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January 2, 2017

Pressac says that the Germans used dummy shower heads inside the Dachau gas chamber

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized, World War II — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 3:54 pm

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I took the photo above when I visited the Dachau memorial site. This was the last remaining shower head inside the alleged gas chamber. All the others had been stolen by tourists.

Note that the shower head in the photo above was smashed by a visitor to the Dachau camp.

You can read about Pressac in a recent news article at http://www.5280.com/news/magazine/2016/12/honor-international-holocaust-remembrance-day-boulder

If you have never heard of Jean Claude Pressac, this means that you have never studied the Holocaust.

The news article begins with the following quote:

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Between 1933 and 1945, Nazi Germany killed about six million Jews. Nothing will ever adequately answer the question “Why?”—but the Mazal Holocaust Collection, one of the largest private Holocaust archives in the country, provides some clues. In 2014, the daughter of the late Harry Mazal, a Texas businessman, gifted her father’s library to the Program in Jewish Studies at the University of Colorado Boulder. And with January 27 being International Holocaust Remembrance Day, there’s no more appropriate time to explore the collection.

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You can read about the late Henry Mazel at https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/ahro

I have visited the Dachau memorial site several times, and I have a large section about Dachau on my website at:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/index.html

The news article also includes the following quote:

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American forces liberated the [concentration] camp at Dachau on April 29, 1945. Two days later, a congressional committee toured the site. Its report unveiled the terrors committed there in grim detail: As Allied forces closed in on Germany, the Nazis relocated captives by train to Dachau. “[A]t least 100 of these civilian prisoners had been jammed into each [of the 50 cars]—locked in—and they had been on the road for several days without food or water. Approximately 3,000 of them were dead upon arrival.”

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I wrote about the Dachau “death train” on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/DeathTrain.html

You can read more about the Dachau camp on this section of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/index.html


66 Comments »

  1. Blake wrote: “The Degesh machines depletes the pellets in about 5-10 minutes.”

    Hermie wrote: 5-10 minutes seems very short. Anyway, no Degesch machine was used for such alleged gassings, nor for any alleged homicidal gassing anywhere (what is dumb and laughable in itself).

    Fritz Berg thinks it would take about 3 minutes. I think it would take about 10 minutes.

    The matter is analogous to how long it would take water to evaporate off soaked wood pellets in a 100 some degree celsius oven (or over 212F). I should probably do this experiment to see how long that would take.

    Comment by blake121666 — January 8, 2017 @ 10:20 am

  2. As surprising as it may seem today, a few years after the miraculous resurrection of the legendary Dachau [homicidal] gas chamber, in 1982, a British politician (Labour MP Tony Benn) was compelled to apologize to British Jewry after referring to this nonexistent facility in a political analogy because his historically-erroneous comment had made a number of British Jews furious.

    “Mr Benn should have known better. For one thing, as furious leaders of Britain’s Jewish community pointed out, there were no [homicidal] gas chambers at Dachau. The president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Mr Greville Janner, who is also MP for Leicester West, said he had received many protests. “It was a phrase which caused considerable offence: first because it was incredibly inept, second because it was inaccurate,” he said.” – “Benn’s rhetoric angers Jews”, The Sydney Morning Herald, Monday, February 1, 1982, p.4. (https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VoVWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=o-YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3303%2C21811)

    Who could have expected that we still be talking about this specific piece of Allied atrocity propaganda 35 years later?!?

    Comment by hermie — January 4, 2017 @ 9:03 pm

    • It seems the reporter misunderstood the issue. There were never claimed to have been MASS homicidal gas chambers in Dachau – just an experimental one. And therefore Mr. Benn’s statement of “Their role could be likened to the Jews in Dachau who herded other Jews into the gas chambers.” was objected to by the Jewish community. Reporter error on this one – not uncommon with WWII details like this.

      Comment by blake121666 — January 5, 2017 @ 12:47 am

      • Nothing but the usual and unimpressive exterminationist pirouette systematically performed when Holohoaxers are caught with their pants down. The laughable damage control trick of “Oops. We didn’t lie. We’ve only been mistaken and/or misunderstood. Sorry for this one. Won’t happen again. Promised.” A classic. A pathetic classic…

        Blake wrote: “It seems the reporter misunderstood the issue.”

        Hilarious!!!!

        Blake wrote: ” There were never claimed to have been MASS homicidal gas chambers in Dachau – just an experimental one.”

        Liar. Liar. Liar.

        Of course it was claimed a mass slaughter took place in the nonexistent homicidal gas chamber(s) in Dachau.

        At Nuremberg…

        In newspapers…


        The Bonham Daily Favorite, Feb 26, 1960

        Not only the Soviets needed fictional devils for the bamboozlement of their own masses. Uncle Sam also needed his own Capitals of Absolute Evil, i.e. alleged Nazi killing factories, for atrocity propaganda purposes. The stake was far from insignificant (the purpose of the war itself !!). How does a guy know he’s the good guy if there are no bad guys around? Devils were needed and devils were provided.

        Comment by hermie — January 5, 2017 @ 7:53 am

      • There were people who outright lied about the Dachau so called “Gas Chamber”…..I posted this already but for those who are hard of hearing, seeing, existing….
        Very extensive article about what really happened.
        http://codoh.com/library/document/2582/

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — January 5, 2017 @ 11:41 am

  3. If the Brausebad at Dachau wasn’t a shower room, where were the inmates showered? Was there another shower room in that camp?

    Comment by hermie — January 4, 2017 @ 8:15 am

    • You wrote: “Was there another shower room in that [Dachau] camp?

      Yes, there was at least one other shower room. I have a photo of it at
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/photo-of-a-real-shower-room-at-dachau-not-a-gas-chamber/

      Note that the shower heads are hanging down from pipes on the ceiling. The Dachau gas chamber has a lowered ceiling and the shower heads are stuck in the ceiling, not hanging from pipes.

      This shower room has been converted into a museum room and the pipes are no longer there.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 4, 2017 @ 8:57 am

      • I remember this old photo. What were the adjacent rooms in this building? Rooms related to delousing procedures and hygiene in general?

        Comment by hermie — January 4, 2017 @ 6:42 pm

        • The building is claimed to have had its room’s functions change in the time it was around. Originally, the room claimed to now have been the “gas chamber” was a mortuary with hanging lights and normal doors. And the adjoining rooms served other functions then what they became – I think one was built to have been an autopsy room. Then Dr. Rascher (the guy behind the well-known airmen experiments at Dachau) intended to test gasses in the room. Consequently one of the doors was removed, the 2 side doors were modified to be tight-fitting steel doors, lighting was installed recessed into the top of the walls, … etc. Stuff like that is claimed. Then the adjoining rooms were said to have been an undressing room and a morgue room.

          Read the Mattogno article. You don’t happen to be fluent in Italian by any chance, do you? I have trouble making out a number of things in that article.

          Comment by blake121666 — January 5, 2017 @ 12:57 am

          • I was referring to the other shower room (and its adjacent rooms), not to the hilarious exterminationist experimental gas chamber of damage control.

            Blake wrote: “Read the Mattogno article. You don’t happen to be fluent in Italian by any chance, do you? I have trouble making out a number of things in that article.”

            No, I’m not. I’m fluent in French and not that bad in Dutch and English. But I don’t speak or understand Italian.

            Comment by hermie — January 5, 2017 @ 8:01 am

    • No one has ever alleged the alleged showers to were general inmate showers. What would inmate showers be doing in the crematorium/delousing building? Those postulating showers in that building assumed them to have been for the crematoria workers.

      Comment by blake121666 — January 4, 2017 @ 5:36 pm

      • Blake wrote: “What would inmate showers be doing in the crematorium/delousing building?”

        Showering inmates in a crematorium would have had the benefit of supplying large amounts of hot water, heated by the ovens (heat wasted otherwise), for this salutary task. This is called cogeneration. Such a method was used in other places such as the Struthof-Natzweiler camp e.g. (if memory serves me right). Moreover the benefit from a shower room located right next to delousing gas chambers, is obvious with a view to effective action against typhus epidemics. Cremating dead bodies, showering inmates and delousing their clothes were all part of the struggle against typhus and other epidemics in concentration camps after all. So why not gather all these facilities within the same area or even within the same building?

        Comment by hermie — January 4, 2017 @ 7:11 pm

        • There was a boiler room directly below the alleged “gas chamber” in the basement (or cellar – whichever term you prefer). The whole building was heated by hot water from there. There is alleged to have been a heat exchanger in the attic above the alleged “gas chamber”. That is what the insulated duct-work was attached to.

          I think the Germans had experimented with such dual-use for crematory heat with no success. I don’t recall what queered things, but vaguely remember that such schemes never tended to work out as wished. They could have very well attempted such a thing here. I have very vague recollections that they in fact did try this in this very building. I don’t recall where I came across that info though.

          I’ve been perusing that Mattogno article again due to a bout of insomnia. Looking at the attic pictures suggests that the ceiling was not lowered by the Americans in a mere couple days. The way in which that ceiling is lower than its neighboring rooms and all of the ductwork, fans, … etc sitting up there (which we have the video 3 days after liberation showing these things in what is being referred to here as the “Engineering Room”) makes that hypothesis so implausible as to be impossible. The truss sitting on the wall between the 2 rooms and the framing around it – taking into account the sunken ceiling is a major project all by itself. That attic space’s structural supports would not be designed or built that way in a mere 2-3 days. That ceiling was built low to begin with. You’d have to change the whole framing of the roof to end up with what is there. The ceiling was built low – originally and by design.

          Comment by blake121666 — January 5, 2017 @ 1:20 am

          • Heating a building and heating water for hot showers are 2 different matters. One can have a boiler to heat a building AND a system connected to crematory ovens to heat water for showers. Fueling the boiler had a cost while the production of hot water from crematory ovens was 100% free. As I wrote above, the heat generated by the crematory ovens would have been wasted otherwise. So it made sense to use it for the production of hot water for some showers.

            Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 9:18 am

            • There’s not much evidence there were showers in the building other than dummy shower heads stuck into the ceiling (flush to the ceiling, strangely) and “Brausebad” written over one of the doors.

              Comment by blake121666 — January 8, 2017 @ 10:13 am

              • So Blake you’re a Dachau gas chamber believer in spite of all the evidence that shows there were NO homicidal gas chambers there. In fact there were NO homicidal gas chambers in any of the camps throughout the Reich, but particularity none in Germany. Even the Holohuxsters that believe all the other silly homicidal stuff don’t go along with the Dachau gas chamber nonsense.

                JR

                Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 8, 2017 @ 11:26 am

              • And the floor drains.

                There is even less evidence (zero is less than little, isn’t it?) that there was a homicidal gas chamber in that building.

                Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 8:10 am

  4. It would certainly be a difficult piece of construction work in the time frame available, if it was the Americans who lowered the ceiling in the alleged gas chamber. I can only think of two ways that they could have done it – and both would be cumbersome and time-consuming methods.

    1) If there was already an existing ceiling three feet above where the new one was going to be built, then scaffolding would have to be brought into the chamber, and assembled for the workmen to stand on and use their power drills to cut all or most of the existing ceiling away. All the rubble would obviously have to be carted out of the chamber. Then, carpenters would need to be brought in to assemble the necessary timber shuttering that would rest upon, and be supported by, the scaffolding.

    After this, more workmen would have to gain access to the gabled attic above, where they could now lay a wire-mesh frame over the shuttering for the cement and concrete to be poured. Once this had set – after a day or two (probably more) then all the shuttering and scaffolding below could be removed, the dummy showerhead holes chiselled out, and the chamber thoroughly cleaned of all the remnants of the building work.

    2) Once again, scaffolding would have to be brought into the chamber, along with pre-prepared plasterboards that could fit through the doorway; and these would be joined together in order to create the new ceiling. But they would also have to be individually bolted on somehow ( and with great difficulty ) to the existing ceiling above.

    After this, a team of plasterers would need to be brought in to plaster over the entire new ceiling. ( This would have to be done to hide the edges and joins of the plasterboards, otherwise photos and film footage would show the obvious fakery. ) Lastly, the scaffolding would then have to be removed; the holes for the dummy showerheads chiselled out; and the chamber thoroughly cleaned.

    Either method consists of major construction work, and so I tend to think that the chamber did in fact have that low ceiling right from the time that the building was originally constructed. ( I think we can rely on the authenticity of the blueprints here ).

    Comment by Talbot — January 3, 2017 @ 5:34 pm

    • So, if we assume the height of the ceiling is authentic and original, then the Americans only had to chisel out the holes, and put in the dummy showerheads to produce their fake homicidal gas chamber.

      But what was this room really used for? Well, in my humble opinion it was some sort of steam room for cleaning and fumigating heavy blankets and textiles. And that is probably why the ceiling is lower that the neighbouring four “dry” fumigation chambers. The German planners may have decided to maximise the steam and heat inside this particular chamber by giving it a much lower headroom, and thus they could control, concentrate and maintain a higher temperature within.

      The drains in the floor of the chamber are a good clue. Once the steam had condensed and cooled, then the water would have to be able to drain away quickly and efficiently.

      It would be interesting to find out more about the so-called “Engineering Room” which adjoined this chamber. It would appear that there are sizeable pipes in there, plus pressure gauges, operating wheels and switches. But where do these pipes actually originate from – and where do they lead to ?

      Comment by Talbot — January 3, 2017 @ 6:45 pm

      • Here’s the layout of Baracke “X”. I’m not sure what you’re calling the “Engineering Room”. I’m assuming you mean the room between the “gas chamber” and the outside (the other side of the “peephole”). Read that Mattogno article or the thread on RODOH (after it’s back up and running with all of the posts). All pipes are, more or less, accounted for in terms of what connects to what and where they go.

        This schematic in Mattogno’s article shows how the ducts are connected:

        Comment by blake121666 — January 3, 2017 @ 7:17 pm

        • I explain this in one of the last posts of the RODOH thread:

          https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2064&hilit=dachau&start=150

          Comment by blake121666 — January 3, 2017 @ 7:19 pm

        • Thanks for the plans that you posted, Blake. I suspect the ground plan of the crematorium building has been deliberately, and inventively mis-labelled by the Americans to convey the idea of an “extermination center”. I note that rooms numbers 7 and 9 are also claimed to be “death chambers”, while room number 5 is specifically labelled as a “gas chamber”. So how the victims were killed in the two alleged “death chambers” remains unclear.

          But to confuse things further, they are calling the furnace, or incineration room, an execution site. Oh, my….!

          There is no reference to an “Engineering Room” on the plan – but I got this information from Further Glory’s own web page, so I don’t now exactly where it lay in relation to the alleged “gas chamber” itself. FG has got a black and white photo of the equipment in this “Engineering Room” which was published by the USHMM.

          The second plan showing the flow diagram inside the “gas chamber” is very interesting. It refers to conduits or vents where hot air and water vapour is introduced and distributed, with grills for the extraction of the air afterwards. It even displays the two flaps and sloping windows on the external wall of the chamber. It labels these as “arrivees d’air frais” – or fresh air ports. And I suspect that is indeed what they were used for. After the steaming had been done, then these flaps were manually opened to help clear the chamber of the hot, dank air and steam that had built up inside.

          Comment by Talbot — January 4, 2017 @ 6:40 am

          • You wrote: “FG has got a black and white photo of the equipment in this “Engineering Room” which was published by the USHMM.

            https://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/DachauLife01C.html

            The “engineers room” which is shown on my website page cited above, is directly behind the back wall of the Dachau alleged gas chamber.

            Early Visitors to the Dachau camp were allowed to go into this room, which was just a narrow corridor, not a full sized room. From this room, someone could control the amount of water that came out of the pipes on the ceiling. If only a few prisoners were in the shower room [which is now called a gas chamber] then water only flowed out of one row of pipes, not out of all the pipes in the room.

            I had a chance to go to Dachau when I was in Germany in the early 1950ies. There was a group of Americans who went to Dachau and I had a chance to go along. I didn’t go because I thought that it would be too horrible to see where the Jews were gassed.

            If I had gone to Dachau in the 1950ies, I would have been carrying a 4×5 Speed Graphic camera and I would have gotten a good photo of that room, so that everyone could now see that this room was used to control the flow of water into the shower room.

            Comment by furtherglory — January 4, 2017 @ 7:05 am

            • There are no water pipes on or above the ceiling. The water pipe goes to the hose connection under the “peephole”. Only there and nowhere else are there any water pipes to this room – and never were – as in the plans.

              Comment by blake121666 — January 4, 2017 @ 5:54 pm

          • The floor-plan I posted is what is shown today by the staff of the Dachau museum. “Death chamber” is just a semantic screw-up: it means morgue room (by both Holocaustians and Revisionists). Corpses were kept in these rooms and cremated in the cremation room.

            It’s not too clear to me why the cremation furnace room is labeled “execution site”. IIRC, the executions around there were done in a little room outside – people were shot IIRC. Somewhere around there criminals were executed … I’d have to look into it.

            What you are calling the “Engineering Room” is the area behind the peephole in the back of the “gas chamber” with the vents and valves and such.

            What you are calling “the second plan” is the Pressac diagram made by some Frenchman a few months I think after liberation. I’d have to look into exactly when this was made and by whom. Read the Mattogno article! the “vapor” you are referring to is an air exchanger which was in the attic. I don’t know what to make of the flaps – they weren’t in the original design of the room. You should read the Mattogno article.

            I suppose your hypothesis might be plausible. I’d have to look into this whole matter again to assess it better. It gets a bit hairy and very time-consuming looking into the details. I’ll keep your hypothesis in mind next time I look into this particular mattter (which I intend to do sometime – not now though).

            Comment by blake121666 — January 4, 2017 @ 5:48 pm

  5. Before looking into it myself: assume 1) the ceiling of the alleged Dachau gas chamber appears today as it was originally built, including the height, ie as claimed here it was built according to the surviving plans/blueprints (which are authentic); 2) it was intended to be used as a gas chamber, eg the shower heads really are fake — what gas was to be used? — how was the gas to be delivered? — are there any hints about a mechanism to deliver gas in the blueprints?

    I’m aware there are apparently claps or flaps on the wall — do these appear on the blueprints?

    Comment by eah — January 3, 2017 @ 11:57 am

    • I would like to comment about what was said about “authenticity” of the blue prints of Dachau.
      I have a problem so called “authentic documents” especially by the Soviets and allies. Authentic by whom? The ceiling height of that room is not a reasonable height, too low in my book. People would be able to rip the devices out pretty easily. Would Germans be that stupid to not see that? Is it possible the blueprint is a fake? The allies captured all the printing devices, stamps, typesets, of the Germans to be able to print off anything to specs looking like a legit document but being fake in content.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — January 3, 2017 @ 2:08 pm

    • No, the flaps were added later. Maybe even possibly by the Americans. IIRC, BRoI has evidence against this (Americans adding the flaps) which has escaped me at this moment.

      The gassing stories are kooky-sounding to me. Read that Mattogno article about what is said about the alleged gassing procedures. Various lights going off signalling persons at various areas to do some strange procedure!

      The Dachau gassing claims are still a bit open-ended as to what exactly happened there. You really have to read those Mattogno articles because the claims are so convoluted that I don;t have the time to go over them again to relate them to you – and I don;t remember particulars.

      IIRC: the short of it is that some German “mad scientist” type character planned a bunch of silly things related to gassing and was thought by the Germans to be a little kookoo and taken off the project. Then the flaps were installed and Zyklon just tossed in. Or something like that … I honestly don’t remember.

      Comment by blake121666 — January 3, 2017 @ 5:45 pm

      • The gassing stories are kooky-sounding to me.

        Of course — my questions tend to focus on forensic evidence (or lack of it), as well as the technical feasibility of what is claimed — if it is claimed people were gassed in that room, then it seems reasonable questions are 1) what was the gas?, 2) how was it delivered?, 3) is there any forensic evidence for this? — here I would count something in the blueprints as forensic evidence.

        Comment by eah — January 4, 2017 @ 7:32 am

        • You wrote: “it seems reasonable questions are 1) what was the gas?, 2) how was it delivered?, 3) is there any forensic evidence for this? — here I would count something in the blueprints as forensic evidence.”

          Dachau had “disinfection chambers” that were used for killing lice in the clothing of the prisoners. I wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/disinfection01.html

          (1) The gas was allegedly Zyklon-B which was used at Dachau for killing lice.
          (2) How was it [the gas] delivered?
          There was no gas “delivered” into the shower room that is now claimed to have been a gas chamber.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 4, 2017 @ 9:16 am

          • What you are calling “disinfection chambers” are the “delousing chambers”. Even the Dachau museum gets this WRONG – as shown in that floorplan of theirs. Zyklon IS NOT A DISINFECTANT and has no disinfecting properties. Zyklon is the evaporation off a substrate of the highly and acutely toxic (to macroscopic animals – not microscopic ones) HCN gas – taken in through respiration and suffocating cells of oxygen. This would be a disinfestation of advanced lifeforms but would not disinfect an area of germs. Lysol and the like does that sort of thing – disinfection. HCN has no effect on germs.

            The original alleged gas for the alleged “gas chamber” was not claimed to be Zyklon. It was originally some kookoo scheme that no one has a handle on exactly what that scheme was. After firing the “mad scientist” for the kookoo scheme, it is alleged chutes were installed that Zyklon was tossed into the alleged “gas chamber” room to test killing people in this way.

            Comment by blake121666 — January 4, 2017 @ 6:06 pm

            • Zyklon IS NOT A DISINFECTANT and has no disinfecting properties.

              Zyklon B kills by releasing HCN — how do you define ‘disinfectant’? — the common definition is an agent against microbes/bacteria (generally does not include viruses) — not sure if there is a disinfectant, ie an anti-microbial agent, that works on all types of bacteria — but HCN kills on the cellular level: it inhibits cytochrome c oxidase, which is found in (aerobic) bacteria — via this mechanism, it most certainly can kill many types of bacteria.

              Comment by eah — January 5, 2017 @ 8:43 am

              • Prove it. NI-9912 claims “Prussic acid does not kill bacteria”.

                The chambers themselves were of course NOT used for any “disinfecting” and so the terminology is quite incorrect even if you COULD prove that HCN has disinfectant properties (which you haven’t proven with your hand-waving). The Degesch chambers were “delousing chambers” not “disinfection chambers”. A disinfection chamber would be a chamber designed to kill germs and anyone would think of a “disinfection chamber” in this way – not a chamber that could kill a PERSON through being gassed. “Disinfection” is a very innocuous sounding phrase that totally misses the point of what those chambers were and what they did.

                Comment by blake121666 — January 5, 2017 @ 5:58 pm

            • Blake wrote: ” it is alleged chutes were installed that Zyklon was tossed into the alleged “gas chamber” room to test killing people in this way.”

              Utterly ridiculous claim. Anybody designing such devices would have equipped these chutes with a means of retrieving the pellets of Zyklon B after each test. Pellets of Zyklon B left on the ground of an air-tight room and releasing hydrogen cyanide for hours and hours, would have been a technical nightmare and a dumb nonsense.

              Comment by hermie — January 5, 2017 @ 9:17 am

              • It doesn’t take “hours and hours” for Zyklon to fully outgas in a heated room. It’d take less than an hour. If the heat alleged to have been routed from the air exchanger in the attic above to the floor heated the area of the pellets to over HCN boiling point (25.6C = 78F), full outgassing would occur very quickly – probably 10-15 minutes say. The Degesh machines depletes the pellets in about 5-10 minutes.

                Comment by blake121666 — January 5, 2017 @ 5:49 pm

                • Blake why are you wasting our time here with this nonsense about this camp that didn’t have a homicidal gas chamber can you just move on to something more interesting and more factual.
                  You are so off-the-wall here that I’m getting tired of even listening to you.
                  I can see what you’re trying to do here you’re just wasting our time from dealing with topics that are more interesting and more accurate. You’re a typical Holohuxster and a troll who is trying to cause problems here because you can’t convince us of your nonsensical Idiotic theories.
                  Please quit wasting our time.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 5, 2017 @ 7:09 pm

                • Blake wrote: “The Degesh machines depletes the pellets in about 5-10 minutes.”

                  5-10 minutes seems very short. Anyway, no Degesch machine was used for such alleged gassings, nor for any alleged homicidal gassing anywhere (what is dumb and laughable in itself).

                  Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 9:24 am

  6. Since there aren’t water pipes in that ceiling – and the ceiling is currently as was found by the Americans (as BRoI has shown) – the shower heads as shown to tourists (before they were all stolen) were never functional shower heads in the arrangement shown. They were therefore “dummy” shower heads. Maybe the Americans put those “dummy” shower heads on that ceiling and labeled the room “brausebad”? The Americans couldn’t have lowered the ceiling though.

    Comment by blake121666 — January 2, 2017 @ 7:46 pm

    • Why do you say the ceiling wasn’t lowered….
      The picture they show shows it to be not much more than 6-7 ft.
      The pictures of a regular shower room that I have seen has to be at least 8 ft.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — January 2, 2017 @ 7:51 pm

    • You wrote: “Since there aren’t water pipes in that ceiling – and the ceiling is currently as was found by the Americans (as BRoI has shown)”

      I have a large section on my website about the Dachau gas chamber:

      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history02.html

      In 1956, I was living in Germany, while my husband was an officer in the US Army. A group of Army officers, and their wives, went on a trip to Dachau, where they were allowed to go behind the interior wall in the alleged gas chamber. They were able to see water pipes going into the alleged gas chamber.

      It is easy to see that the ceiling in the alleged Dachau gas chamber has been lowered, so that the water pipes in the alleged gas chamber can no longer be seen.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 3, 2017 @ 6:11 am

      • I said there are not (and never were) water pipes in the CEILING. There was a water pipe at the back wall where a hose could be connected.

        The room never had functioning showers in it. It was never designed that way – nor was ever setup that way. The room could be hosed down – that is all – no showers.

        Which photos in Mattogno’s article(s) are you claiming to be yours? I don’t recognize any of them as yours and he generally credits the photos.

        Comment by blake121666 — January 3, 2017 @ 5:23 pm

      • Here’s BRoI’s picture of the water hose connector under the “peephole” in the back of the “Gas chamber”

        Comment by blake121666 — January 3, 2017 @ 7:05 pm

        • In Closeup

          Comment by blake121666 — January 3, 2017 @ 7:06 pm

        • I am aware of the water pipe that is shown in your photo. Notice that there are 4 drains shown in your photo. Can a gas chamber have floor drains, through which the poison gas could flow into the basement? I don’t think so! However, a shower room needs floor drains to drain the water into the sewer line.

          The purpose of the water pipe in your photo was to have a place to hook up a water hose, so that the rooms on both sides of the “gas chamber” could be cleaned.

          If you ever go to see the Dachau gas chamber building, ask the attendant if you can go down into the basement to see if the water from the showers flowed into the basement. Just kidding! If you do this, you will probably be arrested and thrown into prisoner as a suspected Holocaust denier.

          I have a section on my website that has photos of the Dachau gas chamber. This page of my website shows a photo taken in the undressing room, which has a 10 foot ceiling: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/UndressingRoom.html

          On the page cited above, there is a photo of a water pipe in the undressing room that is right next to the gas chamber. The undressing room has a 10 foot ceiling, which was standard for all ceilings at that time. Back then, it was against the law to have a ceiling lower than 10 feet, both in America and in Germany.

          The ceiling in the so-called “gas chamber” at Dachau is now 7.5 feet high, and the shower pipes are hidden. This new low ceiling was put in by the American liberators of Dachau, in order to hide the shower pipes. The rooms on both sides of the gas chamber have 10 foot ceilings.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 4, 2017 @ 6:38 am

          • It is alleged that slightly acidic water neutralizes HCN. So yes, a floor drain in a room that is alleged to have had Zyklon tossed into it is not the problem you imagine it to be. I don’t recall where those drains go to – I think BRoI knows. But the days of just tossing around arguments from ignorance (e.g. Faurisson and Leuchter) about these matters are well over. Leuchter and his stupid explosive Zyklon arguments makes it imprudent to go around crying wolf in these matters.

            BRoI had a few pictures of the basement on that RODOH thread IIRC. Maybe he should join in with the gaps in what I am posting (if he remembers these things or has the time to re-remember).

            The “gas chamber” ceiling is about 7 ft (about 2.15 meters) high I think. The plans had it as about 6′-7″ so there is about a 5 inch discrepancy that needs to be cleared up.

            The ceiling/wall looks pretty shoddy to me. But everything in that building looks a bit shoddy to me. That could be explained as having used unskilled prison labor in its construction.

            It doesn’t look to me that 2.00 m (about 6′-7″) is even doable for that room; so I don’t see why the arch/eng would specify a 2.00m high room.

            There are significant unanswered questions w.r.t. the Dachau “gas chamber” room.

            Comment by blake121666 — January 4, 2017 @ 6:23 pm

            • There was no gas chamber…..zzzzzz getting bored.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — January 4, 2017 @ 7:07 pm

            • You wrote: “There are significant unanswered questions with regard to the Dachau “gas chamber” room.”

              What are the unanswered questions?

              I wrote the following on my website BEFORE I became a Holocaust denier.

              http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history.html

              Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2017 @ 5:12 pm

              • You wrote: “There are significant unanswered questions with regard to the Dachau “gas chamber” room.
                Ya, like why are people still thinking that it was a homicidal gas chamber when they have already admitted it wasn’t.
                I guess by talking about it, it will be mysteriously tuned into one.

                JR

                Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 5, 2017 @ 5:39 pm

              • Just off the top of my head:

                1. Why was the room designed with a 2.00m ceiling height? Why is it 2.15m tall now?
                2. Who wrote BRAUSEBAD above that one entrance door?
                3. Who put the shower heads in the ceiling and why?
                4. What exactly were those electric lights at the doors and other places (T1 – T4 in Pressac’s diagram) used for?
                5. What was done in that room and when were these things done?
                6. What gasses were tested in this room and what were the tests and results of those tests?
                7. When were the flaps installed and why? What uses were made of those flaps?
                8. What happened to the air exchanger? Why is there no picture for me to see of that?

                Pretty much nothing is known for sure w.r.t. any claims about that room. It is highly improbably that the Americans lowered the ceiling though – given the evidence against that.

                Comment by blake121666 — January 5, 2017 @ 6:11 pm

    • You wrote: “They were therefore “dummy” shower heads. Maybe the Americans put those “dummy” shower heads on that ceiling and labeled the room “brausebad”? The Americans couldn’t have lowered the ceiling though.”

      Why couldn’t the Americans have lowered the ceiling in the Dachau “gas chamber”? It is easy to see that the ceiling WAS lowered, as far as possible. I wrote about it on this page of my website:
      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/DachauLife01C.html

      Comment by furtherglory — January 3, 2017 @ 6:41 am

      • The picture of Charles Wayland Brooks in the Dachau “gas chamber” was taken on 5/2/45 (2 days after liberation) and shows the ceiling as it is now. The video of 5/3/45 shows the ceiling as it is now. Read the Mattogno article. Or read BRoI’s postings about this. Here’s a blog entry from BRoI about this:

        http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-dachau-gas-chamber-crematorium.html

        Here’s the 5/2/45 photo:

        The ceiling was not “lowered” because it even sits a little higher than it was designed from the start. Are you saying the original blueprints are bogus?

        Comment by blake121666 — January 3, 2017 @ 5:33 pm

        • You wrote: “The ceiling was not “lowered” because it even sits a little higher than it was designed from the start.”

          I have a whole section about the Dachau gas chamber on my website, which was written before I became a Holocaust denier:
          http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/Index.html

          The photo on the index page shows that the ceiling of the gas chamber was lowered as far as possible.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 4, 2017 @ 5:19 am

          • Just a comment…..why are we discussing this fake gas chamber in Dachau? It was never used for killings how about we move on.
            If it was used a shower great…..who cares. I’m sure some Jew will say they baked cakes in it.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — January 4, 2017 @ 8:56 am

            • You wrote: “why are we discussing this fake gas chamber in Dachau?”

              We are discussing it because this so-called gas chamber was NOT a gas chamber, as True Believers believe. This subject is important because there is a whole segment of the population in the world that believes that there was a “gas chamber” at Dachau. It was a shower room that was converted into a gas chamber by the American liberators of Dachau

              Comment by furtherglory — January 4, 2017 @ 9:11 am

              • The true believers think a lot of things were true
                Have to keep the Hoax going.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — January 4, 2017 @ 10:22 am

  7. For a more productive and better exposing the HoloHoax year…..
    https://jrizoli.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/sinkholo.jpg?w=1024&h=633&crop=1

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — January 2, 2017 @ 7:31 pm

  8. Latest video…
    Jews love those gas chambers..

    Comment by jrizoli — January 2, 2017 @ 6:37 pm

  9. Another good take on it….Long story short…the ceiling was lowered and made into this fake room.
    http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2011/volume_3/number_4/reexamining_the_gas_chamber_of_dachau.php

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — January 2, 2017 @ 4:19 pm

    • I read the “Inconvenient History” website, and it would appear that the holocausters are all at sea with their claims for “gassings” at Dachau.

      They seem to propose no less than four separate methods whereby the “gas” was introduced into the chamber – which is a sure sign that the storylines are being made up on the hoof.

      The first method was by means of the “dummy showerheads”: the second was by some non-existent piping that had tiny perforations placed along their lengths. The third method was by means of sloping hatches that were built into the external wall of the chamber: while the fourth method that they claim, is that hydrogen cyanide was prepared in the cellar beneath, and the gas somehow “rose up” into the chamber itself. But they are not clear whether the gas emanated from out of the drains, that do exist in the floor of the chamber, or “vents” near, or in, the ceiling.

      But it is all nonsense, of course. I was reading FG’s webpage about the alleged Dachau gas chamber, and one can readily see how the tour guides and visitors just concoct their own fantasy tales of how it all went down. And then they all go home happy afterwards, tingling with excitement, that they’ve stood inside one of those infamous Nazi gas chambers.

      Comment by Talbot — January 3, 2017 @ 10:23 am


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