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January 5, 2017

The Glory of Germany is now “shon forbei”

Filed under: Germany — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 2:09 pm
My photo of the town of Dachau

My photo of the town of Dachau

I created an updated version of this article which you can read by following the link below, after the comment section of this original article was filled with 166 mostly irrelevant user comments.  The updated article includes some of the more relevant comments inside the article itself.

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2017/01/13/

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The country of Germany, that once was, is now gone. The glory that was once Germany is gone, and it will never come back again. Germany is now full of non-Germans who commit crimes, and  wreak havoc.

Over a  million Jews have come back to Germany. The Jews are God’s Chosen People — everyone else is dog shit.  The Jews can live wherever they want; they don’t have to live in their own country.

The Jews prefer Germany, where they can now lie, steal and cheat to their heart’s content.

I have just finished watching the full version of Leni Riefenstahl’s award-winning film, entitled Triumph of the Will, which is over an hour long. This is a PG film that is suitable for children to watch.

However, I must warn you that this film is extremely boring — how many goose-stepping German soldiers can you watch without being bored to death?

You can hear German people speaking Germany correctly, which I could never do.  I cannot trill an R, the way that the Germans did back then.

One thing, that is very interesting in the movie, is that all the people in the movie are German, and none of them appear to be overweight; the men are all at least 6 ft tall and most of them have blond hair.

If you go to Germany now, you will see every race and nationality of people and these people are citizens of Germany. There are black Germans, Jewish Germans, and every other nationality of Germans. In other words, Germany is not Germany any more, and that is a pity.

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AS I mentioned above, I created an updated version of this article which you can read by following the link below, after the comment section of this original article was filled with 166 mostly irrelevant user comments.

The updated article includes some of the more relevant comments inside the article itself, where they can be more conveniently read by interested readers, who don’t want to read through 166 comments which mostly consist of hysterical ranting.

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2017/01/13/

166 Comments »

  1. Israel and the Nigerians…nothing like a little racism there to make your day.
    http://www.nairaland.com/946139/israeli-violence-racism-against-african

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 1:59 pm

    • I’ve said it before. “Go to South Florida if you want to see how racist Jews really are”. Blacks,whites,Haitians,etc. The bastards think they’re above all them.

      Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 2:07 pm

  2. Klingon thinks that we are all behind starting another extermination (as he puts it) of the Jews…..actually it’s quite the opposite the Jews have been in the forefront of executing millions of people for years.
    They were behind the killing of millions of Russians during the Jewish Bolshevik revolution and now they are responsible for murdering millions of babies a year through the infanticide clinics.
    Nice try Klingon, how about looking at what your tribe has been doing.
    Thats why the Bible labels the Jews as the Synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9 and 3:9) because only a people who worship such an evil entity in the open and not be ashamed of it could be involved in these type of things.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2017 @ 9:36 am

    • My tribe is the Greek tribe, Ravioli. We don’t have many things in common with the Jews, except for considering virtue, morality and education great values.

      Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 10:18 am

      • Don’t forget your boy Plato loved little boys. The Greek Olympians loved each other. See a pattern here.

        Comment by Tim — January 6, 2017 @ 4:48 pm

      • Ha,Ha,Ha! Comedy Central for you my friend.

        Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 3:13 pm

  3. Furtherglory wrote: “If you go to Germany now, you will see every race and nationality of people and these people are citizens of Germany. There are black Germans, Jewish Germans, and every other nationality of Germans. In other words, Germany is not Germany any more, and that is a pity.”

    Not true for Germany only. The rest of Western Europe is similar, to varying extents. And as far as I know, North America is not in a better condition. The Jewish poison is lethal and no people can survive a long-term exposure to it.

    Comment by hermie — January 6, 2017 @ 8:01 am

  4. I’m always surprised by all you, neonazis and deniers. In every single subject, only your kind of people can get everything so wrong, in every single case.
    Now, the phrase ‘the chosen people’.

    I see that you use this phrase ‘the chosen people’ all the time, as proof of Jewish racism or to deride them.
    Once again, you’ re simply illiterate, ignorant, benighted, uncultivated, uninformed, uneducated and incapable to understand or contextualize very simple concepts.
    It’s a talent. To be always such a moron, it’s a gift.
    When Jews say ‘we are the chosen people’, they don’t mean that they are biologically superior to others or that God loves them more than other groups. Judaism in fact teaches that everyone is capable of being a righteous, Godly person, that Jews have obligations to be ethical and decent to ‘the stranger in their midst’, and that non-Jews don’t get sent to some kind of damnation for believing in another faith. When they say ‘we’re the chosen people’, they mean that, according to their faith, God gave them extra responsibilities and codes of behavior that other groups aren’t burdened with.
    That’s all it means, that God bestows not particular privileges but rather particular duties upon Jews
    .

    It’s very simple.
    The same happens in EVERY SINGLE CASE with you.
    I guess when you hear the phrase ‘eye for an eye’ you think ‘oh, Jews are people of revenge’ etc, but if you weren’t literally illiterate you shouldn’t de-contextualize it too, and you would know it means ‘Jews ought not to seek justice out of proportion to any wrongdoing done to them’. And this order was progress and a humane thing to do back then. It doesn’t mean ‘oh, strike your enemies back even harder, get revenge’ as you ignorant persons think.

    Just like this very funny guy Ravioli who is incapable to understand similar very simple things, i.e. that in order to kill inspects only the concentration of the Zyklon-B matters and so does the level of oxygen, not the kilograms used (he said, hahahaha, it’s unbelievable, ‘less ZB was needed to kill people and more with lice, yet they claim people exposed to ZB were killed in minutes’), or when he’s talking about how much coal needed to burn a corpse. ’10 kilograms for one body’, that is, hahahahah, it’s very funny, ‘150 kilograms for 15 bodies’, as if he changes the coal all the time, in every single steak he roasts when he’s having BBQ.
    I wonder, how does it feel to be so moron and to show it to the world in EVERY SINGLE subject you touch?

    Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 3:32 am

    • Κλέων Ι.wrote: ” When they say ‘we’re the chosen people’, they mean that, according to their faith, God gave them extra responsibilities and codes of behavior that other groups aren’t burdened with. That’s all it means, that God bestows not particular privileges but rather particular duties upon Jews.”

      Quite true. But you forgot to mention that the main of these duties is our ‘liberation.’ In Jewish minds, God tasked them with the duty to destroy and abolish all the ‘artificial constructions’ established by Gentiles, the ‘false gods’ of all nations & peoples (i.e. the boundaries between Gentile races, classes, religions, moral standards, cultures, nations, genders, etc.). The ‘liberation’ of mankind is their divine mission. Every non-Jewish order must be obliterated for that specific purpose. Mashiah won’t show his ugly hooked nose before Jewry has fully achieved that. No world shabbat (rest) under the paternal guidance of benevolent Mashiah before that time. Jews are undeniably great destroyers, but they do that for our own sake, for our own freedom and happiness (in their twisted mind).

      A rare moment of Jewish honesty:

      But Jews also regard themselves as a superior people, as “the [real and legitimate] aristocrats of this world” (as once formulated by Zionist leader Samuel Untermyer). That’s is why they can be both supremacists and egalitarians. No paradox for them.

      Don’t fall for the Judeo-Masonic scam of egalitarianism. It’s a trap, a deadly and destructive trap…

      “The doctrine of equality! There is no more poisonous poison anywhere: for it seems to be preached by justice itself, whereas it really is the termination of justice. ‘Equal to the equal, unequal to the unequal’—that would be the true slogan of justice; and also its corollary: ‘Never make equal what is unequal.” -Friedrich Nietzsche

      Comment by hermie — January 6, 2017 @ 7:49 am

      • Holocaust denial falls in the same category as ‘the earth is flat’ theory. No serious geographer will waste his time discussing geography with a member of the Flat Earth Society. In the same vein, no serious historian should contemplate discussing the Holocaust with a denier.

        I can rebut deniers. You’re a very easy pray for me. But I choose my own battles, and I choose when and where. This blog is an insignificant fringe corner in the internet, so I choose not to consume too many resources with people like Ravioli and you. I prefer to concentrate on your motives and focus on your hate motivations.

        Denial is, in fact, little more than a ploy to attack a minority where they are the most vulnerable: the loss by cold-blooded murder of their family and friends. Deniers are simply anti-Semites who attempt to bend history for their own malicious purposes.

        Holocaust denial is not a reasoned alternative viewpoint, but rather deliberately deceitful polemics cloaked in a pseudo-academic cover.
        Holocaust deniers have a perfect right to spread their lies in the US. I personally disagree with laws that stop them from doing so in other countries. Such a right, however, does not entitle them to respect. Respect is earned. Deniers are worth only of disrespect.

        Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 8:17 am

        • Clown wrote: “Holocaust denial falls in the same category as ‘the earth is flat’ theory.”

          I’d rather say that Holocaust faith falls in the same category as ‘the earth is flat’ theory. A religious theory that can be maintained only through the protection of [papal] authority and a stubborn refusal of any debate with all opponents, that must remind you something. A groundless theory that hides behind pathetic evasions such as “We have no physical and documentary evidence to show because the evil Nazis destroyed all traces of their mass murders on obliteration pyres and behind code words and euphemisms,” you can’t fail to draw the inescapable parallel between both methods. The heretics were right about the Heliocentric model and they are also right about the ‘Holocaust,’ no matter how long it takes before it’s finally officially conceded.

          Clown wrote: “I can rebut deniers. You’re a very easy pray for me. But I choose my own battles, and I choose when and where.”

          I can but I won’t. The mark of crooks and empty braggarts for sure…

          Funny to see you dance and posture, and emphatically claim you won’t waste your precious time responding to Holocaust deniers…as a response to a comment not even about the ‘Holocaust.’

          Comment by hermie — January 6, 2017 @ 8:58 am

          • Kling on…..
            You Jews are another race from another planet, and about your chosen status…..Ya right, you don’t have one…..LOL Really?
            http://texemarrs.com/112003/jewish_master_race.htm

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2017 @ 9:02 am

          • Of course. No documents. Not at all:

            http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.gr/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

            Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 10:13 am

          • Clown Hermie, you can cast a doubt here and there but you can’t doubt the whole and overall millions of evidence:

            http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.gr/2014/10/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html

            And if you think you’re good enough to tell the whole story beyond reasonable doubt, go ahead and make 4.000$.
            If you believe the Holocaust never happened you need to prove what happened to the Jews during the war:

            Go ahead, do it:
            http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.gr/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html

            Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 10:28 am

            • Two of the most dangerous Holocaust deniers
              https://wordpress.com/post/jrizoli.wordpress.com/117

              Time to expose the lies……

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2017 @ 12:17 pm

              • Ravioli, you don’t do any original work on the Holocaust, right?
                You only make references towards the work of other people. This is what you do, ‘see this’ and ‘read that’. Or interviewing other deniers.
                You’re in this business only because of your hate for the Jews. You are not qualified to anything, you have no skills, I guess that you do not even read in depth for these subjects.

                This is the case for you and this very ugly in soul person of yours. You have admitted it, in some other conversation, you said ‘That’s what I believe!’ when I asked you [Start quotes] ‘why do you have to deny it? If I were a proud Hitler-lover and/or National Socialist like you, I would stand up and say it clear and proud: ‘Hitler was great, Hitler was right for chasing Jews, I am admiring the man for what he did, going after these parasite rats, and I’m praising, both the nazis and the Holocaust’ [End quotes]

                You are just Jew-haters.

                Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 12:48 pm

                • Klingon…….Sorry to say Jews are from the Synagogue of Satan as I’ve already explained in previous posts….and it is my purpose in life to expose them and people like you that back them up.
                  I don’t hate Jews just Hate what they do and their total world control and their immoral and debauched lifestyle. Are all Jews bad no, but they are bad if they don’t speak up against the ones that are, so if they cover up the lies and bad actions of bad Jews then they are just as bad. The Jews for the most part are cowards because they can’t refute truth so they use court established laws to prosecute those that don’t agree with them. Instead of letting the truth stand on it’s own merits and debate the issues they conspire to arrest and disparage truthers like me that expose them. You are just part of a people that have turned the world upside down by your licentious ways.
                  Most people in the world don’t really like Jews but they put up with them because if they didn’t their world would be turned upside down by them and ruined too.
                  So the lies and coverups and corruption continue. Nice to live in a world where one group of people are actually there to destroy it.
                  You should be proud of your TRIBE knowing they are part of the biggest bunch of fraudsters who ever lived upon this earth..
                  You control the banks, the media, pharmaceuticals companies, commodities, there is not much you don’t control, and you have the nerve to say you don’t.
                  You manipulate the financials markets so you are the only ones that benefit from the thievery and smile as you do it. Yup you can’t get any better than the Jews.
                  Have I made a good case against you? if not show me where I’m wrong.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2017 @ 1:08 pm

                • The Hebs forget they’re gonna end up with Mr. Satan. Bible is quite clear. You don’t accept Gods son Jesus,you’ll piss God off,and end taking the Dante route for all of eternity

                  Comment by Tim — January 6, 2017 @ 1:39 pm

                • All you say here is the classic antisemitic tropes and myths and lies. Nothing new.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 2:04 pm

                • Klingon….
                  Are you telling me that the Jews don’t run the banking systems and financial systems and all these other things….. you have to be out of your mind if you don’t believe that.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 6, 2017 @ 3:25 pm

                • Son. You love to here yourself talk. Don’t ya? You talk shit. Like the old adage goes,”talk shit,get bit”.

                  Comment by Tim — January 6, 2017 @ 1:51 pm

              • You should learn to write down the actual links for your posts, not the ‘editing’ link that only a blog admin can see. Even this simple thing, right?

                Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 12:50 pm

                • “Oh lord,it’s hard to be humble,when your perfect in every way”. I don’t expect you to get that one. You boy lovers are deprived of Mac Davis

                  Comment by Tim — January 6, 2017 @ 1:48 pm

              • Jimbo in classic form. You’re just pissing everyone off today. He’s Greek . Who gives a shit what he thinks. Remind him,in America,we have freedom of thought.

                Comment by Tim — January 6, 2017 @ 1:53 pm

            • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Clown Hermie, you can cast a doubt here and there but you can’t doubt the whole and overall millions of evidence:”

              Millions of evidence?

              C’mon. Not with me…

              “Either we abandon the primacy of archives in favor of testimonies, and in that event we have to disqualify history as science and requalify it immediately as art. Or we maintain the primacy of archives, and in that event we have to concede that the lack of [criminal] traces leads to the inability to ascertain directly the reality of the existence of the [Nazi] homicidal gas chambers.” – Anti-revisionist French historian Jacques Baynac, September 1996 (3 years after the release of Pressac’s book).


              (Due to the lack of probative documents on gas chambers, [exterminationist] historians dodge debate)

              Your pile of ‘evidence’ collapse as soon as one drops the bogus decoder ring of the exterminationist swindlers. And you know it…

              Κλέων Ι. wrote: “If you believe the Holocaust never happened you need to prove what happened to the Jews during the war:”

              Nice inversion of the normal burden of proof. Accusers are able to prove their claims or they just go back home and their claims are dropped, not the other way round. Did you believe you were still in Nuremberg???

              Comment by hermie — January 6, 2017 @ 2:11 pm

              • You don’t have to prove that the Holocaust never happened.
                What you have to prove is your alternate theory.
                So, if you believe the Holocaust never happened you need to prove what happened to the Jews during the war.
                Never mind the fact that 70 years of research by actual researchers and historians proved that the Holocaust happened.
                If you don’t want to believe that, fine.
                But you do need to prove that your alternative is viable.
                So, if the Jews did not die, what happened to them?
                Where did the Nazis deport these Jews? Where is the proof? Are there train schedules? Names of commanders of these camps? Witnesses, including inmates or guards?
                Not even one had survived to claim compensation from Germany?
                Keep in mind the conditions in the Soviet Union at that time. This was an active war zone, including a vicious partisan war.
                Are there records of a German general objecting to these Jews sent into an operational area (soldiers don’t like civilians in war zones, they get in the way and are security risks)?

                Where did the Jews go?
                Go ahead and tell me.

                Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 2:15 pm

                • You wrote: “Where did the Jews go?”

                  They went to Russia. Right now, there is the annual drive to collect money for food to be sent to them. Watch TV, this ad is on every night during the Christmas season.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 6, 2017 @ 4:49 pm

                • This one is for clown Hermie also:

                  It’s a very simple thing.
                  You don’t have to freak out, it’s an everyday very common aspect of a historian’s world:

                  Do you have a narrative?

                  You said these Jews never died.

                  Do you have complete, full and precise overall narrative that covers all aspects, in every single angle, in every country and at any given time?

                  We, real historians, we do have a complete, full and precise overall narrative.
                  Every new single piece of evidence confirms this narrative, as it happens in the 90s, with the opening of the Eastern bloc’s archives.
                  He have reconstructed the facts, day by day. The whole chain of the facts.
                  We offer an explanation for everything.
                  You cast a doubt here and there, you ‘re playing a game with minor details, you set a partial objection whenever you can, but can you tell the whole overall story?

                  Can you do the same thing?
                  If you do have a narrative, then you should say what happened to the almost 1,5 million Jews that ‘went East’.

                  C’mon, it must be a very simple thing for you, and you can win 4.000$ out of nothing.
                  Go ahead, do it:

                  – Challenge to Supporters of the Revisionist Transit Camp Theory
                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.gr/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html

                  Do you have a narrative?
                  You have nothing.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 12:25 am

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Never mind the fact that 70 years of research by actual researchers and historians proved that the Holocaust happened.”

                  So according to you, it seems that the Holocaust industry eventually changed its methods after 4 decades of Ufological collection of testimonials and of groundless claims (see the interview below). 40 years of stunning statements without even a beginning of solid physical evidence, what a nice band of scam artists !!

                  Interview with famous Nazi hunter and Zionist activist Serge Klarsfeld, May 29, 1986, French magazine VSD:

                  VSD: How can there be room for discussion on the existence of gas chambers?

                  Klarsfeld: Just because nobody thought after the war that someday some people would deny their existence. Nobody took care of gathering physical evidence [of their existence]. Moreover, the camps with gas chambers, the most sinisterly famous of which is Auschwitz-Birkenau, are located in Polish territory and have been inaccessible for twenty years. […] we are about to publish a monumental work by J.-C. Pressac on Auschwitz-Birkenau, this camp which was the largest slaughterhouse ever invented and where some 1.3 million Jews were gassed. The book represents seven years of research and will finally constitute the proof of proofs.

                  VSD: Because there was no real proof/evidence yet?

                  Klarsfeld: There were beginnings of evidence which embarrassed the Faurissonians but had not yet silenced them. Notably two letters analyzed by Georges Wellers, dating from 1943, one dealing with a gassing cellar and the other one with three gas-tight doors to be placed in the crematoria. But, when facing people as punctilious as revisionists, we need undebunkable documents.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “What you have to prove is your alternate theory.”

                  Alternative theory? Alternative to groundless claims as evidenced as Ufological and Cryptozoological claims. Do mainstream/academic zoologists need to prove that no bigfoots roam over the forests of North America? Of course, they don’t. As long as cryptozoologists fail to prove conclusively that large non-human primates live in the forests of North America, mainstream zoologists don’t need to prove anything about that. Once again, did you believe you were still in Nuremberg (where no “proof of facts of common knowledge [i.e. of the victors’ atrocity propaganda]” was required, in accordance with Article 21 of the IMT charter)?

                  Comment by hermie — January 7, 2017 @ 1:11 am

                • Do you have a narrative?
                  You have nothing.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 1:32 am

                • No, it’s not ‘change of methods’.
                  It’s a simple fact.
                  Can you tell the story according to your own thesis?
                  Can you cover every single aspect, in every single moment and provide an explanation for every single situation.
                  We, real historians, we are doing it all the time.
                  You, ugly deniers, you can only object here and there in minor details.
                  This is the truth, and that’s why you are a fringe movement and people think you as lunatics or hatemongers who attack a minority where they are the most vulnerable: the loss by cold-blooded murder of their family and friends. Deniers are simply anti-Semites who attempt to bend history for their own malicious purposes.

                  Serge Klarsfeld actually said the truth, in times when the Russian and other Eastern countries files weren’t available. After a decade or so, all new archives discovered just added to the truth with no complications at all. This is what real historians do. History is a science with very strictly rules. Historians reconstruct the facts for a given period of time, based on proof and evidence, and beyond any opinions or ideological standing. Real historians had told the WWII facts. You (and people like you who omit everything it doesn’t fit your theories) are talking fiction and wishful thinking.

                  Let me ask you a question: have you, or anyone else here, actually ever set foot in an archive and confronted the files face-to-face? On *any* subject? You might just stumble across some of the answers to the questions you think are so vital.

                  You see, all these things about the Holocaust isn’t a hobby for me. They are my demons, first, my bread and butter as a historian, and second because of my life in my hometown Thessaloniki, Greece, I’ve lost almost 50.000 of my neighbors. The whole Jewish community, almost half the town, can you imagine it? Being there near me at one moment, then put in ghettos, then vanished, disappeared, exterminated in the camps.
                  50.000 men and women with kids and elderly.
                  And you’re telling me it’s a lie for profit?

                  Contrary to your projection, I deal in ideas and facts every day, on a wide range of subjects, not just this one. But the facts in the Auschwitz gas chambers case are very simple:
                  800,000 missing people, thousands of statements from those who were selected for labour or did the selecting, and in total several hundreds from eyewitnesses to the gas chambers themselves. Also documents, orders, blueprints, reports etc, and lots of physical evidence. All of these combined together give us a real unquestionable narrative. He have reconstructed the facts, day by day. The whole chain of the facts.
                  We did it (you can’t, not even in a millions years).

                  Against…. what exactly? Zip. Nada. Zero. Nothing at all, except for a doubt here and there. Not a dicky-bird of evidence of an alternative explanation where, just to take one example, tens of thousands of Ladino-speaking Jews from Salonika vanished to. We know all about their lives and presence in one time in February 1942 here, then they were taken to Poland, then? Give me an answer, right now (but you won’t because you can’t). What happened to 50.000 persons? You know what happened. Their lives gone. I know their relatives. I know many families and lots of their stories. I saw their photographs, I know details of their lives and weddings and celebrations and everything. I know they died in the camps. Some survived. I’ve met them and they told me what they saw. No matter in what camp, they said more or less the same story. It was intended killings and force to exhausting work till their death.
                  One of them was a sondercommando. A person who never went to high school, a poor worker. He had told me everything for his duties.
                  And then, I read all the relative literature on the subject, and I see that everything this old man told me fits perfectly the historical truth.
                  Every single detail.
                  And you’re telling me all these people lie for profit?

                  Greek historians reconstructed their past.
                  Now, it’s your turn.
                  Can you do this?
                  Do you have a narrative?

                  And the same question goes for the almost 1,5 million Jews that ‘went East’.
                  Where are the Jews you claim only ‘transferred’?

                  Do you have a narrative?
                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.gr/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html

                  You have nothing.
                  You can’t just deny these people what they had experienced, only because you are a nazi hatemonger who dislikes the Jews. It’s Hybris.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 1:52 am

                • You wrote that your home town is Thessaloniki.

                  I have written two blog posts about the Greek Jews in the Holocaust.

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/greek-jews/

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/the-death-of-schlomo-venezia-a-former-jewish-sonderkommando-at-auschwitz/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2017 @ 7:37 am

                • I think I’ve read them sometime ago.

                  Irrelevant:
                  Check the credits on the last minute of this USC Shoah Foundation documentary:

                  I think your blog is mentioned. Do you provide material to … the Jews?
                  (Hehehe, perhaps Ravioli will call you a traitor now)

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 7:51 am

                • You wrote: “I think your blog is mentioned. Do you provide material to … the Jews?”

                  I did not hear, nor see, my blog mentioned. However, virtually every old photo that is shown, can be found on my website or on my blog.These photos are in the public domain and can be used by anyone. It would have been convenient, for the person who made this video, to have used my website to copy all these old photos.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2017 @ 9:06 am

                • Then I should say ‘your website’ instead. Isn’t ‘Scrapbookpages’ your website? This is what is mentioned in 47.30” exactly.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 10:46 am

                • You wrote: “Do you provide material to the Jews?”

                  No, I do not provide material to the Jews. However, anyone can do a search and find information about the Holocaust on my blog and on my website.

                  Here is my opinion about the video that you provided:

                  The woman who is providing the commentary has the attitude that the Jews are better than other people and that they should live in luxury, not be crowded into barracks in a camp. She doesn’t seem to grasp the idea that the Jews were put into camps so that they could not fight, as partisans, against the Germans during a war.

                  The whole show was about how primitive the Auschwitz camp was. Most people were living in primitive conditions back then, both in Germany and in America. Only the Jews were rich back then. This woman does not understand that the Germans were sick of the Jews because of their propensity to lie, steal and cheat. The Germans put Jews in camps because the Jews would have been doing everything that they could to cause Germany to lose the war if they had not been put into camps.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2017 @ 9:28 am

                • Klingon it’s all about the narrative….
                  I guess you must of missed this one.
                  You only take what you want to use all the lies you brush aside.

                  ABSURD CLAIMS ABOUT THE “HOLOCAUST”
                  The “holocaust” has been elevated to the status of a secular religion. Indeed, it IS the real religion of much of Europe and North America’s ruling and political class. They may sneer at Christianity, but those who express doubts or skepticism about some of the claims of this new religion find themselves flung into prison across Europe (David Irving, Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Vincent Reyounard, Ursula Haverbeck, Sylvia Stolz and thousands more) and in Canada (Arthur Topham; Ernst Zundel) and Australia (Fredrik Toben). It is an intolerant religion which enforces belief in its tenets. Hypocritical European leaders like France’s Francois Holland and Germany’s Angela Merkel may march proclaiming free speech when Charlie Hebdo, a Trotskyist satirical magazine which mocks Christianity and Islam (but never Judaism) is attacked by Moslem terrorists, but they cheerfully jail or fine their own countrymen for doubting the new religion of “holocaust”.

                  This religion seeks to impose self-destructive guilt on European people and, of course, extract billions in compensation/reparation for events that may or may not have happened more than 70 years ago. It is a religion of manipulation and control.

                  Along the way, its preachers have made claims that are absurd and laughable, as preposterous as the nonsense of some primitive religion that insisted that thunder was made by the giant god Oogabooga breaking dinosaur bones up on his mountain.  

                  DISSECTING THE HOLOCAUST,  was written by Ernst Gauss Pages  128-131 detail  ABSURD CLAIMS (everywhere) (buckle up – it’s bizarre) made over the years by preachers of the “holocaust”> Doesn’t get any more UNREAL…. oh, wait… IT IS. Thousands of people were convicted of crimes against humanity because of these statements. NO ONE could challenge them. No cross examination, NO DEFENSE. No rules of evidence. If it was stated, IT WAS TRUE. Submitted for your approval:

                  Examples of Absurd Claims Regarding the Alleged National Socialist Genocide:

                  — child surviving six gassings in a gas chamber that never existed;

                  — woman survived three gassings because Nazis kept running out of gas;

                  — fairy tale of a bear and an eagle in a cage, eating one Jew per day;

                  — mass graves expelling geysers of blood; erupting and exploding mass graves;

                  — soap production from human fat with imprint “RIF ” – ‘Reine Juden Seife’ (pure Jewish soap), solemn burial of soap;

                  And More Preposterous Claims

                  — The SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh (‘RIW’– ‘Reine Juden Wurst’?);

                  — lampshades, book covers, driving gloves for SS officers, saddles, riding breeches, house slippers, and ladies handbags of human skin;

                  — pornographic pictures on canvasses made of human skin; 
                  — mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KL commander Koch (Buchenwald); — production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;

                  — acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;

                  — muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contracted so strongly that they made the buckets jump about;

                  — an SS-father potshooting babies thrown into the air while 9-year old SS-daughter applauds and shrieks: “Papa, do it again; do it again, Papa!”

                  — Jewish children used by Hitler-Youth for target practice;

                  — wagons disappearing on an incline into the underground crematoria in Auschwitz (such facilities never existed);

                  — forcing prisoners to lick stairs clean, and collect garbage with their lips;

                  —  injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;

                  — first artificially fertilize women at Auschwitz, then gas them;

                  — torturing people in specially mass-produced “torture boxes” made by Krupp;

                  —  torturing people by shooting at them with wooden bullets to make them talk;

                  — smacking people with special spanking machines;

                  — killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrogen cyanide (which, scientifically considered, evaporates quickly and would endanger those who pouring it into said glass);

                  — killing people with poisoned soft drinks;  

                  And Still More Preposterous Claims

                  — Underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;

                  — blast 20,000 Jews into the twilight zone with atomic bombs (which were never exploded in Germany!)

                  — ;killing in vacuum chamber, hot steam or chlorine gas;

                  — mass murder in hot steam chamber;

                  — mass murder by tree cutting: forcing people to climb trees, then cutting the trees down;

                  — killing a boy by forcing him to eat sand;

                  — gassing Soviet POWs in a quarry;

                  — gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits;

                  — delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;

                  — rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;

                  — beating people to death, then carrying out autopsies to see why they died

                  — ;introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles;

                  — electrical conveyor-belt executions;

                  — bashing people’s brains in with a pedal-driven brain-bashing machine while listening to the radio;

                  — cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;

                  — cremation of human bodies using no fuel at all;

                  — 394 x skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;

                  — mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans

                  — killing 840,000 Russian POWs at Sachsenhausen, and burning the bodies in 4 portable ovens;

                  — removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;

                  — SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;

                  — out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;
                  — blue haze after gassing with hydrogen cyanide (which is colorless);

                  — singing of national anthems and the Communist International by the victims in the gas chamber;

                  — evidence of atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;

                  — a twelve-year old boy giving an impressive and heroic speech in front of the other camp children before being ‘gassed’;

                  — filling the mouths of victims with cement to prevent them from singing patriotic or communist songs.

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 10:08 am

                • You wrote: “DISSECTING THE HOLOCAUST, was written by Ernst Gauss”

                  Ernst Gauss was one of the names used by Germar Rudolf. I don’t see anything wrong with using a “pen name”, such as Mark Twain, but some people disapprove of this.

                  I wrote about Germar on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/07/15/where-is-germar-rudolf-when-we-need-him/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2017 @ 10:47 am

                • Ravioli said ‘Charlie Hebdo, a Trotskyist satirical magazine which mocks Christianity and Islam (but never Judaism)’

                  Ravioli never checks his ‘sources’, or should I say his ‘copy/pastes’.

                  Of course Charlie Hebdo mocks Judaism, all the time, but Ravioli always sacrifices reality and truth for a good lie!

                  See for yourself, hundreds of covers with mocking of the Jews.

                  ALL THE TIME!

                  https://www.google.gr/search?q=%27Charlie+Hebdo+%2B+juifs&num=100&newwindow=1&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipw_Xq2rDRAhXCEiwKHausAx4Q_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=961

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 10:58 am

                • Ravioli, you cannot for once say something from your own mind?
                  The absurd claims list is not something serious. In a case in which millions of people got involved, from every possible side and with every possible role, a case that it was going on for years in a very wide range of areas and countries and people involved, it’s absolutely natural to exist some people who could say crazy things. This is happening all the time in every single case.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 11:03 am

                • Why do you refer to Jim Rizoli by the name “Ravioli”?

                  You are commenting on a blog, from which you could be kicked to curb at any moment. Why do you have to insult others who write comments here?

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2017 @ 11:11 am

                • It’s a joke, not an insult. Jim once said I reminded him of when he was in 5th grade, and other kids called him ‘Ravioli’. I called him also ‘Rizotto’ once, because he calls me ‘Klingon’, too. I don’t think he is bothered but if he does, OK, no problem. But I don’t mean it as an insult.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 11:17 am

                • I don’t mind Klingon calling me Ravioli….kinda funny.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 11:48 am

                • I still say you’re the “Mad Dog Dago”.

                  You know he cries about the Jews being,”loving”. Okay. Let me ask you this. I get email updates from the U S Jew Museum. Half the emails always say”never again. Please donate”(talking about the holo). They say they want to educate people so that shit never happens,”to any race”,again.

                  Okay. Where are they at while genocide is occurring in Africa ? I’ve said before here,I’ve got a man who works for me,who’s from Guatemala. He’s 100% Mayan Indian. Guy running the show in Guatemala,don’t like Mayans. Back in the 80’s,he was bumping off Mayans in Guatemala,on a wholesale level. Sal had to leave Guatemala,or end up dead. Where were the Jews then? Yeah. They really helped the Mayans out there.

                  I’ve mentioned before I worked with Montagnards a few times,when I was in the Nam. Damn fine people! Be a lot more names on The Wall in DC if it weren’t for the loyalty of the Yards. We left Southeast Asia and the pieces of shit in Hanoi went off on the Montagnards. Hanoi didn’t like them,because they were the original peoples of Nam. Where were the Jew bastards then?

                  The Heb douchebags don’t give two shits about wether genocide happens again to any other race or not . Just so long as they can advance their own greedy ass cause.

                  I still say something happened in WW2. It was a war. Bad shit happens in a war. Yeah,man can be damned inhumane to his fellow man,but the shit was happening to everyone. Not just the damned Jews .

                  Yeah before I found this site,I bought all the lies. Now I find out shits questionable on a good day. Why does the number drop from,6 mill to 850,000? The courts always want,”provable,hardcore facts”. How the hell can you prove anything,when they can’t keep their own shit straight?

                  If they want me to accept their 6 mill dead Jews, then please,tell me where that many stiffs are at. I’ve read up on the cremation process. No way in hell they had the technology back then,we have today,to carry out those kind of cremations.

                  This whole subject for me,is getting to the point,where it’s not even questionable any more.

                  Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 3:05 pm

                • Kahn. Ask yourself this. “Where were the allies when this shit supposedly started?”

                  Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 3:07 pm

                • It is about how of a death factory the Auschwitz camp was. The rest you say is the usual antisemitic tropes and myths, all Jews were rich and evil etc. Straight ahead from the Middle Ages to 2017, although civilization reached the moon, still the old hatred.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 10:51 am

                • You wrote: “It is about how of a death factory the Auschwitz camp was.”

                  I have written, at length, about Auschwitz on this page of my website:

                  https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Birkenau01.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2017 @ 10:55 am

                • If we’re trying to prove lies and liars,how come Ellie the weasel has not been bought up. Start with him.

                  Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 3:09 pm

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Can you tell the story according to your own thesis?”

                  Yes, I can.

                  Hitler had warned that another world war would mean the crushing of Jewry on a continental (not only in Central Europe as in the event of no 2nd world war) and that’s what he did during WW2. The same anti-Jewish measures were applied all over German-occupied Europe as those applied within the German Reich from 1933 to 1939. Roughly, Jewry was crushed through anti-Jewish propaganda and legislations and gathered in camps and ghettos until its final eviction from Europe. Moreover, the Zionists had planned the complete evacuation of European Jewry (especially the Jewry of Central and Eastern Europe) through the Nordau Plan and that’s what they did during and after WW2. Did you sincerely believe that Palestinian Jewry increased tenfold and American Jewry increased by a few millions through a birth rate of rabbits?

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Can you cover every single aspect, in every single moment and provide an explanation for every single situation. We, real historians, we are doing it all the time.”

                  Yes, you do it all the time…by replacing innocuous words (alleged genocidal code words and euphemisms) by sinister words, by reading anodyne documents through your deceptive decoder ring.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “You, ugly deniers, you can only object here and there in minor details.”

                  The advocates of the heliocentric model crushed the geocentric model through so-called ‘minor details.’ The Catholic Church saw the devil in the details explained by Copernican [heliocentric] cosmology but not by Ptolemaic [geocentric] cosmology (at least not without the introduction of increasingly complicated [but erroneous] notions such as epicycles and deferents), but only the truth was these details.

                  Regarding the ‘Holocaust,’ it is no surprise there is an alleged convergence of [testimonial] ‘evidence’ when any deviation from the Zionist-Soviet-Allied narrative is instantly labelled ‘a minor detail’ and quietly put aside by Holo-swindlers. With such a method, there is a convergence of evidence for anything…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “This is the truth, and that’s why you are a fringe movement and people think you as lunatics or hatemongers who attack a minority where they are the most vulnerable: the loss by cold-blooded murder of their family and friends. Deniers are simply anti-Semites who attempt to bend history for their own malicious purposes.”

                  When you can’t debunk a message with hard facts and well-constructed arguments, just shoot (vilify, demonize, belittle) the messenger(s). The Holo-scam in all its glory…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Serge Klarsfeld actually said the truth, in times when the Russian and other Eastern countries files weren’t available. After a decade or so, all new archives discovered just added to the truth with no complications at all. This is what real historians do. History is a science with very strictly rules. Historians reconstruct the facts for a given period of time, based on proof and evidence, and beyond any opinions or ideological standing. Real historians had told the WWII facts. You (and people like you who omit everything it doesn’t fit your theories) are talking fiction and wishful thinking.”

                  Who takes fictions and wishful thinking? The guys who believe in an alleged invisible “Nazi conspiracy” (Nuremberg terminology) to exterminate the Jews of Europe through mass murder and who are reduced to base their claims upon testimonies like any bigfoot or Ufo hunter, or their opponents?

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “You see, all these things about the Holocaust isn’t a hobby for me. They are my demons, first, my bread and butter as a historian, and second because of my life in my hometown Thessaloniki, Greece, I’ve lost almost 50.000 of my neighbors. The whole Jewish community, almost half the town, can you imagine it? Being there near me at one moment, then put in ghettos, then vanished, disappeared, exterminated in the camps. 50.000 men and women with kids and elderly. And you’re telling me it’s a lie for profit?”

                  Waw!!! May I suggest that from now on researchers quote your comment when they need to illustrate what a strong pro-Jewish BIAS is? Amazingly emotional and intemperate ! How can you even claim to be a researcher with so many tears in your eyes????

                  Stop wasting your time with your pathetic ‘How dare you?’ emotional bullyings? Such tricks don’t work with me.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Contrary to your projection, I deal in ideas and facts every day, on a wide range of subjects, not just this one. But the facts in the Auschwitz gas chambers case are very simple: 800,000 missing people, thousands of statements from those who were selected for labour or did the selecting, and in total several hundreds from eyewitnesses to the gas chambers themselves. Also documents, orders, blueprints, reports etc, and lots of physical evidence. All of these combined together give us a real unquestionable narrative. He have reconstructed the facts, day by day. The whole chain of the facts. We did it (you can’t, not even in a millions years).”

                  Smoke and mirrors easily debunkable and debunked and thousand times…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Against…. what exactly? Zip. Nada. Zero. Nothing at all, except for a doubt here and there. Not a dicky-bird of evidence of an alternative explanation where, just to take one example, tens of thousands of Ladino-speaking Jews from Salonika vanished to. We know all about their lives and presence in one time in February 1942 here, then they were taken to Poland, then? Give me an answer, right now (but you won’t because you can’t). What happened to 50.000 persons? You know what happened. Their lives gone. I know their relatives. I know many families and lots of their stories. I saw their photographs, I know details of their lives and weddings and celebrations and everything. I know they died in the camps. Some survived. I’ve met them and they told me what they saw. No matter in what camp, they said more or less the same story. It was intended killings and force to exhausting work till their death. One of them was a sondercommando. A person who never went to high school, a poor worker. He had told me everything for his duties. And then, I read all the relative literature on the subject, and I see that everything this old man told me fits perfectly the historical truth. Every single detail. And you’re telling me all these people lie for profit?”

                  A number of them died because of the war and war-linked epidemics (no surprise; during WW1, people died by millions throughout Europe because of epidemics alone after all) while numerous others just migrated to other places (Palestine/Israel and America above all).

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Greek historians reconstructed their past. Now, it’s your turn. Can you do this? Do you have a narrative? And the same question goes for the almost 1,5 million Jews that ‘went East’. Where are the Jews you claim only ‘transferred’?”

                  They are exactly where they are today.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Do you have a narrative? http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.gr/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html You have nothing. You can’t just deny these people what they had experienced, only because you are a nazi hatemonger who dislikes the Jews. It’s Hybris.”

                  Calm down. Keep some bullets for other messengers. Don’t use them all on me… 😉

                  Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 8:19 am

                • Klingon has to blame somebody for the predicament of the Jews from day one so he blames us. He never looks at what they’ve done and how they’ve been kicked out over a hundred countries by their actions, he is so smart he doesn’t see the forest through the trees.
                  Another thing he really misses and some here also miss about the Jews is how they stand biblically with God when you read the Bible and you see how they started out good and very quickly turned away from him and started to worship the Pagan Nations around them then you’ll see how everything that came upon the Jews was retribution from God for their falling away from him.
                  They continue disobey God today and that’s why God has rejected them as a people for his name.
                  If you ever want to see how not to worship God then look at the Jews.
                  The good news is I don’t have to worry about what’s going to happen to them because I really feel that God will deal with them when the day comes.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 8, 2017 @ 8:45 am

                • Hermie, I didn’t understand when you said:
                  – Hitler had warned that another world war would mean the crushing of Jewry on a continental (not only in Central Europe as in the event of no 2nd world war)

                  You mean ‘on a continent’ (Europe)?

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 10:31 am

                • OK, let’s see what we’ve got so far.
                  Hermie’s narrative of the Holocaust:

                  – Hitler had warned that another world war would mean the crushing of Jewry on a continental (not only in Central Europe as in the event of no 2nd world war) and that’s what he did during WW2. The same anti-Jewish measures were applied all over German-occupied Europe as those applied within the German Reich from 1933 to 1939. Roughly, Jewry was crushed through anti-Jewish propaganda and legislations and gathered in camps and ghettos until its final eviction from Europe. Moreover, the Zionists had planned the complete evacuation of European Jewry (especially the Jewry of Central and Eastern Europe) through the Nordau Plan and that’s what they did during and after WW2

                  In a nutshell, Hermie says ‘Jews did it to themselves, for the profit’.

                  Well, this is another basic antisemitic trope. No Germans’ responsibility involved. The nazis didn’t want to hurt them at all.
                  But Hermie’s fiction is greater than that. Because he blames the victims. This is not only antisemitic, it is in real terms non-humane. It is the Hybris I mentioned before.

                  Talking in real historical terms, now:

                  We are talking about all these things, or more correctly, you deniers talking and doubting and trying to contest the actual history narrative of the industrial systematic extermination of the Jews, precisely because these are the historical facts. The historical chain of the facts shows us that there was a multi-level plan to exterminate the Jews, which took a lot of turns and improvised deeds but lead to the one and undeniable truth: Jews were exterminated by the Nazis in millions.

                  You deniers say that the events happened not according to the real historians’ narrative, but in another way.
                  You say that the Nazis didn’t want to exterminate the Jews.

                  If the Nazis and Hitler did not want to hurt the Jews, then why there isn’t much to deal with in the public sphere with your claims?
                  Where is the evidence to confirm that the case was different?
                  Why we do not talk about elements and events that confirm your own version of the chain of the facts?
                  For example, if some nazis Jews killed without authorization, where is the evidence that Hitler punished them or that someone in the RSHA even objected to these killings?
                  When Hitler marked with ‘OK checks’ the reports from the 1941-1942 killings in the East (these reports circulated back then in dozens of copies), isn’t this proof that he approved them?

                  You’re hiding behind the evolution of the terms used for the extermination, but these tricks don’t work for serious people.

                  1.
                  Goebbels’ diary talks about the Jews:

                  …the greater the number of Jews liquidated, the more consolidated will the situation in Europe be after this war.
                  Joseph Goebbels,March 6, 1942

                  The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.
                  Joseph Goebbels, March 27, 1942

                  Short shrift is made of the Jews in all eastern occupied areas. Tens of thousands of them are liquidated.
                  Joseph Goebbels, April 29, 1942
                  http://web.archive.org/web/19990429184348/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/goebbels-joseph/goebbels-1948-excerpts-01.html

                  2.
                  The Posen speech:

                  I also want to refer here very frankly to a very difficult matter. We can now very openly talk about this among ourselves, and yet we will never discuss this publicly. Just as we did not hesitate on June 30, 1934, to perform our duty as ordered and put comrades who had failed up against the wall and execute them, we also never spoke about it, nor will we ever speak about it. Let us thank God that we had within us enough self-evidence fortitude never to discuss it among us, and we never talked about it. Every one of us was horrified, and yet every one clearly understood that we would do it next time, when the order is given and when it becomes necessary.
                  I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, to the extermination of the Jewish people. This is something that is easily said: “The Jewish people will be exterminated,” says every Party member, “this is very obvious, it is in our program — elimination of the Jews, extermination, will do.” And then they turn up, the brave 80 million Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. It is of course obvious that the others are pigs, but this particular one is a splendid Jew. But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person — with exceptions due to human weaknesses — had made us tough. This is an honor roll in our history which has never been and never will be put in writing, because we know how difficult it would be for us if we will had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and rabble rousers in every city, what with the bombings, with the burden and with the hardships of the war. If the Jews were still part of the German nation, we would most likely arrive now at the state we were at in 1916/17.
                  I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that is easily said. ‘The Jewish people is being exterminated,’ every Party member will tell you, ‘perfectly clear, it’s part of our plans, we’re eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, a small matter’. […]
                  We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who would kill us. We however do not have the right to enrich ourselves with even one fur, with one Mark, with one cigarette, with one watch, with anything. That we do not have. Because we don’t want, at the end of all this, to get sick and die from the same bacillus that we have exterminated.

                  3.
                  Eichmann describes how in July 1941 (if you piece together the actual months and the dates) he is summoned to Berlin to visit Reinhard Heydrich, the chief of the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA). Heydrich utters to him the fateful words, according to the denier Irving:

                  ‘Ich komme vom Reichsfuhrer SS. Der Fuhrer hat den Befehl zur physischen Vernichtung der Juden gegeben.’ (‘I’ve come from the Reichsfuhrer SS [Himmler]. The Fuhrer has given the order for the physical destruction of the Jews.’)
                  http://web.archive.org/web/19980519193236/http://www.codoh.com/irving/irveichgoebb.html

                  4.
                  Letter from Hermann Goering to Reinhard Heydrich, Berlin, July 31, 1941.
                  Goering orders Heydrich to prepare for the Final Solution
                  On this day in 1941, Herman Goering, writing under instructions from Hitler, ordered Reinhard Heydrich, SS general and Heinrich Himmler’s number-two man, –

                  – to submit to me as soon as possible a general plan of the administrative material and financial measures necessary for carrying out the desired final solution of the Jewish question’.

                  5.
                  And we know, of course, that in the Wannsee conference the discussion covered killing, elimination, and annihilation, and that was used cloaked language to refer to extermination.

                  Did those sources -the Posen speech, the Goebbels diary, the Wannsee Conference and the letter of July 31, 1941- indicate any plan to exterminate European Jews?

                  – No, of course not, all deniers say.

                  Which it brings us again here: Then, what is this all about, since the Nazis didn’t, in fact, want to kill the Jews, but -what a coincident-, the Jews were killed!
                  So, you’re telling me:

                  They were wishing for it to happen,
                  they declared it,
                  they talked about it all the time,
                  they invented a thousand euphemisms for it (I guess you know that after the backlash when the T4 program was uncovered, the nazis wanted everything to take place in secrecy, this is why they were talking with codes),
                  they prepared all the equipment,
                  they took all the measures that lead to it,
                  they even made their war decisions according to the evolution of the relative events and developments,
                  but still they didn’t want to hurt the Jews,
                  -and in the end, it happened, contrary to their will!


                  What a fiction!
                  Occult’s razor tell us that the simplest hypothesis is the most possible one. Real life, not fiction.

                  So, your version of the chain of the facts is that these Jews never died.
                  In your case, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You should expect that positive evidence for the hypothesis ‘Nazis didn’t want to hurt the Jews’ should have been found, but it wasn’t.
                  Remember, that ‘in some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence’.

                  We, real historians, have reconstructed the facts, day by day. The whole chain of the facts.
                  We, real historians, we do have a complete, full and precise overall narrative.

                  Do you also have a complete, full and precise and overall narrative that covers all aspects, in every single angle, in every country and at any given time?
                  Every new single piece of evidence confirms our narrative, as it happens in the 90s, with the opening of the Eastern bloc’s archives or every other archive and piece of evidence found ever since 1945.

                  We offer an explanation for everything.
                  What do you offer in real historical terms?

                  You only cast a doubt here and there, you ‘re playing a game with the minor details, you set a partial objection whenever you can, but can you tell the whole overall story?

                  You didn’t answer the question what happened to the almost 1,5 million Jews that ‘went East’, the Jews you claim only ‘transferred’.
                  Even Irving admits it:

                  – I think we have to accept that there were My Lai-type massacres where SS officers -the Einsatzkommandos- did machine-gun hundreds if not thousand of Jews into pits. On the Eastern Front, at Riga, at Minsk, and at other locations, this kind of thing did happen.
                  http://web.archive.org/web/19980519193236/http://www.codoh.com/irving/irveichgoebb.html

                  It seems you are all too rich and you don’t want to make 4.000$ easily.
                  All it was asked, was just 4 cases of surviving Jews.
                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.gr/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html

                  Actually, I’m doubling the offer. In Salonica, Greece, there were at least 6.000 kids going to elementary school in 1941.
                  In 1943 there were 4.500 kids under 4, and a total of 12.000 under 16.
                  Salonica Jews were transferred to Poland between March 1943 and August 1943, with a total of 18 train routes to Auschwitz (and one in Bergen-Belsen, but this is a different story).
                  You claim they were sent for vacation in Auschwitz.

                  Find me just 5 kids under 10 years old that survived Auschwitz, let’s say that they were alive in July 1945, and you’ll make another 4.000$.
                  That’s easy money, if you think you’re right and if you’re stick to your story.

                  So, if the Jews did not die, what happened to them?

                  Where did the Nazis deport these almost 1,5 million Jews that ‘went East’?
                  Where is the proof? Are there train schedules? Names of commanders of these camps? Witnesses, including inmates or guards?
                  Not even one had survived to claim compensation from Germany?
                  Where did the Jews go?
                  Where did the Salonica kids go?

                  If you’re right in your version, then it will be a piece of cake. Make 8.000$.
                  If you don’t, go home.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 11:56 am

                • I wrote about the “Posen speech” on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/let-himmler-speak-stop-cutting-him-off-in-mid-sentence/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 12:09 pm

                • Klingon…..I’m not one for lengthy discussion here so here’s the deal….if you want to get a complete understanding on how all this started take a look at Ben Bradberrys book the Myth of German Villainy.
                  You will get the summed up version on why WW1 came about which just continued to WW2 so on and so on.
                  And also where the HoloHoax comes into play and all the good stuff we talk about there.
                  I believe there is a PDF of his book out there also if you don’t buy the hard copy.
                  This should be one….
                  pdfsdir.com/download/myth-of-german-villainy.pdf

                  Best book I ever read on the topic….
                  I actually interviewed Ben for Rizolitv

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 8, 2017 @ 12:10 pm

                • Thank you, Jim. I’ll read it, be sure, and I’ll come with my observations.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 1:31 pm

                • There were, in fact, gas chambers at Dachau; these chambers were used to disinfect the clothing of the prisoners. I wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/disinfection01.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 1:01 pm

                • Edit: “the crushing of Jewry on a continental SCALE” and “only the truth was IN these details”

                  Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 8:37 am

                • Hermie, false alarm, I got it now, ‘on a continental scale’, OK.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 10:33 am

                • Edit: “debunked A thousand times”

                  Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 8:39 am

                • I’m an atheist, Jim. My anti-Semitism is based on non-biblical stuff, mainly the deleterious activities of Jewry as a ‘corrosive force’ (see the video I posted above). But I nevertheless respect your religious views.

                  Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 10:40 am

                • The entries in Goebbels diaries beyond July 1941 cannot be accepted as evidence of anything at all.

                  Wikipedia says;- “By July 1941 the diaries had grown to fill twenty thick volumes, and Goebbels realised that they were too valuable a resource to risk their destruction in an air raid. He therefore moved them from his study in his Berlin home to the underground vaults of the Reichsbank in central Berlin.[9] From this time onwards, he no longer wrote the diaries by hand. Instead he dictated them to a stenographer, who later typed up corrected versions.”

                  It is clear therefore, that the diaries beyond that date were typed-up by somebody else, and thus cannot be verified as an accurate or truthful account of what Goebbels himself thought and wrote. Only the volumes that were written before July 1941 can be accepted as reliable.

                  Before one can accept a diary as evidence then it has to be composed in the hand-writing of the actual author ( I would have thought that would be obvious to everyone ). But not only that – any diary entry, from whatever source, must be treated with extreme caution, because what is being recorded is not necessarily anything like the truth, or indeed an accurate account of what is happening on the ground, or even what is likely to happen In the near future.

                  Diary entries are by definition the author’s own “impression’s of the moment”. They are written down at the end of the day or week, and are purely a reflection of his or her observation, mood and understanding at that particular moment in time. One can’t accept a diary entry as proof of any formal policy that has been decided upon by others. To verify that, then the minutes of a meeting, or the orders and directives in documented form must be produced, and the diary can then be studied in order to corroborate what has been officially authorised.

                  Comment by Talbot — January 8, 2017 @ 1:10 pm

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “In a nutshell, Hermie says ‘Jews did it to themselves, for the profit’.”

                  I said that some Jews (not all Jews were Zionists and even fewer were Zionist leaders) claimed that for political profit. Wasn’t the state of Israel allowed in 1947 and established in 1948? In 1939, the British response was a resounding “No, there will never be any Jewish state in Palestine and a state of Palestine (with Arab and Jewish citizens) will be established by April 1949 at the latest.” That was the MacDonald White Paper of May 1939. All the Zionists of that time agreed that it was nothing less than a death sentence for Zionism and that the MacDonald White Paper would be broken by themselves “under the sheer weight of [its] injustice” before its deadline. That’s what the Holohoax finally achieved. A huge political profit for Zionists.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Well, this is another basic antisemitic trope. No Germans’ responsibility involved. The nazis didn’t want to hurt them at all. But Hermie’s fiction is greater than that. Because he blames the victims. This is not only antisemitic, it is in real terms non-humane. It is the Hybris I mentioned before.”

                  Uninteresting emotional rambling…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Talking in real historical terms, now:”

                  At last !!

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “We are talking about all these things, or more correctly, you deniers talking and doubting and trying to contest the actual history narrative of the industrial systematic extermination of the Jews, precisely because these are the historical facts. The historical chain of the facts shows us that there was a multi-level plan to exterminate the Jews, which took a lot of turns and improvised deeds but lead to the one and undeniable truth: Jews were exterminated by the Nazis in millions.”

                  And who establishes that something is a historical fact and what is not a historical fact? The winners of every war, at any time of history, as well as the political-economic needs of current leaders. Don’t tell me that the Holohoax doesn’t satisfy both the winners of 1945 (myths of the good war, of the Allied heroes saving the world from the clutches of the Vile Beast itself….once again, etc.) and the Zionist-owned leaders of our time (Israel’s alleged right to exist, blah blah blah).

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “If the Nazis and Hitler did not want to hurt the Jews, then why there isn’t much to deal with in the public sphere with your claims?”

                  For the same reason as that which explains why Muslim countries don’t make and spread homosexual propaganda. A state’s propaganda always reflects its own interests and moral standards.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Where is the evidence to confirm that the case was different?”

                  In Holohoaxsters’ inability to bring physical evidence of their claims…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: Why we do not talk about elements and events that confirm your own version of the chain of the facts?

                  Because ‘you’ are unparalleled hypocrites. 😉

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “When Hitler marked with ‘OK checks’ the reports from the 1941-1942 killings in the East (these reports circulated back then in dozens of copies), isn’t this proof that he approved them?”

                  Did he actually do it? And why would Hitler have opposed reports on the harshness of the savage war on the eastern front in the first place?

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “You’re hiding behind the evolution of the terms used for the extermination, but these tricks don’t work for serious people.”

                  This is unfortunate because Hitler clearly explained in his public speeches about the ausrottung/vernichtung of Jewry that it was just about mere anti-Jewish propaganda and laws.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “1. Goebbels’ diary talks about the Jews:”

                  Goebbels’ rabid anti-Semitism was no secret. Unimpressive ‘argument.’ I said similar things at least 5 times just last month. Proves nothing. Goebbels was in favor of the most radical action against Jews? So what? He was not in charge of the final solution. He was the gauleiter of Berlin and the minister of propaganda.

                  I could quote as well some entries in Goebbels diaries explaining that the Jews of Europe were being gathered and held in eastern camps and ghettos pending their final eviction to Africa, after the end of WW2. But wouldn’t I be wasting my time??? Could you hear that???

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “2. The Posen speech:”

                  There are various opinions about the Posen speech, mine being that quoted part is just a forgery. Do I need to explain why it’s a dubious piece of evidence? Or have you already heard these arguments?

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “3. Eichmann describes how in July 1941 (if you piece together the actual months and the dates) he is summoned to Berlin to visit Reinhard Heydrich, the chief of the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA). Heydrich utters to him the fateful words, according to the denier Irving:”

                  Ufological/testimonial BS detected…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “4. Letter from Hermann Goering to Reinhard Heydrich, Berlin, July 31, 1941.Goering orders Heydrich to prepare for the Final Solution”

                  You are aware that the words “final solution to the Jewish question/problem” were just old Zionist vocabulary dealing with a territorial evacuation of European Jewry, aren’t you?

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “5. And we know, of course, that in the Wannsee conference the discussion covered killing, elimination, and annihilation, and that was used cloaked language to refer to extermination.”

                  The magic alleged Nazi code words and euphemisms (turning any innocuous document into evidence of its exact opposite) to the rescue of the Holohoax once again !! Just as I said in my previous comments…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Did those sources -the Posen speech, the Goebbels diary, the Wannsee Conference and the letter of July 31, 1941- indicate any plan to exterminate European Jews? – No, of course not, all deniers say.”

                  And they are right to say that, as briefly explained above.

                  The rest of my response to your very long comment tomorrow…

                  Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 8:12 pm

                • Hermie wrote:
                  – The rest of my response to your very long comment tomorrow

                  I’m looking forward to it. You’re good. Talking with impartiality, you’re a good debater (taking out the ad hominems and the grab of every opportunity to discredit what you call ’emotional’ stuff etc as something necessarily bad thing).

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 9, 2017 @ 4:15 am

                • Here’s the rest of my response…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Which it brings us again here: Then, what is this all about, since the Nazis didn’t, in fact, want to kill the Jews, but -what a coincident-, the Jews were killed!”

                  A coincidence the accusers never bothered to prove satisfactorily, concocting extravagant theories supposed to explain why they couldn’t and didn’t evidence their assertions according to the evidentiary standards of the 20th century.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “What a fiction! Occult’s razor tell us that the simplest hypothesis is the most possible one. Real life, not fiction.”

                  That’s what Occult’s razor tells us. But Occam’s razor tells us that the Holocaust conspiracy theory was a mere political hoax, not an actual event cynically ignored by the Soviet-Allied leaders, the Red Cross, the Vatican, the non-Zionist Jewish leaders of that time and almost everybody else as Holohoaxsters now claim. If almost everybody acted as if nothing was happening, Occam’s razor tells us that it is because nothing was happening. There was no “conspiracy of silence” as the Zionists [used to] claim. There was merely nothing to say and do because nothing was happening.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “So, your version of the chain of the facts is that these Jews never died. In your case, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You should expect that positive evidence for the hypothesis ‘Nazis didn’t want to hurt the Jews’ should have been found, but it wasn’t. Remember, that ‘in some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence’.”

                  Yes, in this case, absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence. A mass murder of 6 million Jews would have left mountains of physical evidence and it didn’t. If the Holocaust conspiracy theory was an actual event, the Soviet-Allied ‘prosecutors’ and their heirs wouldn’t have been reduced to claiming that some alleged phantom obliteration units had made million of corpses disappear without a trace, that the Nazi documents don’t say what they say but what we’re told they say, and that pictures of typhus epidemics in Dachau and Belsen prove that there were homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz and Treblinka. The absence of physical evidence that the ‘Holocaust’ occurred is positive evidence of its non-occurrence.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “We, real historians, have reconstructed the facts, day by day. The whole chain of the facts. We, real historians, we do have a complete, full and precise overall narrative.”

                  Yes, you constructed fictional events through Ufological ‘evidence.’ Congrats !!

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Do you also have a complete, full and precise and overall narrative that covers all aspects, in every single angle, in every country and at any given time? Every new single piece of evidence confirms our narrative, as it happens in the 90s, with the opening of the Eastern bloc’s archives or every other archive and piece of evidence found ever since 1945. We offer an explanation for everything. What do you offer in real historical terms?”

                  Yes, you offer laughable explanations for the absence of physical and documentary evidence of your horror story and for your need to use testimonial BS as the sole ‘evidence’ of your claims. Your narrative is as detailed and evidenced as Bible stories.

                  “But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.” – [Pope of Holo-exterminationism] Raul Hilberg, The destruction of European Jews, revised version trying to fill the gaps (in fact, huge ravines) in the Holocaust conspiracy theory’s evidential arsenal.

                  Do historians with palpable evidence of their assertions in their hands often resort to telepathy to explain their conclusions?

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “You only cast a doubt here and there, you ‘re playing a game with the minor details, you set a partial objection whenever you can, but can you tell the whole overall story? You didn’t answer the question what happened to the almost 1,5 million Jews that ‘went East’, the Jews you claim only ‘transferred’.”

                  Yes, I answered this question. Perhaps you didn’t like the answer. But don’t say I didn’t answer the question.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Even Irving admits it: – I think we have to accept that there were My Lai-type massacres where SS officers -the Einsatzkommandos- did machine-gun hundreds if not thousand of Jews into pits. On the Eastern Front, at Riga, at Minsk, and at other locations, this kind of thing did happen.”

                  The ‘Holocaust’ is not about “hundreds if not thousands of Jews” shot into pits on the Eastern front. It is about 5-6 million Jews perishing in Europe during WW2.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “It seems you are all too rich and you don’t want to make 4.000$ easily. All it was asked, was just 4 cases of surviving Jews. Actually, I’m doubling the offer. In Salonica, Greece, there were at least 6.000 kids going to elementary school in 1941. In 1943 there were 4.500 kids under 4, and a total of 12.000 under 16. Salonica Jews were transferred to Poland between March 1943 and August 1943, with a total of 18 train routes to Auschwitz (and one in Bergen-Belsen, but this is a different story). You claim they were sent for vacation in Auschwitz. Find me just 5 kids under 10 years old that survived Auschwitz, let’s say that they were alive in July 1945, and you’ll make another 4.000$. That’s easy money, if you think you’re right and if you’re stick to your story.”

                  Now accusers ask for evidence that the people they say dead didn’t die?!? What a crazy world !! Burden of proof upside down at its best !

                  Unimpressive. This is merely the exterminationist reaction to the Nafcash challenge (http://www.nafcash.com/), with the exterminationist swindlers again gesticulating and posturing to refuse their due burden of proof as usually.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Where did the Nazis deport these almost 1,5 million Jews that ‘went East’?”

                  To the camps and ghettos of Eastern Europe.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Where is the proof?”

                  In the exterminationists’ inability to show us mass graves with even a tiny fraction of those alleged dead bodies.

                  In the un-decoded Nazi documents…

                  “Meanwhile, the war against the Soviet Union has allowed us to dispose of new territories for the final solution. Consequently, the Führer has decided to displace the Jews not towards Madagascar but towards the East. Thus, there is no longer any need to consider Madagascar for the final solution.” – [leader of the Judenreferat of Ribbentrop’s Foreign Affairs Ministry] Franz Rademacher, Feb. 10th 1942, Nuremberg Doc. NG-3933

                  “Starting with the territory of the Reich and proceeding to the remaining European countries included in the final solution, the Jews are currently being deported to large camps which have already been established or which are to be established in the East, where they will either be used for work or else transported still farther to the East. The old Jews as well as Jews with high military decorations [Kriegsauszeichnungen] (Iron Cross 1st Class, (E.K.I.) Golden Medal for Valor [Goldene Tapferkeitsmedaille], etc.), are currently being resettled in the city of Theresienstadt which is located in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.” – [Head of the Nazi Party Chancellery & Hitler’s Personal Secretary] Martin Bormann, October 9, 1942, Preparatory Measures for the Solution of the Jewish Problem in Europe – Rumors About the Position of the Jews in the East, Nuremberg document 3244-PS.

                  “I read a detailed report from the SD and police regarding a final solution of the Jewish Question. Any final solution involves a tremendous number of new viewpoints. The Jewish Question must be solved within a pan-European frame. There are 11 million Jews still in Europe. They will have to be concentrated later, to begin with, in the East; possibly an island, such as Madagascar, can be assigned to them after the war. In any case there can be no peace in Europe until the last Jews are shut off from (ausgeschaltet) the continent.” – Goebbels’ diaries, March 7, 1942.

                  “I talked to the Führer once more in detail about the Jewish Question. His attitude is unrelenting. He wants, under all circumstances, to push the Jews out (herausdrängen) of Europe. That is right. The Jews have brought so much misery to our continent that the severest punishment meted out to them is still too mild. Himmler is presently implementing a large resettlement (Umseidlung) of Jews from German cities to the eastern ghettos.” – Goebbels’ diaries, April 27, 1942.

                  “The responsible Higher-SS leader reported to me on the conditions in the [Warsaw] ghetto. The Jews are now in large part evacuated (evakuiert) and established in the East. This is quite generous to them.” – Goebbels’ diaries August 21, 1942.

                  “I talked to the Führer once more in detail about the Jewish Question. His attitude is unrelenting. He wants, under all circumstances, to push the Jews out (herausdrängen) of Europe. That is right. The Jews have brought so much misery to our continent that the severest punishment meted out to them is still too mild. Himmler is presently implementing a large resettlement (Umseidlung) of Jews from German cities to the eastern ghettos.” – Goebbels’ diaries, August 27, 1942.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Are there train schedules? Names of commanders of these camps? Witnesses, including inmates or guards?”

                  Why would the Soviets (who captured the Eastern camps) have kept and provided documentary evidence demolishing their own atrocity propaganga on Nazi Germany??? Nobody has ever been able to tell me why they would have done such a stupid thing.

                  It’s known that a single Soviet bomb destroyed the entire paper trail about deportations to (and from) Belzec. So how many bonfires needed to obliterate all the German documents of the Reinhardt camps debunking the Soviet atrocity propaganda about these places? 2? 3? 4? Not many, for sure…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Not even one had survived to claim compensation from Germany?”

                  So who were those millions of Jews still claiming ‘compensation’ from Germany in the 1990’s???

                  Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 5:01 am

                • So, this is your proof for your alternative version ‘Jews only were transferred’, some logs in Goebbels’ diary, a diary which in other cases you deny because after 1941 someone typed it etc. etc.

                  Now, find some fiction to explain why when Himmler wanted to keep in life some 10.000 elite Jews from France, Hungary etc in order to exchange them with money and gold from abroad, why did he asked specific for Hitler’s approval on that plan, since no Jew was ever meant to be killed, according to your version, and we’re OK. I got all the possible answers I wanted to, in order to put together all deniers’ claims for the chain of the facts. Why Himmler had to seek specific approval from Hitler for this plan, if not because all the other Jews were headed to their death and both Himmler and Hitler knew that?
                  Please.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 10, 2017 @ 6:32 am

                • You wrote: “when Himmler wanted to keep in life some 10.000 elite Jews from France, Hungary etc in order to exchange them with money and gold from abroad,”

                  I wrote about this on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/hungarian-jews-saved-by-rezso-kasztner-the-famous-jews-for-trucks-deal/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 10, 2017 @ 7:11 am

                • FG wrote:

                  – I wrote about this on this blog post: (link for Hungarian Jews)

                  I don’t think we are talking about the same thing here.
                  I am talking about the December 10th, 1942 meeting of Himmler with Hitler, long before your case.
                  In his notebook, Himmler wrote before the meeting something like ‘I’m not in favour of this’ and ‘important as hostages’.
                  After the meeting he wrote ‘exchange’ (=money) and ‘from abroad’.

                  You can see in Yehuda Bauer’s book ‘Jews for sale?’, page 103 and Alexandra-Eileen Wenck’s book ‘Zwischen Menschenhandel und Endoslung’, page 76 or in Heinrich Himmler’s ‘Dienstkalender’.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 10, 2017 @ 7:44 am

                • You wrote: “Why Himmler had to seek specific approval from Hitler for this plan, if not because all the other Jews were headed to their death and both Himmler and Hitler knew that?
                  Please.”
                  I wrote about this on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/did-hitler-just-want-to-expel-the-jews-from-europe-or-did-he-want-to-kill-them-all/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 10, 2017 @ 7:21 am

                • Let’s go to the heart of the subject.
                  You say Holocaust is a conspiracy.

                  Even this is the case, why deniers have been unable to produce, in forty years of effort, a counter-narrative to the inherited history of Auschwitz?
                  The deniers claim to be revisionist historians, but they have yet to produce a history that offers a plausible, “revised” explanation of the events in question. Until now, they have had a nihilist agenda. They have attacked the inherited account on the unproven assumption of some general conspiracy, but they have not been able, or willing, to produce serious revisionist historiography that gives us the origin and development of this conspiracy, the reason why and how it seized on, of all places, those very “ordinary” Auschwitz concentration camps as the fulcrum of its effort to hoodwink both gentiles and Jews, to leverage the international community in general, and defraud the Germans and the Arabs in particular.

                  It’s easy to play Sherlock Holmes, but when it comes to the counter-narrative, then ‘no answer’ (the same as saying ‘it was a conspiracy’ in real historians point of view) and they focus again in the details.
                  Despite their claim to be “revisionists,” deniers have not yet begun to undertake the task of “revising history.” True revisionist history not only destroys an inherited view of the past, but also provides an alternative.

                  Where is yours? It’s over 40 years now, and yet nowhere.

                  Show me a book that it was peer-reviewed by a credible journal. You should have not only a book, but volumes of volumes or an encyclopedia with your counter-narrative. Show me a book that went through academia and is considered a credible work

                  The reason?
                  Deniers are not historians. They are a bunch of pseudo-scientific Sherlock Holmes.

                  You assume that the whole “legend” will dissolve when one can show one error, one mistake, one inconsistency, or one contradiction.
                  The assumption that the discovery of one little crack will bring the whole building down is the fundamental fallacy of Holocaust Denial. It would be a legitimate argument if indeed our knowledge of the Holocaust depended on our knowledge of the extermination installations of Auschwitz, and if the existence and operation of the gas chambers was proved by very few bits of information. This is obviously nonsensical. First of all there is the fact that if we assume the Holocaust to have happened more or less as told, all the evidence becomes intelligible, while if we assume it was a hoax, most of the evidence does not make any sense.

                  – Force your imagination as much as you please, you will find insurmountable difficulties in your way, if you suppose the fact to be invented: but all these difficulties vanish when you suppose it true

                  Our knowledge of the Holocaust depends on tens of thousands of individual pieces of information, many of which have nothing to do with Auschwitz, and if we do consider Auschwitz, then we may safely state that our knowledge of the gas chambers depend on thousands of individual pieces of evidence of different kinds and classes. All those data converge to a conclusion. Even if one can point at erroneous information, inconsistencies and contradictions–normal occurrences in everyday historical practice–this does not mean that these disprove the existence of the gas chambers, or the Holocaust.

                  Now you can read Michael Shermer and his essay on ’18 proofs’:

                  – A Case Study in Convergence

                  Let us examine how this works as a case study in history as a science. We have an eyewitness account by a survivor who says he heard about gassing Jews while he was at Auschwitz. The revisionist says that survivors exaggerate and that their memories are unsound. Another survivor tells another story different in details but with the core similarity that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. The revisionist claims that rumors were floating throughout the camps and many survivors incorporated them into their memories. An SS guard confesses after the war that he actually saw people being gassed and cremated. The revisionist claims that these confessions were forced out of the Nazis by the Allies. But now a Sonderkommando–a Jew who helped the Nazis load dead bodies out of the gas chambers and into the crematoria–says he not only heard about it, and not only saw it happening, he actually participated in the process. The revisionist explains this away by saying that the Sonderkommando accounts make no sense– their figures of numbers of bodies are exaggerated and their dates are incorrect. What about the camp commandant, who confessed after the war that he not only heard, saw, and participated in the process, but that he orchestrated it!? He was tortured, says the revisionist. But what about his autobiography written after his trial, conviction, and sentencing to death, when he had nothing to gain by lying? No one knows why people confess to ridiculous crimes, explains the revisionist, but they do.

                  No single testimony says “Holocaust” on it. But taking many together the story begins to unfold. And now the revisionist’s defense is beginning to unravel. Instead of the historian having to present “just one proof,” the revisionist must now disprove five pieces of historical data, with five different methods of disproof. But there is more. We have the blueprints for both the gas chambers and the crematoria–huge structures built for processing large numbers of bodies. Those were used strictly for delousing, claims the revisionist, and thanks to the Allies’ war against Germany, the Germans were never given the opportunity to deport the Jews to their own homeland, and instead had to put them into overcrowded camps where disease and lice were rampant. What about the huge orders of Zyklon-B gas? It was strictly used for delousing all those diseased inmates. What about those speeches by Hitler, Himmler, Frank, and Goebbels talking about the “extermination” of the Jews? Oh, they really meant “rooting out,” as in deporting them out of the Reich. What about Eichmann’s confession at his trial? He was coerced. Hasn’t the German government confessed that the Nazis attempted to exterminate European Jewry? Yes, but they lied so they could rejoin the family of nations.

                  Now the revisionist must rationalize no less than 14 different bits of evidence that “jump together” to a specific conclusion. But our convergence continues. If six million Jews did not die, where did they go? They are in Russia, and America, and Israel, and scattered throughout the world. But why can’t they find each other? They do– haven’t you heard the occasional stories of long-lost siblings making contact with each other after many decades? What about those photos and newsreels of the liberation of the camps with all those dead bodies and starving/dying inmates? Those people were well taken care of until the end of the war when the Allies were mercilessly bombing German cities, factories, and supply lines that were feeding those camps–the Nazis tried valiantly to save their prisoners but the combined strength of the Allies was too much. But what about all those accounts by prisoners of the brutality of the Nazis–the random shootings and beatings, the deplorable conditions, the freezing temperatures, the overwork, etc.? This is war. The Americans put Japanese in camps. The Japanese imprisoned Chinese. The Russians tortured Poles and Germans. War is hell. The Nazis are no different from anyone else.

                  Post Hoc Rationalization. We are now up to 18 proofs all converging toward one conclusion. The revisionist is desperately swinging away at them all, steadfastly determined not to give up his belief system. He is relying on what might be called post hoc rationalization–an after-the- fact reasoning to justify contrary evidence. In addition, the revisionist then shifts the burden of disproving all this evidence to the historian by mistakenly demanding that each one of these pieces of evidence independently prove the Holocaust.

                  Am I making all this up? No. This is not a hypothetical case study. Every one of these examples, and 10,000 more, are readily available in the various sources cited in this essay, as well as Danuta Czech’s Auschwitz Chronicle (1990), Henry Friedlander and Sybil Milton’s The Holocaust: Ideology, Bureaucracy, and Genocide (1980), Alex Grobman’s Genocide (1983), Michael Marrus’s edited nine-volume collection of articles on The Nazi Holocaust (1989), and Leni Yahil’s The Holocaust (1990). See Bibliography for full citations, as well as for the revisionists’ responses to these works, which include (with those already cited): Austin App’s The Six Million Swindle (1973), Arthur Butz’s The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (1976), Friedrich and Thomson’s The Hitler We Loved and Why (1977), Richard Harwood’s Did Six Million Really Die? (1992), David Irving’s Hitler’s War (1977), and Fred Leuchter’s numerous Leuchter Reports on Auschwitz, Dachau, Mauthausen, Hartheim, and the Mississippi Execution Gas Chamber. Publications about the revisionists include Shelly Shapiro’s Truth Prevails (1990), Pierre Vidal-Naquet’s Assassins of Memory (1993), Deborah Lipstadt’s Denying the Holocaust (1993), the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s The Neo-Nazi Movement in Germany (1993), and the ADL’s Hitler’s Apologists (1993).

                  http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-8.html

                  I’m not done yet.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 10, 2017 @ 12:39 pm

                • You gave a link to the Nizkor website. Niskor is an oldie, but goody.
                  I have written about Nizkor several time, including this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/nizkor/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 10, 2017 @ 12:55 pm

                • Klingon….You should just quit while you’re ahead…LOL
                  Our stand is pretty simple the Holohuxsters view is …..6 million Jews were killed in fake homicidal gas chamber, with any silly concoction or apparatus they can dream up to do it, not to mention the main way that they died was industrial bug spray. Their bodies were buried to hide the crime, mind you that digging deeper than 5ft would hit water (low Auschwitz water table) which would make it impossible for the bodies to burn eventually dug up as with Auschwitz in this case, burned in open pits with nothing but the fat of the bodies used as fuel and then the millions of pound of ashes dumped into the river.
                  In the Reinhardt camps 850,000 people were killed with diesel gas, which since has changed to regular gas, the bodies buried and again dug up but this time burned over pyres stroked with wood, which by the way they needed 400 pounds of wood for each body, you do the math for how much wood would be needed, yet there is NO woodpiles shown anywhere in the area to accomplish the burning, or anyone who mentions this huge forest of wood needed to do it, or the manpower needed to cut the trees down and trucks needed to transport this huge amount of wood.
                  Then there are the other camps which other silly methods were used to do the dirty deed.
                  So Klingon, you’re telling us we don’t have a handle on what happened here….LOL
                  Simply put nothing…..except HoloHuxster nonsense. Go back to the skeptics site and entertain yourself there

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 10, 2017 @ 5:17 pm

                • You wrote: “Go back to the skeptics site and entertain yourself there”

                  Is this what you are referring to:
                  http://www.skepticforum.com/

                  You people are currently commenting on a BLOG which is quite different from a FORUM.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 11, 2017 @ 7:07 am

                • I have written in the past about the difference between a blog and a discussion forum:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/11/08/the-difference-between-a-blog-and-a-discussion-forum/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 11, 2017 @ 8:06 am

                • I’m really grateful to both of you, FG and JR, for introducing me to the Skeptics Forum, in which I see there are lots of smart, intelligent and very nice people, who know what they’re talking about.
                  I see Ravioli had some quality time over there, and that he left him mark and he’s been discussed even today, after his ban, who knows for what reasons.

                  Nice, thank you a lot.

                  Well, I’m almost done in my collection of the deniers’ alleged so called ‘arguments’

                  – Not a single Nazi ever questioned, and thousands of them were, ever denied the Holocaust.

                  Ah, yes. They were tortured, like Hoss, right?

                  Seriously?
                  That means that all these people went to trial (and many to execution) without once shouting “It’s a LIE!!!!” The hundreds and thousands of Nazi troops captured were also kept silent.

                  “Of course they did,” Holocaust deniers will say, “it’s a conspiracy!!”

                  A successful conspiracy to keep 30+ leaders, all on trial for their lives, from arguing “we didn’t do it!” A successful conspiracy to silence thousands of captured Nazi troops.

                  The Holocaust directly involved millions of people. Millions. Soldiers, prisoners, and observers of all kinds saw the concentration camps, the gas chambers, and the ovens. To successfully fake the Shoah, all of those people would have to keep their mouths shut.
                  How would you get Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, and Germans to work together on the hoax? They all hated each other almost as much as they hated the Jews. Not gonna happen.
                  No.

                  The Nazis couldn’t shut up about how wonderful their new world order was going to be. The Holocaust was no exception. At trial, the accused gave detailed, clinical descriptions of how it all worked. Every one of them talked about it, described it and agreed that it happened.
                  Some tried excuses like “I was just following orders.”
                  None said “It never happened.”

                  Not one.

                  Yet, Hoss’ torture is a big lie, too.

                  When Hoss was captured his captors already knew who he was. His wife also confirmed it, but he continued to maintain he was a farmer called Lang (knowing that admitting to being Rudolf Hoss was tantamount to a death sentence). This was when some of his captors beat him up until he admitted who he was.

                  But no-one then continued to beat him up for the next YEAR, during which he willingly signed affidavits about what he’d done, testified at length at Nuremberg and even wrote a detailed memoir detailing his life, making excuses for his actions and explaining what he did at Auschwitz in detail. On the contrary, he expressed surprise at how well he was treated.

                  So to pretend all of his months and months of detailed testimony were somehow precipitated by one beating when he was captured and that he went to the gallows sticking to a story that was, somehow, an elaborate lie is clearly absurd. It’s made doubly absurd by the fact that everything he said was confirmed by vast documentation, by multiple eye-witnesses including other Nazis of varying rank, by photographs, and by archaeology. It takes a special kind of stupidity to argue this one beating means we can ignore all of Hoss’ evidence and he is just ONE of the hundreds of Nazis who detailed what happened.

                  This one, simple fact shows that everything the modern deniers try to claim is a post hoc contrivance. From 1945 onwards, thousands of Nazis were captured and hundreds tried for their part in the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity. They tried to pretend they were someone else, they tried to pretend they didn’t know what was happening, they tried to pretend they didn’t have as much to do with it as others, they tried to claim they were just following orders and they tried to justify it as “the kind of thing that happens in war.” But what not one of them ever did was deny it happened. Even men on trial for their lives, in the full knowledge they would be hanged if convicted, never stood up in the courtroom and shouted “This is all a lie! This is a fabrication! There were no gas chambers and no crematoria! I’m being framed!” On the contrary, they gave great detail as to precisely how they had helped build and helped run the mechanics of mass murder, some of them even seeming proud of how they had achieved something so complex and on such a vast scale.

                  Not a single Nazi ever questioned, and thousands of them were, ever denied the Holocaust. Without exception, every Nazi tried or questioned over the matter fully agreed it all happened and this fact leaves the deniers with nowhere to go. All they can do is fall back on idiotic arguments like all these I’ve read here these days, which simply expose their position as the utter irrational stupidity it is.

                  So, your idols didn’t deny it. You do. How is that possible? How can these cowards to be your heroes?
                  I know. It’s about nazism, ‘the cause’.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 11, 2017 @ 12:45 pm

                • You wrote: “Yet, Hoss’ torture is a big lie, too.
                  When Hoss was captured his captors already knew who he was. His wife also confirmed it, but he continued to maintain he was a farmer called Lang (knowing that admitting to being Rudolf Hoss was tantamount to a death sentence). This was when some of his captors beat him up until he admitted who he was.”

                  I wrote about the capture of Rudolf Hoess [not Hoss] on my website at
                  https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/RudolfHoess.html

                  This was written BEFORE I became a Holocaust denier.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 11, 2017 @ 1:09 pm

                • You wrote: “Not a single Nazi ever questioned, and thousands of them were, ever denied the Holocaust.”

                  I wrote about this on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/the-nuremberg-show-trials-aka-the-nuremberg-international-military-tribunal/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 11, 2017 @ 1:23 pm

                • Klingon….I’m glad you found the Skeptics site. There are two skeptics forums one is the USA and then there is the international site….both full of knuckleheads who agree 100% that the HoloHoax happened and 6 million Jews were killed in Fake gas chambers using an industrial bug spray. it’s a place that you will thrive on because the people their are a lot like you. You know what they say birds of a feather, shit and eat together, that is the Skeptics sites for you.
                  For me I found them to be narrow minded cowards, self involved, egocentric, psychopathic bullshit artists, and I’m being nice here…….standing behind their silly rules, which eventually stops our freedom of speech.
                  How they can look themselves in the mirror is beyond me….but it’s nice to see the Communist Troikas are still alive and well today. Actually they are just real dangerous people that will be glad to put the noose around our revisionists necks when the time comes.
                  I’m sure they will give you a good story on why they kicked my brother, Diane and Me off the site.
                  Hopefully you will spend more time there than here because WE are not as easily manipulated as they are there with their crazy HoloHoax theories and conspiracies, and they are got some good ones.
                  Check your brain in at the door you won’t be needed it. Good luck!

                  JR
                  Holocausthandbooks.com
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  IHR.ORG
                  VHO.ORG
                  CODOH.COM

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 11, 2017 @ 2:40 pm

                • You wrote: “the Skeptics Forum, in which I see there are lots of smart, intelligent and very nice people, who know what they’re talking about.”

                  Not according to me. I would be kicked off this forum on my first day there. These people write long, boring essays, with which I disagree.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 11, 2017 @ 1:35 pm

                • FG wrote:

                  – I would be kicked off this forum on my first day there. These people write long, boring essays, with which I disagree.

                  Perhaps you should give it a try, and see if your wild guess is right or not.

                  I see your ex friend ‘The Black Rabbit of Inle’ did followed the rational way of thinking and did changed his mind. He confesses he knows the truth now:

                  I’m convinced by the Nazis’ own documents that there must have been an extermination programme operating at the AR camps. So, I can pretty much accept there was something similar happening at Chelmno, even if it’s not a place I’ve yet been to or know that much about. There’s certainly a lot of unanswered questions for which we’ll probably never get satisfactory answers, but there’s really nothing to support the transit camps theory; aside from Karski of course.
                  http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27426#p540012

                  But this didn’t make so happy the CODOH guys.

                  – The Black Rabbit of Inle now a Holocaust believer !!
                  https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=10723

                  It’s very nice to see all these:
                  Funny how denier logic works.

                  – When someone does not deny the holocaust and never did —–> “You are just brainwashed by the Jews and schools and media and ZOG!”
                  when someone denies the holocaust, does a ton of research and eventually changes his mind ———-> “You are just brainwashed by the Jews and schools and media and ZOG!

                  Try it, my dear FG, you never know.
                  Even Irving did it.

                  David Irving confirms Holocaust and 6 million figure!, April 2016

                  There’s always something good out of situations like the above. At least, for example, Irving isn’t as laughable as he used to be when he talked about the … ‘Listerine® conspiracy’ (!)

                  The May 1995 Radical’s Diary.
                  The May 1995 column ends with an expose of a conspiratorial stroke of secret anti-Germanism, disguised as … a mouthwash commercial.
                  Yes, a mouthwash commercial. We are not making this up.
                  From Irving’s May 1995 Newsletter:
                  ‘there’s currently a black and white newsreel-type Listerine commercial showing on American television with a sinister man intoning the message, ‘They’re Germs — show no mercy!’ and slurring the G-word so it sounds like something else. Watch for it. And learn’
                  http://web.archive.org/web/19970721012246/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/listerine.html

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 12, 2017 @ 6:18 am

                • You wrote “Perhaps you should give it [the Skeptic forum] a try, and see if your wild guess is right or not.”

                  I don’t want to spend my time writing long essays on a forum, wondering if and when I will be kicked off. Of course, I would be kicked off. Everything that I believe, and write, is the opposite of what is allowed on this forum.

                  I don’t want to abandon my blog, in order to write on a forum. You seem to believe that this forum is the be-all, end-all of everything. I have better things to do.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 12, 2017 @ 8:36 am

                • JR wrote:
                  – needed 400 pounds of wood for each body, you do the math for how much wood would be needed, yet there is NO woodpiles shown anywhere in the area to accomplish the burning

                  Really, the math is for exapmle, ‘400 pounds for one body’, that is, ‘400.000 pounds for 1000 bodies’, Jim?

                  Do you change the coal all the time, in every single steak you roast when you’re having BBQ?
                  Or with the first pound of coal you used for the first steak, you can then roast another 10 steaks, maybe with the addition of a little bit of coal?

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 11, 2017 @ 7:52 am

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “I’m looking forward to it. You’re good. Talking with impartiality, you’re a good debater (taking out the ad hominems and the grab of every opportunity to discredit what you call ’emotional’ stuff etc as something necessarily bad thing).”

                  What you (and so many people) erroneously call “ad hominems” are in fact ad personam attacks. Ad hominem arguments are something different. See Schopenhauer’s writings if you want to know the difference between both things.

                  This being said, you are the guy labelling others as evil nazis, deniers, racists, anti-Semites, haters, maniacs and so on in almost every comment. And I’m not the guy who invented the opposition between reason and passion. Ancient Greek philosophers used to do that too, as well as many thinkers after them. Emotions inhibit rational thinking. Nothing new nor even revolutionary. Very commonplace in fact.

                  Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 5:13 am

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “So, this is your proof for your alternative version ‘Jews only were transferred’, some logs in Goebbels’ diary, a diary which in other cases you deny because after 1941 someone typed it etc. etc.”

                  That was Talbot (who dismissed Goebbels’ diaries after 1941), not me.

                  Note no alternative version is even needed as long as accusers/Holohoaxsters (on whom the burden of proof lies) fail to prove their case with reliable evidence.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Now, find some fiction to explain why when Himmler wanted to keep in life some 10.000 elite Jews from France, Hungary etc in order to exchange them with money and gold from abroad, why did he asked specific for Hitler’s approval on that plan, since no Jew was ever meant to be killed, according to your version, and we’re OK. I got all the possible answers I wanted to, in order to put together all deniers’ claims for the chain of the facts. Why Himmler had to seek specific approval from Hitler for this plan, if not because all the other Jews were headed to their death and both Himmler and Hitler knew that? Please.”

                  Asking permission from his/her boss, isn’t it what any good employee does before engaging in a big deal? Your foregone conclusion makes you see sinister things in the most innocuous events. Funny. Almost paranoid. You look like the ghost hunters who piss on themselves when they hear squeaks and crunches in a old house… 😉

                  Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 8:05 am

                • I was hoping for this answer (in fact, I knew it, and the same goes with a number of your other answers, all of them obvious, too).
                  This is not the case, and you’ll see why, as you give me the impression that you didn’t know the story (it was the same meeting in which the fate of 600.000-700.000 Jews from France was discussed and there was a note ‘abschaffen’ next to this subject in the document, not to mention the document with the order sent to Muller after that with the exact words ‘Hitler ordered’ etc), but all these now give me plenty of room to show how big are the holes in your logic and in your version of the events. Just wait a little.

                  Now this is irrelevant, but I would appreciate an answer.
                  No matter what your opinion in the Holocaust may be, you are a proud Nazi, a Hitler admirer and a Jew-hater, right?

                  If you’re proud enough for your beliefs to answer it, OK, it’s only for the record.
                  If you don’t, never mind.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 10, 2017 @ 9:49 am

                • Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 8:20 am

                • With a reference so vague, it’s no surprise nobody sees what you’re talking about.

                  In addition to tone it down, could you finally formulate a clear question with dates, names, quotes, etc.? Or is that too much asked?!?

                  I like your hysterical way of requiring answers while you never even bother to answer mine…

                  Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 2:36 pm

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Let’s go to the heart of the subject. You say Holocaust is a conspiracy.”

                  I was only quoting the Nuremberg ‘prosecutors.’ The words ‘conspiracy’ and ‘conspirators’ were recurring terms, almost gimmicks, in Nuremberg, at the IMT.

                  by Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Even this is the case, why deniers have been unable to produce, in forty years of effort, a counter-narrative to the inherited history of Auschwitz?”

                  They have, but you don’t care. Just as you keep repeating that I have no narrative while I gave it to you long ago. You, and yours, just don’t listen because you don’t feel that you talk to human beings. In your minds, you talk to subhuman ‘deniers’. And who cares about the words of subhumans?

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “The deniers claim to be revisionist historians, but they have yet to produce a history that offers a plausible, “revised” explanation of the events in question. Until now, they have had a nihilist agenda. They have attacked the inherited account on the unproven assumption of some general conspiracy, but they have not been able, or willing, to produce serious revisionist historiography that gives us the origin and development of this conspiracy, the reason why and how it seized on, of all places, those very “ordinary” Auschwitz concentration camps as the fulcrum of its effort to hoodwink both gentiles and Jews, to leverage the international community in general, and defraud the Germans and the Arabs in particular.”

                  The ‘Holocaust’ itself was a conspiracy (according to the accusers themselves), not its endorsement and promotion. Victors write history and they write it according to their propaganda needs. And one of the tricks of victors’ history writing is the vilification of their defeated enemies. A trend particularly pronounced among the Anglo-Saxons. Perhaps due to their Messiah complex, making them dream themselves as saviors of the world? All this to say that no conspiracy was needed to make the Allies, the Soviets and the Zionists support and feed the Holohoax. That’s just what winners do. The very same thing had been done against the Kaiser during WW1 and was done against various enemies afterwards. The great idea of the Zionists was that they made their own propaganda needs fit and even strengthen the Soviet-Allied case through the old propaganda principle that says “the guilty is the satanic and the satanic is the guilty.” The Soviet-Allied prosecution team insisted a lot on the claim that the alleged Nazi conspiracy to exterminate the Jews (“the satanic”) was a part of the alleged Nazi conspiracy to start wars of aggression (“the guilty”), i.e. that the ‘Holocaust’ proved that the Nazis were guilty of causing WW2. The Soviet-Allied prosecutors were of couse there to whitewash their own countries of any guilt in the titanic butchery that had just raged during 6 long years and to blame it all on the leaders of defeated Germany and Japan. The Zionist Holohoax just strengthened the Soviet-Allied claim that “the satanic” Nazi leaders were “the guilty” bad guys of WW2. No conspiracy was needed to make the Soviet-Allied victors support and endorse the Zionist Holohoax, Israel’s founding myth.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “It’s easy to play Sherlock Holmes, but when it comes to the counter-narrative, then ‘no answer’ (the same as saying ‘it was a conspiracy’ in real historians point of view) and they focus again in the details. Despite their claim to be “revisionists,” deniers have not yet begun to undertake the task of “revising history.” True revisionist history not only destroys an inherited view of the past, but also provides an alternative. Where is yours? It’s over 40 years now, and yet nowhere. ”

                  No answer??? See? You don’t listen. None of you does…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Show me a book that it was peer-reviewed by a credible journal. You should have not only a book, but volumes of volumes or an encyclopedia with your counter-narrative. Show me a book that went through academia and is considered a credible work”

                  Appeals to authority are the mark of the weak minds. Fallacious technique !

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “The reason? Deniers are not historians. They are a bunch of pseudo-scientific Sherlock Holmes.”

                  Now you know the term, this is a nice example of an ad personam attack. Another mark of the weak…

                  The rest in a near future. See you later…

                  Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 4:02 pm

                • Continued…

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “You assume that the whole “legend” will dissolve when one can show one error, one mistake, one inconsistency, or one contradiction. The assumption that the discovery of one little crack will bring the whole building down is the fundamental fallacy of Holocaust Denial. It would be a legitimate argument if indeed our knowledge of the Holocaust depended on our knowledge of the extermination installations of Auschwitz, and if the existence and operation of the gas chambers was proved by very few bits of information. This is obviously nonsensical. First of all there is the fact that if we assume the Holocaust to have happened more or less as told, all the evidence becomes intelligible, while if we assume it was a hoax, most of the evidence does not make any sense.”

                  C’mon, Κλέων Ι. The Soviets had gathered around 100 testimonies, as well as a number of archaeological distortions, about the alleged German guilt at Katyn for the IMT. Undeniably their most convincing work. But mendacious and deceitful from A to Z. Convergent BS remain BS, regardless of your posturing.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote :”Our knowledge of the Holocaust depends on tens of thousands of individual pieces of information, many of which have nothing to do with Auschwitz, and if we do consider Auschwitz, then we may safely state that our knowledge of the gas chambers depend on thousands of individual pieces of evidence of different kinds and classes. All those data converge to a conclusion. Even if one can point at erroneous information, inconsistencies and contradictions–normal occurrences in everyday historical practice–this does not mean that these disprove the existence of the gas chambers, or the Holocaust.”

                  Our knowledge of the ‘Holocaust’ depends on the misrepresentation and mislabeling of the health disaster that occurred in the last German concentration camps in operation at the very end of WW2. The propaganda exploitation of those terrible scenes emotionally conditioned and still conditions people’s brains to swallow any extravagant claim about the Nazis, i.e. led and still leads them to your ‘conclusions’ by drowning the alternative explanations under an emotional tsunami. Nothing but an emotional preparation, a deceptive shock therapy, making a number of commonplace facts converge to your sinister conclusion.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: Now you can read Michael Shermer and his essay on ’18 proofs’: – A Case Study in Convergence

                  Unimpressive straw man fallacy and oversimplifications intended to make various testimonial BS look more weighty than they are. Shermer could have written a similar text about alien abductions and the X proofs ‘demonstrating’ that extraterrestrial aliens abducted numerous human beings in order to study our species. The witchcraft ‘trials’ of the past used the same technique of multiple ‘proofs’ converging to a single conclusion, i.e. the conclusion that this or that woman was a witch and couldn’t be anything else. Bamboozlement at its best…

                  Comment by hermie — January 11, 2017 @ 8:33 pm

                • Hermie…..Klingon is happily biding his time at the skeptics forums with those of like beliefs.
                  It must be really exciting to be with all them there who believe the HoloHoax story 100% and have no issues with all the lies and distortions which they consider just lapses of judgement.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 11, 2017 @ 9:26 pm

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Not a single Nazi ever questioned, and thousands of them were, ever denied the Holocaust.”

                  Really?!?

                  Among others…

                  100% of the major Nazi ‘war criminals’ in custody denied the ‘Holocaust.’

                  And 97.3% of the SS men who mentioned the Jewish problem during their interrogation (i.e. 1,593 out of 1,637 SS men), denied the ‘Holocaust.’

                  “On the question of whether the SS members recognized the destruction of Jewry as an aim of the leaders, 1,593 out of 1,637 affidavits which mention this problem state that the Jewish problem was not to be solved by killing or the so-called “final solution,” and that they had no knowledge of these intentions of the leaders. They point out that the SS members were forbidden to undertake individual acts against Jews. As evidence, numerous members refer to the fact that many death or other severe sentences were passed because of crimes against Jewish persons or Jewish property.” – Dr. Horst Pelckmann (defense counsel for the SS at Nuremberg), August 21, 1946 (IMT Proceedings, vol. 21, p. 368).

                  Comment by hermie — January 12, 2017 @ 8:15 am

                • You should paste these quotes from the start, in order to understand the context of these answers. They were asked if they knew the initial aims of their leaders when they joined the SS. This doesn’t say a thing about how active they were in certain deeds afterwards. The quotes you pasted were about what they thought in i.e. 1933, or what they believed in general, not what they stated in court they did in 1944.

                  All of it:

                  There are 2,674 affidavits dealing with the training of SS men. In 3,138 affidavits it is asserted that crimes against humanity were not known to them and were certainly not committed.

                  The second subsection of Group III is to make clear what the members recognized as the actual aim of the organization. It is a question of ascertaining whether there was a contradiction between the theoretical training and the real actions of the leaders. Six hundred and eighty-eight affidavits deal with the question of whether power in Germany was to be achieved through suppression of political opponents. On the question of whether the SS members recognized the destruction of Jewry as an aim of the leaders, 1,593 out of 1,637 affidavits which mention this problem state that the Jewish problem was not to be solved by killing, or by the so-called “final solution,” and that they had no knowledge of these intentions of the leaders. They point out that the SS members were forbidden to undertake individual acts against Jews. As evidence, numerous members refer to the fact that many condemnations to death or to severe sentences were passed because of crimes against Jewish persons or Jewish property.

                  Another question was whether the SS members believed that the actual aim of the leaders was to rule Europe through war. There are 12,596 affidavits which say that neither statements of the SS leaders nor statements of Hitler made plain that the conquest of Europe was an aim of the SS.

                  And again. This was only an early part of the early trials. What about the trials in the 60s and 70s? Did they stand up and shout ‘It’s a lie’?
                  No, they didn’t.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 12, 2017 @ 10:06 am

                • Jim Rizoli wrote: “Hermie…..Klingon is happily biding his time at the skeptics forums with those of like beliefs.”

                  Glad to see he has finally found some friends to hunt ghosts with him… 😉

                  Comment by hermie — January 12, 2017 @ 8:27 am

                • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “You should paste these quotes from the start, in order to understand the context of these answers. They were asked if they knew the initial aims of their leaders when they joined the SS. This doesn’t say a thing about how active they were in certain deeds afterwards. The quotes you pasted were about what they thought in i.e. 1933, or what they believed in general, not what they stated in court they did in 1944.”

                  I’m afraid that none of your feverish gesticulations will change the fact that 97.3% of the SS men who mentioned the Jewish question stated in 1945-1946 (emphasis) that the Jewish problem was not to be solved by killing the Jews and that “they [still] had no knowledge of these intentions of their leaders” at that time.

                  Κλέων Ι. wrote: “And again. This was only an early part of the early trials. What about the trials in the 60s and 70s? Did they stand up and shout ‘It’s a lie’? No, they didn’t.”

                  At that time, any denial on their part would have been as useless as denying the existence of God in the hands of jihadists, conviction as “a non-repentent Nazi” guaranteed. Note that most of them (except the big fish) got very mild convictions (Germany was criticized for it) and served only a portion of their prison sentences. The price of silence and collaboration in ‘court’…

                  Comment by hermie — January 12, 2017 @ 8:36 pm

                • You wrote:”Note that most of them (except the big fish) got very mild convictions (Germany was criticized for it) and served only a portion of their prison sentences. The price of silence and collaboration in ‘court’…

                  I have blogged about the war crimes trials:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/dachau-trials/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 13, 2017 @ 6:51 am

              • Do you really want to know why the real historians refrain from participating in discussions about technical issues with the deniers? Well, it is not because real historians can’t tackle the deplorable deniers. They can, very well and very easily, and with great success, at any given time. It is because the deniers are not honest and decent interlocutors. The moment a historian shows you some very good and convincing evidence along with thousands of arguments, you deniers always find and ask for something else. Once a historian answer it too, there comes another one, and another one, and next, next, next, and then you will ask one more thing. and after that, another, and further, more, and more. And you jump from one topic to another, you make logical leaps, you ‘forget’ everything that does not suit your hoaxes, and you never admit your defeat. You can see it here, too and in the last debate some days ago. In over 12 to 15 cases, I’ve given you full answers, but you deniers were unable to say even once ‘yeah, right, I was wrong there’.
                These are your tactics and we know them well and in depth. Playing this game, a serious man after a while will be forced to respond to nonsense and fantasies and exaggerations and lies. So, the reason that real historians refrain from participating in discussions about technical issues with the deniers is because the deniers are dishonest. And this is quite natural since they are fascists and Nazis and followers of Hitler. The ‘moral’ (ethos) and the fascist political views go hand in hand. You are cheaters because you’re fascists and you are fascists because you are dishonest people. You are weasels that nobody can trust you.
                This is the reason.

                Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 2:18 pm

              • Kleon has submitted a video that recounts the story of the notorious British-based “holocaust survivor ” – Kitty Hart Moxon.

                But let’s see what Madam Hart Moxon claims about the time that she allegedly worked as an inmate in Birkenau from April 1943 until November 1944.

                She says that for 7 months of this time she worked in what was called the “Canada” section of the camp – where the prisoners clothes and property was sorted and stored.

                And this is what she claims to have witnessed while working in one of the barracks there;-

                “From our hut, I looked out on to the Gas Chamber and Crematorium No.4 – which stood maybe just 3 metres away.”

                ( The actual distance from these huts to Krema 4 was actually well over 30 metres ).

                “I saw people going into the building and never coming out. I saw the SS go up the ladders and empty tins of white crystals – which produced the poison gas – into a hole in the roof.”

                (Oh dear! – Kitty’s story has proved to be fake right there. Unfortunately for her, she didn’t check the official holohoax narrative properly, which says that only Kremas’ 2 and 3 had holes in the roof. It is alleged that the poison gas pellets were injected into Krema 4 by means of hatches located in the walls – the SS guard did not climb up a ladder on to the roof, but stood on a chair or a pair of steps to reach these opening hatches. Kitty cannot claim that this is a simple error. The actions of the SS carrying out this alleged operation several times a day for over seven months would be etched on her memory for ever.)

                “I heard screams a few minutes later. I saw smoke and fire, and men wheeling barrows of ash.”

                ( How could she hear screams from people locked inside a hermetically sealed chamber ?. Kitty may have seen some smoke, but certainly no fire or flames – so she is telling a porky-pie there. Once again, she has not thought her story through, because she does not mention the huge mound of coking-coal which would be necessary to fuel the cremation ovens – nor the lorries and carts which would be regularly delivering this coke to the crematorium. In fact, this scene would be more vivid and memorable than men pushing barrows of ashes around.)

                “At one point an SS woman escorted us back to the main camp on an errand. We were taken around the perimeter, past the woods at the back of Birkenau. There, they were driving people alive into burning pits.”

                ( Why on earth did the SS woman guard lead them round this way ?. If an errand had to be performed, then the direct route to Auschwitz main camp was straight through the Birkenau camp and out through its main gate, or the northern gate. And surely, if there was such horrific burnings going on inside the woods, then why would the SS allow prisoners to see such scenes and go on to be potential witnesses ?. One also has to ask, why it was necessary for the SS to build complex gas chambers and adjacent crematoriums, when according to Kitty, the Nazis were effortlessly driving the victims straight into pits where they were simply burnt alive and their bodies incinerated – and seemingly, all without the use of tons of fuel and Zyklon-B pellets !). ( Incidently – Kitty has changed her story in later accounts, and says that they were shot first, and their bodies thrown in. Well, that’s OK…..different audience – different story! )

                “On 7 October 1944, there was a huge explosion. The chimney of Krema 4 fell to the ground. I lay spread-eagled on the floor as I thought we were being bombed, but it was the uprising of 250 crematorium workers who had set fire to the building. All the escapees were killed however.”

                ( Kitty only mentions one chimney. But Krema 4 had two tall chimneys, and both of these would have been so prominent to anyone working inside the Canada section, that no one who genuinely worked in that vicinity would have been in any doubt about this.)

                You will all be interested to know that Madam Hart Moxon does not have a tattoo inscribed on her arm. Instead, she carries it around with her – along with her mother’s tattoo – in a mounted glass or translucent plastic frame. When and how these tattoos were extracted from the skin of the two women and transferred into this rather gruesome display has never been explained during nearly 40 years of her holohoax publicity career.

                Comment by Talbot — January 7, 2017 @ 12:33 pm

                • You mentioned Kitty Hart Moxon. I wrote about her at
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/kitty-hart-moxon/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2017 @ 12:57 pm

                • Why would they worry about storing their personal shit,if they were gonna kill them? Seems like they’d take what they could use,and toss the rest.

                  Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 3:50 pm

                • The Jews story is just one Hodge poge of lies.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 4:03 pm

                • Guess that’s why they run Hollywood. They’re good with fiction. H G Wells ain’t got shit on them.

                  Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 7:44 pm

                • I doubt if Klingons video can match the lies that were said at the Nuremberg trials and this is actually things that people swore to as happening
                  So what about it Klingon.
                  I thought one of the funniest ones was how they went from a small compact bone crushing machine to a bulldozer.. all the ridiculous nonsense that was said at the Nuremberg Trial you don’t hear anyone talking about it today because it’s such an embarrassment and miscarriage of Justice with the Germans being the ones who were harm by it all.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 5:12 pm

                • They used a dozer. They probably tried to say it was a Cat D9. Given the way they lie,they would’ve failed to realize,Cats weren’t available in Germany,and the D9 didn’t come along till ’55. Silly Jews

                  Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 7:42 pm

                • In 2013, Kitty Hart Moxon visited Auschwitz with a TV team. But this time, her companion and presenter was a big fat Irishman, named Stephen Nolan.

                  But I just wonder if he was deliberately chosen by the directors of the show to stand in contrast to the tiny, pint-sized, Kitty Hart Moxon. They certainly appeared as a weird, incongruous – almost humorous – double-act, as they wandered together through the two camps. He was asking her the usual breathless and syrupy questions, and she of course replied from her extensive repertoire of lies and fabrications.

                  Now the people who work in the mainstream media these days are not idiots – even though they have to tow the line regarding the “holocaust”. Most of them are well aware that the Auschwitz legend has been grossly over-exaggerated, and that less than 25% of Hart-Moxon’s story is true. But they have to obey their TV overlords and make these sort of shows for the general public. I suggest that their own professional pride kicked in as they planned this particular TV spectacular, and deliberately created this odd spectacle of a pair of clowns together – in order to give those viewers who don’t believe in the holohoax a bit of light relief.

                  I’ve no doubt they really wanted to call the TV show;- “Fatty and Shorty Visit Wonderland”, but this would have been too blatant, so they gave it the title;- “Story of a Lifetime – Kitty Hart-Moxon”. But one can catch the irony here – they are telling us that this is just a “story”, and its one of the best fairy tales that you will likely hear in your lifetime!

                  Anyone who is desperate to watch the show can type in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KljopUwkg

                  Comment by Talbot — January 8, 2017 @ 9:15 am

                • I think a better name for Kitty would have been Moron…..Kitty Hart Moron.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 8, 2017 @ 9:33 am

                • Hey Jimbo. Are there any Hebs out there,that are,”against” what history says about the holo?

                  Comment by Tim — January 9, 2017 @ 12:35 pm

                • As they toured around the Birkenau camp together, the irrepressible pair of unfunny comedians – Fatty and Shorty – entered a barracks called “Block 25”. It was in there, Kitty claimed, that all those women who were sentenced to death in the gas chamber were kept imprisoned without food and water, completely naked, for up to three days. This was done, apparently, because the Nazis did not want to waste their Zyklon-B pellets on small numbers of jews, and so they had to wait until trainloads of other doomed victims arrived directly from the railway ramp.

                  Fatty himself was most impressed with this story, but I personally found it rather difficult to believe. Surely it would have been far better to gas the victims in small batches anyway, because it would then allow the sondercommado teams to be able to cope with the work-loads and get a more regulated through-put of bodies into the crematoria. They would be rushed off their feet if the gas chambers were kept idle for several days but were then crammed full to overflowing only when the trains arrived.

                  So I wondered where Shorty had dreamt up this horrendous story – and then it became crystal clear!

                  Keeping prisoners naked and without food and water in dungeons for several days before taking them out and executing them, is what the Bolshevik Jews in the Soviet NKVD used to do to their victims. And being jewish herself, Kitty readily identified with this kind of savage, inhuman, behaviour, and that is why she parroted out such a blatant lie about “Block 25” to the gullible Fatty.

                  Anyway, they both finally finished up in the Auschwitz main camp where they display all the shorn hair and the large mounds of objects such as spectacles, suitcases, shoes, eating utensils and even artificial limbs. Fatty said on camera that he was dreading arriving in that block, because he might break down in tears. But once he was there, he told us that he didn’t feel like crying at all, but instead was very angry.

                  However, he didn’t actually tell us what he was angry about. And so we, the viewers, were left to speculate whether he was indignant about the Nazis confiscating the articles, and shaving the hair of the inmates; or, whether he was angry about the Auschwitz Museum putting on such a tacky and disgusting display in which to titillate the morbid curiosity of the visitors; or, whether he was outraged at being forced to share the company of the awful Kitty Hart Moxon for several days-on-end and having to listen to all the bulls..t that she was telling him.

                  Shorty was now out of camera shot at this stage – probably off somewhere else in the camp, boring the pants off some unlucky visitors that she had found with her endless stream of horror tales. But Fatty remained to interview a young women ( probably Jewish ) who was touring Auschwitz. And she was in floods of tears – bawling her eyes out, because she had just witnessed all these mounds of crap, and was overcome with grief. But I suspect she was really just an actor who had been placed there precisely to perform this stunt for the TV show.

                  Comment by Talbot — January 8, 2017 @ 10:02 am

                • Its just amazing the great show Holohuxsters can put on for something that didn’t happen.
                  And the academy award goes to……..All the Jews who lied their asses off about what really happened to them in the camps.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 8, 2017 @ 11:35 am

        • You wrote: “I can rebut deniers. You’re a very easy pray for me.”

          I think that you mean “easy prey”.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 6, 2017 @ 9:24 am

          • So Klingon is praying for us….
            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2017 @ 9:27 am

            • In fact, I do. For all people, even the hatemongers. There’s always hope they can come back to civilization and become humane again. But they won’t. Hitler once said to the Vienna governor’s wife ‘you have to learn to hate’, when she was complaining about the fate of the Jews when she eye-witnessed the Jews get loaded in trucks and sent to the death camps. Do you know the story? Even Irving wrote about it (but I guess books aren’t your thing). So, you learn to hate for no reason.It’s hard to ‘un-learn’.

              Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 12:54 pm

              • You’re new here. Your ignorance shows. Who gives a shit about Greece. Don’t you got some “Gods” on Mt. Olympus to go worship. Read Mein Kampf shit for brains. Hitler hardly rants about Jews at all.

                Comment by Tim — January 6, 2017 @ 1:46 pm

          • Yes, ‘prey’, with an ‘e’. Mea culpa, thanx.

            Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 10:15 am

    • Kahn. You’re really one stupid shit. You don’t know your bible.

      Ten Commandments apply to all of us. The Jews are chosen,because it was a toss up between,”Jews and Pagans ( I would’ve chose Pagans myself). Not a lot to choose from.

      Their responsibilities are no more than s Christians. Christ is quite clear in book of John . John. 14:6. “I am the way,truth,and the life. No one comes to my father,except through me.” No gray area there. There’s no exceptions for the Jews .

      No. They take,”chosen ones”,to be literal. Guess what? Their shit don’t fly.

      Considering they pretty much wrote the Old Testament,I don’t accept them ,”wandering the desert for 40 years”. Apply logic there. How could they sustain themselves for 40 years?

      They ain’t nothing but liars

      Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 3:32 pm

      • I’m an atheist. I don’t believe in God or anything else metaphysical. I know nothing about religions except what I was told in school.

        Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 7:38 am

        • You wrote: “I know nothing about religions except what I was told in school.”

          What kind of school? Was the Holocaust taught in the school? Was this a Catholic school where students were taught that Jesus was a Jew, so that Jews must be worshiped because they are a sacred people? I went to Catholic school where I learned that Jews must be worshiped.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 7:58 am

          • FG asked:
            – What kind of school?

            An ordinary public Greek school. That is 6 years kind of what you call ‘Elementary’ and 6 years kind of what you call ‘High School’ (next there are public Universities, if a student wants and if he can pass the exams, totally free, no money involved).

            In these 12 years, each year there is an obligatory class about Greek Orthodox religion, where Jews were mentioned as the people in the Bible, before Christ.
            No Holocaust was ever mentioned during these 12 years. In fact, all History classes stopped at Greece-Italy War 1940-1941, and maybe an hour or two about the German occupation. No Jews during WWII and Holocaust, no National Resistance, no partisans, no Civil War 1946-1949. These are all things one has to learn by himself, after school.

            Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 10:14 am

  5. What are you a Nazi?

    Comment by Susan Myers — January 5, 2017 @ 2:25 pm

    • Susan…..Really now….Do you know any “Nazi’s”? I DON’T BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER EXISTED.
      The term Nazi was NEVER used to identify the Germans by the Germans themselves. Nationalist Socialist was the correct terminology that they used.
      The Jews were the ones who coined the slanderous defaming word “Nazi'”. Which ironically is derived from the Jewish term Ashkenazim/Ashkenazi describing a sect of the Jews.
      Now to correct your question you might ask FG is she a Nationalist Socialist.

      You might want to get a better understanding of things and I can recommend several books, the first one being The Myth of German Villainy by Ben(Benton)Bradberry….you will learn quite a bit about Germany and how it all began and ended.
      I also recommend you read some of the Holocaust handbooks that will educate on what really happened during that time period. So you can remain ignorant of the facts or just go along a parrot what the other HoloHuxsters have been saying for the last 75 years. Most people are happy with not knowing the truth too much work involved in the investigation.

      Jim Rizoli
      HOLOCAUSTHANDBOOKS.COM
      CCFIILE.COM
      IHR.ORG
      VHO.ORG
      CODOH.COM

      Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 5, 2017 @ 2:48 pm

      • Hehehehe, Ravioli said ‘the word nazi ironically is derived from the Jewish term Ashkenazim/Ashkenazi describing a sect of the Jews’.

        He’s the only person in the planet that he doesn’t know that the word came from ‘Nationalsozialismus’ and even the Nazis themselves used it from the very beginning, i.e. Joseph Goebbels wrote a book entitled ‘Der Nazi-Sozi’ in 1926, even if the use of the word was a kind of in a slightly derogatory way.

        Hilarious stuff, Ravioli, oh, its’ the Jews again!

        Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 3:46 am

    • Of course they are Nazis, Susan. But very funny nazis. You should read this conversation, if you have the time.

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/12/08/remembering-the-day-when-the-jews-declared-war-on-germany/

      You will laugh A LOT with them, but you’ll see also their real motives:

      They deny the Holocaust genocide because they want to praise the Holocaust genocide, and make it happen again and blame the victims. They are exactly this kind of nazi:

      Of course, Holocaust denial is not a funny thing. It’s the last 10th stage of the genocide.

      According to experts scholars and scientists who study genocides, these are the 10 stages of every genocide.

      – Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination …
      … and finally the last 10th stage:
      – Denial

      http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/tenstagesofgenocide.html

      Scholars prove that, in fact, denial is part -and actually a very important part- of the crimes themselves. Denial is the state of mind of a person who believes that the perpetrators were right and that the victims deserved to be slaughtered. The denier wishes and works with all his heart for a second new genocide to fulfill his dream: Extermination in mass numbers of innocent people just because of their origin, race, religion or even name. The denier is always a wannabe perpetrator for the same reasons (and the same hate for the victims, i.e. the Jews).

      It’s a very simple description of what they’re doing in this fringe corner of the internet.
      It’s because they want to vindicate the Nazis and Hitler for the slaughter of the Jews, they want to blame the victims and make it happen again. This is their exact motive.
      This is the truth.

      Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 3:58 am

      • This piece of pseudo-psychological mumbo-jumbo that you produced from the “genocide watch” website doesn’t help those of us who want to know why there has never been any search carried out for the remains of the 1.1 million human beings who were allegedly put to death at Auschwitz.

        Neither does it explain why there have been no attempts to find the mass graves or the burial sites of the 875,000 souls who were allegedly killed at Treblinka. ( Apart, that is, from an early desultory search carried out by a Polish judge who promptly called off the exercise “because it started to rain” – and a piece of TV archaeological comedy carried out by the irrepressible clown, named Caroline Sturdy-Colls, who managed to find a shark’s tooth and some human remains in a known Christian burial ground ).

        And nor does it provide us with any proof that the three main methods of alleged gassing actually worked in practise, or were viable methods of systematic mass murder over a prolonged period of time.

        I wonder if the “genocide watch” website could ask all those scholars who have “proved” that “denial is part – and a very important part – of the crimes themselves” to dig deep into their pockets in order to produce the necessary funds to carry out practical tests on the workability and viability of mass gassing using fumigation pellets, carbon monoxide, and vehicle exhaust fumes.

        Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2017 @ 7:39 am

        • (I’ve posted this answer elsewhere, sorry)

          Listen,Talbot.
          Holocaust denial falls in the same category as ‘the earth is flat’ theory. No serious geographer will waste his time discussing geography with a member of the Flat Earth Society. In the same vein, no serious historian should contemplate discussing the Holocaust with a denier.

          I can rebut deniers. You’re a very easy pray for me. But I choose my own battles, and I choose when and where. This blog is an insignificant fringe corner in the internet, so I choose not to consume too many resources with people like Ravioli and you. I prefer to concentrate on your motives and focus on your hate motivations.

          Denial is, in fact, little more than a ploy to attack a minority where they are the most vulnerable: the loss by cold-blooded murder of their family and friends. Deniers are simply anti-Semites who attempt to bend history for their own malicious purposes.

          Holocaust denial is not a reasoned alternative viewpoint, but rather deliberately deceitful polemics cloaked in a pseudo-academic cover.
          Holocaust deniers have a perfect right to spread their lies in the US. I personally disagree with laws that stop them from doing so in other countries. Such a right, however, does not entitle them to respect. Respect is earned. Deniers are worth only of disrespect.

          Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 8:22 am

          • You wrote: “This blog is an insignificant fringe corner in the internet,”

            My blog gets over 1,800 hits per day; these readers are in every country of the world. I don’t call this insignificant.

            Comment by furtherglory — January 6, 2017 @ 9:22 am

            • Even though this is mostly in French some great information here.
              The person with this site his videos were banned on youtube…..Hmmmmm Why would they do that?
              You only ban things that are their to expose lies.
              http://ungraindesable.the-savoisien.com/

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2017 @ 9:26 am

            • I know, I know. That you really do a lot of original work and that you read a lot. A number of 1.800 visitors isn’t a great one, although, especially for a website in the US, which has hundreds of millions of people. Mine, in Greece, with only 10 millions inhabitants gets 6.000 average unique visitors the days I don’t publish (no new content) and over 20.000 average the days I publish a new article.

              Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 1:04 pm

              • Point being?

                Comment by Tim — January 6, 2017 @ 1:40 pm

              • So you have six thousand readers of your website on the uneventful days do you. ( at least its not 6 million ! ) And no less than 20,000 souls tune in on those days when their saintly guru passes on his divine message to his mortal followers.

                But what you really ought to do, is ask your loyal acolytes if they would be prepared to climb underneath a huge van crammed with dead corpses and full of engine exhaust; and while the engine is still running, disconnect the hose that is delivering the exhaust fumes into the interior of the vehicle, and re-attach it to the normal exhaust outlet. Then, ask them if they would be confident enough to drive the loaded vehicle – with all the potentially dangerous toxic fumes inside – along a public highway for several kilometres.

                Not once – you must tell your readers, but at least 500 times! And don’t forget to tell them that one of the vans is alleged to have actually blown-up while this procedure was underway. We are also told that there were only 3 vans in the entire fleet to start with at Chelmno, and so your readers must be informed in advance that they would have a one-in-three chance of perishing themselves or being badly injured.

                Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2017 @ 2:28 pm

      • Before they go around accusing people of being “perpetrators” and “deniers”, then my humble advice to the good folk who run the “genocide watch” website is to prove with sustainable evidence and convincing proof that a genocide actually took place.

        Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2017 @ 10:58 am

        • Do you really want to know why the real historians refrain from participating in discussions about technical issues with the deniers? Well, it is not because real historians can’t tackle the deplorable deniers. They can, very well and very easily, and with great success, at any given time. It is because the deniers are not honest and decent interlocutors. The moment a historian shows you some very good and convincing evidence along with thousands of arguments, you deniers always find and ask for something else. Once a historian answer it too, there comes another one, and another one, and next, next, next, and then you will ask one more thing. and after that, another, and further, more, and more. And you jump from one topic to another, you make logical leaps, you ‘forget’ everything that does not suit your hoaxes, and you never admit your defeat. You can see it here, too and in the last debate some days ago. In over 12 to 15 cases, I’ve given you full answers, but you deniers were unable to say even once ‘yeah, right, I was wrong there’.
          These are your tactics and we know them well and in depth. Playing this game, a serious man after a while will be forced to respond to nonsense and fantasies and exaggerations and lies. So, the reason that real historians refrain from participating in discussions about technical issues with the deniers is because the deniers are dishonest. And this is quite natural since they are fascists and Nazis and followers of Hitler. The ‘moral’ (ethos) and the fascist political views go hand in hand. You are cheaters because you’re fascists and you are fascists because you are dishonest people. You are weasels that nobody can trust you.
          This is the reason.

          And also, of course, because deniers are simply anti-Semites who attempt to bend history for their own malicious purposes.

          Holocaust denial is not a reasoned alternative viewpoint, but rather deliberately deceitful polemics cloaked in a pseudo-academic cover.
          Holocaust deniers have a perfect right to spread their lies in the US. I personally disagree with laws that stop them from doing so in other countries. Such a right, however, does not entitle them to a forum or respect. Respect is earned. Deniers are worth only of disrespect.

          Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 6, 2017 @ 2:08 pm

    • Susan Myers wrote: “What are you a Nazi?”

      If any Gentile doesn’t rejoice at the [planned and organized] disappearance of his people, he/she is instantly labelled a Nazi, a hater, a racist and a genocidal murderer by the Jewish deceiver and his/her useful idiots. Typical. So typical. I’m amazed to see that this gross trick still works on so many people. Yet so transparent.

      P.S. The correct wording is: “What are you? A Nazi?”

      Comment by hermie — January 6, 2017 @ 8:15 am

      • Marvellous, isn’t it – that a professor in the educational world can come out with this blatant piece of genocidal racism, without his colleagues and peers objecting. And yet, if the word “white” was replaced with “black”, or “Jew” then they would all be howling like rabid dogs, and demanding that such a “hater” should be driven out of academia immediately.

        Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2017 @ 8:52 am

        • ‘White genocide’ is a conspiracy theory.

          Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 2:17 am

          • Well, don’t tell me that its a “conspiracy theory” – you must admonish the good professor that we see in the above image – because he is the one who has publicly proclaimed that such a project is underway, and that he and his henchmen are actively and joyously engaged in the task.

            Comment by Talbot — January 7, 2017 @ 11:54 am

            • White Genocide is all part of their plan…
              Jews and White Genocide

              JR

              Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 11:59 am

            • It’s obviously a challenge for the challenge, an exaggeration to point out that white people have too many privileges and that they must get used to the idea that they will have to share these privileges with non-whites. He named his journal ‘The Race Traitor’ and its motto is ‘Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity’. I guess he’s a hardcore marxist, not someone who sees race as biology and himself as a meber of a hate-grouo. He’s another half-lunatic professor among thousands. Who cares.

              Asked in a 1997 interview with the New York Times if he hates his own white skin, Mr. Ignatiev said, “No, but I want to abolish the privileges.”
              “The white race is like a private club based on one huge assumption that all those who look white, are, whatever their complaints or reservations, fundamentally loyal to the race. We want to dissolve that club, to explode it,” he said.
              http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/sep/4/20020904-084657-6385r/

              Every group within white America has at one time or another advanced its particular and narrowly defined interests at the expense of black people as a race. That applies to labor unionists, ethnic groups, college students, schoolteachers, taxpayers, and white women. Race Traitor will not abandon its focus on whiteness, no matter how vehement the pleas and how virtuously oppressed those doing the pleading.
              http://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html

              Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 12:24 pm

              • Klingon…The Jews made up of mostly “Supremacist whites” are the ones responsible for the things you are speaking about.
                For example the slave trade, they ran it and prospered from it more than anyone. So lets look at racism and connect it to the people that were the major ones responsible for it and reflected it by the way they deal with people.
                They continue to act in that way today by not allowing race mixing within their own group, and especially by how they keep Israel free from blacks and those they consider a lower species on the totem pole.

                JR

                Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 1:16 pm

                • Once again, you’re missing the facts. You wrote:
                  – ‘Jews they keep Israel free from blacks and those they consider a lower species on the totem pole’

                  Who told you that?
                  Do you know that about 18-20% of Israeli citizens with full rights are Palestinian/Arabs?
                  That even become high court judges, MPs and ministers, ambassadors, police chiefs, professors etc?
                  Do you know about the Yemen and some Africa Jews that they are welcomed in the country and given full citizenship?
                  Israelis are all kind of colours, you should know. From pale white to dark black.
                  I mean, black, real black, like guys in Harlem.

                  These guys are Israeli Jews

                  This guy is Tel-Aviv Jew:

                  Seriously. You can check what I’ve just told you in the internet.
                  You believe in lies and forgeries.
                  Check your sources, learn the facts, and then try to write fiction, it’s better this way.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 1:41 pm

                • Oh yeah? Go to South Florida ( look it up on a world map). See how racist they are towards blacks. “Big difference”, between “black Nigerians” and “black Arabs “. Here’s a hint. Look at a world map. Continent of Africa is different from the Middle East . I guarantee you, the Jews call the African blacks ,”ni–ers”. That’s what they call them in South Florida.

                  You got “apples and oranges” going on here Khan ( he’s a Klingon)

                  Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 2:16 pm

                • Sorry, I forgot to post this link. ‘All kinds of colours’

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 7, 2017 @ 1:45 pm

                • Klingon….they sure seem to love the Nigerians…..LOL

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 7, 2017 @ 1:58 pm

                • My dear Ravioli, I don’t think there’s such a thing as a person that can be named ‘100% antiracist’. Something like that, I think it doesn’t exist in nature. We are all at some extent kind of racists, meaning tribalists. We want to be and operate among our own kind. It’s in our survival genes.
                  But hating the other for what it happened to be born (something that only by accident we haven’t born the same) is completely different.
                  Or thinking of other people as a whole that they are all the same, from the same bad material, because they share the same religion or race or nation.
                  Neither this exists in nature.

                  We, civilized persons, have to think for each individual as a separate and unique case and see if he/she is good or bad, one by one.
                  We have to educate ourselves to control and to eradicate any bad feelings for anyone different from us.

                  You should know, this hate can destroy you very easily.
                  And that the hate that starts with the Jews, never ends with the Jews.

                  When bad things happen to a certain group of people, its members can react asking only one of these two questions: ‘What did we do wrong in the past?’ or ‘Who did this to us?’ The entire future of this group will depend on which question it chooses.

                  If it asks, ‘What did we do wrong?’ it’s OK. The self-criticism, which is essential to its progress, has begun.
                  If it asks, ‘Who did this to us?’ it defines itself as a victim. Then, they will seek the scapegoat to blame for all its trouble. Classically, Nr 1 potential suspect it’s the Jews.

                  Antisemitism is only secondarily about Jews. Primarily it is about the failure of groups to accept responsibility for their own failures, and to build their own future by their own endeavours. No society that has fostered antisemitism has ever sustained liberty or human rights or religious freedom.

                  Antisemitism is a form of cognitive failure, and it happens when people feel that their world is getting out of control.
                  From the Middle Ages to David Duke, this is the case. And this is what happened to the 1930s Germany.

                  That is what we need us to understand today. It wasn’t Jews alone who suffered under Hitler. It wasn’t Jews alone who suffered under Stalin. It isn’t Jews alone who suffer under ISIS or Al Qaeda or Islamic Jihad. We make a great mistake if we think antisemitism is a threat only to Jews. It is a threat, first and foremost, to our free way of living, in Europe and the US, and a threat to the freedoms it took centuries to achieve.
                  Antisemitism is not about Jews. It is about antisemites. It is about people who cannot accept responsibility for their own failures and have instead to blame someone else. Historically, if you were a Christian at the time of the Crusades, or a German after the First World War, and saw that the world hadn’t turned out the way you believed it would, you blamed the Jews. That is what is happening today. And I cannot begin to say how dangerous it is. Not just to Jews but to everyone who values freedom, compassion and humanity. The appearance of antisemitism in a culture is the first symptom of a disease, the early warning sign of collective breakdown.

                  Antisemitism has always been about the inability of a group to make space for difference. No group that adopts it will ever, can ever, create a free society.
                  Every society driven by hate begins by seeking to destroy its enemies, but ends by destroying itself.
                  The hate that begins with the Jews, never ends with the Jews.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 2:46 am

                • You wrote: “thinking of other people as a whole that they are all the same, from the same bad material, because they share the same religion or race or nation.
                  Neither this exists in nature.”

                  I have written several blog posts on the subject of why Hitler hated the Jews, including this one: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/did-hitler-just-want-to-expel-the-jews-from-europe-or-did-he-want-to-kill-them-all/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 7:47 am

                • Klingon….. you seem like a philosopher type of person. Deep thinker type, but here’s the deal…. the Jews aren’t normal and they’re the ones that have the hate. They hate people that expose them. We are not the ones that are anti-semitic they are the ones that are anti-Semitic so you might want to look into them and not to us as much were,re just trying to deal with a group of people that have done a lot of bad things in the world and continue to do so.
                  The Jews are responsible for the deaths of probably up to a hundred million people but I guess we shouldn’t look at that as being a strike against them right,…. I don’t think you’re going to find any more hate than that. We use words to fight them they use brawn, bullets, and death.
                  I hate to say you’re defending the wrong people.
                  Maybe you can show me where revisionist have hurt or killed any Jew because we don’ get along with them.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 8, 2017 @ 8:29 am

                • Jim, can you point me to the direction of the best -in your opinion- documentary made by deniers for the gas chambers?
                  Or for the Holocaust in general?
                  Better, one for the gas chambers, and one for the Holocaust.

                  I guess, you know, more or less, my level of knowledge, so what would your suggestions could be?
                  What two do you think are the best for their kind?

                  Thanks in advance.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 1:02 pm

                • You wrote: “Jim, can you point me to the direction of the best -in your opinion- documentary made by deniers for the gas chambers?”

                  You are commenting on my blog, which is devoted to explaining the alleged gas chambers and Holocaust denial. Yet, you are using my blog to ask someone to direct you to a different website or blog. How insulting!

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 1:14 pm

                • To FG:

                  I didn’t mean to insult anybody, honestly.
                  I just was watching a couple of Jim’s videos talking about denial literature and filmings, and I thought he’s a kind of expert, that’s why I asked him and not anybody else, as it is a kind of trouble and extra effort this asked favour of mine.
                  I simply didn’t want to put anybody else in trouble, that’s it, especially because I am a ‘believer’ and not a denier.
                  If you can and/or want to make a suggestion, thank you in advance you, too.
                  But I couldn’t know in the first place if anybody else will be willing to do it (in fact, I still don’t know it).
                  After all, I asked for videos and filmings, not written text, just because I wanted to check deniers’ arguments by the visual factor, I mean these special effects they make etc
                  Yours written texts, I read them every time you propose something.
                  Do you have videos too?
                  If I knew you had, I would ask you too, I assure you, honestly.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 2:07 pm

                • You wrote: “Do you have videos too?”
                  No, I do not make videos. I have lots of still photos on my blog posts and on my website, but no videos.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 2:39 pm

                • FG wrote:
                  – No, I do not make videos. I have lots of still photos on my blog posts and on my website, but no videos.

                  I know that your work is original and thorough, and that you’re doing a great job, for your cause.

                  I guess you know too, that when I’m asking for a video, my main concern is the narrative. I want to check how the deniers present their own version of the chain of the facts. Your posts do have pictures and the visual factor is always present, but I think you understand too that reading separate posts in a random way is like reading separate pages of a book with no particular order. In that case, the narrative is absent or very difficult for someone to understand it, especially if English isn’t his mother language. No matter how good may these pages or posts are (and your posts are very good, for your own objectives), if one wants to hear the story with a start, a middle, an end and its conclusion, it’s kind of different, isn’t it?

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 9, 2017 @ 7:45 am

                • You wrote: “if one wants to hear the story with a start, a middle, an end and its conclusion, it’s kind of different, isn’t it?”

                  If everything that I have written about the Holocaust were put into a book, it would be more than one book. It would be a set of books, in which the information would be hard to find. Instead, I have put all of the information into a website which has a “site map” where you can find out what you want to know.
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/sitemap.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 9, 2017 @ 7:56 am

                • FG:
                  – I have put all of the information into a website which has a “site map” where you can find out what you want to know.

                  Thank you.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 9, 2017 @ 8:42 am

                • Yeah Germany is “history”. I mentioned that Hitler made a comment about the,”survival of Germany “, in Mein Kampf. He said Germany was fighting WW1 for her very,”existence”.

                  I don’t see how that is,”racist”. That’s one man who loved his country,and wanted to make sure it stayed in German hands.

                  Germany is not like America. America IS,a nation of immigrants. Germany isn’t . Germans that immigrated over here when Germany was still pretty much Germany,would talk about going back to the,”fatherland”. Good luck on trying to find it now.

                  Comment by Tim — January 9, 2017 @ 11:48 am

                • Good point Tim….Germany doesn’t exist…..

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 9, 2017 @ 12:36 pm

                • I did a search for books about the Holocaust and found this list at http://airshipdaily.com/blog/01272014-holocaust-books

                  In reading this list of books, I would not recommend any of them.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 9, 2017 @ 8:04 am

                • I am replying to my own comment to tell you that my very first blog post was about the book entitled “This way for the gas ladies and gentlemen”

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/tadeusz-borowski-auschwitz-survivor/

                  This is a book that tells you absolutely nothing about the Holocaust. Yet it is taught in American schools. It was the first book about the Holocaust that I read, and the first book that I blogged about. So much for Holocaust books!

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 9, 2017 @ 8:18 am

              • If you claim that he is just “another half-lunatic professor among thousands” – then why is he being interviewed by the prestigious ‘New York Times’, ‘Washington Times’, and given a spread in the very influential and highly erudite ‘Harvard Magazine’ ?

                No – I suggest there is something more sinister going on here, and this guy has been deliberately brought out into the public domain at a very high level in order to announce to the American Establishment what the real agenda is. And that is, to smash up the basically European heritage, culture and ethos on which the US nation was built.

                Comment by Talbot — January 7, 2017 @ 2:04 pm

                • Conspiracies aren’t my thing.
                  Because a good conspiracy never can be proved.
                  The more evidence you add against a conspiracy and its existence, the more the hypothesis that this conspiracy doesn’t exists weakens in the mind of a conspiracy theorist.

                  When a conspiracy theorist finds evidence that prove his conspiracy, he adds it to the body of the proof.
                  When a conspiracy theorist can’t find evidence that prove his conspiracy, he adds this absence of evidence to the body of the proof, too.
                  Because good conspiracies can’t be proved.
                  Staying away from these debates is a wise and healty decision.

                  Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 4:08 am

                • I wrote about why the Jews are hated on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/why-jews-are-hated/

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 7:40 am

              • Jesus H Khan! You live in Greece . You don’t have the first clue. The Times! That’s the liberal douchebag rag from hell! The White Boys are privileged? Wake the f–k up ! You don’t live in America.

                Our government kisses the blacks ass. It’s called,”white guilt”. My momas side of the family had been living in Alabama since the early 1800’s,but they never owned any slaves. That’s why,”white guilt” exists cause of the slavery issue.

                I’ll give the blacks credit,they don’t cry like the Jews .

                Illegal immigration. Come to Texas ( you know. Cattle,oil,Dallas Cowboys and Urban Cowboy? Yee Hah!)

                Illegal immigrants are a plague,but they get more government benefits than us white Americans. Stop talking shit about topics,you ain’t educated in. Too much obfuscation for you. Stop reading “The Times”. I bet you believe the lies of CNN,and the world “according to them” ( Ted Turner got pushed out of CNN. I say he’s the winner there)

                Comment by Tim — January 7, 2017 @ 2:38 pm

          • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “‘White genocide’ is a conspiracy theory.”

            All rabid Holo-worshippers are White genocide deniers. No exception. Funny…

            Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 8:44 am

            • Hermie wrote:
              – All rabid Holo-worshippers are White genocide deniers. No exception. Funny

              Hermie, you should learn the definition of ‘genocide’ first.

              Comment by Κλέων Ι. — January 8, 2017 @ 10:42 am

              • You wrote: “Hermie, you should learn the definition of ‘genocide’ first.”

                I wrote about this subject on this blog post:

                https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/a-working-definition-of-the-new-rules-regarding-holocaust-denial-and-holocaust-distortion/

                Comment by furtherglory — January 8, 2017 @ 10:52 am

              • Κλέων Ι. wrote: “Hermie, you should learn the definition of ‘genocide’ first.”

                I had an extensive knowledge of Raphael Lempkin’s scam before you had even heard of this blog, klingon.

                ANY action damaging the future of a specific group of people is a genocide, according to the original definition of this word. Lempkin had even labelled separation by gender in German concentration camps as a genocide because it was temporarily lowering the birth rate of the Jewish people !! Amazing, but true !

                Comment by hermie — January 8, 2017 @ 8:28 pm

                • edit: Raphael Lemkin

                  Comment by hermie — January 10, 2017 @ 5:22 am

  6. I know you don’t believe FG,but the Hebs are the ones in for an ass f–king. The bibles quite clear. You don’t accept Gods son,you’re f–ked. I don’t care if they’re chosen ones or not. They’re only chosen,because at the time it was a toss up between the Jews and Pagans as “chosen ones “. Not a big choice

    Comment by Tim — January 5, 2017 @ 2:16 pm

  7. What Germany has turned into…
    http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/schlafly-rape-jihad-shows-germany-is-no-longer-german/

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — January 5, 2017 @ 2:12 pm


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