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January 12, 2016

Operation Reinhardt or Operation Reinhard?

One of the regular readers of my blog [hermie] wrote the following in a comment:

Why would the Nazis have named that operation [Operation Reinhardt] after German Secretary of State for Finances Fritz Reinhardt if no seizure of money and other valuables had been intended in the first place? Would have been nonsensical.

Was this operation really called Operation Reinhardt or was it called Operation Reinhard?

On January 20, 1942 at Wannsee, a suburb of Berlin, a conference was held to plan “The Final Solution to the Jewish Question” for Europe’s 11 million Jews. SS General Reinhard Heydrich, who was the head of RSHA (Reich Security Main Office) as well as the Deputy of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (now the Czech Republic) led the conference. The protocols from the conference, as written by Adolf Eichmann, contained the expression “transportation to the East,” a euphemism that was used to mean the genocidal killing of all the Jews in Europe.

On May 27, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich was fatally wounded by two Czech resistance fighters who had parachuted into German-occupied Bohemia from Great Britain where they had been trained. Even before Heydrich died 8 days later, Odilo Globocnik began preparations for Aktion Reinhard, which was the plan to send Jews to their deaths at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor, according to Martin Gilbert’s book “The Holocaust.”

A fourth extermination camp had already opened at Chelmno in what is now western Poland, and the first Jews had been gassed in mobile vans on December 8, 1941, according to the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland.

There were no “selections” made at the three Operation Reinhard camps, nor at the Chelmno camp. All the Jews who were sent to these camps, with the exception of a few who escaped, were immediately killed in gas chambers, but there were no records kept of their deaths.

Treblinka and the other two Operation Reinhard camps, Sobibor and Belzec, were all located near the Bug river which formed the eastern border of German-occupied Poland. The Bug river is very shallow at Treblinka; it is what people from Missouri would call a “crick” or creek, compared to the Missouri and the Mississippi rivers. It is shallow enough to wade across in the Summer time, or to walk across when it is frozen in the Winter.

A bridge over the Bug river for trains and cars

My 1998 photo of a bridge over the Bug river for trains and cars

The territory on the other side of the Bug river was White Russia (Belarus) and the section of Poland that was given to the Soviet Union after the joint conquest of Poland by the Germans and the Soviet Union in September 1939.

This part of Poland had formerly been occupied by the Russians between 1772 and 1917; between 1835 and 1917, this area was included in the Pale of Settlement, a huge reservation where the Eastern European Jews had been forced to live.

The tiny village of Treblinka is located on the railroad line running from Ostrów Mazowiecki to Siedlce. A short distance from Treblinka, at Malkinia Junction, this line intersects the major railway line which runs from Warsaw, east to Bialystok. Trains can reverse directions at the Junction and return to Warsaw, or turn south towards Lublin, which was the headquarters for Operation Reinhard. A few Jews from Warsaw were sent to the Majdanek death camp in Lublin on trains that turned south at the Malkinia Junction.

When railroad lines were built in the 19th century, the width of the tracks was standardized in America and western Europe, but the tracks in Russia and eastern Poland were a different gauge.

Bialystok is the end of the line in Poland; this is as far east as trains can go without changing the wheels on the rail cars. Treblinka is located only a short distance west of Bialystok.

In June 1941, the German Army invaded the Soviet Union and “liberated” the area formerly known as the Pale of Settlement. By the time that the Aktion Reinhard camps were set up in 1942, German troops had advanced a thousand kilometers into Russia. Allegedly, the plan was to transport the Jews as far as the Bug river and kill them in gas chambers, then claim that they had been “transported to the East.”

In 1942, the Germans built a new railroad spur line from the Malkinia Junction into the Treblinka extermination camp. When a train, 60 cars long, arrived at the junction, the cars were uncoupled and 20 cars at a time were backed into the camp. Today, a stone sculpture shows the location of the train tracks that brought the Jews into the Treblinka death camp.

Monument at the spot where the train station once stood at Treblinka

Monument at the spot where the train station once stood at Treblinka

The first Jews to be deported to the Treblinka death camp were from the Warsaw ghetto; the first transport of 6,000 Jews arrived at Treblinka at about 9:30 on 23 July 1942. Between late July and September 1942, the Germans transported more than 300,000 Jews from the Warsaw ghetto to Treblinka, according to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Jews were also deported to Treblinka from Lublin and Bialystok, two major cities in eastern Poland, which were then in the General Government, as German-occupied Poland was called. Others were transported to Treblinka from the Theresienstadt ghetto in what is now the Czech Republic. Approximately 2,000 Gypsies were also sent to Treblinka and allegedly murdered in the gas chambers.

Trains continued to arrive regularly at Treblinka until May 1943, and a few more transports arrived after that date.

On October 19, 1943, Odilo Globocnik wrote to Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler: “I have completed Aktion Reinhard and have dissolved all the camps.”

In an article published on August 8, 1943, the New York Times referred to a headline in a London newspaper which read: “2,000,000 Murders by Nazis Charged. Polish Paper in London says Jews Are Exterminated in Treblinka Death House.” The subtitle read : “According to report, steam is used to kill men, women and children at a place in the woods.”

The London newspaper story was based upon an article published on August 7th in the magazine Polish Labor Fights, which contained information from a Polish report on November 15, 1942.

More news about the killing of the Jews at the Treblinka camp came from Vasily Grossman, a Jewish war correspondent who was traveling with the Soviet Red Army.

In November 1944, Grossman published an article entitled “The Hell of Treblinka,” which was later quoted at the trial of the major German war criminals at Nuremberg. Grossman had interviewed 40 survivors of the Treblinka uprising and he had talked to some of the local farmers. The camp had been completely razed to the ground; there was nothing left for Grossman to see, “only graves and death.” The Jews had all been killed, according to Grossman.

Proof that Treblinka was an extermination camp is contained in a 16-page secret document, that was submitted by Nazi statistician Dr. Richard Korherr to Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler on March 27, 1943. Reichsführer-SS Himmler was a five-star general and the leader of the SS; he was responsible for all the Nazi concentration camps, which were administered by the SS.

This report on “The Final Solution of the European Jewish Problem,” compiled at Himmler’s request, stated that of the 1,449,692 Jews deported from the Eastern provinces, 1,274,366 had been subjected to Sonderbehandlung at camps in the General Government.

On April 1, 1943, when Himmler had the report prepared for submission to Hitler, the words “Sonderbehandlung at Camps in the General Government” were changed to “Transport of Jews from the Eastern Provinces to the Russian East, Processed through the Camps in the General Government.”

The term Sonderbehandlung, sometimes abbreviated SB, was allegedly used by the Nazis to mean death in the gas chamber; the English translation is “special treatment.”

The terms “evacuation” and “transportation to the East” were allegedly Nazi code words for sending the Jews to death camps where they were murdered in the gas chambers. The words “resettled” and “liquidated,” when used to refer to the Jews, were also euphemisms which were allegedly used to mean “killed in the gas chambers”.

The term “die Endlösung der Judenfrage” was written by Hermann Goering in a letter to Reinhard Heydrich on July 31, 1941. Translated into English as “The Final Solution to the Jewish Question,” this is as a euphemism which was allegedly used by the Nazis to mean the genocide of the Jews in Europe.

However, at the Nuremberg IMT, Goering testified that the term meant the “Total solution to the Jewish question” which was a euphemism for the evacuation of the Jews to the East.

The Nazis referred to Treblinka as a Durchgangslager (transit camp).

Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler was responsible for completing, by March 1943, the resettlement of 629,000 ethnic Germans from the Baltic countries into the Polish territory that was incorporated into the Greater German Reich in October 1939. He was also responsible for deporting 365,000 Poles, from the part of Poland that was incorporated into the Greater German Reich, to occupied Poland, and for deporting 295,000 citizens from Luxembourg and the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine, which were also incorporated into the Greater German Reich. All this had been accomplished by Himmler by March 1943 when Dr. Korherr, who was Himmler’s chief statistician, made his report on what had happened to the Jews who were living in Eastern Poland.

In 2000, a document called the Höfle Telegram was discovered by Holocaust historians in the Public Records Office in Kew, England. This document consists of two intercepted encoded messages, both of which were sent from Lublin on January 11, 1943 by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle, and marked “state secret.”

One message was sent to Adolf Eichmann in the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) in Berlin and the other to SS-Oberststurmbannführer Franz Heim, deputy commander of the Security Police (SIPO) at the headquarters of German-occupied Poland in Krakow.

The encoded messages gave the number of arrivals at the Operation Reinhard camps during the previous two weeks and the following totals for Jews sent to the Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Lublin (Majdanek) camps in 1942:

Treblinka, 71,355 [713,555]; Belzec, 434,500; Sobibor, 101,370; and Majdanek, 24,733.

The number for Treblinka, 71,355, was a typographical error; the correct number is 713,555, based on the total given. The total “arrivals” for the four camps matches the total of 1,274,166 “evacuated” Jews in the Korherr Report.

Besides the freight trains that carried the Jews in box cars to Treblinka, there were also passenger trains with 3,000 people on board each train, as well as trucks and horse-drawn wagons that brought the victims to Treblinka.

58 Comments »

  1. Operation “Reinhardt”. That’s right. It was named after Fritz Reinhardt.
    It has nothing to do with “holocaust”.

    Comment by Gasan — January 12, 2016 @ 9:47 pm

  2. There was an excellent and lengthy discussion about name Action Reinhard[t] on AHF back in 2004. Although I’m yet to be totally convinced, user Michael Mills still won out the discussion in my opinion, with his argument that Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt and than it encompassed far more than just killing Jews in B,S & T.
    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=64215

    Crucial was this October 22, 1942, German message from SS-WVHA to Auschwitz that was intercepted and decoded at Bletchley Park, it’s about Acktion “REINHARDT”, Auschwitz delivering items such as watches and pens to Berlin, and the planned construction of a repair-shop for these items at Auschwitz.

    This confirms what Rudolf Hoess said in his Nov 1946 statement in Krakov, and later repeated in his memoirs, i.e that the processing of confiscated property at Auschwitz was part of Action Reinhardt.

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — January 12, 2016 @ 6:43 pm

    • Mill’s argument is certainly convincing.
      For those who didn’t read it Mills advances the theory that Reinhardt denotes all property taken from the Jews, both alive and exterminated.
      Mills renames the camps “Wirth Camps” after Christian Wirth to differentiate purely economic plunder from the death camps themselves.
      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 8:51 pm

  3. The correct name is indeed “Reinhardt” and not named for Heydrich. The original documents I have seen all spell it with the “t”.

    Comment by Schlageter — January 12, 2016 @ 5:15 pm

  4. Globocnik spelt it as “Aktion Reinhardt” in the documents which were later given the Nuremberg trial codes NO-059, PS-4024, but as “Aktion Reinhard” in NO-060. Himmler spelt it as “Aktion Reinhardt” in NO-058.

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — January 12, 2016 @ 4:39 pm

  5. I wonder if any of your keen eyed readers have noticed the remarkable physical similarity between the German chief bureaucrat of the Holocaust Adolf Eichmann and the present Justice Minister in Angela Merkel’s government Heiko Maas. Interestingly both in their ways have served foreign interests , one by testifying to the veracity of the Holocaust with his observations of geysers spouting with blood, the other by promoting the replacement of the German people with Africans and Arabs.
    http://heckticker.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/wenn-der-sohne-mit-dem-vater.html

    Comment by peter — January 12, 2016 @ 4:21 pm

    • Adolf Eichmann was executed June 1st 1962, how can he possibly be the father of Heike Maas who was born 1966?

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — January 13, 2016 @ 5:52 am

      • The translation of the German text reads:
        For many years, the identity of the father of Heiko Maas had been kept secret. Now historians have confirmed the identity of Adolf Eichmann as the father of Heiko Maas from forensic analysis.

        Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — January 13, 2016 @ 6:06 am

        • You do realise that is irony Mr Stolpman ?? don’t you ….?

          Comment by peter — January 13, 2016 @ 12:27 pm

          • No, I don’t see it that way, the article written is not journalism, to some extent it is rather stupid to have it published, by the same token I am aware that in the land of Judea people did rise after three days, so in the name of Yahweh anything is possible and Eichmann is still around.

            Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — January 13, 2016 @ 6:49 pm

  6. Oh, so the River Bug “is shallow enough to wade across in summer time, and walk across when it is frozen.”

    So at least one mystery of the holocaust has now been solved, because Adolf Eichmann told the court at his trial in Jerusalem that they were using the diesel engine from a captured Russian submarine to gas all the victims at Treblinka. I imagined that the sub. had come all the up the River Vistula and then the Bug. But its now clear that this was not the case, and so we can only suppose that the engine was brought by road all the way from Danzig or somewhere. (That’s of course, if you believe anything that came out of the totally faked Eichmann Trial.)

    Comment by Talbot — January 12, 2016 @ 12:40 pm

  7. The Nazis did NOT use “transportation to the East” as code for genocidal killing. They used it to mean what it said, must as they did in other matters.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — January 12, 2016 @ 11:03 am

    • I agree with you. Read what I wrote again:

      Begin quote:

      On April 1, 1943, when Himmler had the report prepared for submission to Hitler, the words “Sonderbehandlung at Camps in the General Government” were changed to “Transport of Jews from the Eastern Provinces to the Russian East, Processed through the Camps in the General Government.”
      End qoute

      Comment by furtherglory — January 12, 2016 @ 11:47 am

      • Well FG, no one would ever know that you agree with what Jett Rucker said by reading this unnecessarily long post. You include so much of the exterminationist storyline that one comes away feeling you have vindicated it. For instance, you wrote this:

        “Even before Heydrich died 8 days later, Odilo Globocnik began preparations for Aktion Reinhard, which was the plan to send Jews to their deaths at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor, according to Martin Gilbert’s book “The Holocaust.” A fourth extermination camp had already opened at Chelmno in what is now western Poland, and the first Jews had been gassed in mobile vans on December 8, 1941, according to the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland.”

        And on it goes in the same vein, copying the exterminationist story in full. Then, somewhere lost in all the verbiage you insert the line you quoted in your comment, which is extremely weak and most people would have no idea what it means. So what is the purpose of this post other than you trying to show off how much you know about the OFFICIAL HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE. You don’t answer the question of Reinhard or Reinhardt at all. People cannot read you mind.

        Why else would folks like Wolf Murmelstein and Jeff K. like your blog so much if you didn’t help their cause?

        Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 12, 2016 @ 12:24 pm

        • Well, 4 out of 5 Jewish dentists recommend this blog to their patients who follow blogs.
          Just out of curiosity, still think I’m a Jew?
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 1:07 pm

        • Relax, Carolyn,
          We will be using the idiots like Wolf Murmelstein and Jeff K. to prove our point. Let them make fools out of themselves and their ridiculous story of “holocaust”.
          The more, the merrier.

          Comment by Gasan — January 17, 2016 @ 9:42 pm

      • FURTHERGLORY, TALBOT, The terms SPECIAL TREATMENT and TRANSPORT TO THE EAST meant exactly the same: The EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS. The Nazis changed the term only in order to fool the Red Cross and some “satellite” governments like the Slovakian, the Hungarian, the Vichy France, the Greek, the Fascist Italian and so which questioned about the final destination of the deported Jews.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 13, 2016 @ 12:29 am

        • Wolf wrote: “The terms SPECIAL TREATMENT and TRANSPORT TO THE EAST meant exactly the same: The EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS. ”

          Feel free to demonstrate it rather than just assert it emphatically for the thousandth time…

          Comment by hermie — January 14, 2016 @ 4:20 am

  8. I’ve always thought it was Reinhard, however, it isn’t out of the realm of possibility it was Reinhardt.
    It doesn’t change what they are, Death Camps, so the name is not really important to me.
    Jeff

    Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 11:03 am

    • Got your mind made up about the important stuff, eh, Jeff?

      Spelling, shmelling.

      Comment by Jett Rucker — January 12, 2016 @ 11:04 am

      • WEll, I DO appreciate the fact that YOU DIdn’T randomly CAPITALIZE words in youR REply TO me.
        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

        • This might be news to you, and I truly, sincerely mean this in a nice way, but no one gives a shit what you think jeff k

          Comment by Schlageter — January 13, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

    • You missed the whole point of my blog post: Treblinka was a TRANSIT camp, not a death camp. I have been to Treblinka. The whole place screams TRANSIT CAMP. There is no evidence of gassing.

      You believe that, if Jews are transported to some place and never seen again, this means that they were killed. No, it means that they were transported to some other location.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 12, 2016 @ 11:53 am

      • FURTHERGLORY. There had no other place after the Lublin area Death Camps. By the way, I feel that just from October 1939 on that area had been considered for the “Endloesung” = Final Solution. On the Web side of Your site there is my article about the Nisko affair. So You as all the Dear Commentators here will find quite strange that the farce of an Attorney General Gideon Hausmer did not call Benjamin Murmelstein to give evidence at the Eichmann trial and so the Court had to state that it had not been clear whether Eichmann delivered or not the speech closed with the words “Otherwise it would mean to dye” – Sonst heisst es eben sterben. You quoted the Hoffle telegram adressed to Eichmann and I find this really noteworthy when evaluating for history the role of Eichmann. Here too, a carefull study of events and background is realy necessary.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 12, 2016 @ 12:30 pm

        • Edit. I meant THERE HAD NOT BEEN OTHER PLACE AFTER THE LUBLIN AREA … Kindly consider how emotionally involved I am in this subject.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 12, 2016 @ 12:34 pm

      • Where, exactly, were they transported to?

        There was a war going on. In 1941-1942 the Germans attacked the Soviets, driving them back at Leningrad, almost to the suburbs of Moscow, driving the Soviets out of the Ukraine and the Southern reaches of the Soviet Union, to Stalingrad and the tip of the Baku Oil Fields.
        The situation reversed itself in November of 1942-45, starting with the encirclement of the 6th Army. Now the German army desperately tried to contain the Soviet counterattack. This see-saw battle devastated the Soviet Union. In addition to this, there was a savage partisan war going on. Food was scarce because the Germans were snatching any available food sources they could find to feed their armies and the Germans back home.
        Where do the Jews fit into all of this?
        We are talking about millions of them that have to be fed and looked after. This very large number includes women, children and the elderly.
        Plus, to the Nazis Jews were dangerous, forming partisan bands and spreading disease. Would they really want them behind the battle lines?
        Are you asking me to believe that these Jews were somehow shipped through the various fronts into the Soviet Union? Stalin refused to take them before the war. Resources in the Soviet Union were strained to the breaking point, there is no way the Soviets would allow this.
        So, where did the Jews wind up? I can’t believe the Germans sent them merrily careening about the countryside on some type of extended road trip, the Germans needed those trains. Even Himmler needed to pull some serious strings to get the needed trains for his “transports.”
        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

        • Jeff wrote: “So, where did the Jews wind up?”

          Exactly where there are today, i.e. in Palestine, America, Britain, Australia, etc. with the DP camps in the American area of occupied Germany used as transit stations. The liquidation and transfer of Eastern Jewry had been on the agenda of the Zionists for decades. Hardly a surprise that the victorious Soviet-Allies didn’t advertise much something contradicting their own wartime atrocity propaganda and founding myth (supposed to justify their postwar division of the world). And the lynching of Lt-General Frederick Morgan of the UNRRA for having publicly talked about a ‘Second Exodus’ of epic proportions didn’t help others to break silence.

          Comment by hermie — January 13, 2016 @ 1:39 am

          • You said liquidation and transfer….
            Are you saying the Zionists wanted to liquidate the Eastern Europe Jews and transfer the remnants?
            I learned some interesting facts reading Black Earth by Timothy Snyder, Hermie.
            There were connections between the pre-war Polish Government and groups of Zionists to create a Jewish state in Palestine. The Poles actually trained and armed the Irgun.
            Why?
            The Poles wanted their Jews to emigrate and thought the best way to do it was for the Jews to have their own homeland. At first they considered Madagascar but when this was not a viable solution they turned to Palestine.
            The British refused to allow this because they did not want to offend the Muslim population (British foreign policy historically favored the Muslims).
            So, while Britain and Poland were technically allies the Poles armed groups of Zionists that fought a guerrilla war with the British.
            Interesting, eh?
            I’m sure you’ll have a fascinating spin on this.
            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — January 13, 2016 @ 6:23 am

            • JEFF. The Polish Nationalists – clericals – did not want the Jews settle in Palestine – HOLLY LAND – because of Church oblections. They in 1937 submitted the French Government a plan to send about 1.000.000 Jews from Poland to Madagascar, far away from Palestine. In the same year Rommel “as a tourist” visited Lybbia and Eichmann contacted the Arab Nationalists who opposed the Jewish settlement in Palestine.
              Our friend Herrmie needs a good lesson of Holocaust History delivered by former SS men punished with the task to tell negationists how things really occured and what the true Nazi doctrine on Jews had actually been.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 13, 2016 @ 8:08 am

              • I admire Timothy Snyder as a historian, Wolf. The book “Black Earth” was a little hard to get into but it had new information that I didn’t know about, for example the links between the Polish Government and various Zionist groups.
                I knew about the Madagascar Plan previously. From what I understand it was not a viable solution because Madagascar itself could not support a large population.
                As far as the Polish/Zionist links, it was something I didn’t know about.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — January 13, 2016 @ 9:43 am

            • Jeff wrote: “You said liquidation and transfer….Are you saying the Zionists wanted to liquidate the Eastern Europe Jews and transfer the remnants?”

              I meant the Zionists wanted to transfer the entire Jewish communities in Eastern Europe (to the last Jew living there) to Palestine. That’s what I meant when I said the Zionists wanted to liquidate Eastern Jewry. No sinister meaning intended. In 1936, Revisionist-Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky formulated his “evacuation plan” for the transfer of all the Jews in Poland, Romania and Hungary to Palestine within the following 10 years. Two years later, as his plan had been rejected by the British govenment (administering Palestine) and too few Jews were moving to Palestine in his opinion, Jabotinsky tried to fear Polish Jewry with a “volcano which will soon begin to spurt out the fire of destruction” and told Polish Jews that “the catastrophe (‘shoah’ in Hebrew) is coming” but “those who will suceed to escape from the catastrophe will merit a moment of great Jewish joy – the rebirth and rise of a Jewish state.” A few years later, his heir Hillel Kook (aka Peter H. Bergson) was one of the main publicist selling the catastrophe lie to the American public opinion through numerous paper organizations (like the “Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish people of Europe”), dramatic plays (like “We will never die!”) and advertisings in US newspapers.

              I already knew that the Madagascar Plan was a Polish idea. This is no surprise. Providing the anti-Semites with a practicable solution to their Jewish problem was part of Herzl’s original plan. Herzl was very critized for dealing with notorious anti-Semites such the Russian Minister von Plehve. The talkings with Plehve brought almost no benefits to Zionism but rather sent many potential Zionists in Russia to the Communist ranks. The Zionists often dealt with leaders wanting to get rid of their Jews. The Ha’avara agreement was nothing new.

              Comment by hermie — January 13, 2016 @ 8:58 am

    • JEFF. So Reinhard as Reinhardt. Indeed the Nazis after having murdered the Jews looked for the last belongings of victims.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 12, 2016 @ 12:18 pm

      • Sadly, the Reinhard Camps proved extremely profitable. The camps paid for themselves in the belongings of dead Jews many times over, leaving a profit for the Nazi state.
        It was the most successful “business” venture the SS had.
        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 1:11 pm

        • The fact that all the belongings were taken from the Jews at Treblinka does not prove that they were killed. I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/abraham-bomba-one-of-the-barbers-at-treblinka/

          Comment by furtherglory — January 12, 2016 @ 1:44 pm

          • So, if they didn’t kill the Jews but took what belonged to them, isn’t that plain old theft?
            So, the SS that ran the camps were nothing more than bandits, pillaging the Jews as they transited through.
            I thought Germans were nobler than that.
            Anyway, it makes more sense that the camps were death camps. There was no place to send them, other than the camp system itself. There were a lot of camps but not enough to make all of those Jews disappear in them.
            The idea that the SS transported them into the East simply does not make sense.
            If the invasion had gone as planned then yes, I could see how the Germans could have dumped the Jews in the East but it didn’t.
            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

            • Well Jeff – Israeli Jews are not shy of indulging in “plain old theft” themselves. They are quite prepared to steal the land of the Palestinians in the West Bank. And I don’t want to mention Robert Maxwell and Bernie Madoff – woops!, I just did.

              Comment by Talbot — January 12, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

              • Oh no, old rich white guys behaving badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                That stung, Talbot. I feel the denier sickness infecting me, your words have a devastating effect!!!!!!
                Please.
                So, the fact that Isreali Jews are in a land grab, that excuses the Germans robbing Jews 70 years ago?
                You’re a Brit, Talbot. Your previous empire wasn’t built by polite old English gentlemen asking pretty please while they passed tea around to the natives. Your nation was involved in many a land grab.
                Now, don’t think I’m going to duck out of the blame game. We built the United States on the backs of slaves and Native Americans.
                We all have skeletons in our closets.
                That still doesn’t excuse the Germans for what they did to the Jews and others 70 years ago.
                If they had pillaged the Jews and left them alive, that was one thing.
                But instead they murdered them.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

              • The villagers knew exactly what was going on, Talbot.
                Villagers talked about the ungodly stench coming from the area of the camps. They also talked about trainloads of Jews going in…and no one coming out. The villagers talked about trainloads of goods coming out. They also confirmed masses of smoke coming from the area.
                Because of what the villagers said the Polish Underground came and investigated. This is how the West learned about the camps.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 8:10 pm

                • How do we know that the “ungodly stench” and the smoke was the result of burning bodies, Jeff? It could have been due to the periodic incineration of waste products, disused clothing, blankets, bags, suitcases, shoes etc. We must remember that up to 10,000 Jews were transiting through these camps each week during their peak operation. There would be a huge amount of stuff to dispose of, and burning it all would be the easiest thing to achieve this.

                  Of course the villagers didn’t know what was going on – they only surmised that terrible things were happening there, and only after the Soviets arrived and the new Polish regime published out the “death camp” narrative, did they become satisfied in their own minds that “exterminations” had taken place. Let’s face it, in post-war communist Poland, it didn’t do you much good if you questioned the wartime narrative that you were given by the in authorities. And that’s why the villagers didn’t mention the departure of trains full of Jews heading off into the occupied Soviet Union – they didn’t want the secret communist police arriving at dawn to cart them off to prison for “anti-State activities”.

                  And as for the integrity, impartiality, honesty and nobility of the Polish Underground – Oh please!

                  Comment by Talbot — January 12, 2016 @ 8:52 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “The villagers knew exactly what was going on, Talbot.”

                  Around 100 villagers also testified that the Germans had perpetrated the Katyn massacre, that only in the ‘report’ provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg (so not counting all the villagers who said the same thing earlier and later). For your own sake, you’d better drop testimonial ‘evidence’.

                  As far as alleged stinky mass graves and smoky cremation pyres are concerned, do you have anything other than ex post facto testimonies? As it is completely unbelievable that giant barbecues of rotting flesh could go unnmoticed and unreported when allegedly taking place, one should be able to find 1943 newspapers dealing with such a Dantesque hell. Now many newspaper archives are online, anybody should be able to find wartime newspapers reporting huge clouds of smoke from the Reinhardt camps. I’ve looked for such press reports, but I’ve found nothing. I’ve found all kinds of smoke (even smoke from clothes burnt by Poles when requested by the Germans for their troops on the Eastern front) but no smoke from impressive giant putrid Nazi barbecues. Can you help me, Jeff? Can you bring just one contemporary report of such an unconcealable scary event? There’s no smoke without fire, as everybody knows. Until you or anybody else provides me with a reliable contemporary report of that smoke, I’ll continue to think that those fires never existed. And don’t waste your time posting the well-known photo of smoke that could have been taken anywhere. Useless.

                  Comment by hermie — January 13, 2016 @ 6:01 am

                • Talbot wrote: “How do we know that the “ungodly stench” and the smoke was the result of burning bodies, Jeff?”

                  I’d rather say: “How do we know that the “ungodly stench” and the smoke from the AR camps existed in the first place?”

                  And the answer is the same one as always with the ‘Holocaust’: from testimonies, and most of time even ex de facto testimonies. Testimonies are magic. They can turn bigfoots, alien abductions and Marian apparitions into real things. They can turn the Germans into perpetrators of the Katyn massacre. They can create German big homicidal gas chambers in the previous world war (WW1). They can turn human corpses into soap, grease and fertilizer in both world wars. They can provide Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction and “gas chambers for all Jews”. Etc. Etc.

                  Comment by hermie — January 14, 2016 @ 4:59 am

              • Paraphrasing you Talbot, you said that 10,000 Jews a week were transferred through the camp.
                That doesn’t make any sense. Why send 10,000 people through one transit area? Surely there were other hubs to take these unfortunate people through. Unless you are saying that this was split between all three camps?
                I think the villagers knew the difference between rotting bodies and rubbish burning. Anyone who has been around something dead and decaying (I’m not talking about human bodies, we have a breezeway and animals get trapped and die in there. The
                only way you know
                something is trapped
                is after it dies) knows the difference.
                As far as the Polish Underground is concerned, sure, their objectivity is somewhat questionable. But, it was their job to report things to the exiles government. They got somethings wrong (for example reporting rumors that turned to not be true) but on the whole they were right.
                The rest is just speculation on your part. My answer to that is the stories stayed basically the same from what the villagers told the Communsts and the Polish Underground.

                Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 9:14 pm

                • Jeff. If we accept the official figures for the numbers of Jews arriving by train at these three camps, then there must have been up to 10,000 per week at each place. Treblinka is claimed to have received up to 850,000 deportees; Sobibor – 200,000 plus; and Belzec – 434,000.

                  Belzec – in particular – was only open for about five months, so we are talking about very large numbers here.

                  Comment by Talbot — January 12, 2016 @ 9:43 pm

              • TALBOT. Keep in mind the Sionism arose from XIX siecle antisemitism. Herzl reported about the Dreyfuss trial and so he realized the need for a Jewish State modelled on then Germany. The same hypocrits who now show their tears on the fate of the Palestinians are going on in spraying antisemitism inducing more and more Jews to emigrate exactly to Israel.

                Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 13, 2016 @ 12:36 am

                • @Wolf Murmelstein. The people who show concern for the Palestinians are not hypocrites at all. Even if one supports a Jewish State called Israel, that doesn’t mean that Israeli Jews can just barge into the West Bank and steal other peoples lands, and force those people out, making their lives miserable, fearful and destitute – that is an international outrage of which everyone should condemn. The creation of the huge Ghetto called Gaza is also totally unacceptable. The people who eke out an existence there near our support as a matter of some urgency, and the decision by the absurd, cowardly warmonger – Benjamin Netanyahu – to deliberately destroy up to 40% of the infrastructure is quite unforgiveable.

                  And for goodness sake, don’t keep worrying about “anti-Semitism”. We are all taking this new pharmaceutical medication that has appeared on the market called ANTISEMITOX – which cures all known phobias, and makes everyone love the Jews very much indeed!

                  Comment by Talbot — January 13, 2016 @ 9:55 am

                • @ Talbot. You can understand Israel’s behavior only if you think about people squatting in your house. Under such circumstances, there is nothing you wouldn’t do to recover your property. Whatever you do, you would feel you’re within your rights. The biblical Jewish ownership of Palestine is maybe a joke for us, but it’s very serious for Zionists and Jews in general.

                  Comment by hermie — January 13, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

              • Oh, Talbot. Don’t take what I said about tea the wrong way.
                I actually don’t drink coffee very much, for caffeine I prefer iced tea. I don’t drink soda anymore.
                But, I do like hot tea in the evenings while I am winding down.
                I wanted to say this so to clear up any misconceptions regarding the way I portrayed tea.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — January 13, 2016 @ 10:06 am

                • Both coffee and tea are good for one’s health. I start the day with 20 ounces of coffee and then follow up a couple of hours later with Earl Gray tea.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 13, 2016 @ 10:17 am

                • Sorry to tell you that theine and caffeine are different names for the very same molecule, Jeff. One could call theine tea’s caffeine.

                  Comment by hermie — January 14, 2016 @ 5:15 am

                • Oops. I’ve just you’re already aware of that.

                  Comment by hermie — January 14, 2016 @ 5:16 am

            • Many German cities were bombed during World War II. The residents, who survived, had lost everything. The clothing that was taken from the Jews was given to them, after it was deloused.

              Comment by furtherglory — January 12, 2016 @ 2:41 pm

              • They didn’t like Jews but didn’t mind their clothing.
                Well, it is practical.
                Of course you then toss in money, jewelry, dental gold and any other valuables the Jews had.
                I doubt any of that went to the German people.
                Not to mention anything silk, that went straight to the government.
                The guards and their auxiliaries also dipped their hands in the pot. The nearby villages profited greatly from these transactions, so much so that the locals dug up the ground, looking for “Jew gold” after the Germans abandoned the site.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • Jeff – you say;- “The nearby villages profited from these transactions, so much so that the locals dug up the ground, looking for “Jew Gold” after the Germans abandoned the site”. But do you not see that this sentence confirms what we have been saying about Treblinka – that it was a transit camp.

                  Would the Germans have established a highly secretive extermination centre close to “nearby villages”? And would these Polish villagers not be fearful for their own lives if they suspected, or knew, that hundreds of thousands of people were being murdered there? Would they really have knowingly and willingly profited from “transactions” connected to such a diabolical place of mass killing?

                  But the clincher is in your claim that local people were free to scavenge around the area and dig up the ground looking for Jew Gold after the Germans had abandoned the site. But would the SS have permitted this to take place? Surely they would have secured the site by a formidable security fence and armed guards. The last thing they would want, is that any remaining incriminating evidence might be found to expose the genocide.

                  So the fact that the Germans did not do this, but allowed scavengers free reign, is proof that nothing terrible happened there.

                  Comment by Talbot — January 12, 2016 @ 6:45 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “The nearby villages profited greatly from these transactions, so much so that the locals dug up the ground, looking for “Jew gold” after the Germans abandoned the site.”

                  That contradicts the orthodox narrative. Had local villagers witnessed months of systematic plunder and months of thorough obliteration with giant pyres, they should have known that there was no more gold to find there and that digging at that location was useless as far as any gold quest was concerned. But they acted as if they thought numerous weathy Jews were still buried there with their pockets full of money, gold and jewelry what was 100% inconsistent with they had allegedly seen, heard and smelt during the previous years.

                  Comment by hermie — January 14, 2016 @ 4:38 am

          • I read your post on the barber.
            The idea that Smith considers the barber a collaborator is ludicrous. The choice was a basic one:
            “Do what we tell you or you will wind up with your friends and family.”
            All humans want to live, that is a basic human instinct. It takes an extraordinary person to choose death, that is courage that is unknown to most.
            One of the testimonies I read regarding the ARC is powerful. One of the Jews in a transport concealed a knife and when he got a chance he stabbed an SS guard, mortally wounding him.
            Naturally the Jew died quickly and the reprisal was horrible, but I always felt the man was very brave. He knew he was going to die but he still managed to take revenge on his tormentors.
            In other testimonies from survivors is the hurt they felt, dealing with death on a daily basis. Many of them couldn’t take it and either attempted or committed suicide. In the others the will to live was too strong, even with the knowledge they would also die.
            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — January 12, 2016 @ 2:17 pm

            • Abraham Bomba is a prime example of the absurdity of the holocaust myth. He claimed that he cut all the women’s hair inside the gas chamber itself. But other witnesses say, no, there was a small barracks at the end of what they called “The Road to Heaven” – or “himmelfartstrasse” where the female hair was shaved off by clippers (where-as Bomba says that he used scissors, because the SS told the team of barbers to convince the women they were going to get a nice haircut !! ) But unfortunately, the confusion doesn’t end there, because other testimonies claim that the head shaving business took place on the dead corpses after the gassings had taken place. At Treblinka this occurred outdoors, just outside the chambers themselves; while at Auschwitz it is still – over 70 years later – unclear where it took place.

              It is interesting to note that there are no accounts of male hair being cut or shaved. But isn’t this rather strange? Most of the photos that I’ve seen, show adult male Jews having thick beards and long hair tied in pigtails. Now why would the Nazis neglect all this available hair if it was so important to collect it for stuffing mattresses, weaving fishing nets, and making bedroom slippers for U-Boat commanders etc, etc.

              But of course, all this muddled testimony is what you get when something isn’t true. Everyone makes up their own story of what happened, and thus the accounts are never going to tally. For us to try and make sense of it all is a complete waste of time.

              Comment by Talbot — January 12, 2016 @ 3:03 pm

              • I’m going to answer the 10,000 Jews a week down here, Talbot.
                I’m not going to quibble over numbers, I think what you stated about 10,000 Jews is probably pretty accurate, that this is the number “processed” through.
                It just seems like a lot. If these were mere “Transit Camps,” why so many? Surely the efficient Germans would have figured out what a strain that placed on the camps, with such overcrowding you get the risk of disease not to mention the difficulty of feeding those prisoners going through.
                Poland was known for its railway system. Wouldn’t there exist other hubs going Eastward? Better ways of handling that amount of Jews going East?
                The Germans also wiped the camps out. Granted, in two of the camps the prisoners revolted but there was no revolt at Belzec.
                The Germans destroyed the camps and more importantly, attempted to destroy any records of the camps. Why bother with “Transit Camps?” There is nothing mysterious or suspicious about transit camps. The Germans did destroy some of the labor camps and concentration camps as the Red Army moved through Poland but this consisted of driving out or killing the prisoners and setting the structures on fire.
                This also goes for Chelmno and Birkenau. Why destroy an abandoned manor house (Chelmno) and dynamite ordinary crematorium in Birkenau? There were much more valuable targets in Auschwitz, for example the industrial plant at Monowitz.
                So no, transit camps make no sense.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — January 13, 2016 @ 6:44 am

                • You wrote:
                  “Poland was known for its railway system. Wouldn’t there exist other hubs going Eastward? Better ways of handling that amount of Jews going East?”

                  The opposite was true. Germany was known for its railroad system, not Poland.

                  When I made my first trip to Poland in 1998, I went through a tour company in New York City, because there were no tour companies in Poland. The tour company provided a Polish guide, who spoke English, to help me when I got on and off trains. There were no railroad hubs in Poland — not like the famous railroad hub in Frankfurt.

                  When I toured Germany, also in 1998, I did not need help with the trains. In Germany, I could set my watch by the arrival of the trains.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 13, 2016 @ 7:07 am


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