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March 10, 2017

The story of Franceska Mann — what really happened?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 9:38 am

You can read a recent article about Franceska Mann at http://www.snopes.com/franceska-mann/

The beautiful Franceska Mann is shown in the photo above

This quote is from the article:

The story of Franceska Mann and her purported defiance of Nazis as she faced death has gained popularity on social media.

I have blogged about Franceska Mann on these two blog posts:

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/josef-schillinger-the-ss-man-who-was-shot-in-the-undressing-room-of-gas-chamber-2-at-auschwitz/

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/holocaust-survivor-gives-a-new-version-of-the-story-of-franceska-mann/

 

13 Comments »

  1. Interestingly there is no German language Wikipedia page on her — in general I have found that the German language pages are less, err, embellished than the English language pages, where topics related to the ‘Holocaust’ are concerned — on the English language page about her, the only reference work listed is ‘Eyewitness Auschwitz’, by Filip Müller — as given, the subtitle of this book is ‘Three Years in the Gas Chambers’ — let’s think about this for a moment: clearly Müller was a (self-described) Sonderkommando member — the usual story is that members of the Sonderkommando were regularly themselves murdered by the Nazis, who did not want to take a chance that such intimate witnesses could survive — but not only did this not happen to Müller, those bumbling, careless Nazis actually allowed him to escape after working all those years and seeing all what he saw — of course Müller then went on to spill the beans.

    I mean, who can believe bullshit like that? Müller has to be among the worst ‘Holocaust’ liars.

    Comment by eah — March 10, 2017 @ 1:09 pm

  2. Why are there so many different stories of one event? I understand that different people will use different words and even times to describe a seminal event, but the focal facts are always the same no matter what, if they are telling the truth and not embellishing or, even, making up ‘facts’

    Comment by ionwhite — March 10, 2017 @ 11:09 am

    • You wrote: “Why are there so many different stories of one event”

      The following quote is from my website:
      Begin quote

      In a deposition given to the British after he was captured, Auschwitz Commandant Rudolf Hoess said the following regarding an incident that happened on October 23, 1943 when a group of prisoners from the Bergen-Belsen exchange camp was sent to Birkenau to be gassed.
      End quote

      Rudolf Hoess was tortured and told what to say. He would say anything to get these people to stop torturing him.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 10, 2017 @ 12:06 pm

    • FG
      I was trained by SS-Instructors at the Reichsausbildungslager 5- Bistritz am Hochstein (Slovakia) to become a Hilfsausbilder in the handling and use of hand weapons.
      Perhaps with some exception the SS did wear a Walther P38 as a side-weapon in a holster on a belt, unloaded, but the magazine inserted, the safety catch on.
      For anyone (in this case a women) to remove the weapon from the holster, load the pistol, move the safety catch with the thumb downwards, aim and fire is an impossible task!
      There would be only one explanation that Josef Schillinger entered he room in his drunken stage with the weapon in his hand, ready to shoot and she grabbed it from him!

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 11, 2017 @ 2:13 am

      • You wrote: “There would be only one explanation that Josef Schillinger entered he room in his drunken stage with the weapon in his hand, ready to shoot and she grabbed it from him!”

        There are several versions of the story. I have written about the different versions on this blog post:

        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/josef-schillinger-the-ss-man-who-was-shot-in-the-undressing-room-of-gas-chamber-2-at-auschwitz/

        Comment by furtherglory — March 11, 2017 @ 3:02 am

      • There are several versions of the story.

        This is because liars have trouble remembering to tell the same lie.

        There would be only one explanation that Josef Schillinger…

        Es ist eine Fabel, Herr Stolpmann.

        Comment by eah — March 11, 2017 @ 3:49 am

        • eah
          Oh, there is no doubt in my mind, Franceska Mann was a rather beautiful women and Josef Schillinger in his drunken state wanted to see her naked to have sex with her, race nor the colour of a women’s skin have any bearing on desire. He knew he could have her before she went over into the everlasting hunting grounds.
          She was fully aware what he was up to.
          This is nothing new to me, rather the event described by others is more than a Fabel!

          Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 11, 2017 @ 6:36 pm

          • You wrote: “the event described by others is more than a Fabel!”

            Schillinger was Gerrman, and since you are German yourself, you must be aware that a German man would not have sex with a woman in front of a crowd of people, on the dirty floor of an undressing room.

            Comment by furtherglory — March 12, 2017 @ 7:52 am

            • I am replying to my own comment, so that I can add something. When the women were in the undressing room, just before going into the gas chamber room, Schillinger would have said to Franceska “let’s me and you go into the room next door where we can have a quickie before you go into the gas chamber to be killed.” She would have said “O.K. but you have to put a towel on the floor first. I don’t want to have sex on a dirty floor just before I die.”

              Comment by furtherglory — March 12, 2017 @ 8:13 am

            • FG
              I am sorry how wrong you could be on srtting such high standandars of being German, I tgought I made it quite clear that there are no moral differences when a nan wants a women!

              Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 12, 2017 @ 6:18 pm

              • You wrote: “I am sorry how wrong you could be on srtting such high standandars of being German,”

                Since you are German, I am sure that you know what Fasching is. When I lived in Germany for 20 months, I had offers from several men. I was told that during Fasching everyone had sex with everyone else, regardless of their marital status. I had several offers from several men, but I was afraid to accept. Now I wish I had taken a chance and trusted them.

                Comment by furtherglory — March 12, 2017 @ 7:05 pm

                • FG
                  Yes, I know all about it, but at that stage as a youth I was inexperienced and apart from that I am basically shy. It took few years later on a North-Sea Island (Borkum) an older girl took the initiative!

                  Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 14, 2017 @ 2:01 am


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