One of the readers of my blog wrote the following in a comment:
“Yes, there were machines to crush bones [in the concentration camps]. The prisoners also manually crushed any remaining bones.”
Bone Crusher used in World War II
I wrote about bone crushing in the camps on my website.
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Another member of the Sonderkommando who survived was Henryk Mandelbaum who arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau in April 1944.
The following quote is from The Toronto Star on June 21, 2008:
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Soon after a 21-year-old Henryk Mandelbaum arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau in April 1944, he was taken to a gas chamber filled with the lifeless bodies of fellow Jews.
He would become accustomed to the sight. During more than nine months as a member of the Sonderkommando, the group of prisoners the Nazis forced to assist in the disposal of the gassed, Mandelbaum “saw everything from beginning to end,” said Auschwitz-Birkenau museum historian Igor Bartosik “people going into the changing rooms, he saw people changing, he saw the moment of the gassing, the throwing of the Zyklon into the gas chambers, he heard the screams.”
Mandelbaum’s daily routine: help remove hair, gold teeth and hidden jewelry from the dead; carry them to the crematoria; load them into the ovens.
“I thought,” he said in 2006, “I was in hell. Fire and smoke were everywhere. I had to clean the gas chambers and put the bodies in the crematoria, or burn them outside when the extermination was in full swing and the crematoria were not enough … we then had to crush the bones into powder and throw it in the river.”
Sonderkommando members were habitually executed. Fewer than 150 of more than 2,000 who served in the group at Auschwitz-Birkenau survived. But Mandelbaum escaped during a January 1945 “death march,” then spent decades speaking about his experience and leading group tours of the camp.
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I worked un a chemical plant in México for bone processing. Equipment came from germany after WWII, to extract Grease for soap producción, glue and bone flour. In adtion grenetin from skins.
Comment by Rafael — August 28, 2016 @ 9:49 am
You wrote: “Equipment came from germany after WWII, to extract Grease for soap producción”
I have actually seen soap being made at home. I wrote about it on this blog post:
Comment by furtherglory — August 28, 2016 @ 12:07 pm
FURTHERGLORY, lLook after the Comment tool, it is awfull.
Theresienstad Little Fortress had been a special prison for political prisoniers – most non Jews, few Jews – where executions had been done until May 1, 1945. Due to the efforts of Red Cross Delegates at May 4 most of surviving prisoniers had been released while the sick ones had been brought to Theresienstadt Sudenten Barack. I mysel had seen some cars with those sick survivors; not a nice vision. So I find it reasonable that the Nazis thought to kill all prisoniers in a Gas Chamber. You in USA do not know how terrible the Nazi Regime really had been and think that they had a sense of honor, Their sense of honor was a murder doctrine.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteineth — April 9, 2016 @ 1:39 pm
You wrote: “FURTHERGLORY, lLook after the Comment tool, it is awfull.”
Two of your comments went into the SPAM folder recently. I had to pull them out of the spam folder and put them up in the comment section. This has happened three times. The WordPress software thinks that your comments are spam. This could be because you write the same words and expressions over and over. It could also be because you are posting under the name Wuolf instead of Wolf.
Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 6:42 am
Thans to the warning. I corrected the name in the tool.
Comment by Wolf Murmelsteineth — April 10, 2016 @ 8:14 am
THANKS FOR THE WARNING. I ALREADY CORRECTED NAME IN THE TOOL.
Comment by Wolf Murmelsteineth — April 10, 2016 @ 8:15 am
Your comments are still going into the spam folder. I immediately pulled your comments out of the spam folder. I sit in front of my computer about half the day, but I can’t check the spam folder at all hours of the day and night. I suspect that your comments are going into the spam folder because you repeat what you write. Typically, spam posts repeat the same thing.
Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 8:26 am
TALBOT. Having problems with the reply tool on this site and considering all Your questions need good answers kindly contact directlu al my e-mail:
wolf.murmelstein@tiscali.it
COMMENTATORS. The same for all of You.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 7, 2016 @ 12:59 pm
Wuolf Murmelsteine. With due respect, I decline to contact you on your personal e-mail. I would rather continue with the present format of exchanging views here, on Further Glory’s open website.
Thanks – Talbot
Comment by Talbot — April 7, 2016 @ 1:13 pm
TALBOT. Please list again in the form of numbered points all the questions You have asked about Theresienstadt. I feel however that each point would require a long reply even quoting my Father’s book where things are explained.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 7, 2016 @ 11:21 pm
Wuolf Murmelsteine: – I’m quoting from the USHMM website here;-
“Unlike camps in the concentration camp system, the Theresienstadt “camp-ghetto” was subordinate to the SS officials who ran the Prague branch of the Central Office for Jewish Emigration. This reflected Theresienstadt’s special status as a transit station. SS First Lieutenant Siegfried Seidl, who was responsible for establishing and commanding the camp-ghetto, reported directly to the chief of that office, SS Captain Rolf Günther. Günther in turn reported to Adolf Eichmann at the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) IV B 4 in Berlin. As an SS- and police- managed installation, Theresienstadt was also under the authority of the Higher SS and Police Leader in Prague, SS Lieutenant General Karl Hermann Frank.”
Now this seems mighty strange to me, because it would appear that the ghetto commander was taking orders and directives from two different sources – ie;- Adolf Eichmann in the RHSA in Berlin; and SS leader in Prague – Karl Frank ( who, for all intents and purposes was the overlord, or gauleiter, of Bohemia and Moravia ).
Now, I suggest that Theresienstadt was not under this weird form of dual control at all, because it would be a recipe for chaos and confusion. Who would then be in ultimate control of the ghetto? I just wonder if this was all dreamt up after the war, because the Czechs wanted to incriminate Frank for being ultimately responsible for Theresienstadt, while the Soviets and their allies wanted to fix the blame on the central Nazi authorities – RHSA – in Berlin.
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The second thing I want to find out is;- how many armed SS guards were actually on duty in the ghetto at any one time. The Jewish Virtual Library states that there were only about 28 SS personnel allocated to Theresienstadt, and a good proportion of these men were trainee officers, staff officers and drivers. It would appear that the ghetto was really being run on a day-to-day basis by the Czech gendarmes, and thus the broad mass of the inmates would have no dealings with the SS from one week to the next.
Yes, your own father, being the Jewish Elder, would undoubtedly have had daily contact with commander Rahm and his SS staff officers, and I can imagine that was quite an ordeal for him – especially when the Germans were demanding more and people to be transported eastwards, but for the vast majority of inmates the SS were distant figures in their daily lives.
So if that is the case, then we need to learn more about these Czech Gendarmes. How were they recruited? Were their senior officers Czechs or Germans? And more importantly, what was the relationship between the gendarmes and the inmates themselves. Had they got the authority to mistreat and abuse the inmates, or were they under orders to treat the inhabitants in a humane – even benign – way?.
Comment by Talbot — April 8, 2016 @ 5:42 am
TALBOT. First reply.
1. Theresienstadt had been set up as a SHOW GHETTO in order to fool public opinion.
2. Comanders Seidl. Burger and Rahm had to report to Prague Office headed by SS Major HANS GUENTHER. His brother SS Mayor ROLF stood at Berlin as one of the aids of Eichmann.
3. There stood about 20 . more or less – SS men of various ranks at Theresienstad aided for the surveillance by an unit of about 100 Czech Gendarms, comanded in first time by Gendarmery Fitst Lieutnantt Janiçek. At any rate other SS units stood bearby.
Will go on later with my reply.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 6:33 am
TALBOT. Going on in reply-
4. SS General Karl Hermann Frank was so REICHSMINISTER FUER DAS PROTEKTORAT – Governor – as HOEHRE SS UND POLIZEI FUEHRER FUER BOEMEN UND MAEREN – that is SS High Comander of Bohemia-Moravia. In this capacity he had the authority to order the stop of works to set up a Gas Chamber and an mass execution place.
5. Benjamin Murmelstein had to take the burden at Kippur – September 27 – 1944 just when his predecessor Eppstein had been put on arrest (and shot just an hour later but this had not been toold and the other Deputy Elder Ing. Otto Zucker had to leave with the transport (and never returned). When at Oktober 6, 1944 received the order to set up lists for further transports he had a nerve crisis and started explaining that this was not possible until Rahm shouted NO BARGAINING HERE, GET OUT AND WAIT. After abut 30 minutes the SS – Major Hans Guenther, Captain Ernst Moes and Comander Rahm – decided (maybe after a phone talk with Eichmann) to handle the selection by themselves. It had been made certain in Court that Benjamin Murmelstein did not operate selections for transports.
6. Until December 5, 1944 Benjamin Murmelstein had only the rank of DEPUTY ELDER; the formal appointment as ELDER came just when the embellishment action could strart at last.
Will go on replying later.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 8:24 am
Continuing my response to Wuolf Murmelsteine:-
4) You claim that General Karl Frank had the authority to stop work on the construction of a “gas chamber” and “execution site”. Well – that’s what you believe, but you’ve never produced any conclusive proof that a gas chamber or execution site was in fact being built inside Theresienstadt. Was there any evidence brought forward at the post-war trials of Commander Rahm and General Frank to suggest that the SS were planning – or in the process of constructing – such facilities. If there is no conclusive evidence, then those us who are sceptics are perfectly entitled to dismiss such claims as pure “hearsay”.
5) I can understand your father’s almost desperate position as he was ordered by the SS commanders to prepare deportation lists for transport to the east. Acting under great duress, he tried to bargain, reason and delay the task, until Rahm finally lost his patience and told him to leave the room and wait outside. Rahm and his two associates obviously discussed the matter between themselves and decided that they would carry out the task – thus bypassing the Jewish elders. What is interesting though, is that Rahm did not have your father punished for insubordination. He didn’t order him and your family to be deported on the next transport, but allowed him to continue on as Deputy Elder. To me, this suggests that Rahm acknowledge the value of your Father’s role as leader of the Jewish inmates, and was prepared to show compassion and understanding.
6) Once again, we see with this appointment to full Elder, that Rahm regarded your father with some degree of esteem.
Comment by Talbot — April 8, 2016 @ 1:38 pm
You wrote: “you’ve [Wolf Murmelstein] never produced any conclusive proof that a gas chamber or execution site was in fact being built inside Theresienstadt. Was there any evidence brought forward at the post-war trials of Commander Rahm and General Frank to suggest that the SS were planning – or in the process of constructing – such facilities.”
I have written several blog posts under the tag “gas chambers at Theresienstadt”
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/theresienstadt-gas-chamber/
Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2016 @ 2:46 pm
FURTHERGLORY, TALBOT. In general the Nazis kept great secrecy about their deeds and did not produce documents. I believe that in USA, UK, ISRAEL, and other states such an example should be learned. At any rate the USA, UK, fault searching for forensic evidences – what? writen in plain German documents or so? – is either ridicolous or malicious but shows great ignorance about conditions of that time.
1. As said Governor SS General Frank only had the high comand of all SS units in Bohemia-Moravia and could so act against Eichmann,
2. Rahm, only First Ltd, had to report to Major Hans Guenther and had been supervised also by Cap. Moes, a special assistant of Eichmann handling the so called Prominents. My Father had to ask Moes in order to obtain some exemptions from Deportation lists stating reasons understandable for an SS; the decisions seemed strange at that time but can be conjectured having now better knowledge about backgrounds.
4. In Court Little Fortress Comander SS Cap. Joecke admitted that the Gas Chamber in construction had been aimed to kill all the political prisioniers of that prison just before war end. Joecke said that at any rate that the Zyklon B had not been available but he was wrong. The Zyklon B had been in use for desinfection and under strict control of the SS.
Historians are still studying that part of Protectorate history and I am in contact . had been interviewed – with a German researcher, Mrs Lisa Koenig Hauff, who had been entrusted with the researces on the period 1943-1945. Germans aret the bestt historian in general and especially on this matter.
Other fault searching questions?
Best and, again, a nice weelend.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 11:39 pm
You wrote:
“In Court Little Fortress Comander SS Cap. Joecke admitted that the Gas Chamber in construction had been aimed to kill all the political prisioniers of that prison just before war end. Joecke said that at any rate that the Zyklon B had not been available but he was wrong. The Zyklon B had been in use for desinfection and under strict control of the SS.”
I wrote about the “Small Fortress” which was a prison camp, across the road from the town of Theresienstadt. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/small-fortress/
Sorry, but I don’t agree that there was a plan to kill all the prisoners in the Small Fortress at the end of the war. These prisoners were criminals, and most of them were not Jews.
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/small-fortress/
Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2016 @ 7:48 am
FURTHERGLORY. The Little Fortress was a special prison for political prisomiers. Until May 1, 1945 there had been executions of prisoniers whose survival had been seen as a danger so for the SS as for Czech comunist returning from Moscow with Gottwald. Due to the action of Red Cross Delegates the surviving prisoniers had been brought to the Sudeten Barack of Terezin at May 4, 1945; I mysellf could see some cars witth sick prisoniers in very bad conditions.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteineth — April 9, 2016 @ 1:18 pm
Wuolf Murmelstein.
I’ll go through your points one by one.
1) I’m not completely convinced that Theresienstadt was initially set up to be a “Show Ghetto”. That’s certainly what it became as the war progressed, and the Germans then milked it for their propaganda purposes.
2) You say that the ghetto commanders reported to superiors in Prague, who then reported back to RHSA headquarters in Berlin – OK, that’s fair enough.
3) You confirm that the numbers of SS personnel inside Theresienstadt was very low, and mainly consisted of administrative staff. Thus, the day-to-day security of the ghetto, plus law and order, was almost completely in the hands of the Czech gendarmes.
Comment by Talbot — April 8, 2016 @ 12:58 pm
TALBOT The Gendarms guarded the fences and the entrances of the Ghetto, Inside the Ghetto the task to keep order had been up to the Jewish Elder. There had been the so called GHETTOWACHE, but that is another story..
I look forward to hear from You but a question: Have You not any more pleasant subject of interest? For myself it is ofter hard to recall and study Shoah history and see again those painfull places. We both should more think over present time dangers like ISIS, IRAN AYATOLAHs, etc Again Best,
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 1:07 pm
Yes, fair enough, Dr Murmelstein – I won’t push the Theresienstadt issue any further. Cheers.
Comment by Talbot — April 8, 2016 @ 1:49 pm
TALBOT. The reply tool here does not work in right way. So, I try to finish the subject once again.
7. The Czech Gendarms had been recruited among the former GENDARMERIE looking for antisemit men and had been comanded by a Czech officier. At any rate in the Protectorate Police and Gendarmerie stood under direct control of the REICHSMINISTER – Governor- Frank.
8. More details in the books about THERESIENSTAD of Zdenek Lederer (presently only in some libraries) and H,G,ADLER -published in English some years ago. The book of my Father is available in German.
Hope to have satisfied Your desire to know things, I wish a nce weekend.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 9:23 am
You wrote: “The book of my Father is available in German.”
I thought that your father’s book has never been published.
Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2016 @ 9:31 am
FURTHERGLORY.. Had been publishe in Italy first in 1961 and then in 2013 while at Vienna in 2014 with an Austrian government help and had good reviews on Press. No USA or UK publisher contacted the Italian Publisher La Scuola in order to acquire the publshing licence for an English version. Clearly it is not suitable for the Shoah Business. Indeed,it is an historical evidence.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 9:48 am
Thanks for your replies, Dr. Murmelstein – you provide some new information. I will respond with my own observations a little later on tonight.
A Peaceful weekend to you – Talbot.
Comment by Talbot — April 8, 2016 @ 9:55 am
FURTHERGLORY, COMMENTATORS. I wore Yellow Star and stood at THERESIENSTADT from Jannuary 30, 1943 until war end and remember trasnorts arriving and leaving to Birkenau with friends who never returned, the shortage of food “certified of low quality”, the overcrowded rooms, the fear when seeing an SS or a Czech Gendarm.I have seen building a wall and only after Liberation I learnt that they tried to set up a mass execution place. My Father had to go every day to the Komendatur and had to work in a contious hurry and nervous tensi pn. No USA or UK publisher is interested in the evidence he offers in his book and the film THE LAST OF THE UNJUST had earned strange reviews on certain press. I repeat to know the matter much better than You all. The same applies to Shoah History I study since Liberation refering to historical background. And now I am fed up with all the fault looking questions and ironical objections. Study instead how USA Great Companies helped Hitler military industry.. Perhaps USA hoped tp foghy URSS until the last German soldier fallen on battlefield.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 6, 2016 @ 9:42 am
Wolf. we appreciate your input here but what you say and your version of what happened does not line up with scientific fact and reason so we have a hard time accepting what you say.
Like I said you are hearing second-hand information from your father who in turn heard secondhand information probably from somebody else about false atrocity stories so who can depend on you and your father for the facts when a lot of false stories were flying around at the time and People Incorporated these false stories into their stories and we end up with what we have today.
Imagine people thinking that the morgues extermination rooms that you zyclon B that didn’t have any ventilation systems for heating systems in them hard to believe people can believe that nonsense. You should be able to look at a building and see how that building was designed and then come to a conclusion you don’t just make up things that you think should be in it and that’s what’s happening now. They’re fitting the story with what they want people to hear but none of it makes sense with what was really is in those buildings.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 6, 2016 @ 10:07 am
jrizoli. I listed things I personally remember – the lasting effects of what seen and felt in childhood. My Father had been considered to be a reliable witness in court. His book and the film THE LAST OF THE UNJUST had been apreciated in Germany and Austria All the objection here show why his evidence is not appreciated in USA and UK: Not meeting the market of Shoah Business. I can only repeat all my former statements on comments and posts here on all matters discussed.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 6, 2016 @ 10:41 am
“Imagine people thinking that the morgues extermination rooms that you zyclon B that didn’t have any ventilation systems for heating systems in them hard to believe people can believe that nonsense.”
Jim, this is simply not correct.
Where are you getting your information from?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 2:41 pm
Jeff if you don’t get it now you’re never going to get it there were no ventilation systems in Krema 1 or Berkinau.. don’t you get it you will have to show me that there were there were not ventilation systems in those buildings how many times I have to tell you. I don’t have to prove anything you have to show me they were because there weren’t have fun.
Zyklon-b needs a ventilation system that works from the top.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 6, 2016 @ 2:49 pm
FURTHERGLORY, EAH, HERMIE, JRIZOLI, J. RUCKER, and other commentators.
1. I am a survivor of Theresienstadt and due to the position of my late Father . the last Elder – I know the things of Theresienstadt much better than all of You. So about a many questions risen I can only repeat all my former statements.
2. You do not want to realize that the EXTERMINATION OF JEWS – individuals and religion – had been a basic point in Nazi racist mureder doctrine. Discrimination – considered “internal affair” by USA and UK democrats! – and forced emigration had been only the first steps.
3. The hatred driven engineers developed a very well running murder system of GAS CHAMBERS – employing Zyklon B produced in Germany – and CREMATORIA. This system followed the TAYLOR – FORD industrial production process. Technical details had been and are also today a secret which enfgineers involved kept until death.
So I am fed up of all the fault looking questions about details no one could and can know.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 5, 2016 @ 12:55 pm
For the record Wolf…..weren’t you just a little kidwhen you were in that camp?
So all information was second hand right, from your parents?
So now you ask us to trust what your father and mother had to say……Sorry Wolf NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
The picture that you have painted for us so far is not in the realm of reality.
When you come back down to earth let us know.
Jim Rizoli
Comment by jrizoli — April 5, 2016 @ 1:04 pm
You wrote: “For the record Wolf…..weren’t you just a little kid when you were in that camp?
So all information was second hand right, from your parents?”
Wolf was a young JEWISH kid. He saw everything from a Jewish point of view. The Jews believe that they are “God’s Chosen people”. They believe that non-Jews are not human.
Comment by furtherglory — April 5, 2016 @ 1:11 pm
FURTHERGLORY: You are wrong stating that we Jews consider non-Jews as non human..In history, we Jews had to live within the other peoples and experienced so Gentiles who behaved in a human way as those who behaved in a non human way starting violent persecutions until the Shoah.
Even in the times of Shoah there had been Gentiles who dared to behave in a human and helpfull way and those who took part in the Nazi murder program. Just now I had an exchange of messages with the grand doughter of a Lady who in Vienna dared to behave in a human helpfull way, clearly keeping the due secrecy.
In German and Italian we say HUMAN for any helpfull behaviour. We say NON HUMAN for cruel behaviour. I guess there is a translation error. What does in USA English the word HUMAN mean?
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 6, 2016 @ 11:56 pm
Wolf….maybe you are an exception but as a rule particularly the Zionist Jews, they are the most incredulous people that have ever walked this Earth.
To even think that they could even be called a chosen people and do the things that they have done upon Humanity like the deviant’s they are it’s hard to believe and what’s even worse is that the majority of people have no clue the damage that they have done on this Earth. The sad part about it is that those who are considered good Jews or human Jews don’t see the evil and actually defend them so that puts them in the same pot with these Zionists fanatics.
And that brings us to the Holocaust hoax because now they defend lies that don’t even make sense with reality but they’re good stories and they’re all there to take revenge upon the Germans who tried very hard to work with them during that difficult time period during World War 2.
But the scam work you’re getting your money you’re putting people in jail that’s see what you’re doing wrong and you’re rolling along just like usual and you say nothing about to the people that you were humming along the way.
Wolf have you ever thought about the people that your religion has harmed along the way. I guess we going can be pissed and s*** on and that’s OK thing with you.
But that’s how it is with a people who feel that they are the only ones who have been harmed in the world no one else matters.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 7, 2016 @ 8:12 am
You wrote: “…the people that your religion has harmed along the way. I guess we going can be pissed and s*** on and that’s OK thing with you.
But that’s how it is with a people who feel that they are the only ones who have been harmed in the world no one else matters.”
You hit the nail on the head. The Jews don’t think about the harm that they have done to other people. They think that “no one else matters” just as you wrote. The Jews are “God’s Chosen People.”
“That’s all she wrote and she rubbed that out.”
Comment by furtherglory — April 7, 2016 @ 8:37 am
FURTHERGLORY. Will mail You an essays showing how the expulsion of Jewish moneylenders harmed the economical development of South Italy. So we can discuss better whether the Jews or the nationalist antisemit hatred sprayers harmed the nations blocking economica and social development.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 7, 2016 @ 10:48 am
Israeli professor ARNON SOFFER is one of the founders of the University of Haifa, and also taught army students at the National Defence College in Israel.
He said publicly – ” It’s going to be a terrible war. So if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill, all day, and every day. If we don’t kill, we will cease to exist.”
Now, this is a university professor instructing his military students to carry out non-stop murder, on the crazed notion that if they don’t do this, then they themselves will perish !
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This next article appeared in the Israeli newspaper “Haaretz” on April 12th, 2001.
In his address to the Israeli nation just prior to the Passover celebrations that year, influential Rabbi – OVADIA YOSEF – made the following declaration;-
“May the Holy Name (meaning God), visit retribution on the Arab heads and cause their seed to be lost. Annihilate them. You are forbidden to have pity on them – you must give them missiles with relish. Evil ones, damnable ones.
( Don’t worry folks; its all empty rhetoric – he’s really quite a cuddly teddy bear when you get to know him personally! )
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The Israeli member of parliament AYELET SHAKED recently called publicly for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes”.
“They have to die, and their houses should be demolished so they cannot bear any more terrorists. They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
So, ladies and gentleman; here we have a senior Israeli parliamentarian spouting out hatred, and calling quite openly for blood-curdling violence; while those of us who live quite happily and peacefully with our neighbours are constantly being lectured and condemned as racist, anti-semitic, hate-filled, deniers!
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On August 1st 2014 the world was informed by MOSHE FEIGLEIN – the deputy speaker of the Israeli Parliament – that he desired the total destruction of the Palestinian presence in Gaza.
Quote;- “a conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters…This is our country, and our country exclusively, including Gaza.”
He continues;- “The Israeli army must designate certain open areas on the Sinai Border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated…In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant destinations are determined…The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be discontinued…and these areas to be shelled with maximum firepower.”
Mr Feiglin ought to be careful here. The Palestinians are actually a semitic people, where-as it is certainly debatable whether many Jews living in Israel are of semitic origin. He therefore might find himself labelled as an “anti-Semitic Hater” – and that would never do for a senior parliamentarian of the Israeli Knesset!
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Rabbi NOAM PEREL – the head of ‘Bnei Akiva’, the largest Jewish religious youth group in the world – has recently publicly called for “the mass-murder of Palestinians and for their foreskins to be scalped and brought back as trophies”. Apparently, this raving rabbi desires a repeat performance of a biblical event that occurred in ancient times, and which comes from a passage out of the Book of Samuel.
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Now, I’m no human psychologist, but I can certainly identify extreme paranoia, pathological hatred, and latent savagery when I see it!
This so-called “holocaust” happened over seventy years ago. Yes, it was tragic, and many people suffered and died during WW2, but it is now an event that should be consigned to the history books – we don’t need to keep dwelling upon this morbid subject, and beating our breasts with sorrow, shame and guilt. But today, we need to concentrate on these venomous haters within Israel, whose souls seem to be consumed with vehemence and loathing towards their fellow human beings. The world should really wake up to realise that it is these people who are the real racists and haters of mankind.
Comment by Talbot — April 7, 2016 @ 9:23 am
TALBOT. Before expressing critical comments of what Prof. Sofer said consider the Arab hatred propaganda about the goal to extirpate the State of Israel and Jews living in the Diaspora. The heaviest Nazi propaganda points. Furthermore look at the attacks against Jewish comunities in Europe effected by Islamic terrorists. Leftwing paper wasters do not remember that many Nazi Criminals foud safe heaven and “suitable positions” in Arab states.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 7, 2016 @ 10:35 am
jrizoli. For centuries we Jews had been targeted by the Christain hatred preaching from the Church Fathers on until nowadays. I quote here John Crysostomos, Ambrosius, Theofilos, Cyrill who, in preaching and action, set the methods followed by many persecutors until the Shoah.Maybe that even Jesus Christ – in his lifetime a believing Jew – would have been sent into the Gas Chambers or would be the survivor Rabbi Joshua Josefson.
Christian preaching – not only Catholic but Protestah too – sprayed hatred and hatred around and Jews, as a minority under other peoples, had been an easy target.
Comment by Wolf Murmelsteineth — April 10, 2016 @ 8:13 am
jrizoli. Furthermore. Look at the fate of Edith Stein who converted to Catholic faith and then entered the Carmelitan Order. Well, she had been deported tp Auschwitz and after arrival suddenly sent in the Gas Chamber as the Nazis considered her as jewish. Some Chirch man aaid WE OFFERED THEN SALVATION IN HEAVEN NOT ON EARTH.
To be a Jew is a fate – one cannot escape – of being targeted of hatred and persecutions, not only a Faith.
The number of persons not jewish any murdered in the Holocaust as being considered by the Nazis as being of jewish race cann hardly be estimated.
Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 10, 2016 @ 10:49 am
Wolf Murmelstein wrote: “Look at the fate of Edith Stein who converted to Catholic faith and then entered the Carmelitan Order. Well, she had been deported tp Auschwitz and after arrival suddenly sent in the Gas Chamber as the Nazis considered her as jewish.”
I wrote about Edith Stein on this blog post:
Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 4:19 pm
You wrote: “I know the things of Theresienstadt much better than all of You.”
You know one side of the story, from the point of view of a very young Jewish child.
I knew everything about World War II from the point of view of a very young American child. In other words, I knew nothing!
Comment by furtherglory — April 5, 2016 @ 1:06 pm
Whatever Wolf says is based on What?
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 5, 2016 @ 1:12 pm
FURTHEyRGLORY. When we were in childhood You stood in USA as a normal citizen while I stood at Theresienstadt as victim of persecution. So I had lasting effects on my memory and my healt. I had been so indcuced to learn more and more about the historical background of events and persecution. Our experiences are in no way comparable.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 7, 2016 @ 10:41 am
Four holes through a roof were the core of an alleged killing machine following ‘the Taylor-Ford industrial production system.’ This is your new thing, it seems. Even more ridiculous than your usual BS. What a joke! All the alleged Nazi killing facilities scream ‘Illiterate Mudjik and Backward Shtetl Orthodox Jew both seeing shower rooms and latrines for the 1st time in their life.’ So amateurish. So un-German…
Comment by hermie — April 5, 2016 @ 4:02 pm
“All the alleged Nazi killing facilities scream ‘Illiterate Mudjik and Backward Shtetl Orthodox Jew both seeing shower rooms and latrines for the 1st time in their life.’ So amateurish. So un-German…”
Yes, the Germans were and are amazing. Is it any wonder that they won the war.
Oh, wait……..
Comment by Jeff K. — April 5, 2016 @ 4:39 pm
Jeff wrote: “Yes, the Germans were and are amazing.”
Would there have been an Operation Paperclip and its Soviet counterpart, as well as an unparalleled intellectual property theft (providing the U.S. with great economic prosperity in the following decades) by the victors, if they were not?
The victors’ titanic looting of German brains and inventions is in fact implicit ‘Holocaust denial.’ Nobody would have looted the intellectual ressources of a country with gassing facilities as dumb and backward as the Holocaust’s ones. Makes no sense at all…
Jeff wrote: “Is it any wonder that they won the war. Oh, wait……..”
And the great victory of the British, Soviet and US Empires (i.e. roughly half of the world) over a country smaller than Texas only cost them the lives of tens of millions of fighters and hundreds of billions of 1940 dollars in industrial products. What a great achievement!! So heroic and unpredictable! What’s next, champions? A joint war against Lichtenstein and Luxemburg? 😉
Comment by hermie — April 6, 2016 @ 7:11 am
I wrote about what happened to the German scientists on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Sachsenhausen/SpecialCamp7.html
The following quote is from that page of my website:
According to the Potsdam Agreement, the officials of the Nazi party and its organizations, members of the Gestapo, and anyone who might endanger the goals of the occupation were to be interned in concentration camps. Not included were Nazis who might be of use to America, like General Reinhard von Gehlen, the chief of the Nazi spy organization, and Werner von Braun, the head of Germany’s V-2 rocket program.
The former Nazi concentration camps at Dachau, Buchenwald and Sachsenhausen were converted into internment camps for German political prisoners, while thousands of Nazi scientists were taken to America and the Soviet Union. General Reinhard von Gehlen was sneaked into the United States wearing an American uniform, even before the German surrender, and became part of the new American intelligence agency, called the CIA, after the war.
Comment by furtherglory — April 6, 2016 @ 8:04 am
Jeff wrote: “Frankly the technological innovations the Germans came up with during the war were amazing. The problem was the “on again, off again” allocation of resources that doomed potentially war winning inventions like the V rockets and the ME-262. ”
I was not talking about military technological innovations only. Truman’s Executive Order 9604, also known as the “License to Steal,” permitted agents of the U.S. government to execute the greatest robbery in world history: the theft of German intellectual/scientific property. Beside military technologies, the German scientists of the Nazi era did much of the basic scientific pioneer work in the development of many postwar industrial technologies and products for civilian use in the United States. Special American task forces 9604 found and appropriated no less than 150,000 tons of secret files, which were transported to the USA to be evaluated. A new dictionary with 40,000 special scientific words had to be worked out. The greatest part of these files had nothing whatsoever to do weapons and war efforts.
Jew-owned Western media and academia will never admit that, but the facts reveal that the most creative period in world history may have been Germany between 1932 and 1945, and that much of America’s scientific lead came from looting German patents by the ton after WW2. When WW2 came to an end, the London office of the British Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee said proudly, “The production secrets we take away from Germany are a bigger blow than the loss of East Prussia.” The booty was so great that very soon one was unable to count the documents, and they were measured by weight of paper.
Nothing could be further from the truth than the widely-held view of Americans regarding themselves as the epitome of civilization and the Nazis as a gang of brutal ignoramuses only good to burn books. Quite hilarious.
The widespread Western (especially, Anglo-Saxon) belief that Gentiles are almost nothing without their alleged home Jewish geniuses always makes me laugh. What a loser mentality! What a huge distortion of reality!!
Jeff wrote: “The same country that invented the “V” rockets and the ME-262 also utilized vast amounts of horses for their armed forces because they lacked modern transport. The German army made liberal use of captured vehicles, including buses, to transport supplies and men. The Germans also continued to use outdated tanks like the Panzer I and II because they lacked the true industrial capacity to manufacture modern tanks. So, yes, the Germans made some remarkable technical jumps for some of its weapons. The flip side is that the Germans were often forced to rely on scavenging and outdated weapons.”
Unrelated and irrelevant to the topic of German innovations.
Jeff wrote: “How technical does a gas chamber have to be?”
Not really matter of how technical it has/had to be. A matter of how technical it could be expected from the Germans, especially given the gassing technologies and facilities already in existence in Germany to delouse clothes, entire trains and other stuff. The alleged homicidal gas chambers didn’t look at all like Degesch innovations. No surprise given that they were designed and built by Topf & Sohne…a manufacturer of crematory ovens and mortuary facilities (like morgues). Morgues allegedly turned into gas chambers by merely drilling a few holes through the roof of those rooms? How meticulous! How German! How Hitlerite! A manufacturer of mortuary facilities, instead of the German expert on poison gases and gassing facilities Degesch, tasked with building the ultimate weapon of Hitler’s alleged Top Priority operation in his war against the Jews? C’mon. Laughable…
And what about the crematory part of the alleged extermination facilities? Any industrial process is thought and designed according to its limiting factors. Cremation was the limiting factor of the alleged Nazi extermination at Auschwitz. Around 1 hour to gas a batch of 2,000 Jews to death and vent the room, and around 6 days to cremate that number of corpses, this is not an industrial process. This is an industrial disaster!! Any engineer designing an industrial process with a ratio of 140 between the cremation step and the gassing step, would be fired in the minute. Had the Germans really decided at one point to turn their crematories into extermination facilities, they would have of course brought and installed industrial furnaces able to deal with that number of corpses in appropriate and reasonable durations. The alleged use of those small individual crematory ovens for a massive extermination operation is ridiculous.
Jeff wrote: “Well, it’s not like the British, US and the USSR had much of a choice, Hermie. The Brits were bound by treaty, the Germans invaded the USSR and declared war on the US. What were the Soviets and US supposed to do, Hermie? Lie there and take it up the rear?”
The victors’ fasle version of the story. You’re really cute with your deceptive falsely-defensive warmongering treaties and peace-loving Imperialist powers only dreaming of flowers, candies and friendship. What a fairy tale for 6-year-old kids! Don’t lose your childlike naivety… 😉
Comment by hermie — April 6, 2016 @ 5:45 pm
Jeff likes to simplify things so when he talks about things happening he says they happened because they happened with no facts. Now that’s as a simple as you can get.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 6, 2016 @ 5:50 pm
I, uh, what?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 6:12 pm
Jeff you don’t know the difference between a crematorium, a morgue or a gas chamber.
You also don’t know how they function and work you think things happen just by Magic.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 6, 2016 @ 6:14 pm
“Jeff you don’t know the difference between a crematorium, a morgue or a gas chamber.”
Sure I do:
A crematorium is utilized to burn remains, human or otherwise.
A morgue is used to store bodies until disposal.
A gas chamber is used to execute humans.
See, I kept it simple for you, Jim.
“You also don’t know how they function and work you think things happen just by Magic.”
I just explained it to you. Do you have questions?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 6:36 pm
“Truman’s Executive Order 9604, also known as the “License to Steal,” permitted agents of the U.S. government to execute the greatest robbery in world history: the theft of German intellectual/scientific property. Beside military technologies, the German scientists of the Nazi era did much of the basic scientific pioneer work in the development of many postwar industrial technologies and products for civilian use in the United States. Special American task forces 9604 found and appropriated no less than 150,000 tons of secret files, which were transported to the USA to be evaluated. A new dictionary with 40,000 special scientific words had to be worked out. The greatest part of these files had nothing whatsoever to do weapons and war efforts.”
That’s nice. Well, that sort of crap happens when you lose a war.
“Jew-owned Western media and academia will never admit that, but the facts reveal that the most creative period in world history may have been Germany between 1932 and 1945, and that much of America’s scientific lead came from looting German patents by the ton after WW2. When WW2 came to an end, the London office of the British Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee said proudly, “The production secrets we take away from Germany are a bigger blow than the loss of East Prussia.” The booty was so great that very soon one was unable to count the documents, and they were measured by weight of paper.”
How fascinating. Yet, the Germans still lost.
“Nothing could be further from the truth than the widely-held view of Americans regarding themselves as the epitome of civilization and the Nazis as a gang of brutal ignoramuses only good to burn books. Quite hilarious.”
Naughty Americans.
“The widespread Western (especially, Anglo-Saxon) belief that Gentiles are almost nothing without their alleged home Jewish geniuses always makes me laugh. What a loser mentality! What a huge distortion of reality!!”
Yet, Jews make up the largest percentage of Nobel Laureate Winners, including those in physics and medicine.
Jeff wrote: “The same country that invented the “V” rockets and the ME-262 also utilized vast amounts of horses for their armed forces because they lacked modern transport. The German army made liberal use of captured vehicles, including buses, to transport supplies and men. The Germans also continued to use outdated tanks like the Panzer I and II because they lacked the true industrial capacity to manufacture modern tanks. So, yes, the Germans made some remarkable technical jumps for some of its weapons. The flip side is that the Germans were often forced to rely on scavenging and outdated weapons.”
“Unrelated and irrelevant to the topic of German innovations.”
I hardly think so. But, whatever.
Jeff wrote: “How technical does a gas chamber have to be?”
“Not really matter of how technical it has/had to be. A matter of how technical it could be expected from the Germans, especially given the gassing technologies and facilities already in existence in Germany to delouse clothes, entire trains and other stuff. The alleged homicidal gas chambers didn’t look at all like Degesch innovations. No surprise given that they were designed and built by Topf & Sohne…a manufacturer of crematory ovens and mortuary facilities (like morgues). Morgues allegedly turned into gas chambers by merely drilling a few holes through the roof of those rooms? How meticulous! How German! How Hitlerite! A manufacturer of mortuary facilities, instead of the German expert on poison gases and gassing facilities Degesch, tasked with building the ultimate weapon of Hitler’s alleged Top Priority operation in his war against the Jews? C’mon. Laughable…”
The SS was working with materials and blue prints that it had. Why start all over again and waste time?
“And what about the crematory part of the alleged extermination facilities? Any industrial process is thought and designed according to its limiting factors. Cremation was the limiting factor of the alleged Nazi extermination at Auschwitz. Around 1 hour to gas a batch of 2,000 Jews to death and vent the room, and around 6 days to cremate that number of corpses, this is not an industrial process. This is an industrial disaster!! Any engineer designing an industrial process with a ratio of 140 between the cremation step and the gassing step, would be fired in the minute. Had the Germans really decided at one point to turn their crematories into extermination facilities, they would have of course brought and installed industrial furnaces able to deal with that number of corpses in appropriate and reasonable durations. The alleged use of those small individual crematory ovens for a massive extermination operation is ridiculous.”
Again, there was a limited amount of material to work with.
I always love the argument that the Germans would have done it better because they were Germans.
Jeff wrote: “Well, it’s not like the British, US and the USSR had much of a choice, Hermie. The Brits were bound by treaty, the Germans invaded the USSR and declared war on the US. What were the Soviets and US supposed to do, Hermie? Lie there and take it up the rear?”
“The victors’ fasle version of the story. You’re really cute with your deceptive falsely-defensive warmongering treaties and peace-loving Imperialist powers only dreaming of flowers, candies and friendship. What a fairy tale for 6-year-old kids! Don’t lose your childlike naivety… ;-)”
This is fun. I’ve figured out what buttons to push to make you go into a page long rant.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 6:31 pm
Jeff wrote: “That’s nice. Well, that sort of crap happens when you lose a war.”
I didn’t explain that to blame the Allies for doing that. The loot goes to the winners. Vae victis. I explained that to illustrate the gap between actual German technologies in egeneral and the fictional German gassing technologies. Completely missing the point once again, Jeff.
Jeff wrote: “How fascinating. Yet, the Germans still lost.”
Ditto. Glad I at least managed to fascinate you. 😉
Jeff wrote: “Naughty Americans.”
I’d rather say ‘gullible Americans.’
Jeff wrote: “Yet, Jews make up the largest percentage of Nobel Laureate Winners, including those in physics and medicine.”
By a factor of 137 (26.3 in the United States alone)!! Will you try to claim that Jews are 137 (or 26.3) times smarter than Unchosenites?
Know the words nepotism’ and hegemonic appropriations? Being able to seize the leading positions of the labs and research departments in numerous countries doesn’t make a group a gang of geniuses. It only makes it a race of dangerous dominators.
Jeff wrote: “The SS was working with materials and blue prints that it had. Why start all over again and waste time?”
What waste of time? The installation of efficient gassing facilities? Weird idea of a waste of time…
Jeff wrote: “Again, there was a limited amount of material to work with.”
Probably the most pathetic ‘argument’ ever…
Jeff wrote: “I always love the argument that the Germans would have done it better because they were Germans. ”
No longer fascinated? It didn’t last very long.
Jeff wrote: “This is fun. I’ve figured out what buttons to push to make you go into a page long rant.”
Duck. duck, duck, duck…
Fun. Now I can understand why you always do that. 😉
Regarding a long detailed and argumented response as a rant doesn’t make you look very serious. What was the name of the university that provided you with a degree?
Comment by hermie — April 6, 2016 @ 7:37 pm
“I didn’t explain that to blame the Allies for doing that. The loot goes to the winners. Vae victis. I explained that to illustrate the gap between actual German technologies in egeneral and the fictional German gassing technologies. Completely missing the point once again, Jeff.”
I got the point, I just don’t care.
You really need to learn that less is more, Hermie.
Jeff wrote: “How fascinating. Yet, the Germans still lost.”
“Ditto. Glad I at least managed to fascinate you.😉”
I always find you entertaining. Even informative.
Jeff wrote: “Naughty Americans.”
“I’d rather say ‘gullible Americans.’”
My wife prefers it when I’m naughty.
Jeff wrote: “Yet, Jews make up the largest percentage of Nobel Laureate Winners, including those in physics and medicine.”
“By a factor of 137 (26.3 in the United States alone)!! Will you try to claim that Jews are 137 (or 26.3) times smarter than Unchosenites?”
No, not really.
What I would say, naturally this is my own opinion, is that due to the Jews inability to own land it drove them to other professions, like law, banking and the sciences.
“Know the words nepotism’ and hegemonic appropriations? Being able to seize the leading positions of the labs and research departments in numerous countries doesn’t make a group a gang of geniuses. It only makes it a race of dangerous dominators.”
If you believe that and it makes you feel better I’m OK with it.
Jeff wrote: “The SS was working with materials and blue prints that it had. Why start all over again and waste time?”
“What waste of time? The installation of efficient gassing facilities? Weird idea of a waste of time…”
Not really.
Why break the wheel and start over if you can modify it to the vehicle on hand?
Again, it isn’t difficult to build a basic structure to kill humans. Add ventilation, heaters, air tight doors and a delivery system. Basic gas chamber. Also, construction of the crematorium were behind schedule. Why spend more time tearing it all down again?
Jeff wrote: “Again, there was a limited amount of material to work with.”
“Probably the most pathetic ‘argument’ ever…”
Well, there was a war on, Hermie. All of these camps had a budget to work with.
Jeff wrote: “I always love the argument that the Germans would have done it better because they were Germans. ”
“No longer fascinated? It didn’t last very long.”
Did you say something?
😂
Jeff wrote: “This is fun. I’ve figured out what buttons to push to make you go into a page long rant.”
“Duck. duck, duck, duck…”
Hey!!!! That’s my deal!!!!!
“Fun. Now I can understand why you always do that.😉”
It is, isn’t it?
“Regarding a long detailed and argumented response as a rant doesn’t make you look very serious.”
I’m a rather whimsical fellow if you catch me in the right mood.
“What was the name of the university that provided you with a degree?”
Hasbara school of advanced denier baiting
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 8:40 pm
Jeff wrote: ” got the point, I just don’t care. You really need to learn that less is more, Hermie.”
You pretend that you don’t care because you know that’s devastating for the Holohoax.
I cetainly don’t need to learn that more evasions are less embarrassing for your dear childish Holohoax horror tale. I already knew that. Demonstrated often enough.
Jeff wrote: “My wife prefers it when I’m naughty.”
All women do…
Jeff wrote: “No, not really. What I would say, naturally this is my own opinion, is that due to the Jews inability to own land it drove them to other professions, like law, banking and the sciences.”
The Nobel Prizes were awarded from 1901…i.e. long after the Jews were forbidden to own land anywhere.
Jeff wrote: “If you believe that and it makes you feel better I’m OK with it.”
It’s not that it makes me feel better or worse. Just how it is. And as you patently don’t plan to even try to refute it, it seems it will be our final word on this topic.
Jeff wrote: “Not really. Why break the wheel and start over if you can modify it to the vehicle on hand?”
Because you won’t go very far with impractical square wheels like the Auschwitz gas chambers.
Jeff wrote: “Also, construction of the crematorium were behind schedule. Why spend more time tearing it all down again?”
Because the existing crematory ovens couldn’t have coped with more than a tiny fraction of the corpses supposedly produced by the alleged gas chambers in a reasonable duration. And as there was no storage room for the gassed corpses, no additional Jews could be gassed as long as the cremation of the previous batch hadn’t ended. A very serious blow to the productivity of such killing facilities. A Kolossal limiting factor. Don’t tell me that a 6-day interruption of gassings after each gassing wouldn’t have been a problem for the Nazis. Absurd and nonsensical.
Jeff wrote: “Well, there was a war on, Hermie. All of these camps had a budget to work with.”
The more I see the absurd facilities allegedly built and used to mass murder Erope’s Jews, the more I think that the Nazis just didn’t care at all about their alleged extermination program.
Jeff wrote: “Hasbara school of advanced denier baiting”
You probably had very good marks. Schlageter and Jim Rizoli often look very annoyed by your comments. 😉
Comment by hermie — April 7, 2016 @ 8:39 am
Jeff wrote: ” got the point, I just don’t care. You really need to learn that less is more, Hermie.”
“You pretend that you don’t care because you know that’s devastating for the Holohoax.”
How? Both the Western Allies and the Soviets plundered Germay after the war. Both sides felt justified in doing so because the damage the Germans caused. They didn’t need the Holocaust.
“I cetainly don’t need to learn that more evasions are less embarrassing for your dear childish Holohoax horror tale. I already knew that. Demonstrated often enough.”
Again, irrelevant. The Germans caused enough damage that no one needed the death of six million Jews to cut a slice…..or to justify anything.
Jeff wrote: “My wife prefers it when I’m naughty.”
“All women do….”
Well, we agree on something.
Jeff wrote: “No, not really. What I would say, naturally this is my own opinion, is that due to the Jews inability to own land it drove them to other professions, like law, banking and the sciences.”
“The Nobel Prizes were awarded from 1901…i.e. long after the Jews were forbidden to own land anywhere.”
But the inability to own land left a generational mark to succeed in other areas besides agriculture. It also helps when your family isn’t tied to the land, it allows one time to pursue academic subjects like law or medicine. You can’t blame the Jews for taking a negative and turning it into a positive.
Jeff wrote: “If you believe that and it makes you feel better I’m OK with it.”
“It’s not that it makes me feel better or worse. Just how it is. And as you patently don’t plan to even try to refute it, it seems it will be our final word on this topic.”
See what I said above.
Jeff wrote: “Not really. Why break the wheel and start over if you can modify it to the vehicle on hand?”
“Because you won’t go very far with impractical square wheels like the Auschwitz gas chambers.”
Again, what the SS did was eminently practical. They took the existing plans they had and modified it to make it work. It’s a ridiculous argument to say that the Germans didn’t do it because as Germans they would have done it better.
Jeff wrote: “Also, construction of the crematorium were behind schedule. Why spend more time tearing it all down again?”
“Because the existing crematory ovens couldn’t have coped with more than a tiny fraction of the corpses supposedly produced by the alleged gas chambers in a reasonable duration. And as there was no storage room for the gassed corpses, no additional Jews could be gassed as long as the cremation of the previous batch hadn’t ended. A very serious blow to the productivity of such killing facilities. A Kolossal limiting factor. Don’t tell me that a 6-day interruption of gassings after each gassing wouldn’t have been a problem for the Nazis. Absurd and nonsensical.”
Nonsense. The Germans possessed an EXCESS of crematory capacity. When that didn’t work they could resort to open air burnings.
Jeff wrote: “Well, there was a war on, Hermie. All of these camps had a budget to work with.”
“The more I see the absurd facilities allegedly built and used to mass murder Erope’s Jews, the more I think that the Nazis just didn’t care at all about their alleged extermination program.”
Actually what they did was incredibly smart. Keeping it simple made it easier to kill large numbers of people without much interruption. Birkenau stood at the pinnacle of this. By using existing technology and a plentiful supply of easily obtained ZB the Germans made it very easy to kill large numbers of people.
Jeff wrote: “Hasbara school of advanced denier baiting”
“You probably had very good marks. Schlageter and Jim Rizoli often look very annoyed by your comments. ;-)”
I don’t mind Jim so much. I think half the time the poor fellow has no idea what he’s talking about.
Schlageter is a class A penis with shit for brains… and those are his good qualities.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 7, 2016 @ 10:46 am
Jeff wrote: “How? Both the Western Allies and the Soviets plundered Germay after the war. Both sides felt justified in doing so because the damage the Germans caused. They didn’t need the Holocaust.”
Seems we’re talking about 2 distinct topics. I was talking about the gap between German technologies and the alleged Nazi killing facilities, when you’re talking about the Soviet-Allied need for atrocity propaganda.
Atrocity propaganda is always useful. Anglo-Saxons need moral issues. They like feeling like heroes and saviors. They’re addicted to that feeling.
At least, one can congratulate the British propagandists to have waited longer than 2 and a half years (September 1939 –> June 1942) this time (i.e. WW2) before accusing their German foes of using communal gas chambers to mass murder a large number of civilians. On the previous occasion (i.e. WW1), they couldn’t even wait for 2 years (July 1914 –> March 1916) before doing that.
Those Huns… 😉
And that was so easy after all…
(a few days before the Joint declaration by 11 ‘United Nations’ (including Britain) denouncing Hitler’s [alleged] ‘cold-blooded extermination’ of Europe’s Jews)
Jeff wrote: “Again, irrelevant. The Germans caused enough damage that no one needed the death of six million Jews to cut a slice…..or to justify anything.”
Damage ‘proved’ by the same court that also ‘proved’ the death of six million Jews. How convenient…
Jeff wrote: “Well, we agree on something.”
As long as this doesn’t become a habit… 😉
Jeff wrote: “You can’t blame the Jews for taking a negative and turning it into a positive.”
I didn’t blame them for that. I only said that makes them a domineering race systematically seizing a country’s power levers. Peoples of the world should be informed about such facts on Jewry before accepting or refusing that race within their own national borders.
Jeff wrote: “Again, what the SS did was eminently practical. They took the existing plans they had and modified it to make it work.”
To make it work? With reverse ventilation systems (Krema II and III) or no ventilation at all (Krema I)??? With wire mesh Kula columns that would have been demolished and torn apart at every gassing??? With Zyklon pellets dropped on the cold floor of semi-underground morgues???
Jeff wrote: “It’s a ridiculous argument to say that the Germans didn’t do it because as Germans they would have done it better.”
This is why you flee the argument about German technology.
Jeff wrote: “Nonsense. The Germans possessed an EXCESS of crematory capacity.”
Are you claiming that the crematories of Auschwitz-Birkenau were able to deal with 12,000 corpses per day, or even of anything close to that number?!? Really?
Jeff wrote: “When that didn’t work they could resort to open air burnings.”
Open air burnings…in pits. What a joke!
Or on Barbecue Days only…
Bon appétit… 😉
Jeff wrote: “Actually what they did was incredibly smart. Keeping it simple made it easier to kill large numbers of people without much interruption. ”
I’d rather say ‘keeping it dumb and unworkable.’
Comment by hermie — April 7, 2016 @ 6:27 pm
“Would there have been an Operation Paperclip and its Soviet counterpart, as well as an unparalleled intellectual property theft (providing the U.S. with great economic prosperity in the following decades) by the victors, if they were not?”
Waste not, want not, Hermie.
Frankly the technological innovations the Germans came up with during the war were amazing. The problem was the “on again, off again” allocation of resources that doomed potentially war winning inventions like the V rockets and the ME-262.
“The victors’ titanic looting of German brains and inventions is in fact implicit ‘Holocaust denial.’ Nobody would have looted the intellectual ressources of a country with gassing facilities as dumb and backward as the Holocaust’s ones. Makes no sense at all…”
The same country that invented the “V” rockets and the ME-262 also utilized vast amounts of horses for their armed forces because they lacked modern transport. The German army made liberal use of captured vehicles, including buses, to transport supplies and men. The Germans also continued to use outdated tanks like the Panzer I and II because they lacked the true industrial capacity to manufacture modern tanks.
So, yes, the Germans made some remarkable technical jumps for some of its weapons. The flip side is that the Germans were often forced to rely on scavenging and outdated weapons.
How technical does a gas chamber have to be?
You need an airtight room, a toxin and a delivery system. Preferably you also need something to ventilate the room. It isn’t all that difficult to construct something secure to hold people while you introduce the toxin.
Jeff wrote: “Is it any wonder that they won the war. Oh, wait……..”
“And the great victory of the British, Soviet and US Empires (i.e. roughly half of the world) over a country smaller than Texas”
You neglected to mention that this country at one point had the resources of most of Europe and the advanced Western tip of the USSR to draw upon.
“only cost them the lives of tens of millions of fighters and hundreds of billions of 1940 dollars in industrial products. What a great achievement!! So heroic and unpredictable! What’s next, champions? A joint war against Lichtenstein and Luxemburg?😉”
Well, it’s not like the British, US and the USSR had much of a choice, Hermie. The Brits were bound by treaty, the Germans invaded the USSR and declared war on the US.
What were the Soviets and US supposed to do, Hermie? Lie there and take it up the rear?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 8:24 am
I covered the Me-262 on my blog at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/me-262-jet-airplanes/
Comment by furtherglory — April 6, 2016 @ 8:40 am
JEFF. HERMIE: 1.Hermie states that Jews try in every country to gather the powerfull positions. That is only an anti-Semite propaganda slogan but not true at all in history. There had been Jewish Grand Vizirs, Financial advisers, Civil Servants serving the states they belonged. But those had been single cases.
2, When Werner Sombart wrote about Jews genetacely bond to commerce he also admitted that their expulsions worsened the economic development of exipelling states and towns
When German towns expelled the Jews Polish King Casimir the Great called them to settle and set up the commerce. When Spain expelled the Jews the Sultan called them to settle in the towns to develop the commerce.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteineth — April 10, 2016 @ 1:55 am
The inability of your Jewish ancestors to own land forced them into other pursuits, Wolf. They turned a negative into a positive.
There is nothing wrong with that. However, anti-Semites turn it into a negative. Goebbels dismissed the Jews as having an “Asphalt Culture,” however, they lived in cities because this was what they were relegated to.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 10, 2016 @ 11:17 am
Talking about Jews…..
I put this video together into one video….now you will understand the Jews and what they have done to the world.
Jim Rizoli
Comment by jrizoli — April 10, 2016 @ 11:56 am
You wrote: All the alleged Nazi killing facilities scream ‘Illiterate Mudjik and Backward Shtetl Orthodox Jew both seeing shower rooms and latrines for the 1st time in their life.’
I am around the same age as Wolf. As a child in America, I did not know that showers existed. I saw a shower for the first time when I started college. Many people in America did not have indoor plumbing, including my family. There is no reason for me to believe that it was any different in Europe, especially in Poland.
Comment by furtherglory — April 6, 2016 @ 4:17 am
Wuolf Murmelsteine writes;- “I am a survivor of Theresienstadt and due to the position of my late Father . the last Elder – I know the things of Theresienstadt much better than all of You. So about a many questions risen I can only repeat all my former statements.”
Yes, you’ve made many statements about your time in Theresienstadt as a youngster, but I note that you don’t seem to say much – if anything – about the Czech gendarmes who were responsible for the day-to-day policing of the ghetto. I get the impression that you are reluctant to refer to these guys, because they don’t easily fit into your horror narrative, whereby the inmates constantly had to stand and face “the murderous Nazis.”
If you know more about Theresienstadt than any of us, then please kindly tell us more about these local gendarmes. How were they recruited? Did they carry firearms, or just batons? How much power did they have when imposing law and order? Were their officers and NCO’s Germans or Czechs? Did your father have to deal with them, or did he always have direct communication with the ghetto commander? What was the relationship between the Jewish inmates and these Czech gendarmes – were they able to smuggle in food, cigarettes and other goods? And, finally, what happened to the gendarmes at the very end. Did they flee the ghetto when the Germans pulled out, or did some remain as the International Red Cross moved in?
Comment by Talbot — April 5, 2016 @ 5:42 pm
Wolf father only presented the Horror Disney Land Experience. No matter what the truth was.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 5, 2016 @ 5:51 pm
jrizoli. My Father’s book is availlable in German. Read it and will see that he never presents a disneyland.
Comment by Wolf Murmelsteineth — April 10, 2016 @ 8:20 am
Good question?
Comment by jrizoli — April 4, 2016 @ 5:47 pm
Commentators on this and other posts are unable to realize that the Nazis had set up an industrialized killing system following Taulor-Ford organization techniques. Each victim could see only a minimal and each perpetrator only a very little part of the whole procdeure. All the puritan stile fault looking in accounts of survivors is sign of an appaling lack of sensivity for the great tragedy.of WWII.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 2, 2016 @ 8:49 am
I’ve mentioned before that the SS didn’t give guided tours of the death camps.
The inmates only saw the little they were allowed.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 2, 2016 @ 9:01 am
You wrote: “the SS didn’t give guided tours of the death camps”. What are you saying? Did the SS give guided tours of the transit camps?
The Auschwitz-Birkenau camp was 425 acres in size. Those mean ole Nazis should have given each new arrival a tour of the camp, instead of putting them into a barrack for new arrivals who were put into quarantine to avoid the spread of disease. The Nazis didn’t want any of the Jews to die of disease; they wanted to gas them.
Comment by furtherglory — April 2, 2016 @ 9:14 am
“You wrote: “the SS didn’t give guided tours of the death camps”. What are you saying? Did the SS give guided tours of the transit camps?”
I’m saying that the SS didn’t guide the prisoners around the camps. Why on earth would they do such a thing?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 2, 2016 @ 10:13 am
FURTHERGLORY, JEFF. The guided tours of Camps had been mockeries to fool the International Red Cross Comitee represantatives. In Camps certain prisioniers – entrusted with special tasks, called “Funktionshaeftlinge” – could see more than the normal inmate. At Theresienstadt my Father – even when he was the Elder – Judenaeltester – avoided accurately to visit certain places,like the Creamatoria or so. In those times of darkness those suspected to know too much had a higher chance to be murdered. Clear at last?
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 4, 2016 @ 8:32 am
I have written many blog posts about Theresienstadt, including this one: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/the-plan-to-gas-all-the-jews-at-theresienstadt-or-if-that-wasnt-enough-to-drown-them/
I think that the story of Theresienstadt should be entitled “LIES AND MORE LIES”.
Comment by furtherglory — April 4, 2016 @ 8:48 am
Wolf…I thought there was NO crematory at Theresienstadt. So this sounds like another tall tale from you.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 4, 2016 @ 8:59 am
One of my first blog posts, 5 years ago, was about the [alleged] crematory at Theresienstadt.
Comment by furtherglory — April 4, 2016 @ 9:07 am
Where was the 35-40 ft chimney on the “gas ” chamber in that camp? All the real gas chambers in the USA had some sort of chimney on them to exhaust the fumes.
I guess the Germans had some “new” way of doing it…..like opening all the doors and windows to air the place out…..LOL of course that wouldn’t of stopped people who were there to get gassed to just walk or jump out. Were the Jews that stupid to just stand there while their escape route was right in front of them all the time.
If that was the case then these idiots deserved to be killed….LOL
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 4, 2016 @ 9:20 am
“Where was the 35-40 ft chimney on the “gas ” chamber in that camp? All the real gas chambers in the USA had some sort of chimney on them to exhaust the fumes.
I guess the Germans had some “new” way”
Don’t be dense, Jim.
The Germans didn’t build their gas chambers according to OSHA guidelines or EPA regulations.
The newer crematorium (gas chambers) had ventilation systems to vent the cyanide.
The common delousing buildings didn’t have tall chimneys, either. Basically they opened the vents at the top and the doors to air out the cyanide. Zyclon B was a common pesticide used to fumigate ships, buildings, orchards, etc. Nobody had to build tall chimneys over trees to vent the cyanide.
Stop thinking in terms of modern gas chambers. It has no bearing whatsoever on what the Nazis did.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 4, 2016 @ 9:59 am
You wrote: “The common delousing buildings didn’t have tall chimneys, either.”
The “delousing buildings” at Auschwitz-Birkenau are off limits. Tour guides will not take visitors there. I found out where these buildings were located and sneaked over there to see them. The buildings were locked, but I could look through the windows. Germar Rudolf broke into these buildings and wrote about them.
You are correct that the delousing buildings did not have tall chimneys.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/DisinfectionBuilding.html
Comment by furtherglory — April 4, 2016 @ 10:17 am
Jeff point well taken….different set of circumstances in the USA but them we have a another problem…..the time to evacuate the gas, this would take some time to make the chamber ready for the next gassing and it would also have to be hosed down and cleaned up. So this would be a logistical nightmare. Presumably the people went in right after the gassing took place and I didn’t see anywhere the chamber being setup and cleaned for the next gassing.
JR
Comment by Jamie Rambo — April 4, 2016 @ 11:01 am
Jeff wrote: “The newer crematorium (gas chambers) had ventilation systems to vent the cyanide.”
The alleged newer gas chambers had no ventilation systems to vent cyanide. They had a ventilation system to vent putrid decomposition gases. [No surprise, as those rooms were morgues.] Hydrogen cyanide is a light gas needing to be pumped out at the top of a room, while decomposition gases are heavy gases needing to be pumped out at the bottom of a room. The ventilation system of the newer ‘gas chambers’ was upside down for gas chambers but proper for morgues. Such a reverse ventilation system would have pumped out the fresh air that had just been pumped in (heavier than HCN) rather than cyanide gas (lighter than fresh air). And people falling in all directions would have very probably obstructed the vents. The Holohoax Holy of Holies was an engineering nightmare. Fortunately it was just a myth…
If the morgues were not morgues as claimed, can you explain why the alleged undressing rooms were vented too? Too many stinky socks in there? 😉
Comment by hermie — April 6, 2016 @ 9:04 am
Jeff you are showing your lack of Common Sense by that comment there were no ventilation systems that you speak of in those buildings you can’t prove it today and you will never be able to prove it you can think all you want about how it was done but It wasn’t done that way they were morgues that’s the way they were designed and functioned.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 6, 2016 @ 9:46 am
Jim, the diagram that Hermie posted SHOWS a ventilation system.
I want to know where it came from and who interpreted it.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 2:34 pm
Who interpreted the figure? What book is it from?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 2:14 pm
From the vantage point of your figure, the “gassed bodies” are on floor, blocking the ventilation openings.
Is this correct?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 6, 2016 @ 6:11 pm
The perspective on this is all wrong, Hermie, unless ZB also acts as Super Glue.
The Germans installed the ventilation systems in the ceiling and walls, not in the floor. The diagram is looking down into the room, not at ground level.
So, massive denier fail. Apparently the person that interpreted this thought he had the corpses on the floor when in reality he has them on the wall.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 7, 2016 @ 5:47 pm
Okay Jeff so now explain how does it all work in these Chambers with the Zyclon b. I was out with Fred Leuchter today we were talking about this topic, where were the screen post that was supposed to hold the zyclon b in them they’re not to be seen.
I guess they just disappeared like all of things Holohuxsters want us to believe.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 7, 2016 @ 6:03 pm
Jeff wrote: “Who interpreted the figure? What book is it from?”
I took it from a video of French revisionist Vincent Reynouard’s (don’t rember which one; it’s been a while now) and I’ve added the English annotations. Any objection(s) to the interpretation of this figure?
Comment by hermie — April 6, 2016 @ 4:11 pm
edit: ‘don’t remember’
Comment by hermie — April 6, 2016 @ 5:47 pm
Jeff wrote: “From the vantage point of your figure, the “gassed bodies” are on floor, blocking the ventilation openings.
Is this correct?”
Correct.
Jeff wrote: “The perspective on this is all wrong, Hermie, unless ZB also acts as Super Glue.”
Bodies all glued together, that’s what the model of an alleged homicidal gas chamber now displayed at Auschwitz, shows.
Jeff wrote: “The Germans installed the ventilation systems in the ceiling and walls, not in the floor. The diagram is looking down into the room, not at ground level. So, massive denier fail. Apparently the person that interpreted this thought he had the corpses on the floor when in reality he has them on the wall.”
The pic shows a mere classic cross-section.
Not sure I see what you mean. Can you develop, please?
Comment by hermie — April 7, 2016 @ 6:41 pm
One holohoax witness said that the bodies were all standing up black and blue they weren’t all bunched up intertwined together so somebody’s not telling the truth here.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 7, 2016 @ 7:18 pm
Darrio Gabbi….Holohuxster extradonaire said..
When they opened the door…I see these people that half an hour before were going [into the gas chamber], I see them all standing up, some black and blue from the gas. No place where to go. Dead. If I see my eyes, the only thing I see is standing up, women with children in their hands.”[8]
Comment by jrizoli — April 7, 2016 @ 7:25 pm
It isn’t a cross section. The clue is the ventilators installed in the ceiling, not in the floor. Whoever interpreted that figure, Reynaud I guess, thought what he was looking at was a cross section. It isn’t. The perspective is from above, not from the side.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 7, 2016 @ 7:30 pm
Jeff wrote: “It isn’t a cross section. ”
Yes, it is a cross section, Jeff. Exterminationist researcher Jean-Claude Pressac used this pic in his book (but without the corpses obstructing the air extraction ducts, of course) and he described it as follows: ‘Cross-section of Leichenkeller 1 of Krematorium II taken from Bauleitung drawing 934, showing the arrangement of the upper ventilation and lower air extraction ducts’ (http://www.phdn.org/archives/www.mazal.org/pressac/Pressac0353.htm).
Jeff wrote: “The clue is the ventilators installed in the ceiling, not in the floor.”
Look at the pic above once again. The ventilators/extractors were in the wall, not in the floor. In the lower part of the walls, close to the floor, but in the walls nevertheless.
Jeff wrote: “Whoever interpreted that figure, Reynaud I guess, thought what he was looking at was a cross section. It isn’t. The perspective is from above, not from the side.”
Here is another pic, with both perspectives, from above and from the side. Maybe easier to understand with both perspectives together.
Comment by hermie — April 8, 2016 @ 7:35 am
jrizoli writes;- “Darrio Gabbi….Holohuxster extradonaire”
Oh yes – he’s certainly my favourite sondercommando too. When he first appeared for his fifteen minutes of fame in the Claude Lanzmann TV doc. “Shoah”, I was held spell bound by his testimony. But looking back at his performance now, it is clear he is reading from a prepared script, and that he had learned his lines.
Unfortunately, his acting abilities were not up to scratch, because several times he started to answer before the interviewer had even finished asking the questions. But I blame the stage director for this, he should have coached poor old Dario properly. He should have realised that anyone who had genuinely undergone the kind of dreadful experience that Dario claimed, would be overwhelmed with deep emotions of anguish, guilt and remorse. But Dario’s lack of emotion, and over-eagerness to get his holohoax message out to the world, is clear evidence of a stunt that didn’t quite work out as intended.
Comment by Talbot — April 8, 2016 @ 8:54 am
JIm wrote: “Darrio Gabbi….Holohuxster extradonaire said…When they opened the door…I see these people that half an hour before were going [into the gas chamber], I see them all standing up, some black and blue from the gas. ”
Cyanide poisoning produces pink and red corpses, not black and blue corpses. The people allegedly murdered in the Auschwitz ‘gas chambers’ were supposedly suffocated with cyanide gas (pink-red), not with pillows pressed over their face (black-blue). Gabai opted for the wrong kind of suffocation. Another exterminationist epic fail…
The fact that Jew-owned media and academia keep using testimonies so obviously fraudulent as Gabai’s one shows how fraudulent the whole thing is. The academic world is 100% uninterested in the truth on that topic. A mere gang of politically-biased storytellers involved in a state-sponsored bamboozlement/deception of the masses and earning a comfortable living with that dirty job. Intellectual bitches…
Comment by hermie — April 9, 2016 @ 7:35 am
Darrio (the liar) Gabbai speaks in the beginning here what he says is so easily refuted but the HoloHuxsters don’t care because they like the lies, MORE BELIEVABLE TO THEM ANYWAY….
Jim Rizoli
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Comment by jrizoli — April 9, 2016 @ 7:51 am
I agree with you that Darrio Gabbai was a liar. I wrote about him on my blog at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/daria-gabbai/
Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2016 @ 8:18 am
Gabbai’s poor acting performance is quite boring.
Russ from Santa Clara is more entertaining and credible.
Comment by hermie — April 9, 2016 @ 9:45 am
Yoo-hoo! Where are you, Jeff? Your alleged thirst for truth has just quenched? Why no ‘Thanks for clearing up my mistake about this specific pic, hermie’? Why this attitude of conscious liar caught with his pants down, Jeff?
Just teasing you. A Hasbara life is not so easy every day, I know… 😉
Comment by hermie — April 9, 2016 @ 8:39 pm
J.RIZOLI. At Theresienstadt the Crematory had been built and used to burn the inmates victims of starvation and deseases so the inmates of several nearby Camps like the Little Fortress, or the KZ Richard of Leitmeritz/Litomerice, etc.
FURTHERGLORY. I wonder why You would intitle the story of the SHOW GHETTO as LIES AND MORE LIES. At any rate it had been set up as a mockery first for the Jews of the Protectorate Bohenia-Moravia and then used to fool the German, Austrian, Netherland, Danish public opinion and from 1944 on to fool the Red Cross. At the “guided visit”of April 6, 1945 the International Red Cross delegates understood the cry for help of the Elder Murmelstein and started action for our survival. Besides, the Red Cross could adress some DEATH MARCHES to Theresienstadt and help other Shoah vicitims.
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 5, 2016 @ 12:59 am
You wrote:
“FURTHERGLORY. I wonder why You would intitle the story of the SHOW GHETTO as LIES AND MORE LIES. At any rate it had been set up as a mockery first for the Jews of the Protectorate Bohenia-Moravia and then used to fool the German, Austrian, Netherland, Danish public opinion and from 1944 on to fool the Red Cross.”
I wrote, at length, about the Red Cross visit, on my website at
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/History/RedCrossVisit.html
Comment by furtherglory — April 5, 2016 @ 6:22 am
Well, the first words that Dario Gabbei – the famous Birkenau sondercommando – told us during his memorable performance in the Claude Lanzmann documentary movie “Shoah”, was that he “saw everything from A to Z.”
And Rudolf Vrba – the plucky Slovakian escapee from Auschwitz – also claimed to be a witness to almost everything that went on in the camps. He even told us that several times he was able to see inside the Red Cross ambulance that delivered the canisters of Zyklon-B to the “gas chambers”.
Filip Mueller was another “all rounder” witness who seemed to have full access to the “extermination facilities” in both the Auschwitz main camp and at Birkenau. He was even able to eat cake while the poor victims were being “gassed.” ( But Filip never told us if it was a Sponge Cake; a Madeira Cake; a Swiss Roll; or just an ordinary Fruit and Nut Cake! ).
And we must not forget Yankel Wiernik who informed the world in his book “One Year in Treblinka” that – as a carpenter – he had full access to the camp, and even helped build the “gas chambers” there.
So, I’m afraid the holocaust proponents cannot claim that;- “Each victim could see only a minimal and each perpetrator only a very little part of the whole procedure…”
Comment by Talbot — April 2, 2016 @ 4:49 pm
Terezin Ghetto Boy wrote: “All the puritan stile fault looking in accounts of survivors is sign of an appaling lack of sensivity for the great tragedy.of WWII.”
Turning WW2 into a mere stage set, an insignificant background noise, of the Holohoax Palestine Grabbing & Soviet-Allied Self-Glorification Myth, THAT is the real tragedy of WW2, an insult to all the dead and sufferers (the real ones) of that war.
Comment by hermie — April 3, 2016 @ 7:00 am
an industrialized killing system
Wolf, can you explain why the Germans, who had developed a jet warplane, as well as rockets accurate enough to target London, crippled this “industrialized killing system” by using single muffle cremation ovens? — these are designed to cremate a single corpse so that the remains can be given to family — they would have been very inefficient and impractical given the huge numbers of people the Nazis were planning to kill — given that this alleged “industrialized killing system” was the result of state policy, you would normally expect that better methods would have been employed.
Comment by eah — April 3, 2016 @ 10:21 am
Excellent point about the ovens capacity. You would think that they would have some sort of oven that all the bodies are just dropped in a huge pile and burn all at once but no they have to have the slowest possible way of cremating a person by doing it one body at a time hard to believe people can look at this and believe this nonsense.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 3, 2016 @ 10:30 am
That’s the reason why the Soviets equipped the [fictional] homicidal electric conveyor belt of their Auschwitz ‘murder factory’ with a large blast furnace.
One could also mention the systematic steps backward in the alleged Nazi gassing facilities. Zyklon B: sophisticated, safe and efficient machinery to delouse clothes and beddings (Degesch delousing gas chambers) –> holes in roofs with wire mesh columns to mass murder herds of Jews (alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek). WTF?!? Carbon monoxide: bottles of pure carbon monoxide (alleged T4 homicidal gas chambers) –> engine exhaust with a low level of carbon monoxide (alleged Reinhardt homicidal gas chambers). No way!! Industrialized killing system, my arse! Science doesn’t work that way…
Comment by hermie — April 4, 2016 @ 7:09 am
“Wolf, can you explain why the Germans, who had developed a jet warplane, as well as rockets accurate enough to target London, crippled this “industrialized killing system” by using single muffle cremation ovens? — these are designed to cremate a single corpse so that the remains can be given to family — they would have been very inefficient and impractical given the huge numbers of people the Nazis were planning to kill — given that this alleged “industrialized killing system” was the result of state policy, you would normally expect that better methods would have been employed.”
If the Germans used the cremation ovens in the way you describe then, yes, it would be inefficient. However, the Germans did not concern themselves with proper treatment of the remains so putting two or three skinny, disease ridden corpses in at the same time sped up the process. The corpses were nude and included smaller women and children. Keeping the ovens going actually helped because there was not an extended period of heating and cooling to effect the walls.
I think a more proper word to use would be “incinaration” rather than “cremation.”
Comment by Jeff K. — April 4, 2016 @ 10:08 am
Jeff wrote: “putting two or three skinny, disease ridden corpses in at the same time sped up the process.”
Putting 2 or 3 corpses in a crematory oven at the same time only makes the cremation process last 2 or 3 times longer. Cremating 150 kg of body weight lasts as long for 3 cremations of 50 kg each and for 1 cremation of 150 kg at one blow.
Comment by hermie — April 4, 2016 @ 6:09 pm
I have photos of the cremation ovens at Dachau on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/CrematoriaArea/NewCrematorium04.html
The ovens at Dachau were deep enough to cremate two bodies at one time.
Comment by furtherglory — April 4, 2016 @ 6:28 pm
concerning the crematoria at Dachau the question would be how long would it take to cremate two bodies. I have no problem with how many bodies you can put in a crematoria if they can fit but the time it takes to cremate them is the issue.
Comment by jrizoli — April 4, 2016 @ 7:54 pm
two or three skinny, disease ridden corpses
Per the conventional story, the selection was made upon arrival, and the victims were then gassed/cremated immediately — so re eg the Hungarian Jews, this is allegedly the case for hundreds of thousands of victims who had just arrived — so why would they necessarily be “skinny” and/or “disease ridden”? — in fact, in many fotos they look healthy enough, and of normal size/weight:
Comment by eah — April 4, 2016 @ 10:28 am
Ok. Fair point.
This would still include smaller women and children. The Germans also burned the bodies nude, no coffins or shrouds.
There was also no concern of collecting individual ashes for the families. The Germans burned the bodies as quickly possible to avoid epidemics.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 4, 2016 @ 11:00 am
Jeff…..there were plenty of ash urns in Krema 1 back room I believe pictures have been posted on FG site to show them….. According to the true story those that died from natural causes in the camps had their ashes put in theses urns then labeled and shipped back to the family.
Lets not forget under normal circumstances 200 people died in the camps per month, so their handling these urns over to the families wouldn’t of been an issue. Thats how it really happened but then we get the HoloHuxsters who all of a sudden stack the deck of those they say were dying to tens of thousands per day……a little out of the norm wouldn’t you say. Woud of run out of urns pretty quick I would think.
When looking at the deaths logically it all makes sense when looking at the deaths through the eyes of unreality and nonsense you get the story they tell now.
Are people that stupid…apparently so. Jeff, your a smart guy but not smart enough to see the deception.
JR
Comment by Jamie Rambo — April 4, 2016 @ 11:12 am
The urns are from Dachau, Jim. Not Auschwitz.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 4, 2016 @ 11:30 am
Actually it really doesn’t matter where they were. I did see if my memory is good here at Krema 1 there were some urns shown to be in the back room. I think you’re picking at straws here they did send ashes back to the families because the deaths were reasonable to deal with and it was the right thing to do.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — April 4, 2016 @ 11:42 am
“Actually it really doesn’t matter where they were. I did see if my memory is good here at Krema 1 there were some urns shown to be in the back room. I think you’re picking at straws here they did send ashes back to the families because the deaths were reasonable to deal with and it was the right thing to do.”
The right thing to do….you mean imprisoning women and children? What about Catholic Priests, was it right to imprison them? Or college professors?
You mean the Germans sent urns back to the family members of someone who died? Every single one? From the moment the camps opened until the allies liberated the camps in 1945?
Wow, that’s a lot of urns.
I think I need to see proof of that….
Comment by Jeff K. — April 4, 2016 @ 12:18 pm
Many people died there is no doubt about that it’s called collateral damage of war. Many innocent men women and children and priests that were Germans died also at the hand of the allies which you NEVER mention, why is that? You are so fixed on the Germans and not the allies who did even worse things.
Interesting article that mentions urns…
JR
Comment by Jamie Rambo — April 4, 2016 @ 12:39 pm
I don’t agree with what is said on this site for the most part but I found this interesting about the URNS
http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=136
Snipit from article….
17 Apr 1941 SS-Untersturmfuehrer Maximilian Grabner at Auschwitz Concentration Camp announced that urns containing the ashes of Polish political prisoners who died at Auschwitz no longer needed to be sent to their families.
JR
Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 4, 2016 @ 12:45 pm
I found this article amusing…..Do you have any idea how pounds of ash this would make if all those people were killed and cremated?
How can you read this with out laughing…Which statement do you believe as being true?
They have an answer for everything but their answers defy science and reality.
JR
http://www.phdn.org/archives/www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/gcpol11.htm
A small quantity of carefully sifted ash was kept in a shed, for enclosures in urns and dispatched on demand, to the families of murdered prisoners, who had been informed of their deaths. The notice sent to the family stated that the corpse of the prisoner had been burnt at the cost of the State, and that the funeral urn was kept in an Urnenheim adjoining the crematorium at Auschwitz. At the family’s request the urn was sent on payment of the required sum. It was an obvious swindle, as the ashes of the burnt corpses were not preserved individually, and owing to the simultaneous burning of several corpses in the same retort it was quite impossible so to preserve them. Besides, there was no urn burial place whatever at Oswiecim.
On the basis of calculations made by experts of the Investigation Technical Commision under the guidance of Prof. Dawidowski it was stated during the inquiry that the installations for disposing of corpses in pits and crematoria could have burnt more than 5 millions bodies during the period in which they were active.
As is well known, the Soviet Legal and Medicinal Commission, which arrived at Auschwitz immediately after the flight of the Germans, has stated that the number of prisoners murdered exceeded 4,000,000.
These calculations are in conformity with the data obtained during the inquiry from a competent witnes, a railway employee from Oswiecim station. This man, Fr. Stanek, stated that in the three years 1942-1944; 3,850,000 prisoners were brought to Oswiecim by rail. Five millions would be nearer the mark counting those brought by car.
Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 4, 2016 @ 1:04 pm
It is difficult for so-called ‘Allies’ and the holohoaxers to understand that the Germans, though they had been victimized by jews and other peoples like the poles and partisans, made efforts to be just, maintaining the camps, the labor for the war effort. That they were organized and decent despite war conditions to the best of their ability. IT IS JUST TOO HARD TO ACCEPT THAT THE GERMANS WERE PEOPLE LIKE THE REST OF US dealing with difficult situations as a people and nearly hopeless odds against people who wish to see them (the Germans) eliminated. They still found time to do the decent thing – ashes into urns sent to the families.
My question is – why weren’t the families rounded up too??? Why were there families still out there to send the ashes to????? (JUST ASKING)
Comment by Diane King — April 4, 2016 @ 5:06 pm
“It is difficult for so-called ‘Allies’ and the holohoaxers to understand that the Germans, though they had been victimized by jews and other peoples like the poles and partisans,”
That’s an interesting viewpoint, considering that the Germans INVADED Poland, the USSR, the Netherlands, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, Denmark, etc. Those Poles, Jews and Soviet citizens fought back and paid for it.
“made efforts to be just, maintaining the camps, the labor for the war effort. That they were organized and decent despite war conditions to the best of their ability.”
That’s funny but everyone is entitled to their delusions.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 4, 2016 @ 5:34 pm
You wrote:”That’s an interesting viewpoint, considering that the Germans INVADED Poland,”
One of the first blog posts that I ever wrote was about the German invasion of Poland:
Comment by furtherglory — April 4, 2016 @ 5:42 pm
You wrote: “ashes into urns sent to the families”. I wrote about the ashes and the urns on one of my first blog posts: https://wordpress.com/post/furtherglory.wordpress.com/11359
Comment by furtherglory — April 4, 2016 @ 6:12 pm
Why does German technology always seem to come directly from the depths of a Congolese forest as soon as the alleged extermination of the Jews is concerned? Are we sure the famous Nazi extermination facilities and devices were not designed by Pygmy engineers???
Comment by hermie — April 1, 2016 @ 6:16 pm
OT, in the news today:
Imre Kertesz, Nobel Laureate Who Survived Holocaust, Dies at 86
Comment by a reader — April 1, 2016 @ 1:57 am
His is a mostly familiar story:
At age 14, on his way to school, he was — like Gyuri Koves, the teenage protagonist of “Fateless’’ — caught in a Hungarian police dragnet in 1944 and deported along with thousands of other Budapest Jews, first to Auschwitz and then to Buchenwald…Following the advice of older camp inmates, the young Kertesz, also like the fictional Koves, claimed to be a 16-year-old worker rather than a student. That made him old enough to qualify for forced labor, saving him from immediate extermination as a child.
Although I’d not heard they normally dragged schoolboys off the street. It seems he first went to Auschwitz, where per the story selections normally happened directly after arrival — yet somehow he had a chance to talk to “older camp inmates” beforehand. It seems Jews feel compelled to reinforce the extermination story by re-telling the same tale they’ve heard told by others and so know will be believed — they cannot just say ‘I was forced to work, later evacuated as the Russians approached, and luckily survived the horrible conditions and abuse until I was liberated by the Americans at Buchenwald’. Anyway, RIP.
Danke.
Comment by eah — April 1, 2016 @ 4:10 am
RIP, Imre
Comment by Jeff K. — April 1, 2016 @ 7:34 am
Wow! 86! That’s awful young for a survivah. Since most of these folks live to 100, I’d doubt his story on that point alone
Comment by Schlageter — April 2, 2016 @ 4:39 am
You misspelled “survivor.”
Comment by Jeff K. — April 2, 2016 @ 5:41 am
Jeff wrote: “You misspelled “survivor.””
Isn’t the correct spelling rather L.E.E.C.H. 😉
Comment by hermie — April 2, 2016 @ 6:45 am
Nope, you spell it:
S U R V I V O R
😂
Comment by Jeff K. — April 2, 2016 @ 7:12 am
Thanks, Jeff. I’m still learning the spelling of some English words.
Comment by hermie — April 2, 2016 @ 8:04 am
I’m teasing you.
Comment by Jeff K. — April 2, 2016 @ 8:27 am
I know…
Comment by hermie — April 2, 2016 @ 4:46 pm
If the Nazis were intent on destroying all evidence of their extermination program, and also ensuring that all traces of the bodies disappeared from the face of the earth, then one has to ask why they took a photograph of the actual machinery – plus three of the slave workers – for posterity. Not only that, but they were even considerate enough to allow the incriminating photo to fall into the hands of their enemies so it could be used as proof of the alleged highly secret genocide.
No! – the photo does not make any sense at all as a “bone crusher” – its probably some kind of cement mixer or portable mill-grinder of some kind.
Henryk Mandelbaum claims;- “… we then had to crush the bones into powder and throw it in the river.”
Well, if that is the case, then he is a very important witness to where the alleged human remains of 1.1 million souls lie buried in and around Auschwitz. Surely at some point during the first few months after the end of the war he would have been asked to sit down with official investigators in order to find out how the disposal process actually happened. The precise locations along the river would be eagerly sought, so that a thorough search could be carried out along the banks and on the river bed for any remains that might still be present.
After all, a human body has around 28 individual teeth within it jaws – and these are basically indestructible – and common sense would suggest that from a total of 30 million molars there must at least be a handful of teeth still to be found scattered around the vicinity. But none have ever been found ( or even searched for ), and no sets of dentures ever recovered – not even a novelty clicking set that are so popular at parties after a few drinks.
Comment by Talbot — March 31, 2016 @ 4:16 pm
Kind of a stretch from asphalt processor to BONE CRUSHER. Do you realize the amount of ash, let’s say, oh for Auschwitz, the claimed 4 million JEWS killed – 3-10 pounds of ash per person, depending on size. They claimed (conservatively) 3,000 were killed per day (bizarre impossibility). Let’s say 5 pounds per person (probably closer to 8 pounds). 15,000 pounds of ash – that’s a huge pile – daily dumping into the local river or onto the road – there is NO air photo evidence of road crews, huge piles of such or bodies awaiting cremation from ovens that are WAY BEHIND in cremation requirements, especially when the crematoria had to be rebuilt after 3000 bodies (would have to happen every day), That’s just ONE of the facets of this bizarre scenario. Jim Rizoli, Further Glory and others have described the physics, the math, the issue with conceptual numbers, discussed in great detail. It should arm us to fight against the nonsense they continue to try to shove down our throats.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p219_Buchner.html
Comment by Diane King — March 31, 2016 @ 1:37 pm
You wrote: “Do you realize the amount of ash, let’s say, oh for Auschwitz, the claimed 4 million JEWS killed – 3-10 pounds of ash per person, depending on size. They claimed (conservatively) 3,000 were killed per day (bizarre impossibility).”
The number of deaths at Auschwitz is now down to 1.1 million, of which 900,00 were Jews.
Comment by furtherglory — March 31, 2016 @ 2:10 pm
“Auschwitz, the claimed 4 million JEWS killed – 3-10 pounds of ash per person, depending on size.”
Diane, it is now 2016, not 1947. No one claims 4 million Jews.
Also, the sign that said “4 million” never said Jews. It said people:
J E W S
P E O P L E
See the difference?
Comment by Jeff K. — March 31, 2016 @ 2:53 pm
Jeff of course no sane person believes that 4 million people were killed in Auschwitz but that’s what they used to say and they still say it we know it’s 2016 but they still go by the 6 million Jews were killed figure and again let me emphasize just jews
Comment by jrizoli — March 31, 2016 @ 2:57 pm
Still say 4 million killed at Auschwitz?
Jim, researchers and historians questioned that from the very beginning.
Reitlinger, Hilburg, Pressac all disputed the Soviet numbers (BTW, Reitlinger and Hilburg have lower numbers of Jews killed, 4.8 million and 5.1 million, respectively).
Also, the original plaque said 1940-1945. From 1940-1942 there were no significant numbers of Jews at Auschwitz, it was a concentration camp for Poles to start with and later Soviet POW’s.
Comment by Jeff K. — March 31, 2016 @ 3:12 pm
To make you comfortable I used a denier website, Jim:
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/wolzek/1948_AuschwitzPlaque.html
Comment by Jeff K. — March 31, 2016 @ 5:44 pm
You wrote “I used a denier website”
A “denier website” is a website that tells the truth. My scrapbookpages.com website is a “denier website.” The following quote is from this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/Birkenau02.html
Begin quote:
Notice that the first inscription on the plaques made no mention of the Jews who had died at Auschwitz-Birkenau, since the Communist Soviet Union did not allow any religion. This was corrected after the fall of Communism. According to the Auschwitz Museum, 90% of those who died at Auschwitz-Birkenau were Jews, but some historians say 95%.
The original plaques were removed in 1990 and in 1995, at the suggestion of Lech Walesa, the number of deaths on the plaques was changed from 4 million to 1.5 million, which includes the deaths in all three Auschwitz camps, known as Auschwitz, Birkenau and Monowitz.
End quote
Comment by furtherglory — April 1, 2016 @ 5:58 am
I’m confused. If you deny that something happened, how is that the truth?
Comment by Jeff K. — April 1, 2016 @ 7:20 am
There are two sides to the history of World War II and the camps where Jews were confined: The side of the “True Believers” and the side of the “Holocaust deniers”. I believe that the story, as told by “Holocaust deniers” is the truth and the story told by the “True Believers” is the Holohoax.
Comment by furtherglory — April 1, 2016 @ 7:28 am
Pretty funny……looks like a cement mixer to me….guys dressed pretty well for such a horrid job.
Must of been the picture for the HoloHuxster Yearbook.
JR
Comment by jrizoli — March 31, 2016 @ 10:49 am
As has been pointed out in revisionist forums: no one knows for sure what that is — but it looks very much like a kind of trommel screen, a gadget you find at building site — used to eg screen gravel from dirt in order to make concrete by adding the gravel to cement.
A trommel screen:
Comment by eah — March 31, 2016 @ 10:31 am
It’s a ball mill according to
http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2013/volume_5/number_3/the_bone_mill_of_lemberg.php
Comment by blake121666 — April 1, 2016 @ 6:22 am
I also wrote about Lemberg on my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/WilliamWeiss.html
Comment by furtherglory — April 1, 2016 @ 7:23 am
according to
Thanks for the link — the article is a tour de force of revisionism.
Comment by eah — April 1, 2016 @ 8:50 am
Sonderkommando members had a HABIT of executing THEMSELVES? Each other, maybe. Mandelbaum must have been the last one, like at Masada.
Comment by Jett Rucker — March 31, 2016 @ 10:13 am
Jett Rucker, This a defamation and lack of any respect for tragic figures; only few survive , The Nazi normally killed any one who knew too much about their deed. Clear?
Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteineth — April 9, 2016 @ 1:45 pm