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June 18, 2017

A Holocaust survivor who was saved 16 times by Irma Grese

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized — furtherglory @ 11:18 am

Irma Grese

The following quote is from a news article, which you can read in full at http://theislandnow.com/new_hyde_park-108/holocaust-survivors-share-stories-strength-remembrance-forum/

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[Alice] Tenenbaum was a young teenager when she was forced into a ghetto before being taken to Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp where an estimated 1.1 million people were killed before the Soviet Union liberated the prisoners in January 1945.

Dr. Josef Mengele, known as the Angel of Death for his role in sending prisoners to gas chambers and performing inhumane experiments on people, frequented the camp and tried his hardest to execute 14-year-old Tenenbaum, but an unlikely savior appeared.

“Irma Grese, this horrible creature they called the beautiful beast, she somehow — to this day, I don’t know why — she saved me 16 times when Dr. (Josef) Mangele sent me to the gas chamber. She would come and take me out (of the chamber),” Tenenbaum said. “People I spoke to who knew her said she had a sister around my age and I looked a little bit like her. The reason she saved me so many times was because I looked like her sister. That’s how I survived Auschwitz.”

Grese was among the 45 people accused of war crimes at the Bergen Trial in 1945 and was executed for her actions later that year.

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You can read all about Irma Grese on my scrapbookpages.com website. The following quote is from my website:

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The Belsen trial was eagerly followed by the press and the defendant who attracted the most attention was the notorious 21-year-old Irma Grese, who was accused of participating in selections for the gas chamber at Birkenau, the Auschwitz II death camp. Despite her young age, Irma had achieved the rank of Oberaufseherin or Senior SS Overseer by the fall of 1943. In this role, she was in charge of supervising around 30,000 women prisoners, mostly Polish and Hungarian Jews, at Birkenau. She was transferred to Bergen-Belsen in March 1945, only a month before the liberation, yet she was also charged with beating prisoners in that camp. Some of the inmates at Bergen-Belsen had been transferred from Auschwitz-Birkenau, so they were able testify against the defendants with regard to both Counts One and Two. Grese was the highest ranking woman among the defendants at The Belsen Trial, but also the youngest, and she was, by far, the most hated by the former prisoners who testified against her.

Quoted below is Irma Grese’s testimony, under direct examination, about her background:

Begin quote from testimony by Irma Grese:

I was born on 7th October, 1923. In 1938 I left the elementary school and worked for six months on agricultural jobs at a farm, after which I worked in a shop in Luchen for six months. When I was 15 I went to a hospital in Hohenluchen, where I stayed for two years. I tried to become a nurse but the Labour Exchange would not allow that and sent me to work in a dairy in Fürstenburg. In July, 1942, I tried again to become a nurse, but the Labour Exchange sent me to Ravensbrück Concentration Camp, although I protested against it. I stayed there until March, 1943, when I went to Birkenau Camp in Auschwitz. I remained in Auschwitz until January, 1945.

Irma Grese at Bergen-Belsen 17 April 1945

The Auschwitz-Birkenau survivors testified that Grese habitually wore jack boots, carried a plaited cellophane whip and a pistol and that she was always accompanied by a vicious dog. The prisoners claimed that Irma was sadistic and that she derived sexual pleasure from beating the women prisoners with her cellophane riding crop. Witnesses claimed that she had beaten women prisoners to death and shot others in cold blood. The accusations of murder were made in affidavits, and none of them was corroborated. It was even claimed that there were lamp shades, made out of the skins of three women prisoners, found in her room at Birkenau. The most serious charge against her was that she had been present when inmates at Birkenau were selected for the gas chamber and that she had participated by forcing the women to line up for inspection by Dr. Mengele.

Grese denied having a dog, beating prisoners to death or shooting anyone, although she did admit to hitting prisoners with her cellophane whip even though it was forbidden for the Overseers to beat the prisoners. She stated that she continued to use her whip even after being ordered not to by Commandant Kramer. She also admitted to being aware that prisoners were gassed at Birkenau; she stated that this was common knowledge in the camp and that she had been told by the prisoners about the gassing. She admitted that she was present when selections were made and that she had helped to line up the prisoners, but she denied making the selections herself.

Quoted below is her testimony regarding the gas chamber selections, under direct examination, by her defense lawyer, Major Cranfield (page. 249 in the trial transcript):

Cranfield: Where did the order come from for what we call “selection parades”?
Grese: That came by telephone from a RapportFührerin or from Oberaufseherin Dreschel.
Cranfield: When the order came were you told what the parade was for?
Grese: No.
Cranfield: What were the prisoners supposed to do when the whistle went?
Grese: Fall in fives, and it was my duty to see that they did so. Dr. Mengele then came and made the selection. As I was responsible for the camp my duties were to know how many people were leaving and I had to count them, and I kept the figures in a strength book. After the selection took place they were sent into “B” Camp, and Dreschel telephoned and told me that they had gone to another camp in Germany for working purposes or for special treatment, which I thought was the gas chamber. I then put in my strength book either so many for transfer to Germany to another camp, or so many for S.B. (Sonder Behandlung). It was well known to the whole camp that S. B. meant the gas chamber.
Cranfield: Were you told anything about the gas chamber by your senior officers?
Grese: No, the prisoners told me about it.
Cranfield: You have been accused of choosing prisoners on these parades and sending them to the gas chamber. Have you done that?
Grese: No; I knew that prisoners were gassed.
Cranfield: Was it not quite simple to know whether or not the selection was for the gas chamber, because only Jews had to attend such selections?

Grese: I myself had only Jews in Camp “C.”
Cranfield: Then they would all have to attend the selection for the gas chamber, would they not?
Grese: Yes.
Cranfield: As you were told to wait for the doctors you would know perfectly well what it was for?
Grese: No.
Cranfield: When these people were parading they were very often paraded naked and inspected like cattle to see whether they were fit to work or fit to die, were they not?
Grese: Not like cattle.
Cranfield: You were there keeping order, were you not, and if one ran away you brought her back and gave her a beating?
Grese: Yes.

The following was excerpted and edited from the documentation of The Belsen Trial regarding the closing argument of Major Cranfield on behalf of Irma Grese and others:

Major Cranfield’s Closing Address on Behalf of Klippel, Grese, Lohbauer and Lothe

Directing the Court’s attention to the parts of the Charge Sheet which alleged the killing of Allied Nationals, Major Cranfield asked why there were included in this charge the names of specific Allied Nationals, and why it was not sufficient to charge the accused with causing the death of Allied Nationals whose names were unknown. He suggested that the answer was that, unless the killing of a specifically named person was included, the charge would be a bad one on grounds of vagueness and generality. Counsel proceeded to examine the names of the persons alleged in the Belsen charge to have died in that camp, reminding the Court that his accused were charged with being together concerned in causing their deaths.

He submitted that the evidence proved that Meyer was shot by a man not before the Court. The evidence proved that Anna Kis was killed deliberately by a man not before the Court. She was a Hungarian and, in his submission, if she was a Hungarian she could not be an Allied National. It was a matter of which the Court must take judicial notice that a state of war existed between the United Kingdom and Hungary, which had not been terminated by a peace treaty. Some reference had been made to an armistice. Counsel argued however that there was an armistice with Italy, but it could not be suggested that an Italian was an Allied National. It was, he thought, agreed that the names of Kohn, Glinovjechy and Konatkevicz had been wrongly included in the Belsen charge.

Referring to the death certificates relating to the remaining seven victims Counsel said that in each case the cause of death was stated to be death from natural causes. The dates of death were given, and the dates when these persons were alleged to have died were in a number of cases dates before his accused came to Belsen. One of the seven, Klee, was said by the Prosecution to be a British subject from Honduras, but Counsel for the Defense called for further proof of her nationality since the death certificate stated that she was born at Schwerin in Germany. The evidence that these seven persons were ever in Bergen-Belsen concentration camp was extremely flimsy. It seemed that he had now struck out of the Belsen charge all the specific persons whose deaths his accused were alleged to have caused, and the charge now read: “Allied Nationals unknown,” which was, as he had already submitted, insufficient.

The affidavit of Anna Jakubowice said of Klippel: “I have seen him frequently beat women”. She arrived at Belsen on the 1st January, and the British arrived on the 15th April. Counsel’s submission was that the allegation of frequent beating must relate to the whole period from 1st January to the 15th April. Again, the alleged shootings were said to have taken place during March, 1945. A number of witnesses supported Klippel when he said that from the 1st January to the 5th April, so far from being at Bergen-Belsen, he was over one hundred miles away in Mittelbau. Counsel denied that Klippel was part of Hoessler’s unit, or of Kramer’s staff.

The evidence of Diament against Grese regarding the latter’s responsibility for selecting victims for the gas chamber was vague. Regarding Lobowitz’s allegation against Grese, Counsel asked whether, however conscientious the accused was, it was not absolute nonsense to suggest that roll-calls went on from six to eight hours each day? He also threw doubt on the credibility of Neiger’s words.

Apart from the question of the truth of Trieger’s evidence Counsel pointed out that the victim of the alleged shooting by Grese was a Hungarian and not an Allied National.

As against Triszinska’s allegation concerning Grese’s dog, the Court had heard the accused deny that she ever had a dog, and that has been corroborated by others of the accused and by other witnesses from Auschwitz.

Regarding Kopper’s story of the punishment Kommando, Counsel referred to Grese’s evidence that she was in charge of the punishment Kommando for two days only, and in charge of the Strassenbaukommando, which was a type of punishment Kommando, for two weeks. The allegation of Kopper in her affidavit was that she was in charge of the punishment Kommando in Auschwitz from 1942 to 1944, but in the box she said that the accused was in charge of the punishment company working outside the camp for seven months. In the box she failed to reconcile those two statements. Was it probable that Grese would be in charge, the only Overseer, of a Kommando 800 strong, with an S.S. man, Herschel, to assist her? If 30 prisoners were killed each day, should there not have been some corroboration of this story?

Counsel asked the Court to disbelieve Szafran’s story about the shooting of the two girls, in view of Hoessler’s statement that the windows of the block in question were fixed windows. The story was told neither in Szafran’s affidavit nor even during her examination; she produced it on re-examination.

Commenting on the allegation of Ilona Stein, Counsel asked whether the Court believed, in view of the evidence, that an Overseer had any power to give an order to an S.S. guard? He pointed out that the witness, in her affidavit, said: “I did not hear the order”. He doubted also whether Grese could have beaten anyone with a belt as flimsy as that worn by an Overseer at Auschwitz, one of which was produced as an exhibit.

Eleven witnesses had recognized Grese in Court. Of these eleven five made no allegation of any kind against her. This fact threw doubt on the evidence of those witnesses who said that she was notorious, a ferocious savage and the worst S.S. woman.

Even though Major Cranfield did a good job of defending Grese, she was nevertheless convicted under both Counts One and Two and was sentenced to death by hanging. After the trial, the 11 who had been sentenced to death, 8 men and 3 women, were taken to Hamelin jail in Wesfalia to await execution. (Hamelin is the town famous for the story of the Pied Piper.) An execution chamber was constructed right in the prison by the Royal Engineers of the British Army. It was located at the end of the corridor where the condemned prisoners were being held in a row of tiny cells. Since the prisoners could hear the sound of the trap falling as each of the condemned was hanged, it was decided that Irma Grese, as the youngest, should go first to spare her the trauma of hearing the others being executed. The three women were hanged separately, first Grese, then Volkenrath, then Bormann. The 8 men were hanged in pairs to save time. The hanging was all finished just in time for the mid-day meal.

In recent years, Irma Grese has become a cult figure among the neo-Nazis. She is considered by them to be a heroine because of her stoicism at her trial and the perception that she showed great courage in going bravely to her death. She is regarded by the neo-Nazis as a martyr, who died for her country, since they don’t believe that she was the sadistic, sexually-depraved killer that she was portrayed to be by her accusers.

Albert Pierrepoint, an experienced professional hangman, was flown over from Great Britain to hang the 11 condemned prisoners. On December 12, 1945, the condemned were weighed and measured so that the hangman could calculate how to adjust the gallows for each one. Pierrepoint wrote an autobiography in which he described the circumstances surrounding the execution of Irma Grese.

Two paragraphs from Pierrepoint’s autobiography are quoted below:

“At last we finished noting the details of the men, and RSM O’Neil ordered ‘bring out Irma Grese. She walked out of her cell and came towards us laughing. She seemed as bonny a girl as one could ever wish to meet. She answered O’Neil’s questions, but when he asked her age she paused and smiled. I found that we were both smiling with her, as if we realised the conventional embarrassment of a woman revealing her age. Eventually she said ‘twenty-one,’ which we knew to be correct. O’Neil asked her to step on to the scales. ‘Schnell!’ she said – the German for quick.”

“The following morning we climbed the stairs to the cells where the condemned were waiting. A German officer at the door leading to the corridor flung open the door and we filed past the row of faces and into the execution chamber. The officers stood at attention. Brigadier Paton-Walsh stood with his wrist-watch raised. He gave me the signal, and a sigh of released breath was audible in the chamber. I walked into the corridor. ‘Irma Grese,’ I called. The German guards quickly closed all grills on twelve of the inspection holes and opened one door. Irma Grese stepped out. The cell was far too small for me to go inside, and I had to pinion her in the corridor. ‘Follow me,’ I said in English, and O’Neil repeated the order in German. At 9.34 a.m. she walked into the execution chamber, gazed for a moment at the officials standing round it, then walked on to the centre of the trap, where I had made a chalk mark. She stood on this mark very firmly, and as I placed the white cap over her hand she said in her languid voice ‘Schnell’. The drop crashed down, and the doctor followed me into the pit and pronounced her dead. After twenty minutes the body was taken down and placed in a coffin ready for burial.”

26-year old Elizabeth Volkenrath was hanged

According to the trial transcripts, Elizabeth Volkenrath testified under direct examination that she arrived at Auschwitz No. 1 in March, 1942, and was transferred to Birkenau in December, 1942 where she worked in the parcel office and bread store till September 1944. From then until the 18th of January, she was in charge of a working party in Auschwitz No. 1.

Gertrude Diament, a Jewess from Czechoslovakia, testified that during 1942 she had seen Volkenrath make selections. She would give orders that prisoners be loaded onto lorries and transported to the gas chamber

In her testimony, Volkenrath denied having herself made gas chamber selections. She said she attended selections during August 1942 because she had to be present as she was in charge of the women’s camp, but she had merely to see that the prisoners kept quiet and orderly. Volkenrath said she had seen lorries on the road, but whether they went to the gas chamber she did not know. Her answer to the allegations of beatings made against her was that she only slapped faces.

On direct examination by her attorney, Volkenrath testified that she arrived at Belsen on the 5th February, 1945. She had only been there a few days when she had to go to the hospital, returning to work on the 23rd of March 1945. At Belsen she was an Oberaufseherin and had to detail the Overseers to their various duties. She testified that at Belsen, she never did more than slap prisoners’ faces. Her explanation of the events referred to by the witness, Hammermasch, was that a prisoner was brought back from an attempt to escape and was beaten by Kramer. She was present but did not beat the girl.

Volkenrath was found guilty of war crimes in both camps, Auschwitz-Birkenau and Bergen-Belsen. She was the second person to be hanged on 13 December 1945, following the execution of Irma Grese.

42-year-old Juana Bormann was hanged

In her testimony at the trial, Juana Bormann denied that she was ever present at any gas chamber selections. She admitted that she had a dog at Auschwitz, but she said that she never made this dog attack anyone. She claimed that she might have been mistaken for another Overseer named Kuck who also had a dog. She said that she would have been severely punished if she had set her dog on the prisoners and that the beating of prisoners by an Overseer was strictly forbidden.

After working at Birkenau from 15 May 1943 to the end of December 1943, Bormann testified that she came to Belsen in the middle of February 1945, and was engaged in looking after a pigsty. At Belsen she did not come in contact with prisoners beyond her own party of prisoners. When prisoners disobeyed orders she boxed their ears or slapped their faces but never violently, she claimed.

On December 12, 1945 when the hangman made his calculations, Bormann was measured at 5 feet tall and she weighed in at 101 pounds. She was acquitted on the charges of beating prisoners at Bergen-Belsen but was convicted of war crimes at Auschwitz-Birkenau and was the last of the women to be hanged, right after the execution of Elisabeth Volkenrath.

Field-Marshall Montgomery denied clemency to the guilty prisoners.

 

42 Comments »

  1. This has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. I read a story called,”the Jew in the brambles”,by the Brothers Grimm (is that a real last name). This shit describes Jews perfectly. If any of the kindly readers here have never read it,read it. It’s funnier than shit.

    Comment by Tim — June 19, 2017 @ 12:56 am

  2. Wow. Do you have a job, or do you just live on government money and waste your time trying to find “holes” in one tiny piece of world history? Must be nice to have all that free time. Some of us have to work for a living to support you and your hate-fueled lunacy with our tax money. How about getting a job?

    Comment by Buck Turgidson — June 18, 2017 @ 2:41 pm

    • She’s a retired journalist buck turdston. She “worked and saved” for her retirement. Her last name ain’t Sanchez or Gonzales. Yeah. The Wets are the ones that leech off our tax dollars. “Ne Conjugare Nobiscum”.

      Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 2:45 pm

    • Wow, do you have an argument? Or did you just come here to spew ad hominem?

      Comment by eah — June 18, 2017 @ 3:50 pm

      • Cool! With both of us speaking Latin to Buck Turd,maybe he’ll leave. Well I don’t know that much Latin . My CO in Nam used to say that,so we all wrote it on our helmets. I’m just telling “Tell Turd”, don’t come in here and f–k with us.

        Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 6:39 pm

    • You wrote: “Do you have a job, or do you just live on government money and waste your time trying to find “holes” in one tiny piece of world history?”

      Are you talking to me? I am 84 years old, and I don’t have a job. I live off Social Security and I do waste my time trying to find holes in one BIG piece of history — the Holocaust.

      I see that you are new to the zoo, so you can’t appreciate that I have spent many years studying history and visiting historical places. I have written over 2,250 blog posts. Around 2,500 people all over the world read my blog each day.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 18, 2017 @ 4:13 pm

    • Buck

      Really now is that the best you can do? “Holes in one tiny piece of world history” Oh really now, maybe you can tell the Jews how tiny this Holohoax is to them. Seems like a day doesn’t go by that they are not bitchin and mournin about what they claim to happen to them in the Holohoax Hotel camps. Sad to see you actually have to work for a living……. I’m retired and have all the time to spread “hate fueled lunacy” kinda fun actually. How I’m doing it with tax payer money as you claim is beyond me.

      Check out Holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com and see if you can refute the claims being made there.

      JR

      Comment by Jim Rizoli — June 18, 2017 @ 6:57 pm

      • Jimbo strikes again! Hate fueled lunacy. I love it. You’re too much. Of course the Hebs bought the hate fueled lunacy on themselves

        Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 9:12 pm

  3. I like how she answered the one question.” NOT like cattle”. Okay,that shows she didn’t look at the hebs like animals or objects. Did anyone at the trial catch that ? Isn’t this lady the one they called “The Bitch of Buchenwald”? Isn’t she the same one they said “she would walk around the camp nude. Any Jew that looked at her would be shot”. I have a hard time with that one,because it’s been my understanding,all the Reich soldiers were very conservative . The people I would expect that kind of behavior out of,would’ve been the hippies back at the Haight Ashbury district. Not the Krauts. Their too refined for that shit. That also explains why they didn’t want the Jews around destroying their civilized way of life

    Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 2:05 pm

    • Isn’t this lady the one they called “The Bitch of Buchenwald”?

      No — that was Ilse Koch

      Did anyone at the trial catch that?

      I don’t think any words Grese could have said would have been enough to counteract the impact of the hell the English found when the entered B-B — to see why, watch the films of the bulldozers pushing emaciated corpses into mass graves — it was the end of a brutal war, and both sides were used to dishing out violent death — so some people were always going to hang for what the British found at B-B, rightly or wrongly — and she was one of those.

      Comment by eah — June 18, 2017 @ 2:23 pm

      • Okay. Koch offed herself in her jail cell. Right? If she was the bitch they claim she was,why didn’t they string her ass up? I mean she has people shot because they look at her walking around the camp nude (yeah like I said,I think that’s BS too).

        Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 2:41 pm

      • Koch offed herself in her jail cell. Right?

        Yes, but much later — in 1967 — if interested you can watch (some of) the video Buchenwald a Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil — which attempts to make the case (somewhat convincingly) that she was one of the most unfairly vilified women in history.

        Comment by eah — June 18, 2017 @ 2:55 pm

        • At least we still have some honest,unbiased people out there,if they recognize she got f–ked

          Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 6:17 pm

          • As you say Tim, Ilse Koch was f-ked in Dachau by the Jews, this is what FG wrote:
            Frau Koch’s announcement of her pregnancy stunned the court because she was 41 years old at the time and was being kept in isolation with no contact with any men except the American interrogators, most of whom were Jewish. According to Halow, there was speculation among the court reporters that the father was Josef Kirschbaum, a Jewish interrogator who was one of the few men who had access to her prison cell.
            You can read about in one of her earlier comments :

            https://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook

            As the death sentence was expected by her and she was a trained lawyer, her calculation of the estimated date to hang was probable correct and what better way than getting pregnant.
            I doubt that the Americans would sink that low to have her hanged with a living child in her belly. She was temporarily freed and gave birth to a son.
            As a by note, I have seen the cells she was kept in, the ceilings were built so low that you could not stand up. The only way to sit was on her bunk and what better opportunity for two lonely people to have sex!

            Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — June 19, 2017 @ 1:35 am

          • As you say Tim, Ilse Koch was f-ked in Dachau by the Jews, this is what FG wrote:
            Frau Koch’s announcement of her pregnancy stunned the court because she was 41 years old at the time and was being kept in isolation with no contact with any men except the American interrogators, most of whom were Jewish. According to Halow, there was speculation among the court reporters that the father was Josef Kirschbaum, a Jewish interrogator who was one of the few men who had access to her prison cell.
            You can read about in one of her earlier comments :

            https://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook

            As the death sentence was expected by her and she was a trained lawyer, her calculation of the estimated date to hang was probable correct and what better way than getting pregnant.
            I doubt that the Americans would sink that low to have her hanged with a living child in her belly. She was temporarily freed and gave birth to a son.
            As a by-note, I have seen the cells she was kept in, the ceiling was built so low that you could not stand up. The only way to sit was on her bunk and what a better opportunity for two lonely people to have sex!

            Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — June 19, 2017 @ 1:48 am

    • Tim wrote: “Isn’t this lady the one they called “The Bitch of Buchenwald”? ”

      It’s said they called Irma Grese “The Hyena of Auschwitz.” But it sounds like a postwar fabrication, poetic creativity intended to strengthen the lies on her, if I’m asked.

      Comment by hermie — June 18, 2017 @ 4:55 pm

      • She’s not the first one to have that shit pulled on her,right? I mean after all these people are murdered (executed. Hey I call it like I see it now),didn’t they keep pumping out lies,when they can no longer defend themselves.

        Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 6:20 pm

        • Tim wrote: “didn’t they keep pumping out lies,when they can no longer defend themselves”

          Yes, they did. Anyway, I would not say that the so-called Nazi defendants could defend themselves before the victors’ postwar kangaroo courts. Mere theatrical assemblies providing pretexts for the lynching of defeated enemies…

          Comment by hermie — June 19, 2017 @ 7:53 am

          • The Germans said whatever they could say that they think would get them off the truth didn’t matter they thought if they cooperated and it said all the lies that they wanted them to hear then things would work out good for them the problem it didn’t work out that way.
            It would have been better of them to go down standing up then on their knees, a good lesson for us today.

            JR

            Comment by Jim Rizoli — June 19, 2017 @ 7:58 am

            • Jim Rizoli wrote: “it didn’t work out that way.”

              In fact, it did for a large number of them. By doing that, many of them actually went through the pseudo-judicial lynching of the victors and their collaborators (including the postwar German governments, of course) quite unharmed. See my comment about this topic below.

              Comment by hermie — June 19, 2017 @ 8:37 am

  4. Most fotos of Irma Grese used in articles about her are rather unflattering, as here — however in others she looks more feminine, as below — I think they usually choose the unflattering ones to make her (even) less attractive to readers: it’s done to induce a prejudiced reaction against her in readers — alternatively, they cast the very attractive Rachel Weisz to play the very unattractive Deborah Lipstadt for the opposite reason: to make viewers feel more positively about Lipstadt.

    Comment by eah — June 18, 2017 @ 1:53 pm

    • I don’t know. She looks pretty cute there. I never thought Rachel was all that and a bag of potato chips. Then again,her ol man ain’t no prize either. He sucks as James Bond too.

      Comment by Tim — June 19, 2017 @ 12:53 am

    • I never thought Rachel was all that

      It’s a matter of taste I suppose — most men would find RW far more attractive than DL:

      Comment by eah — June 19, 2017 @ 4:17 am

    • DL

      Comment by eah — June 19, 2017 @ 4:18 am

  5. Welcome to the Bizzarro world of the HoloHoax!
    This is just beyond silly, and in regards to Irma saying all that crap about the gas chambers I’m sure she was forced to say so.

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — June 18, 2017 @ 12:52 pm

    • Jim Rizoli wrote: “in regards to Irma saying all that crap about the gas chambers I’m sure she was forced to say so.”

      Maybe she was forced to say so. But maybe she was made an offer she couldn’t refuse (less likely in Irma Grese’s case if I’m asked). Her court confession was the typical Nazi “confession.” Such “confessions” are not real confessions. (Most of time, the term “Nazi confession” is just misleading exterminationist vocabulary intended to give credit to the myth.) Like so many other Nazis on trial, she basically endorsed the victors’ narrative about the Nazi concentration camps and denied her own involvement in the most serious offenses with which she was accused (in her case, beatings to death, shootings, and selections for the alleged gas chambers). A pattern that you can observe in most so-called Nazi confessions. Not rocket science to infer the deal between the postwar “interrogators” and the Nazi defendants, the offer they couldn’t refuse in other words. Obviously, the following type of offer was often formulated: “We don’t want to hurt you. We know that you’re a good guy who just obeyed orders. We just want to punish the major criminals, not mere executors like yourself. All you have to do now is confirm your bosses’ mass murder policy through gas chambers and other atrocities before a court, and you’re out in 4 or 5 years at the latest, back to normal life. You’re still young. Don’t ruin your life and that of your family.” I don’t know if such an offer was formulated to Irma Grese since her mock trial took place very early and she was executed after it. But numerous so-called Nazi confessions were obviously secured that way. Many of the most cooperative Nazi defendants (the small fish, not the big fish) were given ridiculously light sentences and served only part of their sentences, especially in the German mock trials of the 1960s. Germany was even very criticized for its lenient treatment of so many alleged criminals. Chutzpah !! Most people fail to realize that such a lenient treatment was in fact part of the deal and that the Holocaust myth would have received much less confessional “evidence” in the postwar mock trials without that trick.

      Comment by hermie — June 18, 2017 @ 4:47 pm

      • Like the saying goes,”the victors are the ones who write history (that’s not verbatim,but close enough).”

        Comment by Tim — June 18, 2017 @ 6:22 pm

        • Tim wrote: “Like the saying goes,”the victors are the ones who write history (that’s not verbatim,but close enough).””

          Devastating when the victors are sanctimonious hero wannabes. The Soviets and the Allies were unequaled manufacturers of lies for the “civilized” (in fact, hypocritical and deceitful) lynching of their enemies and for the legitimation of their restructuring of the world. Victors of the past used to write history according to their own perception of it, with some omissions and embellishments. But no victors had turned the narrative of a war into a 99%-fictitious story as the Soviets and the Allies did with WW2. Credit given where credit is due. Rather mediocre fighters, but great storytellers and deceivers. Portraying Goebbels as a master of propaganda and an almost hypnotic brainwasher couldn’t be further from the truth. Goebbels was like an inexperienced kid as far public education was concerned, gullibly believing in the virtues of truthful propaganda. He didn’t even deserve the status of propagandist in the Anglo-Saxon meaning of this word.

          Comment by hermie — June 19, 2017 @ 8:28 am

          • Here’s what’s so f–led about that . We hated Papa Joe,Papa Joe hated us. In spite of that,we still conspired with them to make up BS lies.

            Comment by Tim — June 19, 2017 @ 11:45 am

            • Tim wrote: “Here’s what’s so f–led about that . We hated Papa Joe, Papa Joe hated us. In spite of that, we still conspired with them to make up BS lies.”

              Are you sure of this? What “we” and “us”? The people? The rulers? Before and during WW2, the U.S. media used to portray Uncle Joe as a nice guy and the Soviet Union as another “land of the free” (what was true if the freedom of the Jews is the only freedom that matters, as is obviously the case). I’ve always thought that the cold ‘war’ between the Jew-owned United States and the Jew-owned Soviet Union was only theater, a good Globalist farce. As I see it, the post-WW2 bipolar world was never truly bipolar and the cold ‘war’ was a mere petty quarrel on the best way to bring the Jewish Messianic Age. The cold ‘war’ was probably even a collaborative effort to build a unified world under the threat of a nuclear apocalypse if I’m asked. What better way to force the world to unite and disarm (i.e. to hasten the coming of Mashiach) as Isaiah ‘prophesied’ long ago? In any case, the Zio-Globalist Elder David Ben-Gurion told the world that Jewry had finally opted for democracy as its preferred tool for world domination by ‘predicting’ (announcing) the liquidation (“democratization”) of the Soviet Union (a failed Jewish social experiment) and “the abolition of wars by 1987” as early as 1962 !! He explained at that time that the world “will become united in a world alliance,” that “all armies will be abolished,” and that “in Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents [as] the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind […] as prophesied by Isaiah.” The prominent Israeli Prime Minister visibly knew what Zionism really is about and that it’s part of a larger plan called Globalism, as explained by the influential U.S. Jew Louis Marshall several decades earlier, when he had stated: “Zionism is but an incident of a far reaching plan. It is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon.”

              Comment by hermie — June 20, 2017 @ 7:00 am

              • No. I was talking after the war. I don’t remember Stalin. I was like a year old when he died. After the war,we sat side by side with the Reds,passing judgement on people,who were only tying to save their country and take back what was rightfully theirs.

                On another topic,who the hell are the Khazar Jews . Patton couldn’t stand them from what I read. He loathed them to no end. It said he was totally disgusted by their behavior in the displaced person camps ( whatever that is). He said even though they had room,they’d all crowd together. He said they didn’t understand toilets . He said in one part of the room was a big pile of trash. He said they’d shit and piss on that trash too. Sick mutha f–kers if you ask me. If cleanliness is next to godliness,then all these pigs are going to hell. He said the only reason they cleaned up their nasty,unsanitary mess,was because they were introduced to the butt of a rifle. Germany was wrong for wanting these swine out of their country.

                Maybe that’s why Jews don’t like eating pork. They might be eating a family member. Patton said he understood the real reason we fought,was for the Jews . That makes perfect sense to me.

                Comment by Tim — June 20, 2017 @ 12:16 pm

                • Right on…Patton got to see the other side of the Jews and I’m sure that was responsible for him coming to the conclusions he did.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — June 20, 2017 @ 12:22 pm

                • Tim wrote: “After the war,we sat side by side with the Reds,passing judgement on people,who were only tying to save their country and take back what was rightfully theirs.”

                  Hey, the Globalist wolves didn’t go for each others’ throat as long as there was a big Nationalist prey around. No surprise…

                  Trying to save your country and take back what is rightfully yours is a crime in a Globalist perspective. Only a rancid misleading patriotism is allowed and often used by Globalists when young men are needed as cannon fodder for the progression of their agenda. Nationalism is the enemy number one of Globalism.

                  Tim wrote: “On another topic, who the hell are the Khazar Jews.”

                  The Khazar Jews are the Ashkenazi Jews according to a theory on the origin of their group (the Khazarian hypothesis). Khazaria was a kingdom located between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. The Khazars were a Turkic people and it’s said that the Khazars mass converted to Judaism in the 7th century. In 2012, Israeli geneticist Eran Elhaik argued for a significant Khazar component in the paternal line of Ashkenazi Jews (https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/5/1/61/728117/The-Missing-Link-of-Jewish-European-Ancestry). But the theory is still controversial, mainly because of its anti-Zionist repercussions.

                  Comment by hermie — June 20, 2017 @ 1:59 pm

                • You wrote: “The Khazar Jews are the Ashkenazi Jews”

                  I wrote about the Ashkenazi Jews on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/ashkenazi-jews/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 20, 2017 @ 2:42 pm

                • Here is the quote from the link which you provided:
                  Begin quote
                  One of the greatest historians of ancient Rome was Tacitus. He wrote of the Jews, “The customs of the Jews are base and abominable and owe their persistence to their depravity. Jews are extremely loyal to one another, always ready to show compassion, but towards every other people they feel only hate and enmity. As a race, they are prone to lust; among themselves nothing is unlawful.”
                  End quote

                  IOW, the Jews have been noted for bad behavior since the beginning of time.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 21, 2017 @ 10:29 am

                • I thought that this would be a good time to clarify my position on the Jews.
                  Tacitus pretty much summed up my position as noted in bottom post. But there is one caveat to it…I don’t think all Jews are bad, they IMO have been fooled by those that run them and who lord it over them. So the problem is this…..if the Jews as a people go along with the Elite ones above them and don’t speak out about the ones that are acting badly, i.e. those are ones that lie cheat and steal and run the media promoting their HoloHoax lies etc….then they are No better then the ones that lord it over them.
                  You will notice that there are very few of them that will stand up for the truth and defend those (US) that expose their Tribe for their evil ways.

                  So the answer is quite simple you as a Jews have to take a stand for what is right and if you don’t you are all put in the same pot as those that mislead you.

                  Hope this clarifies my position on the Jews because when someone comes after me for so called anti-semitic actions ( thoughts ) they will know where I stand and should not be confusing truths with lies.

                  Tacitus said…..
                  “The customs of the Jews are base and abominable and owe their persistence to their depravity. Jews are extremely loyal to one another, always ready to show compassion, but towards every other people they feel only hate and enmity. As a race, they are prone to lust; among themselves nothing is unlawful.”

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — June 21, 2017 @ 11:19 am

                • You wrote: “I thought that this would be a good time to clarify my position on the Jews.”

                  I wrote about the Jews on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/lie-cheat-and-steal/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 21, 2017 @ 1:03 pm

                • Jim Rizoli wrote: “Hope this clarifies my position on the Jews because when someone comes after me for so called anti-semitic actions ( thoughts ) they will know where I stand and should not be confusing truths with lies.”

                  The Jews don’t care about your position on them. They despise you, subhuman Goy, too much to care about that. If you deny the foundations of the Holocaust, you’re an anti-Semite. Period. Most of time, anti-Semitism has nothing to do with someone’s animosity towards the Jews. An anti-Semite is not a person who doesn’t like the Jews. An anti-Semite is a person whom the Jews don’t like. The labels “anti-Semite” and “anti-Semitic” are today very consistent with the meaning of the word “anti-Semitism” in the days of Wilhelm Marr (who was the first man to popularize the word). Wilhelm Marr, a self-claimed German anti-Semite in the 19th century, defined anti-Semitism as a movement of resistance against the rapid rise of Jewish power. He was not moved by hatred. He was moved by his love of freedom and independence, which were being threatened by the meteoric and exponential rise of Jewish influence in Germany. When you deny the Nazi gas chambers, you attack the main pillar of Jewish power in our days. Thus you’re an anti-Semite, whether you like it or not, Jim. As simple as that. And shouting that you don’t hate the Jews will not change that. Your clarification is a waste of time…

                  Comment by hermie — June 21, 2017 @ 1:47 pm

                • You wrote: “Wilhelm Marr, a self-claimed German anti-Semite in the 19th century, defined anti-Semitism as a movement of resistance against the rapid rise of Jewish power.”

                  I wrote about Wilhelm Marr on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/wilhelm-marr/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 21, 2017 @ 2:07 pm

                • Hermie….I don’t make apologizes how I feel about the Jews…..They are a parasitic people that have no love for anyone but themselves.
                  Once you get the label (antisemitic) it is with you forever as a badge of honor, for me anyway.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — June 21, 2017 @ 2:26 pm

                • Good to hear that you understood that, Jim. So you won’t be disappointed.

                  Comment by hermie — June 22, 2017 @ 8:00 am


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