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March 27, 2010

Elie Wiesel — Holocaust survivor # A7713?

On March 25, 2010, Elie Wiesel spoke to students at the University of Dayton in Ohio as reported by the Dayton Daily News.

Here is a quote from the Dayton Daily News article:

One student wondered if Wiesel still has his concentration camp number and if it serves as a reminder of those terrible experiences.

“I don’t need that to remember, I think about my past every day,” he responded. “But I still have it on my arm – A7713. At that time, we were numbers. No names, no identity.”

At the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp where Elie Wiesel says he was a prisoner from May 1944 to January 1945, the Jews, who were chosen to work, had an identification number tattooed on their arm. The Jews who arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau in May 1944 were tattooed with a number preceded by the letter A.

After a few weeks in quarantine at Auschwitz, Elie Wiesel says that he and his father were sent to Auschwitz III, aka Monowitz, to work in a factory.  When the prisoners were evacuated from Monowitz on January 18, 1945, Elie says that he and his father were taken to the Buchenwald concentration camp. All incoming prisoners at Buchenwald were given a new and different identification number. Elie Wiesel has never revealed his Buchenwald ID number; he has also never allowed the tattoo on his arm to be photographed.

In the last couple of years, Elie Wiesel has been accused  by Miklos Grüner, of being an imposter who stole the identity of another prisoner who arrived at Auschwitz in May 1944 and was transferred to Buchenwald in January 1945. Grüner has documentation to prove that he himself is a survivor of both Auschwitz and Buchenwald; he has identified himself as one of the prisoners in the famous Buchenwald photo below.

Miklos Grüner claims he is the prisoner shown in the lower left hand corner in Barracks #56

Here is another quote from the article in the Dayton Daily News:

When asked what he would say to a Holocaust denier, Wiesel said he would say nothing. “I don’t want to be in the same room with a Holocaust denier. They are morally deranged.”

Carlo Mattogno is a famous “Holocaust denier” who could be said to fit Elie’s epithet “morally deranged.” Yesterday,  Mattogno published a shocking blog post in which he quoted from the following document:

6)  A letter from the director of the Auschwitz Museum, Kazimierz Smoleń, to Mrs. Eva Kor, founder of CANDLES (Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiments Survivors), dated 15 March 1987, where it is said, under point 2:

“In the concentration camp of Auschwitz a Mr. Lazar Weisel was given A-7713. He was born 4/9/13. He was a Jew from Hungary, born at Marmarossiget. This particular prisoner arrived in Auschwitz 5/24/44. He was there til [sic] the end of 1944 in KL Auschwitz III called Monowitz. Towards the end of the evacuation he was transferred to KL Buchenwald. He was registered there on the day of 1/26/45”

So Mr. Lazar Weisel (the last name might be misspelled) from Marmarossiget (Sighet) was given the Auschwitz number A-7713, the number that Elie has claimed for years is his Auschwitz number?

Elie’s full name is Eliezer Wiesel and he was born in Sighet, Romania (Marmarossiget) which was a part of Hungary in 1944.  Elie claims he was born on September 30, 1928 and that he was an orphan, living in Barrack #66, the orphan’s barrack at Buchenwald, when he was liberated in 1945.

Lazar Weisel was born on 4/9/13 and arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau on 5/24/44.  In his famous book, “Night,” Elie Wiesel did not mention his date of arrival at Birkenau.

Note that this letter was sent from the Auschwitz Museum, where the records of the former prisoners are stored, to Mrs. Eva Kor, who is a well known survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau.  We know that Eva Kor is a real Holocaust survivor because there are photos of her taken in Birkenau after the camp was liberated. Elie Wiesel claims that he is in the famous Buchenwald photo shown above, but he also wrote that he was in the hospital at Buchenwald on the date that the photo was taken.

Caro Mattogno also published this document on his blog:

7)  A letter from the Auschwitz Museum to Miklós Grüner dated 7 July 2003 which states that detainee ID A-7713 appears in a list of the SS Hygiene Institute dated 7 December 1944-Monowitz and giving the following data:

A-11104 Grüner Miklos, Hungarian Jew, born on 6 April 28 at Nyiregyhaza

A-7712 Viesel Abram, born on 10 October 1900 at Marmarosz

A-7713 Wiesel Lazar, born on 4 September 1913 in Marmarossziget, Schlosser (locksmith)

So Miklos Grüner was barely 17 when the famous photo in Barrack #56 at Buchenwald was taken. There are records of Grüner being a prisoner at both Auschwitz and Buchenwald.  But who is this guy Viesel Abram?  Elie Wiesel has claimed that his father was number A-7712 at Auschwitz.  Could this be his father? And number A-7713 is Lazar Wiesel. Could this be Elie Wiesel?

According to the research done by Carlo Mattogno, there was yet a third person — Lázár Wiesel. Note the different spelling of the first name.  Lázár Wiesel filled out a US Army questionaire on 22 April 1945 at Buchenwald; he stated on the questionaire that he was born at Màromarossziget on 4 October 1928; he was a student who was arrested on 16 April 1944 and interned at Auschwitz and Monowitz. Note that he was born in 1928, the same year as Elie Wiesel, but not on the same day.

Mattogno wrote on his blog that the records at the Buchenwald Gedenkstätte (Memorial Site) show that  Lázár Wiesel was sent to Paris on 16 July 1945 with a convoy of surviving children and is registered on the respective list. Mattogno asks: Is this Lázár Wiesel the writer Elie Wiesel?

Buchenwald orphans on a transport train to Paris

Lázár Wiesel’s Auschwitz number is unknown, but it is not A7713 because that number was assigned to Lazar Wiesel.  Lazar Wiesel’s name was on the transport list from Auschwitz to Buchenwald, but the name Lázár Wiesel was not.  That doesn’t mean that Lázár was never at Auschwitz. He could have been sent, from Auschwitz, to some other camp, such as Gross Rosen, and then sent to Buchenwald when Gross Rosen, or whatever other camp, was evacuated.

In 2008, Eric Hunt was put on trial in California after he accosted Elie Wiesel in a hotel and attempted to interview him.  On his blog post, Carlo Mattogno quoted from Elie Wiesel’s trial testimony as follows:

Q. And is this book Night that you wrote a true account of your experience during World War II?

A. It is a true account. Every word in it is true.

[...]

Q. And what was your – what day were you born in Sighet, Romania?

A. September 30th, 1928.

[...]

Q. And what [number] was tattooed on your left arm?

A. My number was A7713. My father’s number was 7712.

So Elie swore under oath that he was # A7713 and his father was # 7712.

Buchenwald library where the records are kept

Anyone can go to the Buchenwald research library where the camp archives are kept, and look up the records of the former prisoners.  Or one can write to the Buchenwald Memorial Site and ask for a copy of the record of a prisoner in the former Buchenwald concentration camp. The archives are open to anyone, for a fee.  You don’t have to be a Holocaust survivor to look up someone in the records.

According to the research done by Carlo Mattogno, there is a record in the Buchenwald archives which says that  Lazar Wiesel, born at Maromarossiget on 4 September 1913, an apprentice locksmith, political detainee and Hungarian Jew, was registered at Buchenwald on 26 January 1945 and assigned the ID number 123565. There is also some information concerning Lázár Wiesel, (note difference in spelling) born 4 October 1928, ID Number 123165 at Buchenwald.

So there were two different people, with similar names, who were both at Auschwitz and later at Buchenwald.  Each of them had an ID number at Buchenwald. Could Elie Wiesel have borrowed the identity of both of these people and combined them into his own identity as a survivor of Auschwitz and Buchenwald?

Elie Wiesel has never mentioned his Buchenwald ID number.  Anyone who wants to know his ID number can write to the Buchenwald Memorial Site and ask for his number.

I did one more search on Elie Wiesel and found a post on The Daily Beast in which Elie did an interview with Jonathan Mahler.  Here is a quote from the interview:

When my father was born, it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. When I was born, it was Lithuania. When I left, it was Hungary. It is difficult to say where I come from. Historically, I come from Jewish history. I had the classic upbringing in the Yeshiva, learning, learning, and more learning.

As I’m sure you know, in Lithuania the Hungarians were the last to be deported. They were the last community and I am angry that they were the only community that couldn’t be saved. Literally, they were the only community that couldn’t be saved, Hungarian Jews.

Nobody told us [that the Jews would be deported]. If they had, in my case, my father surely would have followed the urgings of our maid, a marvelous English lady. She told him, “come to the mountains and I’ll take care of you.” But we didn’t know. Five-hundred-thousand or more, much more, were deported in six to eight weeks, and close to 500,000, were killed. Gassed and burned in that small period.

I was deported at the end of May 1944. When we arrived at Auschwitz, my father looked out the window, a small hole in a cattle car, and saw the name Auschwitz and didn’t know what it meant. That’s really what happened to us… We were eventually liberated by the American army and then I came to France. That’s more or less the beginning.

Is Elie getting senile?  He was born in Lithuania?  I think he means Rumania (Romania).

Ken Waltzer, a professor and director of Jewish Studies at Michigan State University is currently writing a book about the orphans at Buchenwald.  In an interview that was published on this web site, he said the following:

Among the older boys was Eliezer Wiesel from Sighet, Rumania, who was protected in block 66 with hundreds of others. He later became a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

This story is largely unknown. I hope to tell it honestly, and with attention to detail, drawing on the voices and memories of many of these Buchenwald boys who today are men in their late seventies as well as the documentary evidence now available from the Red Cross International Tracing Service archive and other sources.

So Waltzer will be providing the “documentary evidence” from the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross, which has been put online by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. These records will show whether or not Elie Wiesel is telling the truth about his time at Monowitz and at Buchenwald.

Anyone who is a Holocaust survivor, or a family member of a survivor,  can access the records at the USHMM online, but non-survivors will have to go to the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC in person in order to get access to the records from the International Tracing Service.

36 Comments »

  1. None of these guys have read the book. What you say is false accusations. He was in block 36 in Auschwitz

    Comment by Ryan — February 13, 2013 @ 8:22 pm

    • I didn’t know that Elie was in block 36, so I had to look it up. I found this website
      http://revblog.codoh.com/2010/02/elie-wiesel-the-most-authoritative-living-witness-of-the-shoah/ which mentions Block 36. This quote is from the website:

      Begin Quote:
      However, Primo Levi was assigned to Block 30 [32], then to Block 45 [33] and finally to Block 48.[34] Which Block was Wiesel’s? The answer is not as simple as that. Initially, Wiesel speaks of «the orchestra block»[35] which was, indeed, near the door of the camp (p. 60), then he mentions Block 36 a couple of times: «with all my might I began to run to block 36» (p. 84), «I ran to block 36» (p. 87) without telling us whether he eventually stayed there, finally he says clearly that he stayed in Block 57 (p. 96). In fact, Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi were never housed in the same barrack. A little white lie right in the middle of Montecitorio, right smack in the face of so many listeners!
      End Quote

      So Elie did mention block 36 several times in his book Night, but it is not clear whether he actually stayed in block 36 at Auschwitz III, aka Monowitz.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2013 @ 6:41 am

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  3. I used to be like an above poster. My grandfather helped liberate a couple of camps in WW2. He said inmates were so malnourished that when American soldiers gave them food, they would die.

    Once, a bunch of internet posters were discussing holocaust stuff, and ganging up on somebody who had doubts. I joined them in attacking the doubter. I told them the story my grandfather told me, and I was called a neonazi. It seems what my grandfather told is a supposed neonazi lie called “Death by a Meal”, which means people died of malnutrition in the camps after supplies became unavailable after we bombed German railroads, not from gas chambers.

    I’ve done a lot of research since then, because I know my grandfather was telling the truth. I’ve also known real survivors, that had tattoos. Elie Wiesel is a fraud. “The Holocaust” is a gross exaggeration designed to justify the theft of Palestine. Most of the “dead Jews” immigrated to America or Russia. The fact that if I lived in Europe I would go to jail for posting this should tell you something.

    The Jewish Nation declared war on Germany in 1933. Hitler treated them as enemy noncomabatants and interned them in work camps, just like Roosevelt did with the Japanese in WW2. The Germans were starving by the end, so no food for the prisoners. Would we have treated the interned Japanese any differently?

    If people knew how the 6 million figure was derived, they would be shocked. I always assumed they counted six million dead bodies or something. Wrong. It was largely war time propaganda, designed to help Zionists and make the fact that Roosevelt gave Eastern Europe to Stalin less despicable.

    I challenge anyone disagreeing with me to read the writings of a man who was there, Douglas Reed. The Controversy of Zion is the best book I’ve read on this topic, and I’ve read many.
    It’s available free on line, but you won’t read it. Jews need The Holocaust. Hate, human soap, lampshades and all.

    Comment by PJ — November 18, 2011 @ 5:37 pm

    • I don’t know how you could say that it was an exaggeration, how would you like it to be one of the Jews in the concentration camps. I mean, haven’t you seen the pictures!!! The “dead Jews” didn’t migrate to America or Russia, they were killed by the Germans. How could you even say that they weren’t?!?! You are disrespecting the people that lost their lives if you say that!!!!

      Comment by Jessica — December 3, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

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  5. If The Holocaust Didn’t really happen Which We Know It Did The How Do You Explain the Photos,Videos and Museums?Elie Wiesel This Book Brought Me To tears After Reading It.Who’s to say you’re an imposter?We Weren’t There and Even thought Of As A Matter of Fact.The Survivors of the holocaust are the only links we have of knowing what TRULY Happened During That Time.So Why Would people Deny Such a Thing is Beyond Me.
    “Night” Is one Of The Best Holocaust Books.

    Comment by Naz — November 9, 2011 @ 5:28 pm

  6. Is there any way u can send me something about what happen. Ever since I learned about the holocaust in schooli have been interested in it. Anything I can find I would read and keep, but now I can because I have no computer or anything like that. I lost my job. I love learning more about The Holocaust. My senior year in highschool went to the museum in Washington D.C. When I first walked in I felt sadness. When I was walking around I was reading stuff off of the wall, and looking how the people had to live back then in camps. The more I read the more I was getting mad, and crying. When I watched Daniels story at the museum. My heart felt so heavy with sadness, hateful, disappointed in man kind. Im so sorry for what all of the people in the Holocaust went through. Thank you for your time. Your friend Jennifer

    Comment by Jennifer Amos — July 22, 2011 @ 3:00 pm

  7. People- please respect the holocaust! That was a terrible thing, my Jewish ancestors escaped just before the war started. I would not doubt this man’s story, and I would not doubt it for a minute. This man has obviously seen horrors that I would never want my mind to see, let alone imagine. I don’t think anyone should disprove what he has written. Part of his family died- leave him in peace. I believe every word of his book- it brought tears to my eyes and made me think of how lucky I am for not having to go through anything like that. I wish everyone in the world could here Elie Wiesel’s story.
    Бог Благословляет!

    Comment by Bella Romanov — May 17, 2011 @ 6:12 am

  8. im sorry you had to go through this elie wiesle i realy hope this never happens again i was taught somthing when i read your book i will never forget what happened

    Comment by steven salyers — May 5, 2011 @ 5:51 pm

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  10. You people are a bunch of idiots. Dont try to prove that the holocaust didnt happen or that Elie is a lier. You all are morally bankrupt individuals who will stop at nothing to bastardize the little remaining history we have left in the world.

    Comment by mark — April 12, 2011 @ 2:33 pm

    • Of course the holocaust happened. Just because people study it and disagree on some of it’s aspects, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. But tell me something, Mark, do you throw such a pubescent tissy if people argue over the Bolshevik Holocaust; the Native American Holocaust; the Holocaust carried out on natives all over the world during colonial period; the holocaust of Africans during the slave trade? It seems that those atrocities can be kicked around and discussed at any length, or even denied, and no-one gives a damn. I think all history needs to be discussed and weighed against the evidence, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, and you need to lighten up a bit. And if you’re going to be calling people “liars”, you might want to learn how to spell it properly.

      Comment by John Doe — May 4, 2011 @ 7:02 am

    • thank you for telling them i mean how the hell would somthing like this be fake i mean explain all the deaths and the germans and the almost world domination

      Comment by steven salyers — May 5, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

  11. In 1976 when I got out of the army, I went to work for a Jewish man north of Redding CA. He owned a ranch in Redding and a big motel in southern CA. He claimed to be a Survivor and told me his story. He said that as a child he was in the Warsaw Ghetto as a orphan. He said that he used the underground sewer lines to sneak in and out of of the Ghetto to steal food and other things from the Germans, which he brought back into the Ghetto for the other prisoners. He told me that he was in the Ghetto when the final small war erupted with between the resistors and the Germans, and that he escaped through the sewers. He then went on to tell of how he snuck out of Poland, across Germany, into France, where he caught some kind of boat to England. From England he said that he made it to New York, all as a 12 year old boy. He said that when in New York he was cared for for a few days by a charity that gave him a pair of shoes and then turned him loose on the street to fend for himself. He nearly cried when he told me how he got a new pair of shoes from the charity, that he was so proud of them that he just hung them around his neck by the laces and didn’t wear them because they were the first pair of shoes he had ever had. He told me that he had never ever been in a concentration camp.

    But guess what, kids, he also showed me the number that was tattooed on his left forearm. The problem is, only inmates of Auschwitz were tattooed. The people living in the Warsaw Ghetto were not given tattoos. He lied to me. He lied to many people. He had his story down pat and told it like a pro, but I have no idea if any of it was true. It is sad that a person would do something like that, but people did do it. You can’t always believe the stories you hear, especially if a person charges 25,000 to speak and needs a chauffeured limo to boot.

    Comment by Loren Franklin — June 26, 2010 @ 6:51 pm

  12. http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/HOLO/ELIEBIO.HTM

    In the middle is the pic of Wiesel as a teen, which is strikingly similar to the photo of the man 8th in the row.

    Comment by paolosilv — June 17, 2010 @ 11:41 pm

  13. Contrary to what “skeptic” says, I do not have a hard time with the truth. I did in fact see this claim that the nazis re-used numbers, but I lost that one long ago.

    My real question is, since I don’t know much about Elie Wiesel other than having read his book, pertains to the identity in the photo at Buchenwald. Wiki says that he is ‘seventh from the left’, whereas I think he is the prisoner ‘eighth from the left’, in the second tier. His would be the face staring from behind a beam. It looks exactly like a photo of him when he was a teenager.

    Comment by paolosilv — June 17, 2010 @ 11:39 pm

  14. the holocaust was a bad nightmare i do not wish this on any one not even to my worst enemy

    -just hope that we dont have to go through this again [ nor start ww3] with these kinds of economic problems

    Comment by jazmin mejia — June 3, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

  15. What is more sickening than The Holocaust are the Holocaust jokes , how can anybody laugh at such a gigantic tragedy . These jokes at http://www.muchjokes > Jewish jokes make Australian Aborigine and Nigger jokes look clean .

    Comment by Andy W — April 21, 2010 @ 5:08 am

  16. Are all of you people retarded? The jews went through a hard time and alot of them dont like to talk about it, they dont want to remember what happened. Many of them dont want anyone to see their tattoos because they dont even like seeing them theirselves. It brings back bad memories. My grandpa was in the war and he was in one of the groups that went to a concentration camp to set the jews free, he doesnt like talking about it because he doesnt want to remember what he had seen. Its a part of their past that they dont want to remember. So stop being stupid. Grow up.

    Comment by Brook — April 12, 2010 @ 5:10 am

    • On the contrary, Elie Wiesel loves to talk about what he experienced during the Holocaust. He is currently on a tour, giving speeches before large crowds. He has written over 40 books about what he experienced and about the Holocaust. Thousands of Holocaust survivors recorded their memoirs for Steven Spielberg. It would be hard to find a school in America that has not had a Holocaust survivor give a talk to the students. There are at least 400 Holocaust survivor books, and new ones are published every day. It is possible to have a tattoo removed. Most survivors are proud to show their tattoos when they give talks to the public. The problem is not that Holocaust survivors don’t want to talk; it is that some people who were never in a concentration camp have written fake memoirs, and have been exposed as liars. The latest ones were the Rosenblatts who went on Oprah and told a fictitious story.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 12, 2010 @ 7:36 am

  17. Sometimes the Nazis cynically gave the same ID number to different people, after those who had been murdered were cremated. This way it would be harder to trace who had been murdered. The Nazis were warped.

    Elie to me sounds like Eliezer or Lazar.

    Comment by Paul — March 27, 2010 @ 10:39 pm

    • The Jews who were murdered in the gas chambers at Auschwitz, immediately upon their arrival, were not registered in the camp so they did not have an ID number. The number of deaths (1.1 million) at Auschwitz was calculated by estimating the number of arrivals and subtracting the number of prisoners who were registered. Around half of the prisoners who were registered were later sent to another camp. The Nazis did use some numbers twice at Auschwitz, but they used a whole series of numbers a second time, not individual numbers of prisoners who died.

      Elie Wiesel, Lazar Wiesel and Lázár Wiesel all had different dates of birth. They were all from the same town in Hungary, which had a population of 70,000 Jews at that time. They could have been members of the same extended family, but I don’t think all three names refer to the same person. Lazar and Lázár each had a separate ID number at Buchenwald. If Elie was at Buchenwald, he also had a separate ID number, but he has never revealed this number.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 28, 2010 @ 4:19 am

    • To Paul:
      I cannot be as polite as further glory, but I will try not to call you names. I don’t want my commenting privileges to be revoked.
      What you say is absolutely made up by you. You know nothing of what the Nazis did or didn’t do, or you would know better than to make up such a lame story.
      You obviously go around to various sites that are talking about the holocaust and defend it with vicious lies about the Nazis. In our social/political climate, no one cares whether it is true or not; it’s perfectly acceptable in most places to “pile on” against the bad Nazis with any garbage anyone comes up with, and, of course, defend a real piece of garbage like Elie Wiesel.
      Fortunately, and why I like this Blog, is that Further Glory has some respect for the truth and believes in research, both of which you show yourself to be entirely lacking in.
      I’m quite willing for you to answer me if you think you can defend yourself.

      Comment by sceptic — March 28, 2010 @ 8:59 am

    • Also, Paul, please explain why Elie Wiesel does not have the number A-7713 tattooed on his arm as he says he does (while refusing to show it)?

      This is a very simple question. Are you up to it?

      I ask the same question to anyone who continues to defend Elie Wiesel in the face of this one, simple reality.

      Comment by sceptic — March 28, 2010 @ 9:09 am

      • A few years ago, I went to the Museum of Tolerance at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. I heard a Holocaust survivor of Monowitz speak. The room was filled with 8th grade students from a Catholic school. At the end of his talk, one student asked him to show his tattoo. He refused, saying that it was his policy never to show his tattoo. One of the nuns who had accompanied the students then spoke up and reprimanded the student for being so impolite. Then she hustled the students out of the room before they could ask any more questions.

        Next we went to another room to hear a Hungarian women who was a survivor of Birkenau. She was very attractive; in fact, for her age, she was remarkably attractive. She talked about the death march out of Auschwitz-Birkenau; she said that there was a “sag wagon” for the prisoners to ride for awhile if they got tired of walking. After her speech, the friend, that I was with, asked her why she didn’t stay at the camp and wait for the Soviet soldiers to liberate the camp. She became very angry and refused to answer the question. She told my friend that it was rude to ask such a question.

        Of course, she didn’t want to answer. A young woman who was that attractive would have been gang raped by the Soviet soldiers. For German soldiers, the penalty for rape was death. I don’t recall what she was wearing; maybe she was wearing a long-sleeved dress, but in any case, I forgot to look to see if she had a tattoo, and she didn’t show it to us.

        Comment by furtherglory — March 28, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

        • If “survivors” refuse to show their tattoo, it’s bccause they don’t have one.

          Comment by sceptic — March 28, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

          • Or they had such a hard past that all they want to do is forget it. It doesn’t necessarily have to be that they didnt have one and that they werent in the holocaust. I think you should pay more respect to the people who lost their lives in the holocaust, instead of denying it!!

            Comment by Jessica — December 3, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

        • I have a hard time believing a skeptic who can’t even spell the word correctly. Under your forms of logic, this makes sense.

          Comment by lauramatsue — April 5, 2010 @ 8:19 am

  18. Ken Walzer, the professor and director of Jewish Studies at Michigan State University (are there so many Jews at Michigan State that they need a Dept. of Jewish Studies?) is going to have his own trouble. In the interview you cited, he answered this to the following question **What Holocaust memoirs do you admire?**

    “I teach with memoirs, often selecting and using memoirs where the prisoners tell about human behavior under conditions of extremity. We use the memoirs as primary evidence and interrogate the memoirs in student-run workshops. The authors are often [...] writers who write with special honesty. Primo Levi’s Survival at Auschwitz, Filip Muller’s Eyewitness Auschwitz, Elie Wiesel’s Night, and Fania Fenelon’s Playing for Time are all very fine, very honest, works.”

    On what does he base his judgement that “Night” is a “very honest work?”

    Truth be told, none of those writers give an honest account. So what is Ken Walzer’s problem? The same one Wiesel has?

    Comment by sceptic — March 27, 2010 @ 8:26 pm

  19. One thing that is never addressed is that Elie Wiesel NEVER shows his bare arm with the tattoo A-7713 that he said in this Dayton interview just a few days ago that is on his arm. All he has to do is show his arm, which so many other holocaust survivors are most willing to do.

    What could be preventing him???

    Comment by sceptic — March 27, 2010 @ 8:02 pm

    • Lazar Wiesel, Lázár Wiesel and Elie Wiesel are three separate people and their identities are combined into one person: Elie Wiesel. The three of them are like the Catholic concept of the Holy Trinity, which is three persons in one God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 28, 2010 @ 5:23 am

      • Hahaha. VERY funny. But please don’t give people who think like Paul and Wahrheit any such ideas because that will indeed end up as the explanation!

        I am very much afraid that in the times in which we live, EW will come up with just such a story and it will be accepted!! God help humanity from it’s ignorance.

        Comment by sceptic — March 28, 2010 @ 8:44 am

  20. Mattogno missed this Buchenwald questionnaire, filled out by Lazar Wiesel, and which has discrepancies from the Auschwitz documents that he relies upon.

    Comment by Wahrheit — March 27, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

    • Mattogno included the questionaire filled out by Lázár Wiesel on 22 April 1945, which is the one shown in the link that you provided. If Elie Wiesel was at Buchenald, he would have his own ID number, but he has never revealed his number. Now would be the time for him to produce the number, so we can verify it.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2010 @ 5:24 pm


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