By now, everyone in the world is talking about Junior’s gas chamber remark.
Donald Trump, Jr. has tried to deny that he was referring to the Holocaust when he said, ” “I mean, if Republicans were doing that, they’d be warming up the gas chamber right now.”
How do you “warm up” a gas chamber? It is the Zyklon-B gas that has to be warmed up in order to release the poison fumes. Junior revealed his ignorance when he made this remark.
A real gas chamber in Jefferson City, Missouri
The newspaper story continues with this quote:
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Trump Jr. also said that as a Republican running as an outsider, “every day, everyone’s throwing everything they could possibly throw at him.”
Gas chambers were used by Nazis in the Holocaust — the genocide of 6 million Jews and millions of others during World War II.
Trump’s campaign denied that Trump Jr. was referring to the Holocaust, saying he meant the “gas chamber” used in capital punishment.
“The liberal, dishonest media is so quick to attack one of the Trumps that they never let the truth get in the way of a good smear,” Trump senior communications adviser Jason Miller said in an emailed statement. “Don Jr. was clearly referring to capital punishment to make the case that the media continues to take words out of context in order to serve as the propaganda arm of the Hillary Clinton campaign — something that’s only gotten worse as Trump’s poll numbers have improved.”
End quote
In my humble opinion, I think that Junior should get off the campaign trail before he does any more harm.
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You have to remember they are into the art of controlling other speech and lives…they demand political correctness and only from others…Hillary can talk all day about her “Adult Fun Camps” and we on the right simply don’t get triggered….because of this…sadly…..we are the ones who must bring them to heel….How else do you deal with bat shit crazy?….. The fact is they gas stray dogs down the street and I thought he was referring to it.
Comment by leslymill — September 28, 2016 @ 7:54 pm
This sort of reminds me of this image made by a Trump support made.
I think it would have looked better if they used Majdanek
Comment by Denying-History — September 28, 2016 @ 3:05 pm
You showed a photo of Trump pressing a button to release gas from a shower head. This is what True Believers believe happened at Dachau when the Nazis pressed a button to release gas from the shower heads in the shower room.
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 8:56 am
Lol not really. Trump hasn’t shown any signs of gassings.
Also not really the current belief is that the gas was inserted through two flaps. Bhala said the gas used wasn’t cyanide so this sort of hurts the idea of Zyklon being used.
We don’t really know the gas chambers operation. Mazals article would be something I recommend you read but it contains some errors.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 9:12 am
You wrote: “We don’t really know the gas chambers operation. Mazals article would be something I recommend you read but it contains some errors.”
Mazel’s article was written back in the Dark Ages. It was probably written on parchment.
I have written about Mazal on these blog posts:
https://www.phdn.org/archives/www.mazal.org/archive/documents/Dachau-article.htm
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 9:27 am
It’s not really that off from the current belief of the museum… It could be wrong on some operation points but you seem to be confused by his article. He said the thing you label a “peephole” was the air intake. Piping exists along the top rim.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 9:30 am
You wrote: “It’s not really that off from the current belief of the museum…”
The Dachau “museum” has gone back to claiming that the shower room in Baracke X was a gas chamber. The Holocaust denial laws in Germany are now more strict, and the German people don’t dare open their mouths about the Holocaust.
I wrote about the shower room that is now claimed to have been a gas chamber at
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 9:40 am
When have they claimed different? Well FG? Can you prove that the Dachau Museum ever labeled it a shower room with working shower heads?
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 9:41 am
You wrote: “Can you prove that the Dachau Museum ever labeled it a shower room with working shower heads?”
Yes, there were very early descriptions of the gas chamber in which it was called a shower room.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/descriptions.html
I lived in Germany for 20 months when my husband was in the Army in the 1950ies. There was one occasion when the soldiers and some of their wives took a trip to Dachau. I declined to go because I thought it would be too horrible to see a gas chamber where Jews were killed.
When the soldiers and their wives came back from the trip, my husband told me that the alleged “gas chamber” at Dachau was actually a shower room. They had been allowed to see the control room behind one wall of the shower room and they could see that the controls were for turning the water on and off. If there were only a few people in the shower room, only one row of shower heads was turned on.
The control room is now off limits. I am very angry with myself that I didn’t go on this trip.
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 9:59 am
Again by the Museum, not early on descriptions.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 10:01 am
Your mind is made up. There is no use for me to try to persuade you to change your mind.
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 10:05 am
I am not asking you to persuade me of anything… I am simply asking for you to provide a statement from the museum which says the room was a functioning shower room.
Your witness descriptions say the room looked like a shower room but was actually a gas chamber… But guess what, these are not museum statements.
Now provide a statement where the museum says that water came from the showerheads. Otherwise your claim that the museum had a period of calling it a shower room is a lie.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 10:09 am
You wrote: “Now provide a statement where the museum says that water came from the showerheads. Otherwise your claim that the museum had a period of calling it a shower room is a lie.”
The statement in which the alleged Dachau gas chamber was called a shower room was taken down from the internet many years ago.
I have a page on my website on which I quoted early descriptions of the alleged gas chamber. These descriptions show that the room was actually a shower room, not a gas chamber.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/descriptions.html
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 11:54 am
Again FG, it needs to be from the MUSEUM. I also do not see any of your witnesses saying it has running water which comes from the shower heads…
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 1:37 pm
You wrote: “it needs to be from the MUSEUM.” Germany is now completely controlled by the Jews. There are over ONE MILLION Jews in Germany now. The Jews control what is told in the museums, so the DACHAU MUSEUM is kosher.
The last time that I was at Dachau, there was a Jewish man standing outside the gate into the camp. He was asking questions of the visitors who were leaving the Museum to find out what they believed after their visit. Fortunately, I knew the right answers to give, so that I would not be arrested for being a denier. He complemented me for getting all the answers 100% right. He told me that it was almost unknown for a visitor to get all the answers right.
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 2:10 pm
Stop with the worthless gibberish and provide the Museum statement.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 3:38 pm
You wrote: “provide the [Dachau] Museum statement.”
AFAIK, the Dachau Museum does not publish “statements.”
There used to be a Museum guidebook, and I purchased a copy when I was there many years ago. The guidebook has changed over the years, as the story of Dachau has changed. Maybe you could contact the Dachau Museum and order a guidebook. Go to the Museum website at https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/index-e.html
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 4:27 pm
They publish some updates, but just take the work “statement” as a very broad thing for now.
Provide a statement in which they say water came from the showerheads in the Dachau gas chamber.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 4:29 pm
Go to this page on my website
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/DachauLife01C.html
where you will read this:
Begin quote from my website:
Visitors enter the Baracke X building, shown in the photo above, through a door on the south side and proceed through the waiting room, and then the undressing room before entering the gas chamber. On the wall of the undressing room is a sign which tells visitors:
“Gas Chamber
This is the center of potential mass murder. The room was disguised as “showers” and equipped with fake shower spouts to mislead the victims and prevent them from refusing to enter the room. During a period of 15 to 20 minutes up to 150 at a time could be suffocated to death through prussic acid poison gas (Zyklon B).”
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 4:44 pm
You again fail to prove that the museum says the showerheads released water.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 4:46 pm
You wrote: “You again fail to prove that the museum says the showerheads released water.”
The museum does not say anything. It is a room and it does not have a mouth nor vocal cords.
It is implied on my website that the shower heads released water because there are floor drains. Why would a room have floor drains if there was no water ever released in the room? Does your living room have floor drains?
I show a photo of a floor drain in the alleged gas chamber on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/interior02.html
I don’t know why you are attacking me. Don’t you have anything better to do?
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 5:13 pm
“The museum does not say anything.”
Thank you for admitting that you are full of it.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 5:31 pm
You wrote: “Provide a statement in which they [the Dachau museum officials] say water came from the showerheads in the Dachau gas chamber.”
The Dachau Museum has made many statements over the years. Some of those statements have said that water came from the showerheads.
AFAIK, the Dachau Museum has never made a claim that water NEVER came out of the shower heads. There are drains on the floor of the Dachau gas chamber. Those drains are now closed up. The door of the basement of the Dachau gas chamber building is locked so that no one can check to see if water could have gone down the drains and into a sewer pipe.
I don’t know what you are trying to prove. Are you trying to prove that the alleged gas chamber at Dachau was not a gas chamber? Or are you trying to prove that the alleged gas chamber WAS, in fact, a gas chamber?
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 5:49 am
Then provide one of their statements. You say that they said it. Then provide it.
Comment by Denying-History — September 30, 2016 @ 5:51 am
I have a page on my website where I have written about the Dachau gas chamber: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history02.html
This was written years ago, after I had visited Dachau 4 or 5 times. Please tell me what part of this page on my website, with which you disagree. When was the last time that you visited the Dachau memorial site? How many times have you been to Dachau?
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 6:43 am
That’s not what I am arguing about. Don’t change the subject. Give a statement from the museum.
Comment by Denying-History — September 30, 2016 @ 6:48 am
You wrote: “Give a statement from the [Dachau] museum.”
The Dachau Museum does not give statements. The Memorial site at Dachau has a web page which you can read at
https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/index-e.html
The Dachau web site does not give a statement about the alleged gas chamber at Dachau. They avoid this subject because there was no homicidal gas chamber at Dachau, but it is against the law, in Germany, to say that.
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 7:06 am
You wrote: “That’s not what I am arguing about.”
What ARE you arguing about?
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 7:39 am
You stated the museum said at one point that the gas chamber was a working showerroom.
Comment by Denying-History — September 30, 2016 @ 7:45 am
You wrote: “You stated the [Dachau] museum said at one point that the gas chamber was a working showerroom.”
I don’t recall “stating” that, but I might have, since the alleged gas chamber at Dachau WAS, IN FACT, a shower room.
After Dachau was “liberated” by American soldiers, the Dachau camp was occupied by displaced people for several years. During this time, tourists were allowed to see the alleged Dachau gas chamber, which is outside the part of the camp where prisoners were housed.
I had an opportunity to go on a trip to see the Dachau “gas chamber” in the 1950ies but I declined to go because I thought it would be too horrible to see a huge “gas chamber” disguised as a shower room. Besides that, I did not want to see the poor refuges who were living in the barracks of the former camp. I am from Missouri and I had seen a real gas chamber in Jefferson City, MO — so I knew what a gas chamber looks like. If I had gone to see the gas chamber at Dachau, I would have burst out laughing and I might have been arrested.
One thing that a gas chamber must have is a 40 ft “stack” which is a tall chimney that is used to vent the gas fumes from the chamber. The Dachau “gas chamber” has only a couple of chimneys, not a 40ft stack.
A gas chamber cannot have floor drains, as the alleged gas chamber at Dachau has.
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 8:23 am
“The Dachau “museum” has gone back to claiming that the shower room in Baracke X was a gas chamber.”
This implies they said it wasn’t a gas chamber at one point and one can only assume they claimed it was a showerroom based on what you wrote. Now provide the statement or place the DACHAU MUSEUM said it was a showerroom or something else.
Comment by Denying-History — September 30, 2016 @ 8:37 am
You wrote: “Now provide the statement or place the DACHAU MUSEUM said it was a showerroom or something else.”
On the wall of the undressing room in the Barack X building at Dachau, when I visited the former camp in 2007, there was a sign which informed visitors thusly:
Begin quote:
This is the center of potential mass murder. The room was disguised as “showers” and equipped with fake shower spouts to mislead the victims and prevent them from refusing to enter the room. During a period of 15 to 20 minutes up to 150 at a time could be suffocated to death through prussic acid poison gas (Zyklon B).
End quote
Note that the sign said that the “victims” COULD have POTENTIALLY been murdered.
The sign in the Dachau gas chamber building was a compromise. It was against the law in Germany to deny the Holocaust, so the sign said “potential mass murder.” In other words, the Museum was saying that there could have been POTENTIAL mass murder. The Museum was implying that there could have been potential mass murder, but that never happened. The Museum stopped short of saying that “mass murder” actually happened.
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 11:51 am
You are full of it. It clearly says that dachaus gas chamber was a potential room to be used for mass murder… It DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU CLAIM.
The sign does not say the victims could have been potentially murdered. It says the site could have been a potential site of mass murder (which is wrong considering both the documents and witness say it was for experimental usage.)
You honestly know nothing about Dachau and only repeat the incorrect assertions made by the museum with saying the chamber was created to kill on mass. It was obviously created for experimental gassings.
You still have yet to show anything from the museum saying the gas chamber was able to release water from the showerheads or that the room was actually something else. I understand the idea “it wasn’t used” but that’s not what you are saying. This room had a spot for running water but it was used for a hose.
Comment by Denying-History — September 30, 2016 @ 12:46 pm
Go to this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history01.html
The following quote is from the web page, cited above:
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The photo above, taken in May 2001, shows the west wall of the gas chamber with a sign in the corner which says in 5 languages that the gas chamber was never used or never put into operation. By 2003, the sign had been removed, and many of the tour guides tell visitors that people were gassed in this room.
End quote
Also read the following quote from my website:
Begin quote
In May 1965, a portable sign, which said in 5 languages that it was never used as a gas chamber or never put into operation, was placed in the Dachau gas chamber when a Memorial Site on the grounds of the former concentration camp was first opened to the public. This sign was still there in May 2001, but by May 2003, it had been removed.
The English version reads: Gas Chamber disguised as a “shower room” – never used as a gas chamber. This implies that the room may have been used for something other than a gas chamber.
When the American liberators arrived on April 29, 1945, the Baracke X building had been in existence for two years but the room marked “Brausebad” had allegedly never been used as a gas chamber.
The undressing room, next to the Brausebad, was furnished with soap and fresh towels, indicating that the “gas chamber” might have been used as a shower room, except that the shower heads, as seen today, are not connected to water pipes. If the room marked “Brausebad” was not used for gassing, nor for showers, this means that three rooms (the waiting room, undressing room and shower room) were not used for anything for two years, yet in the midst of all the chaos in the camp in the last days of the war, soap and towels were still kept in the undressing room so that the American liberators would not suspect that the shower room was really a homicidal gas chamber.
If the shower heads in the Brausebad had been hooked up to water pipes, the heat of the cremation ovens in the Baracke X building could have been used to heat water for the shower, as was done at the Natzweiler camp. The gas chamber at Natzweiler was in a separate building, not in the shower room in the crematorium, as at Dachau.
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 3:11 pm
You have again Haven’t provided anything from the museum which states water came from the showerheads…
Comment by Denying-History — September 30, 2016 @ 8:26 pm
You wrote: “You have again Haven’t provided anything from the museum which states water came from the showerheads…”
The last time that I visited the Dachau Memorial site was in 2007 when the new Museum was just being set up. The Museum was not completely finished, but visitors were allowed in. I took photos of the exhibits that were not yet complete and put these photos on a section of my website at
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/Museum/museum03.html
I don’t remember that the Museum pointed out that water came out of the showerheads in the shower room. If you were writing a paper about a showerroom, would you mention that water came out of the shower heads? That goes without saying.
I also wrote about the Dachau gas chamber on this page of my website:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/Museum/museum02.html
The following quote is from the web page, cited above:
Begin quote
a display about the Dachau gas chamber in the museum says that it was used a few times. A sign that was in the Dachau gas chamber when I visited in May 2001 has now been removed; that sign told visitors in five languages that the gas chamber was never used, or never put into operation.
End quote
You are somehow hung up on the idea that Dachau had a shower room that was actually a gas chamber in disguise. At the time that prisoners were allegedly being gassed at Dachau, there was no law, in any country, against gassing criminals. Some of the prisoners at Dachau had been put in prison because they were fighting unlawfully as “Resistance fighters” not as soldiers. It was not against the law to execute Resistance fighters. However, they were usually shot. Dachau had a shooting range where unlawful combatants were shot.
Prisoners were shot at a rifle range outside the Dachau camp. I have a section on my website about this: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/CrematoriaArea/ShootingStand.html
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 8:11 am
And again we come to the point where you show that you originally lied.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 10:47 am
You wrote: “And again we come to the point where you show that you originally lied.”
And again, no one knows what you are talking about.
I began writing my website many years ago, starting in 1997. Most people did not know what a website was, at that time. I wrote the True Believer version of the Holocaust at that time. My website about Dachau was the first one ever put up about Dachau.
I had to put only one photo, and a little bit of text, on each page of my website because the technology at that time was far from what it is now.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 11:28 am
FG only you don’t know. I have said it once and I don’t need to stay it again. Provide something from the museum where they say that the gas chamber contained working showerheads which released water. Otherwise you’re original claim that they “had gone back to claiming the shower room…was a gas chamber”.
You know what we call people who say such things then avoid answering the demand. Full of shit.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 11:38 am
You wrote: “Provide something from the [Dachau] museum where they say that the gas chamber contained working showerheads which released water.”
The Dachau museum does not have a guidebook which says anything about the shower heads in the shower room. The term “shower head” implies that it is a fixture from which water comes out. It would be stupid to write something like “gas came out of the shower heads, not water.” The gas was in the form of pellets; it was not liquid.
The Dachau guidebook, which I purchased when I was there, said that prisoners were sent to Hartheim Castle to be gassed. To this day, the Hartheim Castle Memorial site claims to have had a gas chamber where Jews were gassed, including Jews who were sent there to be gassed.
I don’t understand why you are obsessed with the idea that gas came out of the shower heads. The gas that was used was Zyklon-B which was in the form of pellets, not liquid.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 12:35 pm
Thank you again for proving my point that the Museum has never retracted their claim of this room being a gas chamber.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 12:45 pm
I have a section on my scrapbookpages website about the gas chamber at Dachau: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/Museum/museum02.html
The following quote is from the web page, cited above:
Begin quote
An excerpt from the statement of Dachau Commandant Martin Weiss is shown in the display. Weiss was one of the few concentration camp Commandants who didn’t confess to the gassing of prisoners and he was not charged with this crime in the proceedings against him. However, a display about the Dachau gas chamber in the museum says that it was used a few times. A sign that was in the Dachau gas chamber when I visited in May 2001 has now been removed; that sign told visitors in five languages that the gas chamber was never used, or never put into operation.
End quote
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 2:21 pm
“had gone back to claiming the shower room…was a gas chamber”.
Again Provide something from the Museum which states that the gas chamber was anything else but a gas chamber. You keep avoiding this. The context of your first post practically spells out that at one point they called it a showerroom. You have no proof they called it a working showerroom at any point.
Stop derailing the subject and prove your first assertion.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 2:25 pm
You wrote:”You have no proof they called it a working showerroom at any point.”
The following quote is from my website:
Begin quote
By November 1945, it was known that the 29,138 Jews brought to Dachau from other camps between June 20, 1944 and November 23, 1944 had been transferred to the eleven Kaufering sub-camps of Dachau to work in munitions factories and had not been gassed in the five gas chambers at Dachau, as stated in the Official Army Report that was written within days after the camp was liberated.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 2:34 pm
This again isn’t evidence that it wasn’t a gas chamber FG… YOU claimed the MUSEUM said that this room was not a gas chamber at one point in time.
USED or UNUSED it doesn’t change the rooms intent. The room was constructed as a gas chamber in 1944 (according to Blaha) or in 1943 (according to the museum -this might have changed-). Ether way you have yet to show that the Museum has retracted the claim of the room as a gas chamber… you have only shown they retracted people dying in it.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 2:39 pm
You wrote: “Ether way you have yet to show that the Museum has retracted the claim of the room as a gas chamber…”
I have been told by people who have recently visited Dachau that the Dachau Museum is now back to claiming that the gas chamber at Dachau WAS used.
However, the current official web site of the Dachau Memorial site does not claim that there was a homicidal gas chamber at Dachau.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 2:50 pm
Can you explain why you are obsessed with the Dachau gas chamber? As a child, I lived only 25 miles from Jefferson City, Missouri, which had a gas chamber. I went to see the gas chamber on a school trip. I was impressed with the tall smoke stack that was 25 or 30 feet high. The purpose of the smoke stack was to expel the gas fumes into the air.
Can you explain why the alleged Dachau gas chamber had NO smoke stack, of any height, to expel the gas fumes?
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 2:58 pm
FG it’s not an obsession over the gas chamber. It’s your inability to understand a simple concept.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 3:20 pm
You wrote: “YOU claimed the MUSEUM said that this room was not a gas chamber at one point in time.”
Yes, that is correct. I wrote that on this blog post:
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 3:09 pm
Again FG, provide where the MUSEUM said the Gas chamber was no longer a gas chamber. You have yet to do this.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 3:22 pm
You wrote: “provide where the MUSEUM said the Gas chamber was no longer a gas chamber.”
Here is the website of the former Dachau camp:
https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/index-e.html
There is nothing about a gas chamber at Dachau on the website — because there was no gas chamber at Dachau. The alleged gas chamber was a shower room.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 3:32 pm
FG…. This argument is illogical… Read Rashers letter… It clearly says a Gas chamber was to be built at Dachau. If you visit the site today you will read a sign which clearly states that your “showerroom” was a gas chamber.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 3:51 pm
Now can you provide where the Museum said the gas chamber was a showerroom? Or not?
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 4:04 pm
You wrote: “Now can you provide where the Museum said the gas chamber was a showerroom? Or not?”
I CAN provide where the Dachau shower room was claimed to be a gas chamber and where it was claimed to be a shower room, but I won’t. However, you can look it up yourself. It is all on my website; I spent a lot of time and money to create my website, and I don’t want to write it again for a newb like you. Do your own research and then go to see the camps yourself.
I spent a lot of time and money to visit Dachau THREE TIMES, including one time when I stayed in the town of Dachau for a week.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 6:06 pm
“I CAN provide where the Dachau shower room was claimed to be a gas chamber and where it was claimed to be a shower room, but I won’t.”
Because the Museum never said the room was a working shower room.
Doesn’t matter how much you link to your website. It cannot be fact checked for your claims are worthless without a museum statement or something from the Museum saying the gas chamber was a working shower room.
You want to claim that I’m a “newb” but you are the one making uncanny assertions that the Museum has never made and sighting them as a source. The museum has never shifted on its claim that Dachau had a gas chamber.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 6:35 pm
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 4:48 pm
You are quoting from two revisionist websites which deny that Dachau had a gas chamber.
Here is the full quote:
The Nuremberg Tribunal proceedings contain two important references, the first in the so-called Chavez Report, dated 7 May 1945:
“The new [crematorium] building had a gas chamber for executions… The gas chamber was labeled ‘shower room’ over the entrance and was a large room with airtight doors and double-glassed lights, sealed and gas proof. The ceiling was studded with dummy shower heads. A small observation peephole, double-glassed and hermetically sealed, was used to observe the conditions of the victims. There were grates in the floor. Hydrogen cyanide was mixed in the room below, and rose into the gas chamber and out the top vents.”
End quote
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 5:52 pm
FG… I didn’t quote anything… First off if you really believe that Imgur is a denial site then you have lost your mind. Second both photographs are from the Dachau Museum… Again showing how much you bother to look at Dachau.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 6:12 pm
You wrote: “if you really believe that Imgur is a denial site then you have lost your mind. Second both photographs are from the Dachau Museum… Again showing how much you bother to look at Dachau.”
Did I write that Imgur is a denial website? This is the first time that I have ever heard of the Imgur website.
There is a photo of the gas chamber on the Imgur website. It shows the peephole on the wall along with a place to hook up a water hose. Why not show photos of the whole room, as I did on my website.
Then a photo of bowls where “showers were taken.” I have this same photo on my website somewhere, but I can’t find it. Showers were not taken in bowls like this. Showers were taken in the large room that is claimed to be a gas chamber. I think that these bowls shown in the photo were urinals.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 6:50 pm
That is what one of the images are from. That is the only thing I could pick out as a “Quote”.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 6:52 pm
I don’t understand what you are talking about.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 6:53 pm
Don’t even try and play that shit. You know what you fucking said. You said the following about the two images I have provided!
“You are quoting from two revisionist websites which deny that Dachau had a gas chamber.”
I quoted no such thing and one of the images is from Imgur which I personally uploaded.
These those pictures from the museum.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 6:56 pm
I did a search for photos of a urinal at Dachau and found this website which confirms that I was right about the photo of a urinal: https://www.google.com/search?q=photo+of+urinal+at+Dachau&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=isch&imgil=FpWzgVgM7koSUM%253A%253B1hV8RaurDf0NBM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fpixabay.com%25252Fen%25252Fphotos%25252Fwashroom%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=FpWzgVgM7koSUM%253A%252C1hV8RaurDf0NBM%252C_&usg=__6neCLMsLa1AEDN34MhVrkVK3pFM%3D&biw=1411&bih=826&ved=0ahUKEwj5jqHFiLvPAhVQz2MKHaOYAucQyjcIOw&ei=-m_wV_mpH9CejwOjsYq4Dg#imgrc=Cw9YX_6lQRft4M%3A
I have the same photo on my website, but I can’t locate it.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 7:30 pm
Here is the thing FG, you are missing the point. This is unrelated to the Dachau gas chamber.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 7:32 pm
You wrote: “one of the images is from Imgur which I personally uploaded.”
Thanks for introducing me to Imgur, which I had never heard of before. I see that anyone can upload a photo and make a mistake about what is in the photo.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 7:35 pm
The Dachau Museum HAS retracted the claim of the Dachau shower room being a gas chamber. Read my previous comment.
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 2:26 pm
THEY NEVER CLAIMED IT TO BE A SHOWER ROOM. YOU HAVEN’T PROVED THAT THEY SAID IT WAS A SHOWER ROOM AT ANY POINT.
THEY STILL SAID IT WAS A GAS CHAMBER! EVEN IF THEY SAID IT WASN’T USED.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 2:28 pm
You wrote: “THEY NEVER CLAIMED IT TO BE A SHOWER ROOM.”
Who is they? The staff at Dachau DID claim that the shower room was a shower room. They certainly did NOT ever say that the shower room was a gas chamber.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history02.html
Comment by furtherglory — October 1, 2016 @ 3:19 pm
Mind quoting the staff member?
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 3:36 pm
Now prove they retracted their claim that it was a gas chamber.
Comment by Denying-History — October 1, 2016 @ 2:31 pm
You wrote: “Now provide the statement or place the DACHAU MUSEUM said it was a showerroom or something else.”
I don’t understand your comments. Are you trying to say that Dachau had a gas chamber, or are you denying that Dachau had a gas chamber?
I visited the Dachau camp three times, in 3 different years.
I once stayed for a week in the town of Dachau and took lots of photos which you can see at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTown/HistoricPlaces/List.html
I am through with blogging about Dachau; I have moved on to other stories.
I don’t understand why you are so concerned with Dachau.
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 3:23 pm
You wrote: “I am simply asking for you to provide a statement from the [Dachau] museum which says the room was a functioning shower room. [not a gas chamber]”
I put up my website in 1998, before I became a Holocaust denier. The following quote is from my website, written in 1998:
Begin quote
However, a display about the Dachau gas chamber in the [Dachau] museum says that it was used [as a gas chamber] a few times.
A sign that was in the Dachau gas chamber when I visited in May 2001 has now been removed; that sign told visitors in five languages that the gas chamber was never used, or never put into operation.
End quote
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 12:22 pm
Doesn’t matter, it’s a revised view. I don’t care if Dachau was used or not. That is completely irrelevant to a museum statement saying water came from the showerheads.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 1:38 pm
You wrote: “Doesn’t matter, it’s a revised view. I don’t care if Dachau was used or not.”
I don’t understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the alleged Dachau gas chamber was ONLY a shower room, or are you saying that the Dachau shower was ONLY a gas chamber, or are you saying that the Dachau shower room was BOTH a gas chamber and a shower room, depending upon which switch you flipped.
True Believers believe that the Dachau shower room was ONLY a gas chamber. Holocaust deniers believe that the Dachau shower room was ONLY a shower room.
A few people think that the Dachau shower room was used BOTH as a shower room AND a gas chamber. These people think that gas OR water could have come out of the shower heads, depending on which switch you flipped.
No one is allowed to see the control room behind the shower room wall because they would be able to see that there was NO switch for gas, only a switch to turn the water faucets on and off.
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 2:03 pm
I am saying that if they revised the sign to say a few people were gassed it shouldn’t matter. Case being only a few gassings happened or none at all. This chamber was created for testing “combat gasses” at different temperatures.
I am saying it was not claimed a shower room with running water that came from the showerheads as well. I am still waiting on the museum statement.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 3:37 pm
You wrote: “This chamber was created for testing “combat gasses” at different temperatures.
I am saying it was not claimed a shower room with running water that came from the showerheads as well.”
You have revealed that you know nothing at all about Dachau. Go to the official website for Dachau at https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/index-e.html
On the official website, you will read “This chamber was created for testing “combat gasses” at different temperatures.”
You wrote: “I am saying it was not claimed a shower room with running water that came from the showerheads as well.”
You are wrong. The Dachau showerroom WAS claimed to be a shower room, as well as a gas chamber.
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 4:37 pm
Lol no I have revealed that you make banter without evidence.
Read Raschers letter, it clearly reads that the chamber was to use “combat gasses”. Again proving you make baseless claims.
The current museum claims the gas chamber used Cyanide but as I have already pointed out Bhala said the gas chamber didn’t use cyanide. Last time I checked ZyklonB also wasn’t a Combat Gas.
In the corner of the room was a vent which released heated air into the gas chamber. Leuchter claims this was added after the war but it might imply the room was converted to a gas chamber or something along these lines.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 4:44 pm
You wrote: “I have revealed that you make banter without evidence.”
I am beginning to think that you are a Holocaust denier and you are berating me because you think that I am a True Believer. When I wrote my scrapbookpages.com website in 1998, I was a True Believer, but I tried to give both sides of the story. I gradually became a Holocaust denier, but my website can still be used by students because it is not a denier website.
Comment by furtherglory — September 29, 2016 @ 4:51 pm
Same old bantering. I haven’t said anything out of rational.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 5:32 pm
You wrote: “I haven’t said anything out of rational.”
So English is not your first language? From what country are you posting your comments? What is your belief about Dachau? Do you believe that Dachau was a “death camp” where Jews were killed in the shower room?
Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2016 @ 5:54 am
Denial laws are also Irrelevant to the current issue.
Comment by Denying-History — September 29, 2016 @ 9:42 am
The young Donald was technically right…..if he was referring to how it was supposed to work.
Actually you need the room warm for the ZB gas to work properly.
So if reference was made to the Germans using ZB (which never happened in mass gassings) in some sealed room then the temperature had to be on the warm side, around 78 degrees, if not, then warm air had to be circulated through the room by some sort of heater and fan.
Thats why the only application of ZB was for fumigation of clothing and bugs.
There was NO mention of any heating device being used that I have come across in the HoloHuxsters testimonies as of yet.
No fans, no heaters….so how could the gassing happened? Especially in the winter as the buildings were not heated.
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For mote info…
http://nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html
JR
Comment by Jim Rizoli — September 28, 2016 @ 2:02 pm
http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/works/peters-rasch-1941/
Comment by Denying-History — September 28, 2016 @ 6:05 pm