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May 22, 2015

“how Europe killed itself, committed suicide.” is the theme of a new film by Laslo Nemes

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, movies — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 10:10 am
Laslo Nemes (photo credit Getty Images)

Laslo Nemes (photo credit Getty Images)

The title of my blog post is a quote from a news article which you can read in full here.

Today, I am writing about a new film, made by Laslo Nemes, that is entitled Son of Saul. The film is about the Holocaust, but you would never know it from this title.

Unfortunately, I think that most Americans will be immediately reminded of the TV series entitled Better Call Saul.

The movie Son of Saul is about the Sonderkommando Jews, who helped the Nazis in the death camps by removing the bodies from the gas chambers and putting them into the cremation ovens.

I recently blogged about one of the Sonderkommando Jews on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/sonderkommando/

This quote is from the news article about the movie Son of Saul:

“… the film, which has been picked up for distribution by Sony Pictures Classics, has started a debate about whether the Sonderkommando were victims or perpetrators, and what it means to focus on one man’s life.

According to the news article: At a news conference here last week, Mr. Rohrig, a Hungarian poet who lives in New York, tapped into a longstanding debate about whether the Sonderkommando were victims or perpetrators. “They were 100 percent victims,” he said. “They had no control of their destinies.”

This quote is also from the news article:

In an interview here on Tuesday, Mr. Nemes, 38, said he welcomed the debate and intended the film to start a conversation. “Since the end of the Second World War I’ve seen very clearly that many people more or less consider the Holocaust as a mythical story and approached it probably from a defensive mechanism, as a way to get away from it through survival stories,” he said.

The following quote is also from the news article.

He continued, “I don’t think Auschwitz and the extermination of the European Jews was about survival. It was about death. And how Europe killed itself, committed suicide.” Mr. Nemes said he had always been frustrated by a more conventional approach to the Holocaust — one best exemplified by Steven Spielberg’s “Schindler’s List,” that focuses on the victims. In “Son of Saul,” Mr. Nemes said he wanted to “reduce the distance” between the viewer and Saul to show the character’s moral complexity.

18 Comments »

  1. Good to know that the liquidation of Germany as a last step to the Jewish hegemony over Europe and America had already been planned by Zionists decades before WW1 and WW2. In the 1860’s, Moses (Moshe) Hess, one of the founders of Labor Zionism and a friend & collaborator of Karl Marx, wrote:

    “The race struggle is the primal one, and the class struggle secondary. The last dominating race is the German. […] Yet it seems that a final race struggle is unavoidable” – Moses Hess, Rome and Jerusalem: The Last National Question, 1861.

    When Theodor Herzl, the founder of political Zionism, first read the book “Rome and Jerusalem”, he wrote about Hess that “since Spinoza Jewry had no bigger thinker than this forgotten Moses Hess” and that he would not have written his book “Der Judenstaat” (The Jewish State) if he had known “Rome and Jerusalem” beforehand. Revisionist Zionist leader Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky honored Hess in “The Jewish Legion in World War” as one of those people that made the Balfour declaration possible, together with Herzl, Rothschild and Pinsker.

    Perhaps no one better personifies the axis of leftist thought, Jewish exceptionalism, and a vision of authoritarian imposition of Jewish messianicism than Moses Hess , an early Jewish socialist who was a 19th Century precursor to the Jewish Bolsheviks. Hess was a compatriot of, and tremendous influence upon, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Obsessed with “the race struggle” between ethnic nations for predomination, Hess became a Jewish nationalist socialist bent on the eradication of the “German race” and the imposition of Jewish supremacism.

    Comment by hermie — May 25, 2015 @ 7:25 am

  2. Europe did commit suicide when some people had the weird idea of getting the Talmudic Beasts out of their natural habitat, i.e. the ghetto. That paved the way for the present hegemonic position of the anti-White Khazarian devils over Europe and America. The emancipation of the Jews was a great idea after all. Congratulations, guys…😉

    Comment by hermie — May 22, 2015 @ 9:07 pm

    • Herr Hermie! You are only a racist antisemite. So any discussion about Your absurd statements – here and referring to other articles – is impossible.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — May 23, 2015 @ 1:08 am

      • “Herr Hermie! You are only a racist antisemite”

        And proud to be…😉

        “So any discussion about Your absurd statements is impossible.”

        Nice fallacy, Wolfie. Would you say that any historian with pro-Zionist views or Jewish roots must be put aside in Holocaust talkings because of his pro-Israël or pro-Jewish bias? Of course, you wouldn’t. Arguments are arguments, whoever the person formulating them. Everybody has his own biases. There are only good (logical, based on hard facts) and bad (senseless, fallacious, based on no hard facts, based on blind faith) arguments, not good (politically correct) and bad (politically incorrect) debaters. At least, that should be that way. Your fallacious reasoning amounts to not listening to somebody labelled as an heretic, whatever the quality of his arguments. That is like a witchcraft ‘trial’ of the past. You’re an obscurantist, Wolfie.

        Comment by hermie — May 23, 2015 @ 4:45 am

      • Racist,antisemite. Isn’t that a bit redundant? Racist and antisemite are both the same. Oops. I forgot . Unlike blacks,orientalist or Hispanics,Jews are special. So when people make racist about them,they have to use a special word

        Comment by Tim — May 24, 2015 @ 10:05 am

        • Herr Hernie! Herr Tin! 1. You should know the difference between religious amtisemitism of the Churches and racist anisemitism of the Nazis. 2. Who is proud to be a racist amtisemite should not even discuss with a Jew about the history of the Shoah.3. Expressions liike TALMUDIC BEASTS and similar ones had been used in the nazi speeches. I took note that any discuss with Yourselves is impossible.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — May 24, 2015 @ 12:34 pm

          • Look here sugar britches. My name is speed “tim” not “TIN”. Nazi antisemitisim and non secular antisemitisim . WTF! I was born and raised southern baptist. Don’t drag that antisemitisim into the my church . The only thing we label ourselves with,is Christian. Our church runs on the passage that says “beloved. If God so loved us,then we ought love one another”. John 4:11. why the hell does anyone feel the need to seperate the races. Having a loathesome attitude towards a certain race,is racism . Plain and simple. Go ask a member of the Mississippi White Knights. They’ll probably say,”we don’t need the word antisemite . Spics,niggers,jews,we hate all of them equally.” Philidelpia,Mississippi 1964. 2 jews come there to get the blacks to register to vote. They enlist the help of a local man from meridian Mississippi . The jews wanna get themselves killed,fine knock yourself out. Instead they bring a local man in. James Earl Chaney. I know what the Jews were thinking . “F**k the state of Mississippi. We’re gonna sign the negros up to vote. ” Neshoba County,Mississippi . 1964. Wrong place to pull that shit. That was the last group of people you’d wanna dictate policy to. Even if the klan did not kill the 2 Jews or the African American James Chaney ( yeah I seperatef the 2 races. James Chaney a better man than the 2 Jews ever hope to be) the Jews would’ve got in their car and drove back to New York . Mr. Chaney on the other hand…….you can figure that part out. Blacks had every right to vote, but the Klan other ideas. My moma,was raised in depression era Alabama . Klan ran the state back then. She saw racism first hand. Black man in tree . Swinging from a hangmans finest noose. From where I sit, Jews ain’t no better than Mr. Chaney or the black man my moma spoke of. I’ll be God damned if I seperate them from the other races . The 2 Jews from New York and James Chaney were murdered by racist. I ain’t gonna say the,Jews were murdered by antisemites and Mr. Chaney was murdered by racists. No. All 3 were murdered by racists. If that damages people sensibilities ,they can take a flyin f**kin leap. Tell you what Helga,I don’t give a shit about discussing the holocaust with a jew. Here’s the difference between you and me Evelyn . I know what a discussion is. You don’t . A free flow of ideas between interested parties. That’s how I view it. You on the other hand act like some little scorned little school girl that wasn’t invited to the school dance . I’m guessing you live in one of those candy ass countries that have the laws where you can’t say anything against the holocaust. Glad I’m an American. Freedom of speech and I don’t go to lockdown. I respect everyone’s opinion Barbara . I may not agree with ,but I respect it. People don’t agree with mine,I don’t really give a shit. No. It’s everybody else that can’t have discussion with. You come in with a beligerant “my opinion is the only one the matters” attitude. I was bought up to respect other people’s views ,wether I agree with it or not. Clearly you weren’t . It’s probably your country giving you your opinion

            Comment by Tim — May 24, 2015 @ 5:14 pm

          • ” Who is proud to be a racist amtisemite should not even discuss with a Jew about the history of the Shoah.”

            That’s safer for the Zionist myth of national restoration – aka the “Holocaust” or “Shoah” – that finally brought the state of Israël to life, as planned by the Zionist leaders who had fed the Allies and the Soviets with that myth during the previous years (including war years).

            ” I took note that any discuss with Yourselves is impossible.”

            I’ve noted the same thing about you, Wolfie. But that’s because you’re defeated so easily in debates on any detail of the current Holocaust narrative. One can’t debate with somebody who doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. And I’m not talking about your ridiculous “stand in front of an SS” Shoah experience. I’m talking about the alleged homicidal gas chambers, etc.

            Comment by hermie — May 24, 2015 @ 9:07 pm

  3. The suicide of Europe started with WWI. The foolisch Versailles Treaty set the political, social and economical conditions for nazi – fascist rise on power snd WWII with all mass slaughters followed. The suicide of Europe had been complete. As to the Sonderkommando we ought to consider that only two of those men survived acciddently. All had been supposed to be executed in order to let no withness of the murder system survive.
    .

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — May 22, 2015 @ 12:48 pm

  4. Europe did commit suicide, and not only Germany is to blame. Europe’s Jew hatred brought about the murder of 6 million Jews. Most Holocaust Revisionist of course deny the laws of mathematics. But the truth is that prior to the holocaust there were about 14 million Jews, and today there are about the same. If you take the census data subtract 6 million and grow it based on a reasonable population growth you would get to about 14 million. Jews were murdered by Nazis. This happened…Nazis admitted to doing it, they were proud of it! They killed adults and children…they killed my uncles…my grandmother was a witness and was liberated from Bergen Belson!

    But anyway as for the topic on suicide. Because this one is real. In destroying 6 million, it begs the question how many innovations, medical advancements went by the waste side thanks to the Nazi gas chambers and Einsatzgruppen goons.

    Hitler would chase away perhaps his best scientist (Albert Einstein), his knowledge falling into the hands of the Americans (Hitler might have won the war had he not chased Einstein away), medical advancements, technology. Then Europe…goes socialist…and how does socialism survive? succeeding generations pay the freight…except 1.5 million Jewish Children are murdered and their parents either go to the US or Israel after the War. Productive citizens murdered or flee…and who are the “replacements” Northern Africans… Jews who integrated (despite persecution) into society would leave with their talents…and who came in who were these replacements – Islamists…who by the way Hitler had a deep respect for…Hitler hated Christianity for being too Jewish. But Islam…those guys had that control thing down to a science…Hitler loved that. Well anyway Euorpe has a permanent non-producing underclass which hates Western Ideals…while America and Israel continue to be a leader in technology and sciences. A country of 300 million people would be a lone superpower (until about 2008 when we elected a moron) and Israel will get a monkier called start up nation…a nation of about 5.5 million Jews with no significant natural resources other than intellect, a nation not even 70 years leading the world in various technologies. Which could be part of Europe.

    Some Europeans have honestly written about this tradgedy. I personally do not feel ill will towards Germans et al…most are embarrassed by their history…most today are good industrious people…But I would ask next time you or a loved one you are responsible for is in the ER or doctor’s office, please note to the doctor that you refuse any treatment or service if it involves a Jew or Jewish invention. Everything from Lasik, to the remote control, to the most advanced irregation systems on earth, curing Syphilis, chemotherapy, genetic therapy, that theory of relativity thing, Sure many of your predecessors would blame the Jews for the Bubonic Plague, why not credit the guy who invented the cure he was a Jew, how about ridding the planet of small pox -yep a Jew was on that one too.

    So please next time you need something please make sure to refuse any treatment from a Jew!

    Comment by G-D Bless Israel — May 22, 2015 @ 12:00 pm

    • Next time YOU need something, please make sure to refuse treatment from a German.

      Comment by furtherglory — May 22, 2015 @ 1:20 pm

    • Hey “God Damnit”, here’s the math. According to the Hebs bible ( jew world almanac . This book is the holy word for them) these are the numbers
      1933. 15,315,000
      1948 15,753,000
      These numbers come straight from the Jews themselves. So if 6 million ( the Hebs never mention the other 5 million that were rumored like the Jews to have been bumped off. I guess they ain’t jews so they don’t count) were killed,there’s a bean counter somewhere who ain’t worth a shit in math. This is probably the reason those nutless,chickenshit countries have the laws where you can’t question the Jews on the holocaust. Somebody might find out the truth. Clearly those countries have little girls running them. They run around crying,”boo hoo. We don’t to upset the big bad Jews “. F**k the Jews . Candy ass bitches.

      Comment by Tim — May 22, 2015 @ 3:21 pm

  5. I said it once already and I’ll say it again . Patty Hearst tried pulling the same crap. She didn’t do what the SLA wanted her to do,she was gonna be taking a dirt nap. Her attorney tried pulling that crap in court . Clearly that didn’t fly with the judge or jury. For the sake of argument lets say the holocaust is 100% true. First off its gonna show just how far greed goes with jews . Picking up bodies of their dead brothers and sisters. Knowing what just happened to them. Their greedy ass only worried about staying alive a couple days longer. You’re gonna die any way. So when someone picks you tote this stiffs to the burn pit,give them the one finger salute. These jews couldn’t even say,f**k you. I ain’t doing your dirty work ,but I’m led to believe they can have an uprising at various camps. What difference does it make if we think they should stand trial or not. They’ll never see the inside of courtroom as a defendant.

    Comment by Tim — May 22, 2015 @ 10:44 am

  6. I am pleased to say that rumours of our demise have been greatly exaggerated! These guys can be neither victims nor perpetrators because they never lifted any bodies from any gas chambers.

    Comment by Clent — May 22, 2015 @ 10:17 am


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