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November 8, 2017

Here is why I never went to Sobibor

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — furtherglory @ 12:03 pm

I have visited almost every former concentration camp, except for one: Sobibor.

Years ago, I wanted to go to Sobibor, but I was warned not to go there. I was told that the former camp was inhabited by murderers and thieves, and that I would be robbed, raped and killed, with my body left beside the road to rot.

I am writing about Sobibor now because this former camp is in the news: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/237801

The following quote is from the news story:

Begin quote

JTA – In late 1943, the Germans were desperate to cover all traces of their death camp in Sobibor, Poland. They demolished buildings, bulldozed the evidence, planted trees.

More than 70 years later, archaeologists led by Yoram Haimi of the Israel Antiquities Authority set about excavating the site, uncovering gas chambers, mass graves — and, late last year, a girl’s silver pendant. It is engraved with a date, the place name “Frankfurt” and the Hebrew words “mazal tov.”

A cry from the earth, the remnant from a killing ground has opened up a tragic past to a family that knew little about it.

End quote from news story

Train station at Sobibor is shown on the right

Sobibor was a death camp, allegedly built by the Nazis in March 1942 for the sole purpose of killing European Jews in gas chambers. An estimated 250,000 Jews were murdered at Sobibor during a period of only 18 months, according to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The old train station at the village of Sobibor is shown on the right side of the photograph above; train service to Sobibor was discontinued in 1999. Also on the right side of the photo is the house where the Commandant of the camp formerly lived.

Franz Stangl was the first Commandant of the camp. Stangl had previously headed the euthanasia center at Hartheim Castle in Austria where physically and mentally disabled Germans were killed with carbon monoxide in a gas chamber. After six months at Sobibor, Stangl was transferred to the Treblinka death camp where he served as the Commandant.

28 Comments »

  1. Thanks for the HoloHoax version….here is the truth…
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_Allen.html

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 8, 2017 @ 12:39 pm

  2. SOBIBOR. EXTERMINATION CAMP ?.
    We can learn from the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, that even in the alleged extermination camp Sobibor: “some Jews were employed in the workshops as tailors, cobblers, carpenters and so on”[140]

    At Sobibor, the Jewish workers were ‘TREATED HUMANELY’. Leon Feldhendler, who was interned in that camp from January to October 1943, relates:[141]
    Quote:
    “The tradesmen were living very nicely, in their workshops they had comfortable quarters. Their daily rations consisted of half a kilogram of bread, soup, horsemeat, groats (from the transports) twice a week. Work: From 6 a.m. through noon, an hour for lunch and then again work until 5 p.m. (Time of between 5 and 10, at their discretion).”

    [140] Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Mac Millan, New York 1990, entry “Sobibor” (p. 1373 f.).

    [141] N. Blumental (ed.), Dokumenty i materialy z csasow okupacji niemieckiej w Polsce, Obozy, vol. 1, Lodz 1946, p. 204.

    TREATED HUMANELY, TRADESMEN LIVING VERY NICELY, COMFORTABLE QUARTERS, GOOD FOOD AND AN HOUR FOR LUNCH. SURELY NOT !…OY VEY.

    Comment by herebysayi — November 8, 2017 @ 12:19 pm

  3. At Sobibor,outdoor cremations were supposedly begun in either the late summer – early autumn (Yitzhac Arad,in ” Belzec, Sobibor & Treblinka’ p. 171) or winter (Jules Schelvis,’Sobibor’. p. 110) of 1942. Arad writes that the bodies were buried in an unspecified number of mass graves “50 to 60 meters long, 10 to 15 meters wide, and 5 to 7 meters deep” (p. 33). Arad writes that “the whole area was swampy” (p. 30). A look at a 1933 map of the Sobibor area reveal several small lakes or ponds close to the future camp, as well as a number of marshy areas, including a smaller spot inside the future camp perimeter.

    Franz Suchomel,(Unterscharführer in the SS) who oversaw the liquidation of Sobibor, testified in 1962 that the barracks in Sobibor were constructed on top of “meter high piles” to avoid the danger of flooding. In an interview in the early 1970s he further stated that “NO KILLINGS WERE DONE IN SOBIBOR AFTER THE SNOW THAWED BECAUSE IT WAS ALL UNDER WATER” adding that “It was very damp at the best of times, but then it became a lake” (Sereny, ‘Into That Darkness’ p. 115). Arad says inmates attempted to escape through a tunnel (p. 311). The tunnel, which was planned by a professional miner, “could not go deeper” than 155 centimeters below the earth’s surface, because “there was a danger it might strike water.”Yet he would have us believe burial and burning pits 5 to7 metres deep.?

    Franz Stangl (Camp Commandant) describes the Gas Chamber as a “BRICK BUILDING” (Sereny, Into That Darkness, p. 109). Erich Fuchs,(SS-Scharführer) says it was “A CONCRETE STRUCTURE”. Erich Bauer,(SS-Oberscharführer.) The gas chambers.were not made by brick or concrete “BUT OF WOOD” (Jules Schelvis, p. 101). Arad (Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, p. 31) writes that the first building contained 3 chambers, each 4 x 4 meters, with a capacity of 200 victims per chamber, ( 200 people in a room 4×4 metres??????)

    Comment by herebysayi — November 8, 2017 @ 12:15 pm

  4. “There is no evidence for Sobibor being a Transit camp”?. Nuremberg document NO-482 referred to by Senior Historian of the USHMM we find that the crucial part of Himmler’s 5 July 1943 directive reads as follows:
    “Das Durchgangslager Sobibor im Distrikt Lublin ist in ein Konzentrationslager umzuwandeln. In dem Konzentrationslager ist eine Entlaborierungsanstalt für Beutemunition einzurichten.

    ” translation:
    “ The Sobibór TRANSIT camp, located in the Lublin district, is to be converted into a concentration camp. A dismantling unit for captured enemy munitions is to be set up in the concentration camp.” And in Pohl’s reply from 15 July 1943 (not 10 July as stated by Black) we read:

    “Gemäß Ihrer obigen Anordnung soll das Durchgangslager Sobibór im Distrikt Lublin in ein Konzentrationslager umgewandelt zu werden. Ich habe mich mit SS-Gruppenführer Globocnik darüber unterhalten. Wir beide schlagen Ihnen vor, die Umwandlung in ein Konzentrationslager aufzugeben, weil der von Ihnen erstrebte Zweck, nämlich: in Sobibór eine Entlaborierungsanstalt für Beutemunition einzurichten, auch ohne diese Umwandlung erreicht wird.

    ” translation:
    “ According to your above instructions, the Sobibór TRANSIT camp in the Lublin district is to be converted into a concentration camp. I have discussed this with SS-Gruppenführer Globocnik. Both of us propose to abandon this conversion, as the purpose intended, viz. to set up at Sobibór an installation for the defusing of enemy munitions, can be realized without such a conversion.” Then on 24 July 1943 Himmler’s personal assistant, Rudolf Brandt, replied back [3]:

    “Der Reichsführer-SS ist mit dem Vorschlag, den Sie und SS-Gruppenführer Globocnik hinsichtlich der Belassung des Durchgangslager Sobibór im Distrikt Lublin in dem augenblicklichen Zustand gemacht haben, einverstanden, nachdem der vom ihm gewünschte Zweck auf diese Weise erreicht wird.

    ” translation:
    “ The Reichsführer SS agrees to the proposal [made] by you and SS-Gruppenführer Globocnik concerning the maintenance of the Sobibor TRANSIT camp in the Lublin district in its present state, as the desired objective can be attained in this manner.”

    INTERGLOT: German to English: more detail… Durchgangslager: transit camp ; transit depots ; transit storage ; transit depository ; transit storages ; transit depositories transit depositories ; transit depots ; transit warehouses

    Comment by herebysayi — November 8, 2017 @ 12:12 pm

    • THE UPRISING OCTOBER 14, 1943
      From the various traditional writings about the revolt of October 14, 1943, with only slight variations, the uprising can be reconstructed: On this morning, each of the present SS men was asked in the course of the afternoon at a specified time to come into a workshop a warehouse or an office. They may want a new suit or a leather coat or to try on a jacket or a pair of shoes that belonged to a murdered inmate, come and take a closer look and examine the newly-built shelves. At first everything went according to plan. Leon Feldhendler supervised Camp II, Alexander Petcherchersky watching over Camp I. The exchange of information between the two concerned was done by young boys called “Putzer”, which were able to move as servants of the SS within the camps quite freely. Stanislaw Szmajzner pretended to have to repair something on the roof of the armoury. From there he could get inside, and take three rifles and ammunition and have them smuggled out. A Czech electrician cut off all connections to the outside. Hidden money and valuables which should help them move forward after a successful escape were distributed to the insurgents.
      The killing of the SS men initially worked quickly and smoothly as planned. Greed and punctuality were found to be a reliable constant of the plan. After SS Sergeant Josef Wolf was killed first in a warehouse building of Camp II while trying on a leather jacket with a blow with an axe, there was no turning back. The rebellion had begun. In Camp I the 16-year old Yehuda Lerner struck SS Sergeant Siegfried Graetschuss down with a hatchet, who was commander of the Ukrainian guards. Lerner had, after his parents were deported from the Warsaw ghetto to Treblinka, previously fled from eight camps before, he was brought together with Russian prisoners of war from Minsk to Sobibor. Also Untersturmführer Niemann deputy to commander of the day, met on his horse one time in front of the assembly hall (Lagerhalle), where he was liquidated. At 16.45 o’clock in Camp II four SS-men had been killed. But SS Sergeant Karl Frenzel did not come as planned into the carpentry and Walter Ryba arrived unexpectedly in the garage and surprised one of the rebels who stabbed him to death. Because the danger was that his body could be discovered there, Petchersky decided to give the signal for the evening roll call a little earlier than usual.
      This unfortunately was the beginning of the scheduled rebellion slowly spiralling out of control. Among the prisoners there was ​wide unrest, and they began to diverge and ran in all directions. As an ethnic German(Volksdeutscher) tried to stand in their way, he was trapped by the crowd and killed.[This statement by the researcher is wrong, the killer was the 16 year old Yehuda Lerner, who emigrated later on to Israel.sic] They all crowded towards the main entrance. Some ran to the armoury. There was an SS man, Karl Dubois severely injured by a blow with an axe and a gunshot wound and had lost consciousness. Erich Bauer, who described himself as ” Gas Meister of Sobibor”, arrived unexpectedly with a truck at the gate, and when he saw the confusion, he immediately opened fire on the prisoners. The Ukrainian guards started to shoot from their watchtowers onto the fugitives. Frenzel, startled by the noise rushed forward with a machine gun and also began to shoot into the crowd. 60 prisoners who returned from Camp IV at the usual time for roll call came too late to join the fugitives. Their captors held them back when they heard the shots. They were taken to a barrack and shot during the night.

      Source: Der Ort des Terrors
      Translated from German by:
      Herbert Stolpmann

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — November 9, 2017 @ 12:18 am

      • Herbert. Yes, they’re wonderful story tellers !.

        Comment by herebysayi — November 9, 2017 @ 12:31 am

        • @herebysayi:
          “Herbert. Yes, they’re wonderful story tellers !.”

          So are deniers.

          So, if Sobibor was a transit camp, where were they transited to? You can’t have a transit camp if you don’t know where they went.

          Comment by brycesdaddy1105 — November 9, 2017 @ 8:59 am

          • During the German wartime occupation of Lithuania, the Jew Herman Kruk kept a Yiddish-language diary which was later translated into English.[72] In his entry of 16 April 1943 Kruk mentioned the presence of 19,000 Dutch Jews in the Lithuanian town of Vievis. On 20 April 1943, he wrote that furniture belonging to Dutch Jews had been brought to the local workshops for repair and that Dutch documents had been found in the drawers. As there is no reason on earth why Kruk should have made up this story, this proves that Dutch Jews allegedly gassed at Auschwitz and Sobibor were transferred to Lithuania (mainstream “holocaust” literature knows nothing about Dutch Jews in the Eastern territories).

            – In April 1944 the communist French underground newspaper Notre Voix reported that 8,000 Jews from Paris had been “rescued” by the Red Army in Ukraine.[73] According to “holocaust” literature, the only French Jews ever deported to the East went to Estonia and Lithuania in May 1944,[74] so the Parisian Jews found in the Ukraine in April 1944 must by necessity have gone there via Auschwitz. In the “holocaust” statistics, they figure as “gassed people.”

            [72] Herman Kruk, The last days of the Jerusalem of Lithuania, Yale University Press, New Haven/London 2002.
            [73] Adam Raisky, La presse antiraciste sous l’occupation hitlérienne, Paris 1950, p. 179.
            [74] Serge Klarsfeld, Le mémorial de la déportation des juifs de France, Paris 1978.

            Comment by herebysayi — November 9, 2017 @ 9:35 am

            • @herebysayi:
              “During the German wartime occupation of Lithuania, the Jew Herman Kruk kept a Yiddish-language diary which was later translated into English.[72] In his entry of 16 April 1943 Kruk mentioned the presence of 19,000 Dutch Jews in the Lithuanian town of Vievis. On 20 April 1943, he wrote that furniture belonging to Dutch Jews had been brought to the local workshops for repair and that Dutch documents had been found in the drawers. As there is no reason on earth why Kruk should have made up this story, this proves that Dutch Jews allegedly gassed at Auschwitz and Sobibor were transferred to Lithuania (mainstream “holocaust” literature knows nothing about Dutch Jews in the Eastern territories).”

              LOL, most of the Jews that “transited” through Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were Polish Jews. In fact, that was the primary purpose of these camps. Are you saying that Polish Jews were “transited” to Lithuania? Any proof?
              Where is your proof that these Dutch Jews “transited” through Sobibor or Auschwitz?

              “– In April 1944 the communist French underground newspaper Notre Voix reported that 8,000 Jews from Paris had been “rescued” by the Red Army in Ukraine.[73] According to “holocaust” literature, the only French Jews ever deported to the East went to Estonia and Lithuania in May 1944,[74] so the Parisian Jews found in the Ukraine in April 1944 must by necessity have gone there via Auschwitz. In the “holocaust” statistics, they figure as “gassed people.”

              By necessity? Why? Are you saying 8,000 French Jews found by the Red Army proves that Auschwitz was a transit camp? The same for Sobibor?

              BTW, one of the functions of Auschwitz was a transit camp…along with being a labor camp, a concentration camp and a death camp.

              Try a little harder, please.

              Comment by brycesdaddy1105 — November 9, 2017 @ 10:18 am

              • So Auschwitz was a death camp? I’m sure it was…..lol…maybe you can show us how they killed all the people in that camp with zyklon-b. Have never gotten an explanation of how it worked especially from the Holohucksters who think you just throw the pellets through a hole in the roof and pooff it kills people in ten minutes or less… happy to say it doesn’t work that way.

                You do know that there has to be fans in the room to circulate the gas around all the bodies and the temperature has to be around 80 degrees for the zyklon-b to work properly and you do know also I hope that zyklon-b off gasses at 10% an hour so that would mean that all those people that were killed in that room were killed with 10% of the product pretty much impossible to do that. But then again you’re going to say you need less ZB to kill humans. Well that doesn’t make sense either because why would the Germans waste 90% of a product just to use that 10% to kill people it would be a very big waste of a product when you think.

                Oh did I mention that I haven’t found anyone that talks about the fans being in the room and the temperature of the room being around 80 degrees.
                Must have been a fun time in the winter when the temperatures go below zero.
                I guess they must have just forgot that but they do mention the people being black and blue… the only problem with that is if people were killed with zyklon-b or diesel gas they would turn pink so I guess they were having a problem with color blindness that day.
                The Holocaust story is the biggest hoax that ever came down the pike yet Millions believe it because they never ever get a chance to question what really happened and the revisionist are the only ones that are telling the truth but sadly we are banned in 24 countries because they don’t want people to know the truth… you only ban people when you want to stop the truth from getting out. If the Holohucksters had the truth about what happened in those camps they wouldn’t have to ban people from giving their side of the story. The truth would stand on its own Merit. The only problem is the Jews who are telling the lies don’t have any Merit to them and that’s why they are lying.

                JR

                Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 9, 2017 @ 10:46 am

                • @Jim Rizoli:
                  “So Auschwitz was a death camp? I’m sure it was…..lol…”

                  Good, you get it. Finally.

                  “maybe you can show us how they killed all the people in that camp with zyklon-b. Have never gotten an explanation of how it worked especially from the Holohucksters who think you just throw the pellets through a hole in the roof and pooff it kills people in ten minutes or less… happy to say it doesn’t work that way.”

                  Actually Kremas II and III had wire mesh columns that the ZB was lowered down in. Those columns are listed in an inventory, Jim. I’ve posted it before.

                  “You do know that there has to be fans in the room to circulate the gas around all the bodies and the temperature has to be around 80 degrees for the zyklon-b to work properly”

                  There were four mesh columns spaced apart to allow the gas to filter through the room. Also, ZB will still outgas at lower temperature and the victim’s bodies will heat the room up naturally.

                  “and you do know also I hope that zyklon-b off gasses at 10% an hour so that would mean that all those people that were killed in that room were killed with 10% of the product pretty much impossible to do that. But then again you’re going to say you need less ZB to kill humans.”

                  Why yes, Jim. Insects require a longer, higher exposure due to their particular respiratory systems and ectothermic nature. More importantly, the gas also needs to destroy the eggs, not just kill the insects.

                  “Well that doesn’t make sense either because why would the Germans waste 90% of a product just to use that 10% to kill people it would be a very big waste of a product when you think.”

                  Not really, no. It was readily available and common.

                  “Oh did I mention that I haven’t found anyone that talks about the fans being in the room and the temperature of the room being around 80 degrees.
                  Must have been a fun time in the winter when the temperatures go below zero.”

                  See my above comment, Jim.

                  “I guess they must have just forgot that but they do mention the people being black and blue… the only problem with that is if people were killed with zyklon-b or diesel gas they would turn pink so I guess they were having a problem with color blindness that day.”

                  One, Diesel or petrol gas was not used in the Auschwitz gas chambers. Two, the Germans used petrol fumes for the vans and the ARC Camps. For the millionth time, those closest to those engines said they were ordinary petrol engines and not diesel. Three, there are lots of reasons why victims would describe “black and blue” victims, from what I can tell a lot of victims were injured in the stampede as panicked people tried to escape. It’s also conceivable that some of the victims died from suffocation and not succumbing from the gas.

                  I deleted the next bit because it’s old and stale.

                  Comment by brycesdaddy1105 — November 9, 2017 @ 12:14 pm

                • Jeff…..you’re just a lost cause sorry to say. You refuse to see the truth….really can’t understand why.

                  Those pesky mesh columns….Remember no holes no holocaust….and of course no mesh columns.

                  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p33_Renk.html

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 9, 2017 @ 3:49 pm

                • The evaporation rate of HCN from the Zyklon carrier is:

                  10% outgasses in about 5 minutes. About 80% will have evaporated off in an hour at 15C (60F). As the graph shows, HCN evaporates off the Zyklon even at 0F (-18C). Even if body heat wouldn’t have warmed up the chamber (and it certainly would have), the Zyklon would still outgas.

                  HCN gas disperses in air very quickly – but a fan would help distribute it more quickly and evenly.

                  Comment by blake121666 — November 9, 2017 @ 6:35 pm

                • They’re also has to be enough space between the people so that they can inhale the zyklon-b gas enough to kill them a….you would need approximately 9 square feet per person so that will give you the number of people that could fit into a room to work effectively.
                  They say that in Birkenau in Krema 2 there is approximately 2000 square feet of space do the math how many people could fit in that room maybe two or three hundred not 2000.

                  If there were a couple thousand people in that room there’s no way it’s going to be able to work that fast or at all.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 9, 2017 @ 7:14 pm

                • Your 9 sq ft statement is preposterous. I’ve told you this before.

                  One use of Zyklon and other HCN delousings was to delouse jam-packed crates of oranges and such. Even grain! Do you think there is 9 sq ft between grains?

                  Hell, the Prussian Blue staining on the brick walls is from HCN going into the pores of bricks for crying out loud! Were there 9 sq ft pores in the bricks?

                  You could pack persons together as tightly as you like; the HCN will get to them. It penetrates the eggs of lice and kills them,

                  For this reason, the procedure to calculate the amount of Zyklon needed is based on the dimensions of the room/building/cargo-hold – regardless of anything in that room/building/cargo-hold.

                  The 9 sq ft crap is ridiculously bogus. Drop that one, Jim.

                  Comment by blake121666 — November 9, 2017 @ 7:50 pm

                • If you’re really want to put this to rest to find out if I’m right or not why don’t they just do a test to see how the zyklon-b would work in a room by using instruments to measure the amount of zyklon B that could be inhaled that would tell us don’t you think. The problem is they don’t want to do that because they know they’re going to lose the case. Think about it consider the JFK assassination they’ve done mock ups of what happened there but they won’t do this one I wonder why.
                  Show me how it was done and prove me wrong.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 9, 2017 @ 8:17 pm

                • An Expert on Cyanide Speaks Out
                  Gérard RoubeixNantes, the 2nd Nov. 1997 51 Av. de la Coquetterie 44000 Nantes to M. Michel Adam c/o ANEC PO Box 21 44530 St. Gildas-des-Bois
                  Quote:
                  “Sir. Having learned about the odious persecution of which you are a victim in the name of “freedom of expression,” let me express all of my sympathy and my total solidarity to you. I have spent 20 years of my career as an engineer in the hydrogen cyanide industry in the service of the groups Pechiney-Ugine-Kuhlmann and Charbonnages de France. In particular, I have been the director of the St. Avold plant, which in 1970, with its production of 40 tons of cyanides per day, was the most important plant worldwide; theoretically, this production would have allowed the lethal poisoning of 500 million human beings on a single day. This shows how I am aware of the problems regarding the handling of HCN. Well, I affirm that all the “testimonies” I have read or heard of concerning these gas chambers, in which 2 to 3,000 people were crammed, ‘ARE NOTHING BUT TOTAL FANTASY. I congratulate you for your admirable battle against the hoax. The truth is on its way”.

                  Also:
                  Testimony given at the 1985 Zundel trial by Dr William Bryan Lindsey, holder of a doctorate in chemistry from the university of Indiana at Bloomington, who was employed at the Dow Chemical Corporation as a research Chemist for 33 years who said:

                  “I have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposely killed with Zyklon B pesticide in this manner, I consider it absolutely impossible” He also testified that the safety and time factors involved in the supposed gassing of millions of people with Zyklon B pesticide are scientifically impossible..

                  Comment by herebysayi — November 9, 2017 @ 8:44 pm

                • Excellent! Hopefully the Holo hucksters that read this will get it.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 9, 2017 @ 10:12 pm

                • ZB facts

                  The development of the Zyklon B fumigation chamber spanned the two World Wars, and depended almost entirely upon the danger of epidemics from lice-carried spotted typhus. These chambers were therefore known and referred to as “hydrogen cyanide delousing chambers” (“Blausaeure-Entlausungs-kammer”). Faced with the absolute necessity of such chambers and a lethal fumigating agent (always in short supply) in wartime, the DEGESCH delousing chamber was designed. It provided for the safe introduction of the sealed Zyklon B can of the required size for the volume of the fumigating chamber. The entry port was sealed airtight and the can opened by an externally-operated screw which pierced the soldered can inside the sealed chamber, allowing the Zyklon B granules to fall onto a heated surface (the “Vergasergeraet” [“Gasifier”] or “stove,” in the jargon of the “Holocaust” disciples), assuring the evaporation of the liquid hydrogen cyanide from the granules. A circulatory fan circulated the air / Zyklon B mixture within the chamber to mix the gases. This prevented gas stratification, since Zyklon B gas is lighter than air (not heavier, as so often erroneously stated or implied by the “Holocaust” propagandists), and made certain that the required mixture of 20g. of Zyklon B per cubic meter of air penetrated throughout the entire fumigation chamber, including the clothing articles to be deloused. With the circulation fan, the fumigation could be completed in one hour. Without such a system, the entire procedure required at least 16 hours — preferably 24 hours. After fumigation, the circulation system exhausted the poisonous mixture up a stack and aired the fumigated clothing before the airtight doors to the chamber were opened and the deloused, fumigated clothing removed to be reclaimed by its owners.
                  The advantages of such chambers were obvious and substantial. By the Summer of 1943, 552 Zyklon B fumigation or delousing chambers with circulation systems had been constructed at 226 different sites. One hundred more had been constructed without circulation systems and were being used despite the longer fumigation time. Almost half these delousing chambers were constructed between January 1942 and April 1943. The munitions industry had such chambers either in regular operation or under construction, since in the Summer of 1943 it became obligatory to inspect foreign workers regularly for the duration of the war to insure that they were and remained free from vermin. (Emil Wuestinger, “Vermehrter Einsatz von Blausaeure-Entlausungskammern,” [“Increased Usage of Hydrogen Cyanide Delousing Chambers”], Gesundheits-Ingenieur, Jahrgang 67, Heft 7, pp. 179-80.)

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 10, 2017 @ 6:43 am

                • Good Info Jim, of course it wont make a blind bit of difference to the holohoaxters, they’re trained to ignore everything that exposes their BS.

                  Here’s some Info from Jean Claude Pressac: ‘AUSCHWITZ: TECHNIQUE & OPERATION OF THE GAS CHAMBERS’.

                  “As it turned out, completion of Krema buildings IV and V had to be delayed several weeks, and they were not finished until May and late ApriL respectively. (pp. 348, 349, 384.) They were also so hastily and poorly constructed that Krema IV was soon shut down for good, and Krema V could be used only intermittently”. (pp. 413, 420.) Even though they were supposedly built as extermination facilities, the “gas chamber” rooms of crematory buildings IV and V had no ventilators, Pressac concedes. But this fact alone means that these rooms would have been absolutely unsuited for gassing people. Without powerful fans to remove the deadly poison, many hours of “natural” airing would have been necessary before anyone, even with gas masks, could have safely entered the gas — saturated rooms. Pressac is aware that this awkward fact poses some difficulty for his basic thesis, but lamely mentions only that “ventilation of the premises was a serious problem.” (pp. 386, 416, 498.)

                  (The supposed “gas chamber” rooms of Kremas II and III did have ventilation systems, Pressac writes, but concedes that these were clearly “designed for a cool morgue, not for a warm gas chamber.” pp. 224, 285, 289.)

                  The telegram dated May 14, 1943, from Karl Bischoff, the head of the Auschwitz Central Construction Office, to Kurt Prüfer, the head engineer for Topf & Sons, which built the crematorium ovens and sought to provide other products to the camp as well. It reads:
                  Quote:
                  “Bring Monday [May 17] rough plan for production of hot water for about 100 showers. Fitting of heating coils or boiler in the waste incinerator at present under construction crem. III or system using the high temperatures of the flue gases. It would be possible to raise the brickwork of the furnace to take a large tank. Herr Prüfer is requested to bring the relevant drawings on Monday 15/5. Sig. Bischoff” .

                  Pressac’s commentary on this document is also worth quoting:
                  “In this telegram, Jährling requested the urgent study of an installation to obtain hot water from the waste incinerator of Krematorium III, then under construction, to supply about one hundred showers (probably to be located in an annex building built on the southern wall of the Krematorium). Prüfer was supposed to bring the relevant drawings with him on the 17th of May. [This plan was never implemented, although such installations were built in other camps, for example in the crematorium of K L Natzweiler (Struthof) where the incinerator was the main source of heat for the showers.] Although this request for a hot water system for a hundred NORMAL showers was in no way criminal, it was recorded in the Krematorium III worksite 30a, file under the heading “SONDERMASSN [AHMEN] / SPECIAL MEASURES” because the building was connected with these measures, the killing and cremation of Jews unfit for work.” This interpretation is incorrect in all respects. The telegram to Topf & Sons is part of a longer report, in four parts, that is contained in the Auschwitz Central Construction Office files, now archived in Moscow. The report commences with a cover letter from Bischoff to Kammler which begins:

                  Auschwitz, am 16.5.1943
                  Bftgb.[correspondence number] 28 941/43/Eg/Lm Betr.[re]: Sondermassnahme für die Verbesserung der hygienischen Einrichtungen im KGL-Auschwitz

                  (In English: “Special Measure for the Improvement of Hygiene at the POW Camp Auschwitz,” that is, Birkenau.)

                  P.S. PRESSAC: “Almost No Zyklon B Used to Kill People” According to our author, more than 95 per cent of the Zyklon B was used to exterminate vermin, which takes time to kill, and less than 5 per cent to exterminate people, who are easy to kill ! AUSCHWITZ: TECHNIQUE & OPERATION OF THE GAS CHAMBERS: (p. 15).

                  RAUL HILBERG, Assures us that: “Almost the whole Auschwitz supply was needed for the gassing of people”; very little was used for fumigation (_The Destruction of the European Jews_, New York, Holmes and Meier, Revised and Definitive Edition, 1985, p. 890).

                  Comment by herebysayi — November 10, 2017 @ 7:09 am

                • An interesting quote from a book I’m reading which seems to say it all:
                  QUOTE:
                  “Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is an indispensable weapon — one that must be used relentlessly against their common enemy (non-jews)… Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is government-funded. Books with Holocaust themes, documentaries, feature films, TV programs, memorials and museums are a staple of America’s cultural diet”.

                  –Israeli author Moshe Leshem, ‘Balaam’s Curse’, p. 228

                  Comment by herebysayi — November 10, 2017 @ 7:50 am

                • That is worth repeating and I will include in my quotes that I use.
                  Our resident HoloHuxsters here have no clue what is going on and the hateful politics behind it.

                  Thanks!

                  JR

                  An interesting quote from a book I’m reading which seems to say it all:
                  QUOTE:
                  ”Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is an indispensable weapon — one that must be used relentlessly against their common enemy (non-jews)… Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is government-funded. Books with Holocaust themes, documentaries, feature films, TV programs, memorials and museums are a staple of America’s cultural diet”.

                  –Israeli author Moshe Leshem, ‘Balaam’s Curse’, p. 228

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 10, 2017 @ 8:23 am

                • A HoloHoax 101 by Jim Rizoli the short version….for the New comers here that want to know the truth…

                  Some background on the issues with the Jews and the HoloHoax…..

                  Who started it?

                  In 1933 the Jews declared war on Germany and boycotted Germans goods world wide for several years, several years before the war even started and after that severe restrictions were placed on all Jews. Would you want a people who wanted the worse to happen to your country living there?

                  What was the game plan?

                  Hitler wanted the Jews out of Europe because of their bad behavior and treasonous activities and he couldn’t trust them. 80% of the Jews were Communist, not a good thing for Germany. How would they get rid of the Jews? This was going to happen trough emigration policy not extermination as we are wrongly taught today. Most of them were gone by the beginning of the war anyway.

                  Those that remained for whatever reason which amounted to a few hundred thousand maybe less were still living in Germany and put in work camps but not all were put in the work camps. Several of their temples were still being used for their CULT worship. Some Jews lived out the war in relative peace being able to function albeit with many restrictions put upon them.

                  I’ve heard by some Germans living in Germany at the time say that they had Jews living in their towns, not being bothered at all.

                  As the Germans marched eastward…they set up work camps to supply the military with the needed things they needed to fight the war against the Russians. As Germany took over nearby countries many more Jews were rounded up in those countries and put to work, and these are the ones that ended up in the Poland area, which had the most famous camps, Auschwitz, being the most notable.
                  There were many camps in Germany at the time also but those camps housed real hardened criminals.

                  Of course the several Reinhardt camps consisting of Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Majdanek, Chelmo and others were camps that transited the Jews around from camp to camp where workers were needed, and many Jews eventually ended up in Russia as Germany pressed further into Russian territory.

                  Many thousands of Jews eventually did end up being killed in Russia by the Russians and NOT the Germans later on wars end. This would account for those Jews who apparently just disappeared.
                  Of course many Jews who did survive ended up in the United States without the knowledge of their families and some of them actually were reunited with them later on which shows that they all didn’t die like the family thought.

                  The real question to ask is…..Why would the Germans kill the much needed work force they depended upon with their march eastward into Russia? Logical answer they wouldn’t.

                  So if Jews say all their families were exterminated they just might of ended up in Russia and died there by whatever means which caused their deaths or even better actually survived the war and ended up in one of the several countries that took them in later.

                  The Russians were responsible for many Jewish deaths but that is never brought up in HoloHoax discussion, because the blame always had to be put on the Germans for all Jewish deaths.

                  The Russians by their murderous brutal actions were the background for the book Hellstorm, by Thomas Goodrich. You can watch the video online to see what they did to the Germans.

                  Yes Jews did die, but why?

                  To say that Jews were murdered without knowing the facts is a little disingenuous by people who have no clue wouldn’t you think?
                  How do they know how someone died by looking at a picture or video? Are they a forensic specialist? Were they there to witness it?

                  I’m sure some Jews were murdered but it wasn’t the policy to do that. If some were it could of been by some rogue Germans who have had enough of Jew nonsense and took their frustrations on them, again not German policy.

                  Now if you mean Jews were killed directly by orders thats a different story, because if they were part of the partisan movement, or espionage unit, or a group of people that were there to sabotage things, sure if caught they were shot on the spot. Now if Jews died by “natural” causes like sickness, malnutrition etc yes that happened by the thousands.

                  There were NO 6 million or even anything close to that of Jewish deaths. I believe in all the camps that existed under 500k died from all causes and half of them might of been Jews.

                  Jews who died outside the camps could of been a million, I really have no clue. But considering that approx 4 million Jews were collecting reparations at the end of the war for their so called suffering it sure doesn’t seem like that many died.

                  Bottom line hundreds of thousands of Jews and other nationalities died, there is no question about it, but we as researches who are looking for truth have to see what the circumstances were at the time and come to an honest conclusion based on fact and not blind emotion and Jew propaganda.

                  What has happened with the Holohoax is, the Jew run media has wrongly and maliciously determined that every Jew death was calculated and orchestrated because the Germans hated Jews and wanted to eliminate them from the face of the earth because they were Jews, makes for good movies but not true.

                  If Hitler wanted all the Jews dead they would of all been killed no questions asked using the latest killing technology and not some stupid bug spray or whatever other silly method that demented people said was used. And they would of been killed where they lived and not sent traveling hundreds of miles to a specific location.

                  The Holohuxsters version of what happened would of taken up too much valuable time and energy of the Germans not to mention the waste of natural fuel sources, but again makes for good table talk and horror Disneyland movies.

                  Of course when the war was concluding the real murderers were the Allies, Britain and America primarily who went on a vicious killing spree bombing at least 150 German cities where innocent men, women, and children went to escape the war, and what did these innocent civilians get, they were bombed out of existence.
                  Or as some of us would say they were Holocosted, a real burning with fire from allied bombs.

                  This was the real Holocaust, the one against the innocent German people who were targeted because of pure German hate and instead of being put on trial for their horrible war crimes they committed they were praised and honored by world Jewry and the media while all the blame of the war shifted to Germany as being the bad guys.

                  This is where all the lies came in later to slander and defame the Germans for so called “atrocities” supposedly that happened in the camps as the Jews were stationed there working for the German cause, which were just atrocity lies dreamed up by the Jews after the war.

                  You must hand it to the Psch-op operations that set the stage for the several war crime trials that quickly ended the lives of many innocent German military and non military personal, for being the losers in the war.

                  They were executed quickly because they didn’t want anything truthful to come back later on that might unravel the official Jewish version of what they say happened. As they say, make sure you get rid of all the evidence, and believe me there would of been plenty of truthful evidence if these Germans were allowed to live.

                  And the hate is still continuing down until this day, the lies continue. The Jews are behaving just like the which trials judges in the 1690’s who trumped up false charges against who they accused of being witches which has since been replace with the terms anti-Semitic, hater or whatever term they use to keep their HoloHoax lies in front of the Jew run media and gullible people.

                  Then they use illegal laws to prosecute innocent law abiding people of crimes that make people fear the Jews today. Yes folks there will be a time when telling the truth about the HoloHoax scam will get you jail time….it’s already happening in over 20 countries and the Jews laugh all the way to the bank.

                  So if you really want to know who’s responsible for this lie just remember who you can’t criticize in the world today and you’ll get your answer.

                  Jim Rizoli

                  To learn more of the truth..
                  Consider…
                  Holocausthandbooks.com
                  CODOH.COM
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  IHR.ORG
                  VHO.ORG
                  RIZOLITV.COM
                  JRIZOLI.WORDPRESS.COM

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 10, 2017 @ 8:38 am

                • Time to read the truth….
                  https://jrizoli.wordpress.com/2017/11/10/the-luftl-report/

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 10, 2017 @ 9:50 am

                • EMIGRATION NOT EXTERMINATION.
                  Most people have heard of the Haavara Agreement 1933-1941, which was the agreement between the NS German state and the World Zionist organization, to facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. Few however have heard of the Rublee-Wohlthat Agreement 1939. This was Hitlers last attempt to arrange a general emigration plan to rid Germany of the 250,000 Jews still remaining. To this end and in agreement with the Evian Conference 1938, Rublee, an American lawyer and director of the International committee created to facilitate and fund Jewish emigration, negotiated with Hjalmar Schacht of the Reichsbank and Helmut Wohlthat, Hermann Gorings secretary of state. Hjalmar Schacht was sent to England in 1939 to arrange a loan which would enable this general emigration to any country willing to accept them. The bank of England governor, Montagu Norman was agreeable as were many British MPs, however this plan was torpedoed by Zionist leader Chiam Weitzmann who was a ‘Palestine or nothing Zionist’ All this while Jews were claiming that the Nazis were intent on killing every single Jew they could get their hands on. BTW, as part of the agreement many Jews were to be allowed to remain in Germany, this situation existed even after the agreement was ended:

                  Clause 13 of the agreement reads. A definite method has not as yet been found for caring for old persons and persons unfit for emigration, who are not included in this program and who will be allowed to finish their days in Germany. It is the intention on Germany’s part to assure that these persons and persons awaiting emigration may live tranquilly, unless some extraordinary circumstance should occur. There is no intention to segregate the Jews. They may circulate freely. Persons fit to work shall be given the opportunity of employment so as to earn their living; Jews employed in the same establishments as Aryans will, however, be separated from Aryan workers. Generally, in order to provide for adequate administration of the program, centralization of control over Jewish affairs is contemplated.

                  https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/deutsch/archiv/auswanderung/adj3r07.html

                  Comment by herebysayi — November 10, 2017 @ 10:22 am

                • Jim. Further to your comment about Jews living in Germany throughout the war:
                  A VERY ODD GENOCIDE.!…
                  In an article of Dec 1961, Vol. 120, No. 6. The National Geographic carried a story on WW2 Berlin. It stated that about 5,000 Jews were living openly in Hitlers Berlin when it was “liberated” by the Russians…. There were also Jewish schools in Paris and training camps in Germany-operating up to March 1942-for prospective Jewish emigrants to Palestine….

                  In the book ‘Refuge In Hell’ by Jewish author Daniel B Silver we learn that a Jewish hospital also functioned in Berlin throughout the war unmolested by those evil Nazis, many of the 800 Jews were found hiding in the hospital cellar when liberated. …

                  Interestingly, several thousand Jews of Berlin attended their synagogue throughout the war: Robert Faurisson, ‘The Victories of Revisionism’.. until the allies destroyed it in bombing raids.

                  A Council Of Elders Of Jews, operated in Hitlers birth place, Austria, (Vienna) during WW2 with responsibility for children’s schools, day care, community kitchens, bath house, home for the elderly, clothes and furniture depot, a welfare relief division, library and cemetery administration: ‘Annual report of the Director of the council of Elders of the Jews in Vienna’ 22 Ja, 1945, Raul Hilberg, ‘Documents of destruction: Germany and Jewry 1933-1945’ 1971 pp 125-130.

                  Not All Jews Were Interned. Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the “aid given to the Jewish section of the free population,” and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the “thoroughness” of the supposed “extermination programme”, and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing “every single Jew he could lay his hands on.”

                  Comment by herebysayi — November 10, 2017 @ 10:41 am

                • Another great site with the Luftl report…
                  Maybe our resident HoloHuxsters can refute this.
                  https://jan27.org/the-luftl-report-by-walter-luftl/

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — November 10, 2017 @ 11:25 am

          • You wrote: “if Sobibor was a transit camp, where were they transited to? You can’t have a transit camp if you don’t know where they went.”

            I have a whole section on my website about Sobibor:

            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Sobibor/Tour01.html

            Comment by furtherglory — November 9, 2017 @ 12:20 pm


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