pour doubts on his devilish plan of genocide. Therefore, he would cunningly refrain from passing on any orders in the form of written directives, and instead, just drop a few hints and some mutterings at informal dinner gatherings.

    Comment by Talbot — December 21, 2016 @ 12:00 pm

    • Talbot wrote: “Can anyone imagine that the German leader – busy at the Wolf’s Lair, directing a major world war – would calculate to himself that not only did he have this overwhelming desire to trick and confuse historians: but maybe sometime in the far distant future there might be groups of people called holocaust deniers who would be able to pour doubts on his devilish plan of genocide. Therefore, he would cunningly refrain from passing on any orders in the form of written directives, and instead, just drop a few hints and some mutterings at informal dinner gatherings.”

      No, I can’t. I tried, but I can’t. This is too ridiculous. I’m not a conspiracy theorist.

      Even more ridiculous when you know that their alleged Holocaust was in most Allied newspapers during WW2, from 1942 on. (No surprise, that’s where atrocity propaganda is supposed to be: in newspapers.) I like thinking about Hitler eating a croissant and telepathically ordering mass killings while a foreign newspaper ‘reporting’ his alleged massacres lies (in both meanings of the word) on his breakfast table. 😉

      Comment by hermie — December 21, 2016 @ 3:24 pm

  7. a written order

    Lack of a written order is one thing — that could be, and no doubt has been, explained away by saying it is due to the German obsession with secrecy re everything around the ‘Holocaust’ (funny how members of the ‘Sonderkommando’ survived though) — what’s more interesting is that no significant, convincing evidence of the ‘Holocaust’ is present in any of the large number of intercepted encoded German messages: During the war, British cryptologists decrypted a vast number of messages enciphered on Enigma. The intelligence gleaned from this source, codenamed “Ultra” by the British, was a substantial aid to the Allied war effort.

    Comment by eah — December 21, 2016 @ 11:58 am

      • The Wikipedia entry for Rudolf Hoess says the following;-

        ” In June 1941, according to Höss’s trial testimony, he was summoned to Berlin for a meeting with Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler “to receive personal orders”.[16] Himmler told Höss that Hitler had given the order for the final solution of the Jewish question. According to Höss, Himmler had selected Auschwitz for the extermination of Europe’s Jews, “on account of its easy access by rail and also because the extensive site offered space for measures ensuring isolation”. Himmler described the project as a “secret Reich matter” and told Höss not to speak about it with SS-Gruppenführer Richard Glücks, head of the Nazi camp system run by the SS-Totenkopfverbände.[16] Höss said that “no one was allowed to speak about these matters with any person and that everyone promised upon his life to keep the utmost secrecy”.

        But the Wikipedia entry for Richard Glucks claims this;-

        ” Just a few days after the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, Himmler ordered [ SS-Gruppenfuhrer Richard ]Glücks to prepare the camps for the immediate arrival of 100,000 Jewish men and 50,000 women being evacuated from the Reich as labourers in lieu of the diminishing availability of Russian prisoners.[13] In July 1942, he participated in a planning meeting with Himmler on the topic of medical experiments on camp inmates.[14] From several visits to the Auschwitz concentration camps, Glücks was well aware of the mass murders and other atrocities committed there. Correspondingly, Auschwitz Kommandant Rudolf Höss routinely informed Glücks on the status of the extermination activities.[15] During one of his inspection-tour visits to Auschwitz in 1943, Glücks complained about the unfavorable location of the crematoria since all types of people would be able to “gaze” at the structures.

        It would appear, therefore, that although Hoess was expressly forbidden by Himmler not to speak about the exterminations at Auschwitz to Glucks; he went ahead anyway, and “routinely” informed Glucks about the status of the mass killing operations.

        I think its time that Wikipedia and its contributors got their fairy stories straight – otherwise how on earth are they going to get people to believe a single word of what they are saying.

        Comment by Talbot — December 21, 2016 @ 2:19 pm

  8. UTTERLY RIDICULOUS – talk about a creative psychopathic reach: “A topic, that was also not discussed very well, was the issue of why Hitler was micromanaging his dog, and his troops on the eastern front, but he seemed to delegate most of the daily Holocaust operation, to Himmler. The one theory, that was advanced, was that Hitler wanted to confuse later historians and give credence to future Holocaust deniers, by not leaving a paper trail for the Holocaust. No other interpretation was offered, and it was not explained that alternative theories could well result in jail time for their proponents.”

    Too much “credit” is given to the Fuehrer about the Jews. AGAIN, HE DESPISED THE JEWS FOR THEIR NASTY, SABOTAGING, INSIDIOUS WAYS AND WANTED THEM OUT OF THE REICH – out of sight, out of mind. He couldn’t give a flying rat’s ass about them, once they were out of the Reich except to make sure they didn’t return.

    Comment by Diane King — December 21, 2016 @ 11:49 am


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