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July 30, 2017

A famous Holocaust photo that is back in the news….

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized, World War II — furtherglory @ 4:09 pm

Gen. Dwight Eisenhower and other high-ranking U.S. Army officers on April 12, 1945, view the bodies of prisoners who were killed during the evacuation of the Ohrdruf camp in Ohrdruf, Germany. Courtesy | United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, courtesy of National Archives and Records Administration, College Park.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/opinion/columns/carol-stark-a-glimpse-of-old-horrors-new-challenges/article_1efcdd4f-46c4-59db-869f-a7cd004df95c.html

The photo above, from the July 30th, 2017 Joplin Globe, marks the start of the Holocaust as we know it today.

The following quote from my scrapbookpages.com website tells the story of the photo:

Begin quote from my website

On April 4, 1945, American soldiers of the 4th Armored Division of General Patton’s US Third Army were moving through the area south of the city of Gotha in search of a secret Nazi communications center when they unexpectedly came across the ghastly scene of the abandoned Ohrdruf forced labor camp [shown in the photo above].

A few soldiers in the 354th Infantry Regiment of the 89th Infantry Division of the US Third Army reached the abandoned camp that same day, after being alerted by prisoners who had escaped from the march out of the camp, which had started on April 2nd.

Prior to that, in September 1944, US troops had witnessed their first concentration camp: the abandoned Natzweiler camp in Alsace, which was then a part of the Greater German Reich, but is now in France.

Ohrdruf, also known as Ohrdruf-Nord, was the first Nazi prison camp to be discovered while it still had inmates living inside of it, although 9,000 prisoners had already been evacuated from Ohrdruf on April 2nd and marched 32 miles to the main camp at Buchenwald.

According to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, the camp had a population of 11,700 prisoners in late March, 1945 before the evacuation began.

The photograph at the top of this article, taken at Ohrdruf on April 8, 1945, shows survivors who had escaped during the evacuation of the camp, but came back after the American liberators arrived.

One of the American liberators who saw the Ohrdruf camp on April 4, 1945 was Bruce Nickols. He was on a patrol as a member of the I & R platoon attached to the Headquarters company of the 354th Infantry Regiment of the 89th Infantry Division, Third US Army.

According to Nickols, there were survivors in the barracks who had hidden when the SS massacred 60 to 70 prisoners on the roll call square, before they left the camp on April 2nd. The body of a dead SS soldier lay at the entrance to the camp, according to Nickols.

The American soldiers were told by Ohrdruf survivors that these prisoners had been shot by the SS on April 2nd because they had run out of trucks for transporting sick prisoners out of the camp, but there were sick prisoners still inside the barracks when the Americans arrived.

Among the soldiers who helped to liberate Ohrdruf was Charles T. Payne, who is Senator Barak Obama’s great uncle, the brother of his maternal grandmother. Charles T. Payne was a member of Company K, 355th Infantry Regiment, 89th Infantry Division.

According to an Associated Press story, published on June 4, 2009, Charles T. Payne’s unit arrived at the Ohrdruf camp on April 6, 1945.

End quote from my website

The following is an excerpt from an Associated Press article:

Begin quote

“I remember the whole area before you got to the camp, the town and around the camp, was full of people who had been inmates,” Payne, 84, said in a telephone interview from his home in Chicago.

“The people were in terrible shape, dressed in rags, most of them emaciated, the effects of starvation. Practically skin and bones.”

When Payne’s unit arrived, the gates to the camp were open, the Nazis already gone.

“In the gate, in the very middle of the gate on the ground was a dead man whose head had been beaten in with a metal bar,” Payne recalled. The body was of a prisoner who had served as a guard under the Germans and been killed by other inmates that morning.

“A short distance inside the front gate was a place where almost a circle of people had been … killed and were lying on the ground, holding their tin cups, as if they had been expecting food and were instead killed,” he said. “You could see where the machine gun had been set up behind some bushes, but the Germans were all gone by that time.”

He said he only moved some 200-300 feet (60-100 meters) inside of the camp. But that was enough to capture images so horrible that Gen. George S. Patton Jr. ordered townspeople into Ohrdruf to see for themselves the crimes committed by their countrymen – an order that would repeated at Buchenwald, Dachau and other camps liberated by U.S. soldiers.

“In some sheds were stacks of bodies, stripped extremely – most of them looked like they had starved to death. They had sprinkled lime over them to keep the smell down and stacked them several high and the length of the room,” Payne said.

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On April 11, 1945, just a week after the discovery of the Ohrdruf camp, American soldiers liberated the infamous Buchenwald main camp, which was to become synonymous with Nazi barbarity for a whole generation of Americans.

Buchenwald is located 5 miles north of the city of Weimar, which is 20 miles to the east of Gotha, where General Dwight D. Eisenhower had set up his headquarters.

The Ohrdruf forced labor camp was a sub-camp of the huge Buchenwald camp. Ohrdruf had been opened in November 1944 when prisoners were brought from Buchenwald to work on the construction of a vast underground bunker to house a new Führer headquarters for Hitler and his henchmen. This location was in the vicinity of a secret Nazi communications center and it was also near an underground salt mine where the Nazis had stored their treasures.

A. C. Boyd was one of the soldiers in the 89th Infantry Division who witnessed the Ohrdruf “death camp.” In a recent news article, written by Jimmy Smothers, Boyd mentioned that he saw bodies of prisoners who had been gassed at Ohrdruf.

There has been some speculation that the Germans might have tested an atomic bomb near Ohrdruf. In his book entitled “The SS Brotherhood of the Bell,” author James P. Farrell wrote about “the alleged German test of a small critical mass, high yield atom bomb at or near the Ohrdruf troop parade ground on March 4, 1945.” The “troop parade ground” was at the German Army Base right next to the Ohrdruf labor camp.

Why did General Eisenhower immediately order a propaganda campaign about Nazi atrocities? Was it to distract the media from discovering a far more important story?

The first news reel about the Nazi camps called Ohrdruf a “murder mill.” The camp was claimed to be a place where prisoners were killed; the possibility of an atomic bomb being made was not mentioned.

That’s all she wrote — and she rubbed that out. [lines from a song]

 

 

13 Comments »

  1. I think it’s pretty clear the Germans had no reactor(s) capable of producing fissionable material (Plutonium), and also no plant capable of producing fissionable material via isotope separation (U235 from U238) — without fissionable material you cannot detonate an atomic bomb.

    OhrdrufAm 6 Februar 1945 mittags warfen bei einem Luftangriff 35 amerikanische Fliegende Festungen B-17 insgesamt 91 Tonnen Bombenlast (davon 200 High Explosives Sprengbomben) auf die Stadt, in umgebenden Wald und Felder. 69 Einwohner kamen ums Leben: 39 Frauen, 22 Kinder und 8 Männer. — on Feb 6, 1945 the Americanss bombed the city of Ohrdruf, killing 69 people, including 39 women and 22 children.

    Zwangsarbeitslager OhrdrufAm 2. April 1945 musste der größte Teil der Häftlinge unter SS-Bewachung in einem Todesmarsch 51 Kilometer nach Buchenwald marschieren. Die Anzahl der Häftlinge, die während des Marsches zusammenbrachen und starben oder von den SS-Bewachern erschossen wurden, kann nur geschätzt werden. — On Apr 2, the was (yet another) ‘death march’ as Ohrdruf inmates were marched to Buchenwald; the number who died can only be estimated — Neben den 60 bis 70 Toten, die offensichtlich vor dem Marsch erschlagen oder erschossen worden waren, weil sie nicht marschfähig erschienen… — Apparently (“offensichtlich”) 60 -70 were shot before the ‘death march’, eg because they could not march (“sie nicht marschfähig erschienen”) — which does not make a lot of sense due to this passage: …but there were sick prisoners still inside the barracks when the Americans arrived. — if prisoners unable to march, including the sick, were shot, why weren’t all of them shot?

    Anyway, based on this no one could be convicted of eg a capital crime during the final phase at Ohrdruf — if there was evidence for that, you’d find it in the German language Wikipedia page about the camp — it’s all a lot of ‘he said’, as well as supposition — of course the conditions at nearly every German camp near the end of the war were terrible — so just because corpses were unburied or uncremated does not mean they were murdered.

    Comment by eah — July 31, 2017 @ 4:28 am

    • There’s also a 2005 book by Rainer Karlsch:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_weapon_project#Controversies_regarding_alleged_nuclear_tests

      It appears to be rumors though.

      Czech areas had the oldest and largest mines for uranium at the time; but, like you, I’ve always heard that the Germans didn’t go the fission route and therefore didn’t build up fissionable material: only small quantities for theoretical research.

      Comment by blake121666 — August 1, 2017 @ 5:07 pm

      • I thought it was heavy water the Germans lacked for their bomb. Wasn’t Joe Kennedy Jr. Supposed to have been involved in one of those attacks on a dam where heavy water was produced?

        Comment by Tim — August 1, 2017 @ 6:56 pm

    • Eah wrote: “of course the conditions at nearly every German camp near the end of the war were terrible — so just because corpses were unburied or uncremated does not mean they were murdered.”

      Should be obvious. Britain had experienced the same kind of atrocity propaganda during the Second Anglo-Boer War. Terms such as “death camps,” “extermination camps,” and even “crime against humanity” (crime de lèse-humanité) were used at that time in order to vilify the British side through the propagandist use of the epidemics raging in the concentration camps established by Britain in South Africa. It was also claimed that “the full extermination of the Dutch (Boer) population [of South Africa]” was desired by Britain (c’est l’entière extermination de la population hollandaise que l’on désire) and that “Great Britain seemingly plans to exterminate a race which committed no other crime than that of not being English” (la Grande-Bretagne semble avoir pour projet d’arriver à l’extermination d’une race qui n’a commis d’autre crime que de ne pas être anglaise). Moreover demonizing sketches and impressive out-of context photos seemed to confirm the most terrible charges.

      Of course, we all know that Britain didn’t try to exterminate the Boer population during the Second Anglo-Boer War. As a Swiss periodical correctly explained it at that time, “the press revelations about the huge death rate of the [Boer] refugees [in the British concentration camps] caused an explosion of general outrage, SKILLFULLY MAINTAINED BY THE ENEMIES OF THE ENGLISH GOVERNMENT” (une explosion d’indignation générale, habilement entretenue par les adversaires du gouvernement anglais) in England (David Lloyd George for instance) and abroad.

      Comment by hermie — August 2, 2017 @ 8:00 am

      • I read something somewhere,there was a pile of stiffs that doctors did an autopsy on. Turned out they all died from typhus. Any prison camp can turn into a breeding ground for an epidemic. Look at Andersonville POW prison from the civil war. They had a stream running right through the center of the prison. Prisoners were shitting and pissing in it. Same stream they drank from. Easy to accept when you got a ton of dead bodies in a place like that,it probably was the result of an epidemic .

        Comment by Tim — August 2, 2017 @ 3:39 pm

        • Tim wrote: “I read something somewhere, there was a pile of stiffs that doctors did an autopsy on. Turned out they all died from typhus.”

          Yes, there was Dr. Charles Larson, a colonel in the U.S. Army Medical Corps during WW2 and a forensic pathologist who followed General Patton’s troops in Southern Germany and performed thousands of autopsies (more than a thousand at Dachau alone) in more than 20 concentration camps. In 1980, he said: “What we’ve heard is that 6 million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax. […] most inmates died as a result of conditions in the camps.” When he said “Part of that is a hoax,” he was not talking about the death of million of Jews during WW2. He was talking about the way they died. He said in the same interview: “millions of Jews died at the hands of the Nazis. But most died as a result of the conditions to which they were subjected rather than mass exterminations.” Only the 2nd part of his statement deals with his job as a forensic pathologist in German concentration camps. The 1st part of it is of course just a repetition of the propaganda he had been fed with (like all of us). And given that any autopsy report proving the existence of a homicidal gassing in a Nazi camp would of course be shown to us almost every day, we must conclude that Dr. Larson didn’t find a single case of gassed corpse. Anyway, the defenders of the Holohoax wouldn’t have finally conceded that no homicidal gas chambers were ever used in the Altreich (i.e. Germany in its borders of 1937) if even a single autopsy report had proved otherwise.

          Funny to note that Dr. Larson still believed in homicidal gassings at Dachau 20 years after the claim had been officially dropped.


          “No Gassings at Dachau” (http://www.zeit.de/1960/34/keine-vergasung-in-dachau)

          “Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed. The gas chamber in Dachau was never entirely finished or put “into operation.” Hundreds of thousands of prisoners who perished in Dachau and other concentration camps in the Old Reich [that is, Germany in its borders of 1937] were victims, above all, of the catastrophic hygienic and provisioning conditions” – Dr. Martin Broszat of the Institute for Contemporary History (Institut für Zeitgeschichte) in Munich, letter published in “Die Zeit,” August 1960.

          Tim wrote: “Any prison camp can turn into a breeding ground for an epidemic. Look at Andersonville POW prison from the civil war. They had a stream running right through the center of the prison. Prisoners were shitting and pissing in it. Same stream they drank from. Easy to accept when you got a ton of dead bodies in a place like that,it probably was the result of an epidemic .”

          True. The US army experienced the same problems in its concentration camps (then called reconcentration camps) during the Philippine-American war (1899-1902) and had to face similar atrocity propaganda against itself. The Spanish army also went through the same thing in Cuba, what US President McKinley could exploit in order to start the Spanish-American War and finally get his hands on Cuba for economic and imperialist purposes.

          Comment by hermie — August 2, 2017 @ 7:06 pm

          • So basically all anybody should have been put on trial for,was ignorance . Ignorance in the fact they didn’t know just how filthy Jews were. Hey Gen. Patton found out first hand. He said when he went into one of the huts where the Jews were shacked up,they’d been pissing and shitting in one corner of the room. Clearly the nazis didn’t realize this,until it was too late. By then disease was clearly going ape shit through the prison. So nobody ever takes that into account

            Comment by Tim — August 3, 2017 @ 12:02 am

            • When General Patton came in close contact with the Jews he couldn’t believe how filthy rotten dirty they were. In fact before the Jews even got into the camps they were that way from living in the ghettos they’re not a clean people. Even a friend of mine who used to run a place up in New Hampshire where the Jews used to go on vacation said that they were dirty filthy people and left the place a disastrous mess so this is just part of the culture and the way they live.
              Because of the religious views they wouldn’t shave and even bathe so you can imagine the condition of those ghettos and by the time they got on the trains they were infested with lice so the Germans really did not know how bad things were going to be until they got into those camps and of course we know the end result was a disaster with thousands dying. I’m sure the Germans regretted that from day one.

              JR

              Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 3, 2017 @ 8:09 am

            • Tim wrote: “So basically all anybody should have been put on trial for,was ignorance . Ignorance in the fact they didn’t know just how filthy Jews were. Hey Gen. Patton found out first hand. He said when he went into one of the huts where the Jews were shacked up,they’d been pissing and shitting in one corner of the room. Clearly the nazis didn’t realize this,until it was too late.”

              Besides that, one should keep in mind that Germany was collapsing under a titanic amount of bombs a few months before the Allied photographers and filmmakers came to Germany in order to record “graphic evidence of Nazi barbarism” with their cameras. Prior to that chaotic time, the Germans had successfully implemented measures to keep things under control. Major epidemics had reached dramatic proportions in the concentration camps established by the Spaniards in Cuba, by the Americans in the Philippines and by the British in South Africa in much less time than they have in the last German concentration camps in operation.


              Evolution of mortality over time at Dachau

              Tim wrote: “By then disease was clearly going ape shit through the prison. So nobody ever takes that into account”

              Meanwhile, far from the pile of rubble called Germany, in Minnesota…

              For science, some men ate 1,540 kilocalories per day for less than 6 months.




              The Minnesota [semi] starvation experiment (1944-45)

              Comment by hermie — August 3, 2017 @ 8:31 am

              • Your comment went into the spam folder, but I pulled it out. Too many links caused it to be classified as spam.

                Comment by furtherglory — August 3, 2017 @ 8:39 am

                • Thank you for saving my comment, Furtherglory. Very nice of you…

                  Comment by hermie — August 3, 2017 @ 8:47 am

  2. Blah,blah,blah. Gen Patton ordered the towns people to come view the stiffs. Then we go forward in the story. Gen. Eisenhower orders the folks to see the stiffs. How do we know all those people died from lead poisoning. We just got the word of the person who took the happy snap. Sorry. I’m not gonna believe anything,that one of Barry’s relatives has to say. The Jews were holding their cups like they were going to be given some grub. Instead those bastard soldiers shot them. In the words of Gomer Pyle,”shame,shame,shame on you”. So this photo ,” is back in the news again. They don’t have any different photos to use?

    Comment by Tim — July 31, 2017 @ 1:36 am

  3. This Camp was pretty much the first show Camp they had to show so-called atrocities of the Germans so that they could get the people of the United States on their side because if they ever knew of the atrocities that the Allies which were doing to the Germans they wouldn’t have been not too happy. None of these people on this camp where executed in gas Chambers if they died they died by natural causes or prisoner uprisings amongst themselves killing each other.
    The lengths that the United States went in the Pscops operations was disgusting and course it only went downhill from there.
    This is a perfect example of showing a narrative that didn’t happen the way they claimed it happen but to fool people into thinking something bad happened.

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — July 30, 2017 @ 4:22 pm


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