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June 2, 2010

Did Amon Goeth save more Jews than Oskar Schindler?

Filed under: Holocaust, movies, World War II — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 9:57 am

Amon Goeth was the Commandant of the Plaszow concentration camp; he was shown in the movie Schindler’s List as an evil monster who heartlessly shot innocent Jews from the balcony of his home.  In the movie, Goeth also beat his maid and committed many other atrocities. So why would anyone think that Amon Goeth, the epitome of evil, saved Jews during the Holocaust?

Scene from the movie Schindler’s List

After World War II ended, Amon Goeth was put on trial in Poland, but he was not charged with shooting prisoners from his balcony, nor with beating his maid.  He was charged with “liquidating” the Krakow ghetto, the Tarnow ghetto and the labor camp at  Szebnie near Jaslo.  During these liquidations, prisoners who tried to escape were shot and Amon Goeth was responsible for their deaths, although he didn’t personally shoot anyone.

When the ghettos were liquidated, some of the Jews were sent to forced labor camps, such as the Plaszow camp that is shown in Schindler’s List, but others were sent to the death camps at Belzec or Auschwitz. Amon Goeth took bribes from some of the Jews in the ghettos and then sent them to a labor camp instead of sending them to a death camp.  Goeth was arrested by the Nazis themselves on September 13, 1944 and charged by SS judge Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen with taking bribes from the Jews in exchange for not sending them to a death camp.  The movie Schindler’s List did not mention Goeth’s arrest and his absence in the camp was never explained.

How many Jews did Amon Goeth save from certain death in the death camps?  No one knows, but he was amassing a fortune from the bribes that he took, and this attracted the attention of the SS Criminal Police; he was investigated for six months before he was finally arrested.

Amon Goeth at the Plaszow camp

Goeth’s first job, after he joined the Waffen-SS, had been to liquidate several ghettos in the Lublin area. In exchange for money or other valuables such as furs and furniture, Goeth had sent Jews to labor camps instead of sending them to the death camp at Belzec.  In the eyes of the Nazis, this was a crime because all possessions taken from the Jews belonged to the Third Reich, not to SS officers like Goeth.

According to Thomas Keneally’s novel, Schindler’s Ark, Amon Goeth was “selling a percentage of the prison rations on the open market in Cracow through an agent of his, a Jewish prisoner named Wilek Chilowicz, who had contacts with factory managements, merchants and even restaurants in Cracow.”   Thomas Keneally explained that Chilowicz was allegedly killed by Goeth because he was a potential witness to Goeth’s crime of stealing the prisoner’s food. (The movie Schindler’s List was based on the novel Schindler’s Ark.)

So Amon Goeth, whose name is synonymous with evil for a whole generation of Americans, was actually working with the Jews to become rich during World War II.  However, it is doubtful that Goeth was stealing food from the Plaszow camp when there was a jewelry factory there as well as a furniture factory and a custom tailor shop.  The Jews who made it onto Schindler’s List stole diamonds from the jewelry factory and used them to bribe Marcel Goldman, the Jew who made up Schindler’s List.

After Goeth was arrested by the Nazis on September 13, 1944, Oskar Schindler was arrested a few days later and interrogated by the SS as part of the Goeth investigation, according to David Crowe’s book entitled Oskar Schindler.

David Crowe wrote that Schindler

“did move a lot of the former Plaszow commandant’s war booty to Brünnlitz. Göth, who still seemed to consider Schindler his friend, visited Brünnlitz several times during the latter months of the war while on parole.”

Goeth had been kept in prison in Breslau until he was released on parole on October 22, 1944 because he was suffering from diabetes. He was recuperating in an SS sanitarium in Bad Tölz near Munich when he was arrested by General Patton’s troops in 1945. His mistress, Ruth Irene Kalder, was with him at Bad Tölz and their daughter, Monika, was born there in November 1945.

Mietek Pemper, a prisoner at Plaszow who worked as Goeth’s stenographer and was privy to secret SS documents, was the main witness against Amon Goeth when he was put on trial in Poland after the war. Pemper told author David Crowe that:

“the basis of Chilowicz’s wealth came from the goods that Göth had collected from Krakow’s Jews after the closing of the (Podgorze) ghetto. Though Göth was supposed to send these valuables to the Reichsbank, he told Chilowicz to keep most of it for his (Göth’s) own expenses. These goods became the basis of Göth’s black market empire at Plaszow. Chilowicz, who handled Göth’s black market deals, always managed to skim something off the top for himself.”

According to David Crowe’s book, Wilek Chilowicz was the head of the OD, the Jewish police at Plaszow. He wrote that “Göth sought permission to murder Chilowicz and several other prominent OD men in the camp on false charges.” In all the Nazi concentration camps, the staff had to get permission from headquarters in Oranienburg to punish a prisoner, but punishment did not include murder.

Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen was a Waffen-SS officer and attorney whom Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had put in charge of investigating murder, corruption and mistreatment of prisoners in all the Nazi concentration camps in 1943. Dr. Morgen’s first investigation had resulted in the arrest of Karl Otto Koch, the Commandant of Buchenwald, and his later execution by the Nazis. When Goeth realized that he was being investigated by Dr. Morgen, he sought permission from Wilhelm Koppe in the central office in Oranienburg to execute Wilek Chilowicz, who could have testified against him.

Wait a minute!  Amon Goeth, the man who shot prisoners at random from his balcony, “sought permission” to execute the Jew that he was working with to steal goods when the ghettos were liquidated?  That doesn’t make any sense at all.

According to David Crowe’s book, Goeth asked one of his SS officers, Josef Sowinski, to prepare a detailed, false report about a potential camp rebellion led by Chilowicz and other OD men. Based on this report, Koppe sent a secret letter to Goeth giving him the authority to carry out the execution of Chilowicz and several other OD men. The execution took place on August 13, 1944; Goeth was arrested exactly a month later and charged by Dr. Morgen with corruption and brutality, including the murder of Wilek Chilowicz and several others. The office in Oranienburg did not have the authority to give an execution order; an execution could only be authorized by the Gestapo in Berlin.

Oskar Schindler had a lot in common with Amon Goeth, including the fact that both were Catholic and both were arrested by the Nazis for engaging in black market activities. Both were out to get rich from the war-time economy in Poland. Both were born in the same year, 1908; both were hard drinkers and both had a “massive physique.” Goeth was Austrian, as were his fellow Nazi criminals Adolph Eichmann, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, and Adolph Hitler. Schindler was an ethnic German living in what is now the state of Moravia in the Czech Republic.

Amon Goeth  after he was arrested

After World War II ended, the American military turned Amon Goeth over to the Polish government for prosecution as a war criminal. He was brought before the Supreme National Tribunal of Poland in Krakow. His trial took place between August 27, 1946 and September 5, 1946. Goeth was charged with being a member of the Nazi party and a member of the Waffen-SS, Hitler’s elite army, both of which had been designated as criminal organizations by the Allies after the war. His crime was that he had taken part in the activities of these two criminal organizations.

Goeth was also charged with the following crime:

(5) Simultaneously with the activities described under (1) to (4) the accused deprived the inmates of valuables, gold and money deposited by them, and appropriated those things. He also stole clothing, furniture and other movable property belonging to displaced or interned people, and sent them to Germany. The value of stolen goods and in particular of valuables reached many million zlotys at the rate of exchange in force at the time.

The last charge against Goeth, as stated above, was the crime for which he had been arrested on September 13, 1944, after an investigation by Waffen-SS officer Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen.

So how did Goeth manage to “deprive the inmates of valuables, gold and money” in connection with the liquidation of the ghettos, as stated in the charges against him by the Polish government?  This is probably a reference to the bribes that Amon Goeth took to save some of the Jews from being sent to the death camps when the ghettos were liquidated.

Oskar Schinlder saved 1,200 Jews by putting them on a List of prisoners to be taken to his factory in what is now the Czech Republic.  Amon Goeth was in charge of liquidating at least 6 ghettos.  If he saved as many as 200 Jews from being sent to Belzec or Auschwitz from each of these ghettos, then his total of saved Jews would be comparable to the number on Schindler’s List.

Maybe Steven Spielberg should make a sequel in which he would show Amon Goeth taking bribes and sending Jews to labor camps instead of sending them to certain death.  It could be entitled “Goeth’s List” as a reference to the list of Jews from whom Goeth accepted bribes to save their lives.

141 Comments »

  1. I had alway’s thought Amon Goeth a Hero but if he took bribes from jews he has lost my respect as an American Soldier, I can no-longer think of him as a good man.

    Comment by Lonnie McManners SSG Ret USA — September 29, 2014 @ 11:41 pm

  2. and the reason Schindler knew it was safe to return was because the Jews that he saved stood up for him and explained what he did. Where were the Jews that Goeth ‘saved’? and why did they not stand up for him?

    Comment by Matthew Hudson — September 25, 2014 @ 7:50 am

  3. and that’s all i really have to say… i am not going to lower myself to your level by trying to prove that a hero was a hero and an evil man was not. If you can’t recognise what was right and what was wrong then i am afraid you need help.

    Comment by Matthew Hudson — September 25, 2014 @ 7:47 am

  4. Except he did personally execute people and yes Oskar fled but that’s because he would be charged with the crime of slavery as you said because that’s how it started… but tell me, why, when Oskar returned, was he not charged with war crimes? oh wait, that is because he actually saved Jews instead of making money of them and sending them to labour camps anyway

    Comment by Matthew Hudson — September 25, 2014 @ 7:44 am

    • Oskar Schlindler was not charged with war crimes because the ex-post-facto laws of the Allies did not apply to the Allies. The “common plan” or “common design” ex-post-facto law was not used, for example, in the case of the American liberators of Dachau who lined up soldiers who had surrendered and then killed them without a trial. Most of the German POWs who were killed were not connected to the Dachau concentration camp in any way. They were stationed at an Army camp next door to the concentration camp.

      I wrote about the ex-post-facto (after the fact) laws at http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/ex-post-facto-laws/

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2014 @ 7:57 am

      • Everything you just said is useless because Schindler was in fact a Nazi… so the law would apply to him… ive never been involved in a weaker argument 😂 congrats

        Comment by MatthewHudson97 — September 25, 2014 @ 8:01 am

        • And quite frankly I don’t want my mind to be polluted with anymore of the rubbish you wrote

          Comment by MatthewHudson97 — September 25, 2014 @ 8:03 am

    • You wrote: “he [Goeth] did personally execute people…”

      AFAIK, there was no testimony at Goeth’s trial about him executing people personally. I quoted the testimony from Goeth’s trial on this blog post: http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/did-amon-goeth-really-shoot-prisoners-from-his-balcony-testimony-from-his-trial/

      Could you give a reference to the testimony regarding Goeth peronally executing people? Goeth was the Commandant of the Plaszow camp. AFAIK, the Commandant of a camp did not personally execute people.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2014 @ 8:09 am

      • You really are the worst at arguing aren’t you? Lets do this, say Goeth didn’t personally execute prisoners okay? What about the rest? Why did the jews he ‘saved’ not stand up for him? What did he do with that money? Why was he running a camp if he really cared about Jews? I won’t even dignify your next response with a reply if you havent at least answered all those questions.

        Comment by MatthewHudson97 — September 25, 2014 @ 8:13 am

      • And in your other blog the testimony clearly states that he beat Helen for no reason. Why would he do this of he was a “hero”

        Comment by MatthewHudson97 — September 25, 2014 @ 8:19 am

        • Amon Goeth was suffering from diabetes. He was sent to a hospital where he could be treated. A person, who has diabetes, can get very upset over something trivial and become violent. This could have happened, or perhaps he beat Helen for a reason that she didn’t understand. Amon Goeth was also an alcoholic. He could have beaten Helen while he was drunk.

          Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2014 @ 12:16 pm

          • So that makes it okay? Because he was drunk? And well done answering all the questions. You really showed me that Goeth was a real hero… except not. I really hope you get help sometime soon, because clearly if you let a 17 year old argue circles around you like this theres something wrong with your story…. cheers (that means goodbye in case you didn’t understand)

            Comment by MatthewHudson97 — September 25, 2014 @ 12:30 pm

            • Sorry to see you go, but I have to answer one last time. You were commenting on just one blog post that I did about Schindler’s List. I have written several blog posts about Schindler’s List, including the two posts, which you can read at

              http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/schindlers-list-the-movie-is-fiction-fiction-fiction/

              Schindler was also an alcoholic and his wife had a few bad things to say about him. Amon Goeth’s girl friend stayed with him, even when he was sent to a hospital, suffering from diabetes. Shindler’s wife eventually left him and had nothing good to say about him.

              Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2014 @ 12:50 pm

    • Amon Goeth did not personally execute anyone. He was not charged with that at his trial. You are correct that Schindler fled because he knew that he would be charged with a war crime for having a factory where Jews worked with no compensation.

      Schindler was not charged with war crimes, by the Allies, because some of the Jews that he saved testified on his behalf.

      Amon Goeth made money by accepting bribes from the Jews. After accepting bribes from the Jews, Goeth did no send them to camps anyway.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2014 @ 1:24 pm

  5. This is probably the dumbest article I have ever read. Even in the comments, where you are trying to prove your readers wrong, you prove them right. Yes Schindler started is enamel factory with the intention of making a profit but he spent all that money, as you pointed out in one of the wikipedia sources, to save his workers (Jews). Even if Goeth took bribes to “save” Jews, his only intention was to make money. Their wellbeing did not make a difference in his life and he never used any of his profits to save the Jews. He may have unintentionally given some Jews the chance to live (if they were lucky) however, not only did Schindler do the same but he went out of his way to make sure that they DID live. In conclusion… you are stupid to believe that Goeth saved jews or that he is on the same level as Schindler…

    Comment by Matthew Hudson — September 25, 2014 @ 7:01 am

    • Why did Schindler leave his factory, just before Soviet troops arrived to liberate the sub-camp that he had set up? Why didn’t he stay and take credit for saving the Jews in his factory?

      Schindler left so that he would not be arrested and charged with a war crime. Under the ex-post-facto laws of the Allies, Schindler would have been put on trial and automatically convicted because he was using Jews as workers in his factory where he was making a fortune by using slave labor.

      Goeth was saving Jews by taking bribes, so he was committing a crime against the Nazis, but he was not committing a war crime against the Allies. Goeth was put on trial by the Allies and convicted of the crime of executing prisoners who had been brought to Plaszow for execution. He was considered responsible for the executions, under the ex-post-facto laws of the Allies, although he didn’t order the executions, nor did he personally execute anyone.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2014 @ 7:39 am

  6. He probably broke the promises! For your bribe I could personally break my promise! No way would they give him bribes if he said it publicly he most likely broke the promise to them PRIVATLY AFTER THEY GAVE HIM THE $$$$$$$$$$!

    Comment by Robyn — April 27, 2014 @ 7:17 am

  7. Also many Jews testified that they witnessed goeth executing Jews at random developing an infamous rep. I don’t know if u are defending somebody that is pure evil or if you are some sort of Neo-Nazi yourself either way this article begs for attention and presents no clear factual evidence

    Comment by Dan — March 31, 2014 @ 9:23 pm

  8. This is an unacceptable comparison. Goeth saved people so that they could make him money while he goes and kills others directly. Schindler did it because it was the right thing to do. BIG difference

    Comment by Dan — March 31, 2014 @ 9:17 pm

  9. You are comparing a man who killed Jews and made money off them to a man who saved Jews as his goal. Yes he initially wished only to profit from the war but he clearly made a moral decision to save Jews. Goeth on the other, evil hand did not make a moral decision he made a greed decision.

    Comment by Dan — March 31, 2014 @ 9:15 pm

  10. well most those jews who ended up in.the labour camps wer killed eventally i beieve. goeth almost certainly knew this when he made deals for their lives. schindlers survived. nuff said.

    Comment by yon — February 25, 2014 @ 4:22 pm

  11. It is common under nazi publication or those close to them, to try to show nazi main “actors” as yew-savours. Please see this as it is, an act of history knittering.
    Goth never “saved” anyone. He just made deals, making those poor people the offer to buy themselves out, if they had something he was interested in.
    Instead of doing what humanity makes obligatory he tried to make a fortune wherever possible.
    Your try to say he saved lives shows how ill you are. To compare him to Schindler is unnecessary and ill.

    Comment by Like lick — September 30, 2013 @ 11:25 am

    • Thank you for setting the story straight. Of course, it was Schindler who saved lives. Schindler was not out to make a fortune. He went from his home town, in what is now the Czech Republic, to Poland because he wanted to save Jews, not to make a fortune off the slave labor of Jews.

      Could you please make a correction to the Wikipedia entry for Oskar Schindler at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler

      These lines on Wikipedia should be corrected:

      Schindler continued to bribe SS officials to prevent the slaughter of his workers until the end of World War II in Europe in May 1945, by which time he had spent his entire fortune on bribes and black-market purchases of supplies for his workers.”

      “…the subsequent 1993 film Schindler’s List, which reflected [Schindler's] life as an opportunist initially motivated by profit who came to show extraordinary initiative, tenacity, and dedication in order to save the lives of his Jewish employees.”

      “knittering”? Is this English as she is spoke in Germany? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_As_She_Is_Spoke

      Comment by furtherglory — September 30, 2013 @ 12:13 pm

  12. Goeth was a self-confessed murderer who couldn’t even remember how many individuals died at his hand. Schindler killed no one.

    Every child in the world should be shown Schlinder’s list, so that they may know the truth: Goeth was a murderer and Schlinder wasn’t. And that’s really all that matters when it comes down to this post. I’m done here, EOM.

    Comment by Conor — September 22, 2013 @ 5:36 pm

    • On what occasion did Amon Goeth confess to murder? When did he confess to not knowing how many individuals died at his hand? Where can I find the proof that Amon Goeth personally killed anyone, or ordered the death of anyone?

      Why didn’t Dr. Konrad Morgen arrest Goeth for murder, after he investigated him for months?

      You should have written a short message in a title line and then EOM. But since you are not writing an e-mail message, EOM is not appropriate.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 23, 2013 @ 7:29 am

      • in a book i read ABOUT jack gruner! a holocaust prisonor who somehow SURVIVED GOETH! goeth would of shot you on purpose if you moved quickly trying NOT TO GET SHOT! On Yom Kuppor he’d shoot people because it was an importent holiday and it made the Jews upset! HE DIDN’T JUST FOLLOW ORDERS HE ENJOYED IT!
        some of the information is from http://www.auschwitz.dk/goeth.htm

        Comment by robyn — June 16, 2014 @ 9:39 am

        • The link that you provided does not work.

          I have tried to find some information about the claim that Amon Goeth was allowed to shoot prisoners any time he felt like it. Heinrich Himmler who was in charge of all the concentration camps had given orders that the SS men were not allowed to kill the prisoners on their own authority.

          The following quote is from my own website scrapbookpages.com

          Begin quote
          Rudolf Hoess, the infamous Commandant of Auschwitz, was a member of the Dachau staff from 1934 to 1938. With regard to Dachau and the other Nazi camps, Hoess testified as follows at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal on April 15, 1946:

          DR. KAUFFMANN: I ask you, therefore, first of all, whether you have any knowledge regarding the treatment of internees, whether certain methods became known to you according to which they were tortured and cruelly treated? Please formulate your statement according to periods, up to 1939 and after 1939.

          HOESS: Until the outbreak of war in 1939, the situation in the camps regarding feeding, accommodations, and treatment of internees, was the same as in any other prison or penitentiary in the Reich. The internees were treated severely, but methodical beatings or ill-treatments were out of the question. The Reichsführer [Heinrich Himmler] gave frequent orders that every SS man who laid violent hands on an internee would be punished; and several times SS men who did ill-treat internees were punished.

          Feeding and billeting at that time were on the same basis as those of other prisoners under legal administration. The accommodations in the camps during those years were still normal because the mass influxes at the outbreak of the war and during the war had not yet taken place. When the war started and when mass deliveries of political internees arrived, and, later on, when prisoners who were members of the resistance movements arrived from the occupied territories, the construction of buildings and the extensions of the camps could no longer keep pace with the number of incoming internees. During the first years of the war this problem could still be overcome by improvising measures; but later, due to the exigencies of the war, this was no longer possible since there were practically no building materials any more at our disposal. And, furthermore, rations for the internees were again and again severely curtailed by the provincial economic administration offices.
          End quote

          I find it hard to believe that Amon Goeth was allowed to kill prisoners on a whim, any time he wanted to.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2014 @ 11:07 am

        • I looked up Jack Gruener and found his book on Amazon at http://www.amazon.com/Prisoner-B-3087-Ruth-Gruener/dp/product-description/054545901X

          The information, on Amazon, about his book says that he survived 10 different camps. How is this possible if camp commandants, like Amon Goeth, were allowed to shoot prisoners at random?

          This review of his book is on Amazon:
          When Hitler’s army entered and occupied his native Kraków, 10-year-old Yanek knew his life might change, but he had no idea of the horror that lay ahead. His remarkable survival story begins with a dramatic, emotional punch and then chronicles such moments as his secretive bar mitzvah in a warehouse basement, the systematic round up of Jews, and his deportation to the Plaszow concentration camp, the first of 10 camps he would suffer but survive. He recalls encounters with such Nazi figures as the sadistic Amon Goeth and describes acts of wanton, viscious brutality. In an appended note, Gratz explains that the novel is based on actual events in survivor Jack Gruener’s life but he has “taken liberties with some times and events” to provide a better overview. The account includes basic historical information including essential aspects of WWII. A map would have been helpful, but this essentially true story is a good starting point for students unfamiliar with the Holocaust. Pair it with Doreen Rappaport’s Beyond Courage (2012) and Anne Frank’s The Diary of a Young Girl. Grades 5-8. –Linda Perkins

          So Jack Gruener admits he has TAKEN LIBERTIES with times and EVENTS. Did he TAKE LIBERTIES in his account of Amon Goeth shooting prisoners because he ENJOYED IT?

          Sorry, but I don’t approve of Holocaust survivors TAKING LIBERTIES with the truth in their accounts of their time in 10 DIFFERENT CAMPS.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2014 @ 11:25 am

    • Schlinder was still responsible for many deaths even if he didnt kill them himself

      Comment by Adam Parrott — February 21, 2014 @ 10:49 am

      • Did you mean to say that Amon Goeth was responsible for many deaths even if he didn’t kill them himself. Oscar Schindler was not held responsible for any deaths.

        Amon Goeth was convicted of a war crime because 8,000 people were brought to the Plaszow camp to be executed, while he was the Commandant; he was responsible for these deaths because he did nothing to stop the executions.

        Comment by furtherglory — February 21, 2014 @ 12:14 pm

  13. Yes, because his actions can be compared to those of Schindler.
    Ignorance is bliss. He killed thousands of people ordered the deaths of thousands more.

    Comment by r h — September 19, 2013 @ 3:48 pm

  14. Amon Goeth said under oath that he could not remember the total number of people he killed. Amon Goeth killed children in the streets during the liquidation of the ghettos. In one instance, he slammed a little boy against a wall so hard that the brains began to come from his head, then shot the child. In another, he personally executed 40 or more individuals in one go, such that he was exhausted and perspiring from the killing and was obliged to relieve himself.

    So Amon Goeth personally participated in executions.

    You are wrong.

    Comment by Bernard — August 27, 2013 @ 11:53 pm

    • I can read and I am shocked you compare killing human beings to killing chickens. The fact Goeth was following orders and murdering people ( not chickens ), though it was legal in Germany at the time is a ludicrous defense. That is why it is called a crime against humanity! There is no defense against genocide. You cannot throw your own personal accountability of your actions out the window just because your following orders. I think Schindler’s Jews have done the deciding here, they supported him for the rest of his life. They were actually there…we weren’t. No one supported Goeth for obvious reasons. He took advantage of people for his own profit and murdered others for his own twisted enjoyment.

      Comment by Linda — June 8, 2014 @ 9:44 am

      • I think that both you and Bernard are confused. Try reading this blog post about Amon Goeth: http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/did-amon-goeth-really-shoot-prisoners-from-his-balcony-testimony-from-his-trial/

        This quote is from the blog post, cited above:

        Begin quote
        David Crowe wrote that Amon Goeth had been arrested after a 6-month investigation of Goeth’s tenure as Plaszow’s Commandant. The man who investigated Goeth was Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, a Waffen-SS officer and attorney whom Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had put in charge of investigating murder, corruption and mistreatment of prisoners in all the Nazi concentration camps in 1943.

        [...]

        Due to the fact that Germany was losing the war and the SS now had bigger problems, Goeth was never put on trial by Dr. Morgen’s court and this was the last investigation done by the SS. After the war, Dr. Morgen was arrested as a “war criminal,” and imprisoned in the bunker at the Dachau concentration camp to await his own trial.
        End quote

        Comment by furtherglory — June 8, 2014 @ 10:50 am

      • i don’t like factory farms ether that’s why i’m going vegan over the summer however it isn’t COMPARABLE TO THE HOLOCAUST!

        Comment by robyn — June 16, 2014 @ 9:41 am

  15. I am shocked to find out that many posters here have either lost their ability to read or never had any to begin with.

    The writer is not denying the existence of a Holocaust. However, the writer is pointing out the irony behind the situation where two men have dipped their hands into the war for profit and only one was criminalized.
    Amon Goeth accepted bribes from Jews and sent them to labour camps rather than to their deaths. I don’t think he was a hero and neither does the writer. He is just pointing out the facts. His title is nefariously misleading, however, I think it fits due to the irony.

    Schindler bribed Goeth to grab Jews to work for free in his factories. Schindler’s volition is in question here. Did he save Jews to save Jews, or did he only do so for free labour and a good word from them after the war? Did he actually repent and turned his operation from profiting to freeing, or did he see into the future and worried that he would be standing in front of a Jewish tribunal? I personally would like to think that Schindler – after witnessing what his profiteering gig did for Jews – did repent. However, there are a limited number of documents and testimonials to be completely sure.

    Both Goeth and Schindler were to be tried by the Nazis for the same reason – for war profiteering and swindling. They both dipped into the pot of gold. However, before the trials were completed, the war ended. Schindler was released because of the Jewish support while Goeth – having no Jewish support for obvious reasons – was sent to Poland for his war crimes.

    The dilemma is this: Amon Goeth was tried and executed under laws that did not exist before the war. This is like executing a man for killing a chicken because of a new law “under the circumstances”. “We’re going to make up the crimes you’ve committed”. While his part in the deaths of many Jews could not be denied, it could be said the same for many soldiers and officers who killed under orders. Was he a tool, or was he a firm believer? Poland would argue the latter.

    The writer’s main point is this: The definition of “war criminal” was based solely upon the Allies decisions. The crimes that the Nazis was formed by the Allies. While most of these crimes were accurate based on testimonials and evidence, the author makes a point that some people were inaccurately (DIFFERENT from incorrectly) portrayed. To be completely honest, we will never know whether an officer acted as such because he hated Jews or he was following orders. The writer argues that Goeth was not in a high enough position to make decisions on what to do with Jews. Others believe otherwise.

    Comment by kdjames007 — August 15, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  16. I was 19 when I read the Diary of Anne Frank, up until then I had never known anything about the holocaust. I read that book from start to finish in 2 days and throughout that time I had experienced many emotions. That was 15 years ago, since then I have studied a great deal on the holocaust, and still to this day, after all I have read and learned, I still cannot fathom how this could have happened.

    Comment by donna — July 19, 2013 @ 6:36 am

    • I read the Diary of Anne Frank for the first time in 1957 when almost nothing was known, by the general public, about the Holocaust. After reading the book, I went to the library to find books about the Holocaust, and there was only one book. I recall that there was a story in that book about a German doctor at Auschwitz who did an experiment on a pregnant woman, sewing her shut, when she was about to give birth.

      I also remember that there were photos of burned bodies at Thekla, a sub-camp of Buchenwald. I blogged about Thekla at http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/andy-rooney-was-a-stars-stripes-reporter-who-saw-thelka-a-sub-camp-of-buchenwald/

      Comment by furtherglory — July 19, 2013 @ 7:59 am

      • I find this a very interesting topic, could amon goeth have saved more jews than schindler.?. I would never have pondered this question. History interests me very much, I like reading up on both sides of the story.. furtherglory thankyou for giving me something new to add to my continuous learning on this subject..

        Comment by donna — July 19, 2013 @ 5:20 pm

        • Lol. If your intention is to learn how to be a bigot and a moron, you’re on the right path. That is the last question that needs to be asked. It is completely devoid of common sense or historical accuracy. That question should only be asked at Neo Nazi or KKK rally’s.

          Comment by Conor — September 22, 2013 @ 5:32 pm

          • Amon Goeth was arrested by the Nazis for taking bribes from the prisoners, so it is not bigoted nor moronic to ask if he saved more Jews than Schindler by sending them, in exchange for a bribe, to a labor camp, rather than to an extermination camp. Yes, it is historically accurate that Amon Goeth saved Jews by not sending them to Belzec when he was in charge of clearing ghettos.

            Comment by furtherglory — September 23, 2013 @ 7:37 am

            • Having someone pay you not to kill them is not “saving” them. The question shouldn’t be how many people did Goeth save… it should be be how many people did he extort.

              Comment by Clint — October 3, 2013 @ 7:37 am

              • Amon Goeth did NOT ask the Jews to pay him for not sending them to Belzec. No, the Jews offered him bribes for not sending them to Belzec. He could have taken the bribes, and then sent them to Belzec. Or he could have told them that he would not take them off the list, to be sent to Belzec, for any price. Instead, he took their names off the list to be sent to Belzec, and in return, the Jews gave him money or goods such as furs and furniture.

                Schindler saved Jews by putting their names on a list of prisoners, that were sent to his factory, which was a sub-camp of Gross Rosen. This did not guarantee that they were saved, since they could have died of disease in his sub-camp. The Jews who were not on Schindler’s List were sent to Gross Rosen, where they were not automatically killed, since Gross Rosen was not a “death camp.”

                Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2013 @ 8:30 am

    • i was 7 or 8 when I got interested in the holocaust! i was in 1st grade! I’m 12 now and i’m still interested in it!

      Comment by robyn — June 16, 2014 @ 9:43 am

      • or in second grade

        Comment by robyn — June 16, 2014 @ 9:43 am

  17. It’s good to see so many copy and paste buttons work. I think the point of the article is to point out that all history, even that of the Holocaust is not black and white, rather a great many shades of gray.

    Comment by dee — July 8, 2013 @ 7:06 am

    • Thanks for taking the time out of your day to say absolutely nothing of sense!!!

      Comment by cheach — July 8, 2013 @ 10:23 am

  18. You are an utter fool and no doubt an anti-Semite with a “holocaust denier” agenda. Even if as you claim- your beloved Goeth was bribed into sending Jews to labor camps instead of the death camps; that doesn’t mean he “saved” Jews. Unbeknownst to you forced labor camps were not vacation hot spots where prisoners got to lounge away the time, hundreds of thousands died as a result of malnutrition, unsafe work conditions, disease and “experimentation”. With that out of the way, lets focus on your next ridiculous assertion. They are countless testimonies of the atrocities Goeth committed against the Jews at Plaszow- from arbitrary shootings(yes, from his villa), setting dogs on prisoners, hangings etc!!!! all these claims have been CORROBORATED BY SURVIVORS to this day. In this abomination of a post, you seem to be focused more on proving that Schindler is not the hero he was & that Goeth is somehow a lovable, caring Nazi that just happened to be following orders!! In your “Infinite wisdom” you fail to realize that Goethe’s legacy has been written about by not just Jews, Russians & poles but by Germans as well- his own daughter Monika Hertwig has written about all this. Somehow his own daughter accepts this but you don’t !!
    TO say that you are daft beyond comprehension would be an insult to anyone that has ever been called daft before!!

    You agree that Goeth was convicted of the following crimes –

    (1) Amon Goeth as commandant of the forced labour camp at Plaszow (Cracow) from 11th February, 1943, till 13th September, 1944, caused the death of about 8,000 inmates by ordering a large number of them to be exterminated.

    (2) As a SS-Sturmführer Amon Goeth carried out the final closing down of the Cracow ghetto. This liquidation action which began on 13th March, 1943, deprived of freedom about 10,000 people who had been interned in the camp of Plaszow, and caused the death of about 2,000.

    (3) As a SS-Hauptsturmführer Amon Goeth carried out on 3rd September, 1943, the closing down of the Tarnow ghetto. As a result of this action an unknown number of people perished, having been killed on the spot in Tarnow. Others died through asphyxiation during transport by rail or were exterminated in other camps, in particular at Auschwitz.

    (4) Between September, 1943, and 3rd February, 1944, Amon Goeth closed down the forced labour camp at Szebnie near Jaslo by ordering the inmates to be murdered on the spot or deported to other camps, thus causing the death of several thousand persons

    but somehow say he was not convicted of murder!!! HE WAS FOUND TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF over 20,000 Jews!!!! Do you think the National Tribunal was more interested in proving his responsibility in the deaths of Tens of thousands or the death of 100’s??? THINK! allthe deaths he was directly responsible for could essentially have been included in these other crimes- trust me no one cared how we got to the gallows all their cared was that he got hanged!!!

    I would suggest a lengthy absence from posting anymore most welcome- perhaps spend the rest of your time evaluating your capacity for understanding basic logic or your own mental health!!!

    Comment by cheach — July 7, 2013 @ 4:17 pm

    • Thanks for your comment, most of which you copied from this website: http://auschwitz.dk/Goeth.htm

      Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2013 @ 5:28 pm

      • As expected, you fail to make any defense(not that you could have one anyway) of your ridiculous claims & logic but instead choose to focus on the fact that i copied the list of charges against Goeth from another site!!! Unless you were actually present at the National Tribunal in Poland for Goeth’s trial AND could remember the charges Verbatim- GUESS WHAT you are copying as well Einstein(oh, wait a minute he is a Jew so there is probably an international conspiracy to credit him with all the advancements in physics he accomplished..LMAO). As for the rest of my comments- they were based on common sense and my own knowledge of the actions of Amon Goeth(easily accessible for all)- NONE WAS COPIED. You will be surprised at how far common sense can take you if you had some. Since you are probably crying out for information, here are some other sites for you-

        http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/

        http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/wcc/goeth.htm

        I leave you with the words of our great president Abraham Lincoln(a non- Jew) “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” Please heed the words!!

        Comment by cheach — July 8, 2013 @ 10:22 am

        • You apparently missed the point of my blog post. The title of the blog post is “Did Amon Goeth save more Jews than Oscar Schindler?” The main point of the article is contained in this quote:

          “Amon Goeth took bribes from some of the Jews in the ghettos [that he closed] and then sent them to a labor camp instead of sending them to a death camp. Goeth was arrested by the Nazis themselves on September 13, 1944 and charged by SS judge Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen with taking bribes from the Jews in exchange for not sending them to a death camp.

          I have written several blog posts about Amon Goeth, but in the post, on which you are commenting, the focus is on the charges in his trial that he closed three ghettos. During the closing of these ghettos, he took bribes from the Jews in exchange for sending them to a labor camp instead of to an extermination camp. He was arrested by the German authorities for the crime of taking bribes from the Jews.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2013 @ 1:39 pm

        • I was going through some of the other blog posts, which I made a couple of years ago, and came across this comment that I made. I am putting this comment up again because I think it is a good explanation for the case of Amon Goeth:

          Begin Quote:
          I see that your problem is that you don’t understand how the war crimes trials were conducted after World War II. New laws were made by the Allies AFTER the alleged crimes were committed. These new laws applied only to the Germans and their Allies. The most important of these new crimes was called “participating in a common design or common plan to commit war crimes” or “co-responsibility for war crimes.” The war crimes that were prosecuted under this new law were new crimes such as “Crimes Against Humanity.”

          Besides the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal and the American Military Tribunal, there were also trials conducted by Great Britain, France, Poland and the Soviet Union. France passed a new law that no French citizen could be tried for war crimes. Some of the Germans were put on trial more than once, by more than one country. Amon Goeth was put on trial in Poland under the “common plan” law which made it a crime to be associated in any way with a place where anyone died, whether from disease, execution or deliberate killing. This applied even to prisoners who were Kapos that helped the Germans in the camps.

          The defense of following superior orders was not allowed. Amon Goeth had a choice of being shot for disobeying orders or being put on trial as a war criminal for obeying orders, although he didn’t know until after the war that following orders would not be a defense.

          Under these new laws, Amon Goeth was responsible for any deaths that occurred that were in any way related to his position as an SS officer. Prisoners who were brought by the Gestapo for execution at the camp where he was the Commandant, even if these prisoners had committed crimes, were counted as murdered. Prisoners who were shot while trying to escape were counted as murdered and the Commandant was responsible for their murder.

          Under these new laws, it did not have to be proved that the Commandant had PERSONALLY killed anyone. He was guilty by association for any deaths that occurred for any reason while he was in charge of evacuating a ghetto or in charge of a camp, including deaths from disease. He was also a war criminal because he was a member of the SS and a member of the Nazi party because these organizations were convicted of being criminal organizations at the Nuremberg IMT.

          However, Goeth was convicted of being an SS member and a member of the Nazi party BEFORE the verdict on these organizations was handed down at Nuremberg.

          To give you an idea of how these new laws worked, Martin Weiss, one of the Commandants at Dachau, was convicted by the American Military Tribunal of being a war criminal and hanged because he was responsible for all the deaths at Dachau while he was the Commandant, even though he had not personally killed or harmed anyone. In fact, he had improved conditions in the camp. Former prisoners in the camp, who wanted to testify in his behalf, were not allowed to speak at his trial. He was convicted and hanged even though he had not personally done anything wrong whatsoever.

          Meanwhile, the American soldiers who had killed German soldiers at Dachau when they surrendered the camp were not prosecuted. The German soldiers were killed with their hands in the air even though it was known that they had been sent directly from the battlefield to surrender the camp and they had nothing to do with the conditions in the camp.

          Amon Goeth could have done more good deeds than Oskar Schindler, but he would have been a war criminal just the same because he was the Commandant of a concentration camp, and as such, he was guilty of participating in a common design to commit war crimes.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 4, 2011 @ 8:11 am
          End Quote

          Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2013 @ 2:57 pm

          • “Amon Goeth could have done more good deeds than Oskar Schindler …..” Perhaps, the most outrageous and revolting comments ever written on the internet!!!! Somehow taking bribes to transfer Jews to labor camps(where many still died) instead of concentration camps somehow absolves Goeth for the atrocities he committed. At this rate you will be saying Adolf Hitler really should be commended for giving Jews employment and free housing!!

            Please spare us your unnecessarily long-winded replies- which you no doubt hope will give you some credibility. Sadly, for you it doesn’t. Let me try to explain this as simplly as possible- the National Tribunal convicted Goeth for the 4 charges above, which in their opinion are GREATER crimes than that of personally murdering 500 or so Jewish prisoners. Are you really worried about technicalities. You claim to be knowledgeable about the proceedings in these tribunals but somehow fail to mention that there were NUMEROUS eye-witness accounts of Goeth committing murders himself. Look at the trial testimony and you will see consistent accounts of arbitrary shootings done by Goeth himself. IN ANY COURT past or present Goeth would have been found guilty of first degree murder!!!

            In fact, when Goeth was asked if he personally deprived anyone of their life, his answer was ” Yes, several people” Goeth was GUILTY whichever way you look at it- no one but you is focused on trivial technicalities.
            Again, i suggest you differ to the countless historians, prosecutors, investigative journalists, witnesses etc who have all established Amon Goeth’s sickening actions in krakow!!

            Comment by cheach — July 8, 2013 @ 4:58 pm

            • You wrote: “i suggest you differ to the countless historians, prosecutors, investigative journalists, witnesses etc who have all established Amon Goeth’s sickening actions in krakow”

              I think you mean “I suggest that you defer to the countless historians….”

              Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2013 @ 6:04 pm

            • You quoted the WRONG half of my sentence when you wrote: “Amon Goeth could have done more good deeds than Oskar Schindler …..”

              You should have quoted the second half of the sentence: “but he would have been a war criminal just the same because he was the Commandant of a concentration camp, and as such, he was guilty of participating in a common design to commit war crimes.”

              The important point that I was trying to make is that Amon Goeth, and all the other German war criminals, were prosecuted under the concept of “common design” which was a new legal term that did not exist before the alleged crimes were committed. He was prosecuted on charges of committing “Crimes against Humanity,” which were new laws that had not existed when the alleged crimes were committed. In other words, Amon Goeth was put on trial for crimes that were not crimes at the time that they were allegedly committed.

              There was no defense allowed for the crime of “common design.” Amon Goeth was convicted of being a member of the Nazi party and being a member of the SS, although the Nazi party and the SS had not yet been established by the Nuremberg IMT as criminal organizations. So he was convicted of crimes that did not exist, under laws that did not yet exist when he was convicted of these crimes.

              You can read more about the trials conducted by the Allies on this blog post that I did a couple of years ago: http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/war-crimes-committed-by-hermann-pister-the-last-commandant-of-buchenwald/

              Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2013 @ 6:25 pm

      • yeah you’re right with MY comment however it’s all true i believe! and don’t even think of denying the holocaust! if you’re a holocaust denier i got 4 words to say to you Don’t Go To Germany!

        Comment by robyn — June 16, 2014 @ 9:46 am

    • Here, here! There are still smart people left on earth.

      Comment by r h — September 19, 2013 @ 3:52 pm

  19. Did Amon goeth save more jews than Schindler?

    Are you mentally retarded? Or are you just a complete asshole? History has proven this guy was a monster. You have proven that you are a fricken moron.

    Comment by Colin Hammond — July 6, 2013 @ 1:12 pm

  20. Its not a matter of who he saved, it is of how sadistic he was in his killings. One life is crime enough.

    Comment by Stevie — June 24, 2013 @ 12:47 pm

    • Amon Goeth was put on trial and convicted of murder because he was the Commandant of a camp at the time that prisoners, who had been condemned to death, were brought to his camp to be executed. This was based on a ex-post-facto law, made up by the Allies AFTER the war, known as “common design.” He was not convicted of personally killing anyone.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 24, 2013 @ 3:56 pm

      • Just because he wasn’t convicted is irrelevant. Many killers aren’t convicted of every single crime they commit, it’s the choice of the prosecutors-who almost always choose the most serious crimes for which they feel they can secure a conviction-to decide which crimes with which to charge an individual. Nazi’s, including Goeth, went to great trouble to hide their crimes so it was up to prosecutors to decide which charges to pursue. They created new laws because up to that point in the post industrial revolution, no nation had committed crimes and atrocities at the level of the Nazi’s. There had never been tribunals to charge entire nations with crimes. But that is all semantics. What it comes down to is mass murder. Whether it’s ordering thousands to death or shooting hundreds with your own hands doesn’t make much of a difference, it was simply a way to convict those who claimed “they were only following orders.” But as the commandant of a camp, Goeth gave the orders, err go he is responsible for every death at the camp. The guy was a serial killer by any standard, and admitted himself he was a murderer. Schindler never murdered anyone. Look up any testimony from survivors, hundreds pointed to Goeth as a killer, the embodiment of death. When prisoners saw him they knew someone, or many, would die, for infractions real or imagined, at Goeth’s hand.

        You seem to be actively trying to deny history. As if these people have any reason to make up these stories? Stories that all corroborate each other. I don’t understand how anyone who’s not an unapologetic anti-Semite could deny these events.

        Comment by Conor — September 22, 2013 @ 4:47 pm

        • Amon Goeth was charged with crimes because he followed “superior orders.” You can read about superior orders at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

          If Goeth had refused to follow orders, he would have been executed himself. At the Nuremberg IMT, the Allies changed the law, so that following orders was not a defense for the Germans.

          Amon Goeth was also convicted of crimes that had not existed before the end of World War II. He was not convicted of personally killing anyone, with his own hands.

          You are the one who is denying history.

          Comment by furtherglory — September 23, 2013 @ 8:33 am

  21. I’d been finding some of these articles of interest, on Amon Goeth, but you keep saying he joined the Waffen-SS, blah blah blah. The Waffen-SS, which literally mean “Weapons” was the front line elite of the German military. They did not run labor camps or concentration camps. While the larger arm of the SS, less than half of the Waffen-SS’s members had *any* Nazi Party affiliation. It was a military branch originally for Germans only, but even this wasn’t realized as the war ground on, and many other nationalities served in the Waffen-SS, even a few Jews survived the war in its ranks.

    Goeth joined the smaller highly politicized arm of the SS, the Algemeine-SS (sp) which was politically indoctrinated, para military, but far below the caliber of the Waffen-SS, and designated to carry out behind the lines political crap. These guys are largely responsible for the administration and execution of racial and political edicts against inhabitants of the Reich, particularly in the east.

    Goeth was inducted into the Waffen-SS reserve later in the war, but did not serve with the Waffen-SS despite that, so it is largely meaningless. One of the foolish generalizations I can’t stand is the lumping of heroic military fighters who gave their all to battle Communism with the criminal actions of Himmler’s political puppets. The members of the Waffen-SS almost to a man were completely unaware of The Final Solution, and were just as shocked to learn of it after surrendering to the Allies as anyone else. Because of their affiliation with the SS, these true soldiers were commonly mistreated since they were mislabeled, and that reputation continues on today.

    Comment by IISS — June 18, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

  22. During his tenure as commander of Płaszów, Goeth tortured and murdered prisoners on a daily basis. Goeth is believed to have personally killed more than 500 imprisoned Jews and sent thousands more to be executed on Hujowa Górka, a large hill that was used for mass killings along Płaszów’s grounds

    Comment by Cici — June 3, 2013 @ 1:49 am

    • Amon Goeth did not have the authority to send thousands to be executed. He was a Commandant in a concentration camp, not a Judge who sentenced people to death. The large hill was used for executions, which were executions, not mass killings.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 3, 2013 @ 9:39 am

  23. If Goeth had murdered your family members in cold blood, tricked, starved, taunted, terrorized and then beat them to death with a whip or shot them execution style in front of the rest of your family, I don’t think you be so quick to defend. Not to mention your arguments are weak and invalid. THERE ARE MANY WITNESSES TO THE CRIMES THIS MAN PERPETRATED UPON THE PRISONERS OF PLASZOW AND THE GHETTOS HE LIQUIDATED! Watch the testimonies of the survivors. These were simple people going about their lives like anyone else on this planet until the Nazis showed up in their country. To think there is some conspiracy to smear the name of such a man is beyond ignorant. Even Goeth’s mistress tried to downplay the atrocities. And let’s pretend for one second that he didn’t actually shoot anyone (which eyewitness testimony of thousands of survivors clearly refutes), he still ordered the deaths of thousands of mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, grandchildren and grandparents. Can’t you see that this man was pure evil? Why would you want to protect him? Is this all antisemitism? All of the people that died in fear and misery through this man’s direct actions deserve better than to be disrespected by the same type of narrow-mindedness that drove Goeth to commit so many atrocious crimes. I can think of no one in human history more deviant and despicable than Goeth. Except maybe the person who would take the position of apologist for such a vile individual. What does this say about you, furtherglory? Luckily for humanity, the fact that you choose to deny the truth (for some unknown reason) in no way changes the truth.

    Comment by Andrew — May 14, 2013 @ 7:57 pm

    • You wrote: “… he still ordered the deaths of thousands of mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, grandchildren and grandparents.”

      Amon Goeth was the Commandant of a labor camp, which later became a concentration camp. The Commandant of a camp did not have the authority to order the deaths of thousands. Goeth was tried under the “common plan” concept, which was an ex post facto law devised by the Allies AFTER World War II was over. Under this concept, anyone who had any connection to a concentration camp was guilty of everything that happened in the camp. When criminals were brought to a concentration camp for execution, after being convicted of a crime, everyone who had any connection to the camp was guilty of a war crime. There is currently a 93-year-old man who is going to be dragged into court in Germany and prosecuted for being a cook in a concentration camp, under the “common plan” concept, which was revived in the John Demjanjuk trial.

      If Amon Goeth was so bad, why did Oscar Schindler hang out with him, and attend parties at Goeth’s house? Why did Schindler introduce Goeth to his secretary, who became the mistress of Amon Goeth? Why did his mistress stay with him, after he shot prisoners at random from his balcony? Why did Goeth call one of his maids as a witness at his trial? Why was Goeth arrested by the Nazis? Why was Schindler arrested at the same time? Goeth was arrested because he was stealing from the camp; Shindler was arrested because he was helping Goeth store the stolen goods. Why weren’t these arrests mentioned in the film “Schinlder’s List”?

      Comment by furtherglory — May 15, 2013 @ 8:56 am

      • Since you love Wikipedia so much here’s a quote from the site:

        The balcony in Płaszów (2008). Göth could not aim from there, because the villa sits at the foot of a hill. Instead, he used to step outside the house to shoot with his Tyrolean hat marking the intention of hunting humans. It was the signal for seasoned prisoners to attempt to hide.

        Comment by Cici — June 3, 2013 @ 1:43 am

        • Thanks for pointing out this error on this page of Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w-P%C5%82asz%C3%B3w_concentration_camp

          The above page on Wikipedia shows two photos of ONE OF THE THREE HOUSES where Amon Goeth lived while he was the Commandant of the Plaszow camp. He was not living in this particular house when he allegedly shot prisoners from the balcony.

          Here is the error on the Wikipedia page: the two photos do not show the entire house. It appears that Goeth is standing on the BALCONY when he is actually standing on the patio.

          The caption on the two photos says “he used to step outside the house to shoot with his Tyrolean hat, marking the intention of hunting humans.” This makes no sense because he is NOT WEARING A HAT of any kind in the photo.

          I have deduced that what the caption is trying to say is that Goeth wore a Tyrolean hat when he went hunting, so the picture shows his “intention of hunting humans.” However, since he is not wearing a Tyrolean hat, this photo actually shows that he did not have the “intention of hunting humans” that day.

          Go to this post on my blog where you will see photos which clearly show that Amon Goeth IS STANDING ON THE PATIO, not on the balcony of his house. He is obviously not hunting anything, much less humans.

          http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/inheritance-a-documentary-about-monika-hertwig-the-daughter-of-amon-goeth/

          Comment by furtherglory — June 3, 2013 @ 7:33 am

  24. Hello! I’m from Poland and I’m very interested in WWII history. One thing to say – during his trial it was clear that he PERSONALLY KILLED OVER 500 PEOPLE. Enough of bullcrap, he must have looked cool in SS uniform, but he’s place’s in hell.

    Comment by abaddon — April 5, 2013 @ 6:20 am

    • At his trial, Amon Goeth was not charged with “personally” killing anyone.

      Here are the charges against him, which you can read for yourself at http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/wcc/goeth.htm#INDICTMENT

      Charges against Amon Goeth:
      1) The accused as commandant of the forced labour camp at Plaszow (Cracow) from 11th February, 1943, till 13th September, 1944, caused the death of about 8,000 inmates by ordering a large number of them to be exterminated.
      (2) As a SS-Sturmführer the accused carried out on behalf of SS-Sturmbannführer Willi Haase the final closing down of the Cracow ghetto. This liquidation action which began on 13th March, 1943, deprived of freedom about 10,000 people who had been interned in the camp of Plaszow, and caused the death of about 2,000.
      (3) As a SS-Hauptsturmführer the accused carried out on 3rd September, 1943, the closing down of the Tarnow ghetto. As a result of this action an unknown number of people perished, having been killed on the spot in Tarnow ; others died through asphyxiation during transport by rail or were exterminated in other camps, in particular at Auschwitz.
      (4) Between September, 1943, and 3rd February, 1944, the accused closed down the forced labour camp at Szebnie near Jaslo by ordering the inmates to be murdered on the spot or deported to other camps, thus causing the death of several thousand persons.
      (5) Simultaneously with the activities described under (1) to (4) the accused deprived the inmates of valuables, gold and money deposited by them, and appropriated those things. He also stole clothing, furniture and other movable property belonging to displaced or interned people, and sent them to Germany. The value of stolen goods and in particular of valuables reached many million zloties at the rate of exchange in force at the time. For those acts the accused was arrested by the German authorities on 13th September, 1944, but he was not brought before any German court. He was later extradited to Poland by the Allied authorities in Germany.
      End of Indictment

      Amon Goeth was RESPONSIBLE for a great number of deaths, including ABOUT 8,000 deaths which he ORDERED at the Plaszow camp and 2,000 deaths during the closing of the Cracow ghetto, plus many more deaths that occurred when Goeth was in charge of closing other ghettos.

      Nowhere in the indictment was he charged with PERSONALLY killing anyone. He was charged with ORDERING ABOUT 8,000 people to be EXTERMINATED. Unfortunately, the exact number of people that he ordered to be exterminated is unknown because there are no records of these orders.

      As the Commandant of a camp, Amon Goeth did NOT have the authority to order the EXTERMINATION of prisoners himself, without the permission of any higher authority, and he was not required to keep records of the people that he allegedly EXTERMINATED.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 5, 2013 @ 6:53 am

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  26. I am Russian and my Granny was the Red Army soldier participated in WW2. Only one thing I want to tell you on Goeth subject. This bastard became the military criminal from the moment he entered SS. And this is absolutely enough for me and I am not interesting in all your attempts to clean him. I am very happy to see him prosecuted in his early age. I could only be more happy if he was prosecuted 10 or 100 times more. All SS-men are criminals and all of them must be prosecuted without any excuses and at any time passed after the war.
    Wis deep and sincere personal DISREGARDS to you. Peter

    Comment by Peter — February 25, 2013 @ 10:28 pm

  27. It is shocking that there are still people denying the Holocaust today! Innocent people suffered & died. It’s irrelevant whether they were Jewish, Catholic, gypsies, homosexual, men, women or children. The fact is it happened. It doesn’t matter if a Hollywood film portrays the location of a house correctly or not. All that matters is that we all remember the terrible crimes committed & learns from them. Sadly, after reading some of these posts, I think this is not always the case!

    Comment by Chrissie — February 8, 2013 @ 3:07 am

    • Yes, it does matter when a Hollywood film is shown in the classroom of every school in America and that film teaches young children a lie. A Hollywood film portrayed the location of a house incorrectly in order to promote a lie. The shocking thing is that there are still people telling lies about the Holocaust.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 8, 2013 @ 7:10 am

  28. Oskar Schindler has never written any list. The legend of “the list” arose partly from Schindler himself, to embellish his ‘heroism’. There were nine lists. The first four were drawn up primarily by Marcel Goldberg, a corrupt Jewish security police officer and assistant to an SS officer in charge of transporting Jews. These lists were drawn up for money (some Jews could pay in order to go to less harsh camps), and not to save some Jews from an alleged extermination policy as it’s claimed today. The Schindler’s List is a fiction based on another fiction (the novel “Schindler’s Ark”), not a biography.

    The film’s epilogue says Schindler was named “a Righteous Gentile” in 1958, 16 years before his death in 1974. But it’s not true. Oskar Schindler was officially named in 1993, after Yad Vashem learned that Schindler’s widow, Emilie, was coming to Jerusalem to participate in the film. It was just propaganda intended to make people watching the film think it was not a fiction but the biography of a hero.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Schindler/OOF1104.html

    And Amon Goeth couldn’t shoot any prisoners from his balcony. It was physically impossible.

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcffor.html (see 3.4 Movies)

    Comment by hermie — January 6, 2013 @ 8:41 am

    • The last link which you provided goes to a website which has an article in which there are two drawings. One of the drawings shows Amon Goeth’s house and says that there was a balcony on the FRONT of the house. This is not correct. Go to this page of my website where I have a photo of the front of Amon Goeth’s house: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Plaszow/Plaszow03.html

      I took this photo in 1998 when I visited the house. The photo is not very good because I literally had to shoot while my tour guide was not looking, as she was trying to hustle me out of there as fast as she could. I did not get to see the back of the house because there were people living there in 1998.

      It seemed to me that the house was far away from the camp. It was not close enough to shoot prisoners in the camp, as far as I could tell.

      I believe that the author of Schindler’s Ark decided to make up a story for his NOVEL after seeing a photo of Amon Goeth standing on the PATIO in the back of the house, holding a rifle. Spielberg turned a NOVEL into an alleged true story. There was no shooting from any balcony.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 6, 2013 @ 12:47 pm

  29. [...] out of 846 posts that I have written since I started on February 5, 2010, is the one with the title Did Amon Goeth save more Jews than Oscar Schindler?.  WordPress made a suggestion that I should write more on this [...]

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  30. Futherglory, you need to evaluate carefully what you are trying to do here. You’re doing a great deal more damage than good with your posts. The big picture here is obvious – with a very clear degree of evidence – that is to say, the testimonial of hundreds of Jews, Goeth was a murderer, period. The details of his trial are completely irrelevent, and the analysis of the setting of the hollywood film Schindler’s list that you present is also from a historical basis irrelevent. The movie was clearly inaccurate, and everyone here agrees. The reality however, remains: the man was a war criminal, because he murdered Jews.

    If you persist it will become clear that you are really trying to perpetuate denialism of the Jewish massacre – and by denialism I mean an unfounded belief that this massacre did not exist for reasons other than the truth of what actually happened.

    Comment by Eric — October 3, 2012 @ 8:32 am

    • Amon Goeth was a “war criminal” by definition because, after World War II ended, the Allies made up new laws, based upon the new principle of “common design.” Under the concept of “common design,” anyone who was present at a location where anyone died, was guilty of that crime by association. During World War II, prisoners who were condemned to be executed, were brought to the nearest camp for execution. Goeth was charged with the deaths of these prisoners, even though he had not ordered their execution.

      Goeth had been in charge of closing several Ghettos and moving the prisoners to a concentration camp. The prisoners, who tried to escape when the Ghettos were closed, were shot by the men who were carrying out the evacuation of the Ghetto. Goeth was charged with the deaths of these prisoners, although he didn’t personally kill them.

      Altogether, Goeth was charged with the murder of around 10,000 prisoners, although he didn’t personally kill any of them. He was convicted of murder and Crimes Against Humanity under the “common design” concept of guilt.

      The winners of World War II were not “war criminals,” even when they had deliberately killed civilians or soldiers who had surrendered. If Allies had been charged with being “war criminals” under the “common design” theory, General Patton would have been charged with the murder of German soldiers in the “Dachau massacre,” because he was the person in charge of the military units which committed this crime. He would have been charged with murder even though he was not there when the crime took place and he had not ordered it.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

    • Using Furtherglory’s logic, I must be a true hero because I’ve saved the lives of thousands of pedestrians by choosing not to run them over in my car.

      Comment by howardheeno — November 7, 2012 @ 9:55 pm

    • “The reality however, remains: the man was a war criminal, because he murdered Jews.”

      Amon Goeth was arrested by the SS Criminal Police for “corruption and brutality” on September 13, 1944 and imprisoned at Breslau.

      Why would a regime allegely exterminating Jews condemn and jail one of his men for brutalities towards jewish prisoners? Senseless, isn’t it? Or maybe this regime wasn’t exterminating jews after all… ;-)

      The camp staff could even not punish prisoners without asking for permission. In all the Nazi concentration camps, the staff had to get permission from headquarters in Oranienburg to punish a prisoner.

      Comment by hermie — January 7, 2013 @ 7:46 am

  31. [...] am blogging about Amon Goeth today in answer to comments made on a previous post about him.  As every school child in America knows, Amon Goeth was the Commandant of the Plaszow [...]

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    • me the way i see it know one man or woman was smart like they are today! i would have been hitlers best buddie and tore his heart out of his chest and ate it while he gasped for air!!!

      Comment by thomas valentino — August 11, 2012 @ 6:23 am

      • Good thinking shame it was not that easy.

        Comment by shona — October 4, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

  32. This link provides selected extracts from the trial of Goeth. The link contains multiple eyewitness accounts of Goeth personally shooting jewish prisoners. It also has an image of the view of the camp from the villa.

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/trials/goeth3.html

    Comment by Peter — July 10, 2012 @ 8:33 am

    • I have answered your comment with a new post in which I have explained that Goeth lived in two different houses. One of these houses might have had a view of the camp, but the house with the balcony did not have a view of the camp.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  33. This sickens me. I have just read the jews being called cowards and shouldn’t be remembered. Amon Goeth being idolised. What the hell?!! Please watch the documentary ‘My Father the Nazi commander’. Its about Goeth and has his daughter Monika talking and Helen a jewish girl who was a servant if you please, and she witnessed him shooting from the balcony.
    Sick, sick people claiming Goeth to not be evil.

    Comment by Kb — July 10, 2012 @ 5:55 am

    • I suggest that you take a trip to Krakow and go to see the location of the Plaszow camp which is just outside the city. Take a tour to see the memorial at the former camp and the house where Amon Goeth allegedly shot prisoners from the balcony. You can see for yourself that the camp was not visible from the balcony of Goeth’s house because there is a hill between the house and the location of the camp. Did Goeth have eyes that could see through a hill and a special rifle that could shoot through a hill?

      Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2012 @ 6:29 am

      • Why is it that you’re so hung up on the fact that Goeth was portrayed in a film as shooting from a balcony of his villa? Does it change any of his other actions just because he actually shot people from a different location than the movie shows? Does it change the fact that he terrorized and massacred people based only on the fact of their nationality and religious beliefs? His actions were driven by a regime hungry for power and Hitler’s personal vendetta against particular groups of people. His villa was re-created closer to the camp site for the movie’s immediate needs. The original villa stands on a densely populated street, in rather close proximity to the homes of many people. Filming there would have been difficult since re-creating the original conditions would have taken much effort, not to mention the inconvenience to those who live directly along the villa. The fact that Goeth opted to take bribes in lieu of an immediate death sentence can hardly be seen as a noble act. If people survived (which many did not) by offering him bribes, then it only speaks to his greed and desire for power. Profiting from the dead and those in danger of losing their lives is abhorrent. Schindler was not exactly a saintly person either. It is understandable that those who were saved because of his direct involvement feel a great gratitude towards him. But no one is denying the fact that he was a Nazi sympathizer, and that his initial intent was to reap profits (just like Goeth) from the misery of others. What separates him from Goeth is that at some point he took steps that compromised his wealth and his safety in order to help protect at least a small group of persecuted individuals. Goeth, on the other hand, was a person who killed and terrorized without scrutiny or mercy. The fact that you believe SS officers like Goeth actually only executed prisoners under higher orders is naive and ignorant of the accounts of the many who crossed his path. My grandfather was one of Goeth’s prisoners in Plaszow. Luckily he survived and was able to eventually resume his life. He and other prisoners were (and few still are) eye-witnesses to Goeth’s daily activities, which did include random and senseless murder. It also seems rather obvious that Goeth would seek official permission to execute Chilowicz, with a strong possibility of a looming investigation. It may have been a good move for Goeth, whose actions would have been “justified” by higher powers. My grandparents survived the war, but rather narrowly. My grandmother’s apartment faced the entrance to the Jewish ghetto in Krakow, and she herself witnessed executions of Jews and others by Nazi firing squads. Although my family is Roman Catholic, they were by no means immune to people like Goeth and the rest of the Nazi occupiers. My grandfather’s experience in Plaszow speaks for itself. No one was safe. Goeth, and others like him, organized random street arrests of innocent civilians who had committed no crime other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. On any given day, at any given time, Nazi soldiers were dispatched in trucks to pick people off the street at random. Their course of action would include blocking off a portion of a street and whoever happen to be caught was ushered onto the truck and dispatched in some unknown direction. Some were sent to labor camps – like Plaszow, – which sought to disguise its true nature as a torturous death camp. Some were sent to work, some died as a result of abuse. Others were shipped to the Reich in order to work in factories and on farms. Labor was in high demand since so many men were off fighting on the fronts. It was only by the grace of some brave German citizens that many survived and were able to go back home after the war. Not all Germans shared Hitler’s vision, and these people often risked their lives to help those in need. All over Europe, in fact, people sheltered and aided fugitives and workers best they could. These are the people you ought to be blogging about. They were some of the true saviors of human lives – not Goeth. A good portion of my life was spent living a mere five-minute drive from where the Plaszow camp once stood. One of my earliest and most common memories was seeing that towering monument on an open field of grass. I didn’t find out what was actually there until I was in elementary school. I have always felt a sickness, and sadness, every time I’ve passed that place. To argue for the “kindness” or “good intentions” of Goeth is down-right insulting and demeaning to the memory of those who suffered and lost their lives because of him. If you take Goeth’s actions outside of the war, he would have been branded a serial killer. He had a choice – like all others who served Hitler. There were people who sacrificed their lives by refusing to act on orders from the fuhrer. Had Goeth been one of them, then, and only then, you can seek some good in the actions of this man. And whatever the initial charges against Goeth were, they are not as relevant as the solid fact that he took direct part in the annihilation of millions of people. He was a war criminal. He committed unforgivable crimes against humanity. Nothing, not a single bribe accepted or other circumstance can change that. I don’t understand why you are even concerned about how Goeth was portrayed in a movie. I feel “Schindler’s List” actually depicted Goeth and the Plaszow camp rather lightly. Things were much, much worse than the movie shows us. Perhaps you ought to be more concerned about those who were butchered there, and not with the butcher himself.

        Comment by n.lades — August 5, 2012 @ 8:37 am

        • jk haha fuckin hate nazi basterds hail to the soviet union for saving the world , but the jews were not in the right in there selfish and greedy ways i feel for the children and the innocent but they werent all innocent

          Comment by amon goeth — August 17, 2012 @ 8:38 am

          • fuck i hate talking bout this shit dont feel comfortable at all with my comments… the holocuast was onehundred percent true to the way hollywood portrays it and amon goeth was a monster that shot jews from his balcony and went and collected the bodys so he could feed them to his german shepard that had developed a taste for jew

            Comment by amon goeth — August 17, 2012 @ 8:44 am

          • Racism is so last year. Jealousy more like it.

            Comment by shona — October 4, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

    • your probly a jew propaganda minister

      Comment by amon goeth — August 17, 2012 @ 8:33 am

      • my name is not goebbels.

        Comment by shona — October 4, 2012 @ 8:18 pm

  34. So tell me Juden. Please tell the world HOW Goerth alledgedly shot jews from his balcony when the CAMP CAN’T EVEN BE SEEN FROM HIS BALCONY because the camp itself is BEHIND A HILL??? Did he have a magic rifle with magic bullets? The picture showing him with a rifle on his balcony does NOT PROVE he ever killed any judens from his balcony (because he COULDN’T), and the picture itself CLEARLY shows him holding a rifle WITHOUT a scope, and all the judens have said he shot random people in the camp from his balcony with a rifle WITH A SCOPE??? Hollywood movies NEVER tell the movie goers the TRUTH about anything, they make movies for entertainment with their own spin of reality and what truly happened. 300,000 Judens RAN AWAY LIKE THE COWARDS THEY ARE and applied for visas to America, Canada and Cuba. America, Canada and Cuba didn’t want Judens either, and less than 100,000 temporary visas was allowed in America and Canada, where 98% stayed illegally AFTER their visas expired, and made fortunes because they didnt have the courage to go back to their own part of the world and FIGHT the Nazis for their freedom. History has LIED about Krystallnacht as well. It has already a PROVEN FACT that a homeless person (There was a WRITTEN REPORT ON THIS) broke into the Reichstag and lit a fire to stay warm and the fire got out of hand and it burned. History has not told the truth about the local Gestapo Commander who DISOBEYED HITLERS ORDERS NOT TO DESTROY JUDEN PROPERTY FOR KRYSTALLNACHT(because he was in an ELECTION MODE and didnt want to be linked to any bad activity) and sent some Brownshirts to set fire to SOME Jewish Synagoges. Out of the about 2000 juden synagoges in Germany at that time only about 700 was VANDELIZED and another 100 BURNED, and that GERMAN Volks AND Judens where battleing the Brownshirts TOGETHER to protect Juden property on Krystallnacht. History also REFUSES to tell the TRUTH that the Judens BOYCOTTED GERMAN GOODS in 1932 (googe it and read it yourselves) and Hitler didn’t like the Juden for that which is why the brownshirts THEN boycotted Juden stores, broke windows and wouldnt allow German people to shop in Juden stores. Im sick and tired of all the whining and crying the Judens have done, and continues to do so to this day about WWII because over 400,000 GERMANS and OTHERS was also sent to camps and died. 50-60 MILLION PEOPLES OF (ALL) NATIONALITIES died in WWII. An ALLEDGED 6 MILLION JUDENS didn’t take a stand and pick up a weapon to FIGHT Nazism, and ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE LED TO THE SLAUGHTER BY (MURDERS AND CRIMINALS) WHO ENJOYED IT and the ones who didn’t get killed or put into camps RAN AWAY LIKE THE COWARDS THEY TRULY ARE TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND STAYED ILLEGALLY. YES it’s sad and tragic that people (from ALL nationalities) including women and children as well as older people was in fact murdered in cold blood by Nazi murderers and criminals who enjoyed it, but the JUDENS RAN AWAY AND DINT DO *ANYTHING* and NOW since the end of WWII, all they do is cry about their cowardous to the world and want everyone to remember THEM. Let’s see OK! 15,000 Judans and others in (any) camp, and ONLY 300 SS guards (NOT ALL SS was MURDERERS) and 15,000 prisoners couldn’t over power 300 guards?????? As I recall Sobibor is the ONLY Concentration camp where the prisoners revolted, over powered the guards and made a break for it. Yes many died in Sobibor but they died escaping to freedom rather then sit and be killed or led to be killed and then cry tot he world about it later because they didnt have courage enough to fight THEMSELVES. So WHY didn’t this happen in any other camps????? Im NOT saying Goerth was a saint as it’s a fact he did kill many people personally (but UPCLOSE) NOT FROM A BALCONY ON A HOUSE THAT CANT EVEN SEE THE CAMP!!!

    Comment by Hanes Klonsroth — April 29, 2012 @ 2:35 am

    • Again, do you really believe what you watch? He went riding on his horse and shot them, and dude, it’s not even “alledged” 6 million, it WAS 6 million and you tell me something, where do you think they would get guns from? if they fought back, they were shot, if they spoke back, they were shot, and I really can’t believe you just said that. And explain to me something, HOW THE FUCK COULD THEY RUN AWAY?! THEY WERE TRAPPED IN A FUCKING GHETTO. *Please excuse my language but this really annoys me* And see quite frankly? They have a right to cry and be upset, they had to watch their families die and yes! they should be remembered, ALL of them. They didn’t deserve that, none of them did. And it wasn’t just the women, children and the frail. It was homosexuals, cripples, communists, poles. And you tell me how they could fight, because last time I checked, they didn’t have guns, or weapons, and SS officers and officials did.

      Comment by Anna — May 27, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

    • I invite you to try and lead a revolt after you have been starved half to death made to walk halfway across germany, and then try and convince your sick and malnutrition-ed brethren to revolt without weapons against fit and healthy guards who have firearms.

      Comment by Leo — June 20, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

    • Hanes Klonsroth, please read “The Jewish Enemy”…this book is a very good illustration how Germany’s elite (Hitler et al) duped,manipulated and controlled a whole nation, illogical ‘logic’. As for Amon Goerth NOT shooting Jews from his balcony. a) the landscape of today is different from that of then. b) outside of his home workers used to have to file past and march daily to where they were put to hard labour, it was at this time that he shot helpless people from his balcony. You see trees and landscape now; but then it was a different picture…it was a hard labour work site that was devoid of landscape and paths were at the front and the back of the villas where the ‘labour force’ marched past at all different times of the day and night. As for the rest of your post….I could go on a tirade as you have done and tear your post to pieces, but I will say that you have obvious racial issues, are in denial of a factual history that does not identify with your fantasist revisionist history. You’re not really worth the energy so won’t go on.

      Comment by mogseyward — July 10, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

    • ‘Juden”Juden’Stephens’JudenE ! what is this? Hollywood?Extraordinarily aggressive and silly. What fantasy do these ideas make possible for you? The man killed thousands, whether from a balcony or not. If he saved people it came from the same economic attitude to human life and fed his own venality. It did not come from respect or compassion or understanding. Why do you need these fantasies to support your ugly and fragile world view?

      Comment by Lenore Stephens — July 19, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

    • You really expand the definition of a fool beyond anything I have yet encountered while asking on this earth. If you hate Jews so much, why would you bother pretending, for instance, crystallnacht was not perpetrated by Nazi thugs? Why would you need to think this nonsense and deny evidence? You must have heard of the ghetto resistance, the plots on Hitler’s life; surely you have heard about the fact that now the Israeli state stands and fights. You really think that is brave? Your world is a fantasy which is no way corresponds to the subtlety and complexity of human lives. You talk about people whining. You should stop undermining real people’s suffering, stop whining and pretending that people should behave like hard bodied robots. Real people are vulnerable and thoughtful, not this macho fantasy of action heroes. Contribute to the world. Stop complaining because the world doesn’t fir your image of it. What is a Jew? You have believed spurious and anti semitic categories. Get a life you small souled racist. Stop ranting and start listening and looking around you.

      Comment by Lenore — July 20, 2012 @ 3:31 am

    • I know you’re addressing your misguided opinions at the Jewish population, but allow me to reply as a non-Jew. Instead, allow me to reply as a grandchild of a survivor of the Plaszow concentration camp. My thoughts are not based on someone’s film depiction of what happened, but rather from the words of someone who was actually there. And hear this: no amount of sifting through “documents” and reports will erase the crimes Goeth, or the Nazis, committed against humanity. Obviously it is well known that not only Jewish persons were needlessly slaughtered in death and “labor” camps. And all those people – Jews included – tried their best to survive in whatever ways they could. You have absolutely no idea, apparently, about history of the people involved. I suggest you open your myopic little eyes a bit wider and educate yourself. You are either very young, or simply very stupid – or perhaps both. Just because Goeth was depicted in a Hollywood – created film as shooting prisoners from his balcony, does not mean this was his sole means of killing. It doesn’t matter that one movie shows Goeth in this particular act. The truth is, he personally shot prisoners (and no, not from his balcony) on a regular basis, for no reason other than to create fear and establish himself as a “powerful” and feared man. It’s almost ridiculous that you’re outraged at the fact Goeth was “inaccurately” portrayed as shooting from a particular place. That has truly no meaning at all. Tell me, please, what would you do if simply by the virtue of your roots, you were hunted like an animal and stripped of your rights? If your family and loved ones were dealt the same hand as those persecuted by the Nazis? To call victims of unimaginable violence “cowards” is a slap in the face to humanity as a whole. My grandparents, and my family were treated as if they were sub-human by the Nazis – and when I say Nazis, I am not referring to the German people as a whole. You cannot hold accountable an entire nation, and its future citizens, for the acts of a specific regime and its participants. But to lash out at those who suffered, and those who died, is truly despicable. I question your humanity here, because it is almost unfathomable to me that anyone would show such blatant ignorance towards a group of people. In your rant you reflect the very sentiments that Nazis used as an excuse for their crimes. It saddens me that people like you exist, and that they perpetuate hate and ignorance. And just because Goeth “spared” people for the sake of money does not, by any means, makes him a savior. It makes him a greedy, heartless, and morally deficient creature. He may have sent people to labor camps instead of an immediate death as a result of his own hunger for money, but that does not make any of this actions any less deplorable. To argue that Jews, or any other persons, are to blame for their demise is sick and shameful. You were not there, and you haven’t the slightest idea of the mental and physical state of those imprisoned. Fear and persecution have the uncanny ability to terrorize to the point of absolute inability to function. It’s easy for you to criticize people for not revolting. You’re sitting comfortably at home, and no one is pressing a gun to your head. So do the rest of the world a favor and refrain from insulting those who experienced horrors which are almost unimaginable. Your statements are embarrassingly juvenile and heartless.

      Comment by n.lades — August 4, 2012 @ 10:37 pm

      • I suggest that you look up Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, the judge that Himmler put in charge of investigating crimes committed by the SS men in the concentration camps. This quote is from Wikipedia:

        Begin Quote:
        Georg Konrad Morgen (8 June 1909 – 4 February 1982) was an SS judge and lawyer who investigated crimes committed in Nazi concentration camps. [...]

        List of men who were indicted by Dr. Morgen after he had investigated them:

        Karl-Otto Koch – Commandant of Buchenwald and Majdanek – executed for the murder of two hospital orderlies who had treated him for syphilis
        Martin Sommer – Buchenwald officer, indicted along with Koch. Transferred to the Russian Front.
        Hauptscharfuehrer Blanck – Buchenwald officer, indicted along with Koch. Unknown.
        Hermann Florstedt – Commandant of Majdanek – executed for murder
        Hermann Hackmann – in charge of protective custody in Majdanek – condemned to death for murder but eventually posted to a penal unit
        Hans Loritz – Commandant of Oranienburg – proceedings initiated on suspicion of arbitrary killing
        Adam Grünewald – Commandant of Herzogenbusch concentration camp – found guilty of maltreatment of prisoners and posted to a penal unit
        Karl Kuenstler – Commandant of Flossenbürg concentration camp – dismissed for drunkenness and debauchery
        Alex Piorkowski – Commandant of the Dachau concentration camp – accused of murder but not sentenced
        Maximilian Grabner – Head of Political Section in Auschwitz – accused of murder but not sentenced.
        Gerhard Palitzsch – Sentenced to prison
        Amon Göth – Sentenced to death and executed by the Polish government after the war.
        Hans Aumeier – Tried, convicted and executed in 1948 by the Polish government.

        End Quote

        Note that the second to last entry on the list is Amon Göth. Note that Göth was not charged with murder by Dr. Morgen. He was arrested and was awaiting trial by the Nazis, on charges of stealing from the warehouses in the camp. Before he could be put on trial in Morgen’s court, the war ended and he was turned over to the Polish government for trial. At the same time that Amon Göth was arrested by Dr. Morgen, Oskar Schindler was also arrested on a charge of helping Göth to hide the stolen goods.

        When he was tried by the Polish government, he was charged with being responsible for the prisoners who were executed in the camp after being charged with a crime. It was the custom to take condemned prisoners to a camp to execute them. Amon Göth did not personally kill prisoners of his own volition. If he had, he would have been charged with that crime by Dr. Morgen.

        Amon Göth is on the list because he was INDICTED by Dr. Morgen, although not tried in his court. He was not indicted for murder.

        Comment by furtherglory — August 5, 2012 @ 7:55 am

        • Just because he wasn’t formally charged with murder does not make him innocent in any way. Like I said, my grandfather was actually in Plaszow. He saw Goeth murdering people. Quoting Wikipedia in this instance is ridiculous. Goeth did not have to execute anyone. He did not have to join the SS. He did not have to participate in the murder of millions. Yet, he chose to do so. And those who knew him, whether personally or as prisoners of him camp, can attest to his sadistic treatment of people. Mulling over documents, especially those concerning an SS judge putting other SS officers on trial, in no way validates your opinions. Perhaps you should have taken the effort really listen to those who lived through Plaszow, or any other camp. Goeth should have absolutely been indited on murder charges, and that is just the beginning. Alas, he was still executed and even that death was too good for him. Your comments are not only poorly supported and lack any critical insight, but they are hurtful and incredibly ignorant.

          Comment by n.lades — August 5, 2012 @ 8:57 am

    • YOU ARE A STUPID MAN.Helen Hirsh explains how he shot them in the documentary with Goeths daughter.Prisoners/Jews were marched past the house at the rear on the balcony side.Julius madritsch had a workshop in Plazow and a factory in Krakow.Madritsh was an Austrian and was a kind man like Osker Schindler.Helen Hirsch the maid in Goeths villa explains that the Jews were marched past the house in the direction of Madritschs workshop and factory.This was at the rear of the house /balcony side between the house and the hill you talking about.Not in the camp itself but marching by the house,they were shot .from his balcony.You must remember that the villa has two balconies .one at the top and one at ground level where he is photographed with the rifle.

      Comment by mr scott — September 29, 2012 @ 10:10 am

    • Easy to say unless you were there.

      Comment by shona — October 4, 2012 @ 8:28 pm

    • listen to the survivors stories……..

      Comment by john — February 4, 2013 @ 2:15 am

  35. No, Oskar Schindler was a real person, yes Schindler’s list was based on the novel but the novel was based on a true story!
    You forgot the part when he went riding on his horse and shot folk aswell, tell me something, are all the people who said he shot them lying? Did they just make it up? They witnessed it! There has been countless reports about Goeth shooting people and see to be honest? That man should of taken the bullet in the first place than killing all the Jewish people that died that day. If that man had any compassion or guilt for what he was doing then quite frankly, take the bullet. It would have still happened anyway but he wouldn’t of died a coward, or a murder.

    Comment by Annie — April 28, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

    • I know that Oskar Schindler was a real person and that the movie was based on a novel. I know that the novel was based on a true story, but some parts of the true story were left out and some parts that were not true were added. If the book had been the truth, and nothing but the truth, it would not have been classified as a novel.

      I read the transcripts from the trial of Amon Goeth on this website: http://holocaustresearchproject.net/trials/goeth1.html

      I did a search of the three pages about the transcript and did not find anything about Amon Goeth shooting people as he was riding his horse. Amon Goeth was arrested by the SS, which was not mentioned in the movie. He was arrested because he was stealing from the camp. Oskar Schindler was arrested at the same time because he was helping Goeth to store the stuff that he had stolen.

      When Goeth was arrested by the SS, he was not charged with murdering the prisoners. If he had killed any of the prisoners, without an order to execute them, he would have been arrested by the SS. Five Commandants of the camps were arrested by the SS and put on trial. Two of the Commandants were executed by the SS because of crimes committed in the camps. If Amon Goeth had committed any crimes in the camps, he would have been arrested by the SS for murder. He was only arrested for stealing from the camp.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 28, 2012 @ 6:20 pm

    • After Amon Goeth was arrested by the Nazis for stealing from the camps, he was taken to a hospital because he was suffering from a severe case of diabetes. Wild fluctuations in blood sugar can cause a person to have emotional outbursts and fits of anger. When he was not suffering from abnormal blood sugar episodes, he was known to be a charming, highly-cultured man who had good manners, loved music, and wrote poetry. That’s why Oskar Schindler was a friend of his and that’s why he was able to live with a beautiful woman, who was a former movie actress. She was loyal to him until the end, and even stayed with him at Bad Tölz where he was sent for treatment of diabetes. He was captured by the Allies, after the war, while he was at the hospital.

      Oskar Schindler escaped from his sub-camp in the last days of the war because he knew that he would be arrested as a war criminal. He was not arrested because the Jews, that he had saved, protected him.

      In his first sub-camp at Krakow, Oscar Schindler was only interested in making money; he couldn’t have cared less about the Jews who were working for him. This changed after he realized that Germany was losing the war and he would be put on trial as a war criminal because he was using the unpaid labor of concentration camp prisoners. That’s why he bribed the Nazis to allow him to have another sub-camp. This time, he made sure that the Jews were well taken care of. His wife did all the work, while Schindler himself did nothing but drink.

      The Jews thought that they would have been sent to the gas chamber if Schindler had not opened a new factory where they could work. That’s why they were very grateful to Schindler and supported him for the rest of his life. Without the financial support of the Jews, who had worked in his new sub-camp, Schindler could not have made it on his own because, by then, he was a hopeless drunk.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 29, 2012 @ 8:48 am

      • You are so ignorant.

        Comment by shona — October 4, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  36. I’m sorry but do you really believe everything you watch? Schindler’s list was how SCHINDLER saved Jewish Labor Camp workers, it was never a plot to save his own skin, he went bankrupted by bribing SS officials to keep his work force when really what he was trying to do was save them from being shipped on the first train to a death camp. You’ve not got any evidence either, from the survivors at Plaszow and also his maid – all have reported saying that he sat from his balcony with a rifle and shot camp workers. And no, he didn’t “liquidate” the Ghetto, he liquidated it, no quotation marks dude, he did, evidence is clear from letters with his signature on it that he did. And also, he GAVE the order to liquidate the Ghetto, that is why he got charged with all those murders, even if he didn’t shoot them or not, HE GAVE THE ORDER. And what now? You gonna tell me that Hitler never gassed any of the Jews so the Holocaust isn’t real? Amon Goeth was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, even if he hadn’t of killed them himself, he still gave the order.

    Learn about your history before you make a blog promoting how amazing Amon Goeth is.

    Comment by Annie — April 28, 2012 @ 9:01 am

    • Amon Goeth did not have the authority to ORDER the liquidation of a ghetto. This quote is from this website, which is not a Holocaust denier website: http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ghettos/krakow/krakow.html

      Begin Quote:
      On 13 March 1943 the commander of the SS and Police in Krakow district, SS Oberfuhrer Julian Scherner issued the order for the liquidation of the ghetto.

      It was to be carried out in two phases on 13 March (Saturday) Ghetto ‘A’ was liquidated and about 6000 residents were deported to the labour camp in Plaszow.

      On 14 March(Sunday) Ghetto ‘B’ where the non-working – the elderly, the sick and children aged up to 14 was liquidated. Approximately 3,000 people were killed during this Aktion. Some of them were loaded into lorries and sent to Auschwitz – this was the only mass transport of Jews from Krakow to Auschwitz concentration camp.

      The Aktion was supervised by SS Sturmbannfuhrer Willi Haase, the Chief of Staff of the SS and Police for Krakow district and SS Untersturmfuhrer Amon Göth.
      End Quote

      I have been to see the house where Amon Goeth lived. He could not have shot prisoners from his balcony because the camp was not visible from his balcony. His house was behind a hill that was between the house and the camp.

      Schindler bribed the SS to allow him to set up a new sub-camp near his home town after he was forced to close half of his Krakow sub-camp, which was near the Plaszow camp. Schindler wanted to set up a new sub-camp so that he could take some Jews with him and treat them well so that they would put in a good word for him if and when he was arrested for being the Commandant of his Krakow sub-camp, which was a war crime.

      Amon Goeth did not have the authority to order the deaths of prisoners at the Plaszow camp. Prisoners who had been condemned to death were brought to Plaszow to be executed and there was nothing that Goeth could do to stop it except refuse to obey orders which would have caused him to have been executed himself. Schindler made a lot of money in his Krakow sub-camp. He used this money to buy extra food and medicine for the Jews in his new sub-camp and also to buy munitions on the black market which he sold to the SS as munitions made in the factories of his new sub-camp. He did all this for himself, not for the Jews. As a result, the Jews saved him from being put on trial as a war criminal.

      The Jews who got on Schindler’s List had to bribe the Jewish prisoner who was in charge of the list. Most of them were not the Jews who worked in Schindler’s sub-camp in Krakow.

      The movie Schindler’s List is based on a NOVEL. The movie is fiction, just like the novel, which is fiction.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 28, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  37. Amon Goeth is without a doubt one of the most despicable people that has ever lived.
    He accepted bribes from the Jews to “save their life,” he had no interest in saving their lives (as they were not human to him), his only concern was the money. He never watched after those that he accepted money from, made sure they had enough to eat, or that they were not harmed by any other soldiers. He accepted their money so they would have the slightest chance to survive and his pockets would grow fat in the meantime.
    He could never be compared with Oskar Schindler, as he watched over the people he was committed to saving. He went penniless in the process. There was nothing in it for him, accept sheer humility.

    Comment by casey — April 27, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

    • Oskar Schindler was trying to save his own life. He was in charge of a sub-camp of Plaszow, which made him a war criminal. He bribed the Nazis to let him set up another sub-camp so that he could get some Jews to testify in his favor. This saved him from being put on trial by the Allies. Schindler and Goeth were buddies. Two peas in a pod. Schindler was arrested at the same time that Goeth was arrested.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 27, 2012 @ 2:16 pm

    • Because of oskar schindler there is hope and future generations.

      Comment by shona — October 4, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  38. if i was you i would write to the pope and have him made a saint as you think he is so wonderful.
    as for sending them to labour camps instead of death camps,bless him.Most people died in labour camps,they wernt butlins you know.Just a slow painful death,instead of being gassed,he was so kind.

    Comment by nick — April 16, 2012 @ 12:29 pm

  39. [...] of my most popular blog posts was about how Amon Goeth saved Jews from the ghettos in the Lublin area by taking bribes from them in exchange for not sending them to [...]

    Pingback by “In Darkness” a new Holocaust film opening soon at a theater near you « Scrapbookpages Blog — February 19, 2012 @ 8:56 am

  40. Have you actually taken the time to read court transcripts and the book Schindler’s List? Not just base your arguements on Wikipedia and the Schindler’s List movie. Goeth shot people for peeling potatoes wrong, or not grooming every last flea off his dogs. Schindler killed no one.

    Comment by kelly — January 31, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  41. ” The truth is always so much stanger than fiction. ” – Duke of Hamilton

    Comment by ttrfg — December 9, 2011 @ 2:17 am

  42. OSKAR SCHINDLER IS A GOOD MAN

    Comment by Alyssa Smi — November 24, 2011 @ 10:32 am

  43. I have found two Google photos of the real Amon Goeth on his balcony holding a rifle. What was he using the rifle for, shooting at birds?
    While Goeth may have saved a few lives by diverting Jews to forced labor camps, wouldn’t they have been granted just a few more months to live given that those camps were notorious for starvation rations and living conditions comfortable only to rats?
    Furtherglory: Schindler’s motivation appears to have been humanitarian; Goeth’s was material greed. Any lives saved by Goeth would have been accidental. He deserves no credit whatsoever.

    Comment by Bryant — March 10, 2011 @ 9:53 am

    • Schindler’s motive was to save himself from being put on trial as a war criminal. His factory was a sub-camp of the Plaszow camp. When the prisoners at Plaszow were transferred to the Gross-Rosen camp, he opened a new factory that was a sub-camp of Gross-Rosen. As the person in charge of a sub-camp, he was a war criminal. He knew that the Allies had already decided to put the staff members of the camps on trial, so he knew that he would be tried as a war criminal. He wanted to use his new factory to save Jews so that they would put in a good word for him. That’s why he asked the Jews to write a letter for him before he left to avoid being arrested.

      I read a book by a survivor of the Plaszow camp who wrote that one of the prisoners in the camp was released and he was given back the clothes that he was wearing when he arrived at the camp. The clothes didn’t fit him because he had gained weight while he was a prisoner.

      Goeth’s house was in an open area that had only three or four houses. Yes, he was using his rifle to shoot at birds.

      Both Schindler and Goeth were motivated by material greed. Schindler came to Poland because he wanted to make money off the occupation of Poland by the Germans. He made lots of money, then spent it all to buy extra food for the Jews in his factory and to buy medicine for them when they were sick. He allegedly made munitions in his factory that were no good and then purchased munitions on the black market to sell to the Nazis. He did this to get on the good side of the Jews so that they would protect him from being prosecuted as a war criminal.

      Comment by furtherglory — May 12, 2011 @ 8:13 pm

      • are you serious the evil that came out of hatred and greed is plain as can be you said you read where a pow came out of this camp and got his cloths back anc gained weight lol come on that is so much a lie millons of people died cause of the german war and there was so much denial that people canter see the truth even in black and white and there are still people being killed to this day for the same insane genocide that cause tue jews to suffer from look at rowanda and darfur and u can say that amon Goethe was no demon come on his evil still runs wild on this earth it just hides in a new vessel open your eyes

        Comment by nalaerog1969@gmail.com — January 2, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

        • The “lie” that a non-Jewish prisoner “came out of this camp and got his cloths (sic) and (had) gained weight” was written by a Jewish survivor of the Plaszow camp who published a book about her time in the camp. She claimed to have written this book while she was a prisoner in the camp and that she had asked the prisoner who was released to sneak her manuscript out of the camp. Goethe was Germany’s most famous poet and writer. The commandant of the Plaszow camp was named Amon Goeth. Amon Goeth also wrote poetry, but he is more famous for shooting prisoners at random from his balcony which was behind a hill and not visible from the camp.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 3, 2012 @ 6:47 am

          • Amon Goethe shot inmates from the camp as they marched past his house. If you look at the camp now you will see beautiful landscape that the Goethe house looked over; during the time of the operation of the camp there was a road running in front of the house and at the back of the house. It was an open mud splattered building site, bereft of vegetation, open landscape where barracks were being built. The inmates used to be run by his house at all times during the day and THAT’S when he used to shoot.

            Comment by mogseyward — July 11, 2012 @ 1:24 am

          • And what is the name of that ex-prisoner, or the title of the book? I would love to see that book you are talking about, but I bet you “forgot”…especially that anyone knowing ANYTHINg about Nazi camps knows it CAN’T be true!

            Comment by Deamon — February 11, 2013 @ 3:55 pm

            • This was a book that I borrowed from the library. Most of the books that I have read about the Holocaust are books that I purchased and I still have them. I don’t remember the title of the book. I do remember reading that a prisoner in the camp was released and his clothes, that he wore when he entered the camp, did not fit him because he had gained weight. The author of the book said that she gave him her manuscript to carry out of the camp when he was released.

              In the movie Schindler’s List, prisoners are shown bringing food into the camp, specifically a live chicken. Why is it so hard to believe that a prisoner gained weight while at Plaszow?

              Comment by furtherglory — February 11, 2013 @ 5:21 pm

  44. This complicated blog is rather unnecessary, considering that:

    1. Auschwitz and Belzec were not “death camps” and there were no gas chambers there. Perhaps the Jews believed there were and were anxious not to go there, but Amon Goeth must have known there weren’t, and Schindler too.

    2. None of these sources are reliable. No doubt the bribery and war profiteering went on, and those who come out looking the best are the National Socialist party guys — Himmler and Morgen, who were trying to run a clean organization.

    Comment by Sceptic — June 5, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

    • I think that Amon Goeth believed that Belzec was a “death camp.” There were no barracks for prisoners and no factories at Belzec. The Jews who went there were never seen again. Goeth knew that Plaszow was a labor camp where Jews would not be killed, so he took bribes from them to save them from being sent to a place from which they would never return. He deserves as much credit for saving Jews as Oskar Schindler.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2010 @ 10:06 am

      • And your sole justification for this is that “he wasn’t charged with any individual murder.” That is your entire basis for this claim? So the fact that hundreds of people testified to witnessing Goeth murder hundreds of unarmed civilians, and the fact that Goeth himself admitted to murdering “a few” people is irrelevant? The very facts that refute your point. Hmm, well that’s convenient and absolutely genius!

        Goeth was a mass murderer. No amount of denial by you will make that change. Schindler murdered no one. Winner: Schindler by a Hollywood mile.

        Every child in the world should be shown this movie so they can know the truth: Goeth was a murderer and Schindler wasn’t.

        Comment by Conor — September 22, 2013 @ 5:26 pm

        • “hundreds of people” did NOT testify at Amon Goeth’s trial. Two or three people testified at his trial.

          Executions took place in all the concentration camps. The people that were executed were brought to the camp for that purpose. Goeth was held RESPONSIBLE for these executions by the Allies, under a new legal concept that did not exist until AFTER the war. This was known as the “common plan” charge which meant that anyone who had any connection with a concentration camp whatsoever was guilty of a war crime.

          Goeth was charged with a crime for being a member of the Waffen-SS and a member of the Nazi party. This was a new crime that was made up by the allies, but Goeth was charged with this crime BEFORE being a member of the SS and a member of the Nazi party was officially a crime.

          You can read more about Amon Goeth on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Plaszow/Plaszow03A.html

          This quote is from my website:
          Begin quote
          After World War II ended, the American military turned Amon Goeth over to the Polish government for prosecution as a war criminal. He was brought before the Supreme National Tribunal of Poland in Krakow. His trial took place between August 27, 1946 and September 5, 1946. Goeth was charged with being a member of the Nazi party and a member of the Waffen-SS, Hitler’s elite army, both of which had been designated as criminal organizations by the Allies after the war. His crimes included the charges that he had taken part in the activities of these two criminal organizations. The crime of being a Nazi applied only to Nazi officials, and Goeth had never held a job as a Nazi official. In fact, at the time of Goeth’s conviction by the Polish court, the judgment against the SS and the Nazi party as criminal organizations had not yet been made by the Nuremberg IMT.
          End Quote

          Schindler’s List is a fictional movie, based on a novel. It is not true history.

          Comment by furtherglory — September 23, 2013 @ 8:03 am

    • Yes, there were gas chambers. You haven’t been there , have you? there are piles of cans that were used for the gas chamber

      Comment by 구미호 — May 12, 2011 @ 3:01 pm

      • The gas chambers at Belzec did not use Zyklon-B so there was no pile of cans there. The gas chambers at Belzec used carbon monoxide.

        There were piles of cans at Auschwitz. The cans of Zyklon-B were used both for the gas chambers and for the disinfection chambers where the clothes were disinfected to kill the lice that spread typhus. If you go on a tour of Auschwitz, you will not be shown the disinfection chambers.

        Comment by furtherglory — May 12, 2011 @ 8:18 pm

    • wow, some of these posts of denial of the holocaust is so overwhelming. However you’ve been brainwashed, and by whomever, you seriously need to stand back, do research with an open mind, talk to survivors and those guards that are still alive today that plead ‘I was ordered’. The whole world recognises the holocaust, the ordinary allied soldiers of liberation, the POW’s, British, US and Russian, that had to march past the main barracks tried to save the lives of the Jewish inmates by passing small pieces of food to them as they passed each other. The deniers of the holocaust imply a world wide conspiracy that involves millions of people…ludicrous.

      Comment by mogseyward — July 11, 2012 @ 1:21 am

  45. that is crule to people what hittler did.

    Comment by corey — June 3, 2010 @ 6:50 am

    • yes it is Yoda.

      Comment by Todd — August 9, 2012 @ 12:22 pm


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