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June 26, 2016

Was Chelmno a transit camp or an extermination camp?

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Chelmno Castle aka the Manor house

Chelmno Castle, aka the Manor house, where Jews were imprisoned Photo credit: Alan Collins

There has been some discussion on my blog about the Chelmno camp. Was it a transit camp, as claimed by Holocaust revisionists, or was it a death camp?

The Chelmno Catholic church where the victms spent their last night

The Chelmno Catholic church where the victims spent their last night Photo Credit: Alan Collins

Here is the official story of Chelmno. The reader can decide for himself or herself.

Chelmno was a Nazi camp located in the small Polish village of Chelmno nad Neren (Chelmno on the river Ner), 60 kilometers northwest of Lodz, a major city in what is now western Poland. The camp, which had been opened by the Germans some time in October or November 1941, was in the Warthegau, a district in the part of Poland that had been annexed into the Greater German Reich after the joint conquest of Poland by Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939.

Foundation of the castle which has been torn down

Foundation of the castle, where the Jews were kept before they were allegedly killed Photo Credit: Alan Collins

Chelmno was called Kulmhof by the Germans and Lodz was known by the German name Litzmannstadt. The Warthegau had been a part of the German state of Prussia between 1795 and 1871. After the German states united in 1871, the Warthegau was in Germany until after World War I when it was given back to the Poles.

After World War II ended in Europe with the surrender of the German Army on May 7, 1945, the provisional Polish government set up the Central Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland. The purpose was to gather evidence for the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal which was set to begin on November 20, 1945, and for the planned trials of Germans who had committed war crimes in Poland.

The main report by the Central Commission was entitled GERMAN CRIMES IN POLAND; it was originally published in two volumes in 1946 and 1947. The report included an overview of the main Nazi concentration camps and death camps in Poland. Two of the death camps, Auschwitz and Chelmno, had been in Greater Germany while they were in operation but now they are located in Poland.

The Chapter on Chelmno in the report is reprinted below.

Begin quote from report:

Report of the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland

GERMAN CRIMES IN POLAND (Warsaw, 1946, 1947)
Extermination Camp Chelmno (Kulmhof)

Part I

The extermination camp at Chelmno was a typical death camp, i.e. a place designed exclusively for killing all who where brought there. The only ones to be saved were a small group of workers selected by the Germans for work connected with their criminal activities.

The extermination camp at Chelmno demands special attention, because during the German occupation only a very few people in Poland ever knew of its existence and the hundreds of thousands of its victims.

The village of Chelmno (district of Kolo) is situated 14 km. (8 3/4 miles) from the town of Kolo, through which runs the main railway line from Lodz to Poznan, and which is connected with the village of Chelmno by a branch line. Lodz, the second largest city of Poland, which in 1939 had a Jewish population of 202,000, was relatively near (60 km or 37 1/2 miles); the road to it was good and little used.

In the village there was a small country house surrounded by an old park, which was owned by the State and stood empty. In the vicinity was a pine-wood, sections of which, densely planted with young trees, were almost impenetrable. This site the German occupation authorities selected for their extermination camp. The park was enclosed by a high wooden fence which concealed everything that went on behind it.

The local inhabitants were expelled from the village, only a few workers being left to do the necessary jobs. Inside the enclosure were two buildings, the small country house and an old granary, besides which the Germans constructed two wooden hutments. The whole enclosure where hundred of thousands of people were done to death measured only 2 hectares (5 acres).

Those who were brought here for destruction were convinced till the very last moment that they were to be employed on fortification work in the East. They were told that, before going further, they would have a bath, and that their clothes would be disinfected. Immediately after their arrival at the camp they were taken to the large hall of the house, where they were told to undress, and then they were driven along a corridor to the front door, where a large lorry, fitted up as a gas-chamber, was standing. This, they were told, was to take them to the bath-house. When the lorry was full, the door was locked, the engine started, and carbon monoxide was introduced into the interior through a specially constructed exhaust pipe. After 4-5 minutes, when the cries and struggles of the suffocating victims were heard no more, the lorry was driven to the wood, 4 km (2 1/2 miles) away, which was enclosed with a high fence and surrounded with outposts. Here the corpses were unloaded and buried, and afterwards burnt in one of the clearings.

Part II

The aim of the Chelmno camp was the extermination of the Jews from the Warthegau, the part of Poland which consisted of the 1939 province (voivodship) of Poznania, almost the whole province of Lodz, and a part of the province of Warsaw, inhabited altogether by 4,546,000 People (including 450,000 Jews).

The camp was established in November 1941. The extermination process began on December 8, with the ghetto population of the cities and towns of the Warthegau, first from the neighbouring Kolo, Dabie, Sompolno, Klodawa and many other places, and later from Lodz itself. The first Jews arrived at Chelmno from Lodz in the middle of January 1942. From that time onwards an average of 1000 a day was maintained, with short intermissions, till April 1943.

Besides those who were brought by rail, others were delivered at the camp from time to time in cars, but such were comparatively rare. Besides those from Poland there were also transports of Jews from Germany, Austria, France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Holland; as a rule the Lodz ghetto served as a distribution centre. The total number of Jews from abroad amounted to about 16,000.

Besides the 300,000 Jews from the Warthegau, about 5,000 Gypsies and about a thousand Poles and Russian prisoners of war were murdered at Chelmno. But the execution of the latter took place mostly at night. They were taken straight to the wood, and shot.

In 1943, four lorries filled with children aged from 12-14 without Jewish emblems were brought. The witnesses took the impression that they were “Aryans.” It was just at this time that the Nazis were expelling the Polish population from the neighbourhood of Zamosc, and as a rule separating children from their parents.

Part III

According to the evidence of three witnesses (Podchlebnik, Srebrnik and Zurawski) who succeeded in escaping from the camp of Chelmno, as well as to that of Polish witnesses drawn from the population of the neighbourhood who had been able to get in touch with the inmates of the camp, and finally, that obtained from the railway transport records, the following preparatory phases in the process of mass execution can be distinguished:

Jews who were taken were told that they were going for military work in the East. Except for those from Lodz, it was the practice to surround the town at dawn with gendarmerie, police, SS, army, and Nazi party units in order to prevent the escape of the Jews. The latter were collected at appointed places, and were allowed to take hand-baggage with them; having been told that they were going to be taken for work on fortifications in the East. Only small numbers of craftsmen, such as tailors, furriers and shoemakers, were selected and sent to the ghetto at Lodz.

At the same time, all that was going on at the camp was kept so secret that the Jews taken there had no notion whatever of what was awaiting them. Many, indeed, applied voluntarily to be sent to Chelmno and the East.

The railway trains which used to bring the Jews from Lodz consisted as a rule of 20-22 wagons. At Kolo the transportees, usually about 1000 at one time, were reloaded and sent by the branch line to Powiercic, the rail-head, whence their baggage was dispatched straight to Chelmno, while they themselves were taken under an escort of 6 to 8 gendarmes to the neighbouring village of Zawadki, and left for the night in a large mill building.

The next morning 3 lorries used to come for them from Chelmno, about 2 km (a mile and a quarter) away. Not more that 100-150 were taken at a time, that being the number which could be gassed in one operation. The whole process was so arranged that the next batch of victims remained till the last moment ignorant of the fate of those who had proceeded them. The whole thousand were disposed of by 1 or 2 p.m.

The loaded lorries entered the camp grounds and stopped before the house, where the newcomers were addressed by a representative of the Sonderkommando, who told them they were going to work in the East, and promised them fair treatment and good food. He also told them that first they must take a bath and deliver their clothes to be disinfected. From the courtyard they were sent inside the house, to a heated room on the first floor, where they undressed. They then came downstairs to a corridor, on the walls of which were inscriptions: “to the doctor” or “to the bath”, the latter with an arrow pointing to the front door. When they had gone out they were told that they were going in a closed car to the bath-house.

Before the door of the country house stood a large lorry with a door in the rear, so placed that it could be entered directly with the help of a ladder. The time assigned for loading it was very short, gendarmes standing in the corridor and driving the wretched victims into the car as quickly as possible with shouts and blows. When the whole of one batch had been forced into the car, the door was banged and the engine started, poisoning with its exhaust fumes those who were locked inside. The process was usually complete in 4 or 5 minutes, and then the lorry was driven to Rzuchow wood about 4 km (2 1/2 miles) away, where the corpses were unloaded and burnt.

Meanwhile lorries were bringing from Zawadki the next batch of 100-150 persons, destined to be disposed of in the same way, all traces of the previous batch having been removed and their belongings (clothing, shoes, etc.) taken away.

When the camp was “liquidated” in 1944, the gas-chamber lorries were sent back to Germany. At the inquiry it was established that they had originally been brought from Berlin. There were three of them, one large enough to hold about 150 persons, and two with a capacity of 80-100 each. Their official name was Sonderwagen.

As the Sonderkommando of the camp had no repair shops, and the cars often needed overhaul, they were sent to the Kraft und Reichsstrassenbauamt repair shops at Kolo. Eight Polish mechanics who had worked there and were examined at the inquiry described their construction as follows: the large lorry measured 6 x 3 metres (20 x 10 ft.) and the smaller ones 4.5 or 2,3 x 2.5 metres (15 or 16 x 8 ft.). The outside was covered with narrow overlapping boards, so that it looked as though it were armoured. The inside was lined with iron plates and the door fitted tightly, so that no air could let in from outside. The outside was painted dark gray.

The exhaust pipe was placed underneath and discharged its gas through a vent in the middle of the floor, which was guarded by a perforated iron plate, to prevent it from choking. On the floor of the car was a wooden grating. The engine was probably made by Sauer. By the driver’s seat was a plate with the words: Baujahr 1940-Berlin. In the driver’s cabin were gas-masks.

Part IV

In Rzuchow wood, 4 km (2 1/2 miles) from Chelmno, the camp authorities enclosed two sections and posted sentries on the adjoining roads. Here the gas-lorries brought the corpses from Chelmno. After the door was opened, ten minutes were allowed for the complete evaporation of the gas, and then the bodies were unloaded by the Jewish Waldkommando, and carefully searched for concealed gold and valuables. Gold teeth were pulled out, finger-rings torn off.

Until the spring of 1942 the remains were buried in large common graves, one of which measured 270 x 9 x 6 metres (885 x 30 x 20 ft.). In the spring of 1942 two crematoria were built, and after that, all the dead were burnt in them (and the bodies previously buried as well). Details about the furnaces are lacking, for the investigator could find no witnesses who had been in the wood in 1942 or 1943. Those who lived near had only noticed two constantly smoking chimneys within the enclosure.

The furnaces were blown up by the camp authorities on April 7, 1943. Two new ones were, however, constructed in 1944, when the camp activities were resumed. The witnesses Zurawski and Srebrnik, and the captured gendarme Bruno Israel, who saw them in 1944, describe them as follows:

They were built deep in the ground and did not project above its surface; and were shaped like inverted cones with rectangular bases. At the top on the ground level the furnaces measured 6 x 10 m (20 x 33 ft.) and they were 4 m (13 ft.) deep. At the bottom by the ash-pit they measured 1.5 x 2 m (95 x 6 in. ft.). The grates were made of rails. A channel to the ash-pit ensured the admittance of air and permitted the removal of ashes and bones. The sides of the furnace were made of firebrick and faced with cement. In the furnace were alternate layers of chopped wood and corpses: to facilitate combustion, space was left between the corpses. The furnace could hold 100 corpses at a time, but as they burned down, fresh ones were added from above.

The ashes and remains of bones were removed from the ash-pit, ground in mortars, and, at first, thrown into especially dug ditches; but later, from 1943 onwards, bones and ashes were secretly carted to Zawadki at night, and there thrown into the river.

Part V

The number of people killed at Chelmno could not be calculated from reliable data or railway records as the camp authorities destroyed all the evidence. The investigators were therefore obliged to confine themselves to the evidence given by witnesses concerning the number of transports sent to Chelmno.

In order to obtain as accurate an estimate as possible, witnesses were called from various points through which the transports passed (Lodz, Kolo, Powiercie, Zawvadki and Chelmno) or on individual observation and the counting based on the collective Railway tickets which they had seen (e. g. that of the woman Lange, a German booking-clerk at Kolo station), or finally individual observation and the counting of transports; or finally on what the members of the Sonderkommando told them about the number of victims.

All the witnesses agree that the average number of persons brought to the camp was at least 1000 a day. There were times when the number was larger, but 1000 may be accepted as a reliable average – exclusive of those who were brought in cars. These latter were not a negligible proportion, coming as they did from numerous small towns.

As to how many railway trains arrived during the whole time of the camp’s existence, investigators found that the extermination activities at Chelmno lasted from December 8, 1941 to April 9, 1943. From April 1943, till the final “liquidation” of the camp in January 1945, strictly speaking, the camp was not functioning; the total number of transports in this period amounting only to 10, bringing approximately 10,000 people.

Considering only the time from December 8, 1941 to April 7, 1943, 480 days, we must allow for a break of two months in the spring of 1942, when transports were stopped, as well as for certain interruptions due to merely technical causes, which, it was found, did not exceed 70 days altogether. This gives (61 + 70) or 131-150 days lost. The remainder, 330 days of full activity, may be unhesitatingly accepted, and if 1000 victims were murdered a day, the total was 330,000. To this number must be added the 10,000 killed in 1944. The final total therefore is 340,000 men, women and children, from infants to old folks, killed at the extermination camp at Chelmno.

Part VI

This mass destruction was carefully planned, down to the smallest detail. The victims were kept in ignorance of their fate, and the whole German staff did not exceed 150-180 persons. Sonderkommando Kulmhof consisted only of a party of 20 SS-men, N. C. O.s of gendarmerie, and over 100 members of the German police, who served as sentinels, helping in the camp and in the wood where the corpses were burnt, and guarding the neighbouring roads.

At the head of the camp was Hauptsturmführer Hans Bootman. For the first few months, the Commandant of the camp was a certain Lange who had come, like all the SS-men, from Germany. The assistant of the Commandant was first Lange, then Otto Platte and Willi Hiller. All activities in the camp were managed by Untersturmführer Heffele. In charge of the works in the wood was Wachmeister Lenz. The crematoria were superintended by Hauptscharführer Johann Runge, who had directed their construction with the help of Unterscharführer Kretschmer. Hauptscharführer Gustav Laps, Hauptscharführer Burstinge and Gilow served as drivers of the gas-wagons.

The investigators cited the names of 80 Germans who were members of the Sonderkommando. In addition to their wages, they received hush-money (Schweigegeld) amounting to 13 RM a day. The Canteen was well stocked with food and spirits. The inquiry showed that Greiser Gaulciter of the Warthegau, during one of his visits to the camp at the beginning of March 1943, handed each of the members of the Sonderkommando 500 RM at a banquet specially given for them, and invited them to his estate when on leave.

It should be pointed out that when, in January 1945, in view of the Soviet offensive, arrangements were being made for the final “liquidation” of the camp, the camp authorities waited till the last minute for Greiser to give the evacuation order (evidence of Israel Bruno, the arrested gendarme from Chelm).

The camp was also inspected personally by Himmler, and Dr. Bradfisch, chief of the Gestapo at Lodz, and Hans Bibow, the manager of the Ghettoverwaltung at Lodz, were constant visitors.

It was found that Greiser and the higher functionaries of the German administration who were in contact with the camp had received valuables which had belonged to murdered Jews. But the gendarmerie and police were very severely punished if they appropriated such things.

Apart from the Sonderkommando, some 70 Jewish workers and 8 Polish prisoners from concentration camps were employed in the camp on searching and burning the corpses. They worked in two parties: the Hauskommando in the camp enclosure, and the Waldkommando in the wood. As a rule, after several weeks of work, these Jewish workers were killed, and replaced by fresh ones, newly arrived. They were fettered to check their movements. The workers at the ash-pit in the wood as a rule did not live longer than a few days. The attitude of members of the Sonderkommando towards the Jewish workers was cruel. Members of the SS used them as living targets, shooting them like hares.

Besides this, members of the Sonderkommando very often killed infants and small children, as well as old people, although they knew that they would be gassed anyway within the next few hours.

Part VII

A further important factor inspiring the destruction of the Jews by the Nazi authorities was economic. The value of the property owned by 340,000 people amounted to a large sum. The majority of things had been already taken from the Jews at the time of the evacuation of the ghettos, but many valuables and gold were stolen in the camp itself.

The things which were seized were sent to different centres, mostly to Lodz, where they were collected and underwent a final examination before being sent to the Reich. It was stated for instance, that on September 9, 1944, 775 wristwatches and 550 pocket watches were sent from Chelmno to the Ghettoverwaltung at Lodz.

At the inquiry it was stated that the clothing of the victims was sold for the benefit of the winter assistance fund (Winterhilfe). Among the documents of the case, there is a letter of January 9, 1943 to the ghetto administration at Lodz, sent by the Winterhilfswerk des Deutschen Volkes: Der Gaubeauftragte Poznan. It runs as follows: “Concerning the supply of textiles for NSV by the ghetto authorities. According to a personal understanding between you, my principal local Manager Kichhorn and the local Manager Koalick, clothes, dresses, and underwear are to be provided after cleaning. The 1,500 suits supplied do not correspond in any way to the textiles which we saw at Chelmno (Kulmhof), which were put at the disposal of the ghetto authorities: Your consignment contains various assorted articles of clothing, but no whole suits. Many articles of this clothing are badly stained and partly permeated with dirt and blood-stains. (Ein grosser Teil der Bekleidungsstucke ist stark befleckt und teilweise auch mit Schmutz und Blutflecken durchsetzt). In one of the consignments sent to Poznan containing 200 jackets, on 51 of them the Jewish stars had not been removed! As they are mostly Polish workers in the camps of the district, the danger is that the settlers (Ruckwanderer) who receive this clothing will become aware of its origin and WHW will be discredited (und das WHW somit in Misskredit kommt).”

From the above it may be concluded that German philanthropic institutions knew that the clothing sent from Poland had been owned by murdered Jews.

Part VIII

The final activities of the camp at Chelmno in 1944 differ from those of 1941-1943 in this, that the victims were brought from Kolo by a local branch railway line direct to Chelmno, where they were left for the night in the church, and the next day were taken directly to Rzuchow wood. In this wood, at a distance of only 150 metres from the crematoria, two wooden huts were constructed, one of them designed, as was previously the country house at Chelmno, to be a dressing room for those going to the bath, and the other as a clothing and baggage store.

The general procedure was exactly as before, the victims, completely naked, being forced into gas-lorries and told they were going to the bath-house. After gassing the victims, the lorries were driven to a nearby clearing, in which stood the crematoria where the corpses were burnt.

The total number of persons murdered in 1944 was about 10,000. According to the testimony of the witness Peham, the wife of a gendarme from the camp at Chelmno, trainloads of Hungarian Jews in 1944 were to be directed there. In the end, however, they were not sent there, but to Oswiecim.

In the autumn of 1944, the camp in the wood was completely destroyed, the crematoria being blown up, the huts taken to pieces, and almost every trace of crime being carefully removed. A Special Commission from Berlin directed, on the spot, the destruction of all the evidence of what had been done. But up to the last moment, January 17, 1945, the Sonderkommando and a group of 47 Jewish workers stayed there.

In the night of January 17/18, 1945, the Sonderkommando shot these last remaining Jews. When they tried to defend themselves and two gendarmes were killed, the Sonderkommando set fire to the building. Only two Jews, Zurawski and Srebrnik, survived.

End of official story of Chelmno camp.

I personally think that the Chelmno camp was a transit camp. Jews were brought there and then sent on to other camps where they were put to work. There was no gas chamber at Chelmno, only alleged “gas vans.”

373 Comments »

  1. If one Jew was in that camp they’d make it an extermination camp. The Holocaust numbers of deaths is like having a blank check. You can put as many zeros behind the first digit as you want but the problem is that there is no real money to back it up.

    Comment by rizolitv — June 29, 2016 @ 11:01 am

  2. Complete nonsense. Reminded of the movie “the time machine”. “These places were just killing machines”..lol.

    I guess the evidence for all this would be tons of bones buried in some fields or under a new construction site. Wake me up when you find them…lol

    Comment by rizolitv — June 27, 2016 @ 8:54 pm

  3. Quote from Jeff…….Sorry to disappoint you, Les, but Chelmno was a death camp.
    Unless you subscribe to the theory that Chelmno was a transit camps……if you do then I’m sure you can enlighten us where exactly the Jews were transited TOO.

    Sorry to disappoint you, Jeff but Chelmno was a transit camp.
    Unless you subscribe to the theory that Chelmno was a death camp……if you do then I’m sure you can enlighten us how exactly were Jews were
    Executed.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 6:11 pm

    • “Sorry to disappoint you, Jeff but Chelmno was a transit camp.
      Unless you subscribe to the theory that Chelmno was a death camp……if you do then I’m sure you can enlighten us how exactly were Jews were
      Executed.”

      Sure. Specially modified gas vans executed the Jews.

      Now, considering I’ve spent three days giving the documentation proving this I’m not going to do it again.

      YOUR TURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Tell me, Jim, where were the Jews from this camp transported TOO?

      Take your time. I’ll wait.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 6:37 pm

      • I don’t know where they went why don’t you ask somebody that was there who survive.
        Or someone who work there that’s not part of the lying Jew run media.
        That’s all I know is they went somewhere and someone knows I wasn’t there so I can’t help you.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 7:05 pm

        • “I don’t know where they went why don’t you ask somebody that was there who survive.
          Or someone who work there that’s not part of the lying Jew run media.
          That’s all I know is they went somewhere and someone knows I wasn’t there so I can’t help you.”

          But, we have testimony of survivors, SS men and bystanders, Jim. They all agree that Jews went there to die.
          I also provided evidence of the gas vans themselves.

          What have you, or Talbot, provided?

          Nothing.
          Zip. Zilch. Not a damn thing.

          Now, logically (I realize that’s something of a foreign concept for deniers), if I have all the evidence and you have jack shit, where does THAT LEAVE US?

          That I’m right.

          So, maybe you ought to get on skype with your denier buddies and figure this out.

          See, Jim, you can’t just START with this whole transit camp thing. You have to have PROVE IT.

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 7:39 pm

          • Jeff…..all these experts below said the following about the holes in the roof……guess what no holes.
            So don’t talk to me about expert testimony.
            What happens when they dead wrong.

            Holes in roof

            According to official historiography, the morgue was transformed into a
            homicidal gas chamber from September 1941 on by fitting it with two gas-
            tight doors and breaking an uncertain number of openings for the introduction
            of Zyklon B through its roof. The number of openings testified to was, in fact,
            one for Rudolf Höss (session of March 12, 1947, of his trial), two for
            Stanisaw Jankowski and for Hans Stark, three for Jean-Claude Pressac, four
            for the Soviet commission of investigation, and six for Pery Broad and Filip
            Müller. Last but not least, the worker who allegedly made these openings the detainee Czesaw Sukowski – who should have been the person best informed about their number, their dimensions, their shape, their structure, and
            their location knew nothing about any of
            these.

            Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 7:45 pm

            • I’m not talking about holes in the roof, Jim.

              Evidence.
              Now.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 8:23 pm

            • ‘Yeah Jim… Totally! No Holes at all!’

              Its almost like this isn’t a Hole.

              Or like we ‘don’t’ know the exact places of the holes almost.

              I’m quite sorry to just say it Jim… But look at the Air photographs. Some make the holes out some don’t… This is unless you intend to play a Ball and claim the CIA scratched the negatives.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 8:29 pm

              • The hole in the top picture . Was that hole made “after” the building was erected? I’m asking because on the right side of the pic ,it looks like 2 pieces of rebar have been bent back. Rebar is used to reinforce concrete. Like in concrete buildings.

                Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 7:26 am

                • Tim, remember the structure way dynamited. The old pillars which once erected out of it most likely were broken with the collapsed roof. That’s how they lost their shape, the other holes found are far from beautiful. Not to mention what Ruins ever look perfect?

                  Try looking at the following photo.

                  It’s a perfect show of protruding pillars, if there wan an explosion the roof would snap and the holes would fall through, possibly broken. As well according to the museum the Germans in the last few months took everything apart. This might mean the holes were Removed as well, leading to the following appeal of the hole.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 8:29 am

                • You showed a photo that looks like a photo of Krema II in Auschwitz-Birkeanu. http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsII01.html

                  Is that what your photo shows?

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 10:27 am

                • It’s honestly hard to know cause I grabbed the photograph from Whale.to.

                  I believe it to be from Krema 2 but it can also be from Krema 3.

                  There is no room past that. It’s ether 2 or 3.

                  I have seen a similar image from THHP’s hole study.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 10:29 am

                • http://web.archive.org/web/20010302035524/http://www.revisingrevisionism.com/

                  Charles Provan also observed holes in the roof.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 11:01 am

                • True, but it doesn’t take very long to disprove “No holes, No Holocaust.”… You only practically need the Air photographs. To which I’m shocked that Jim hasn’t tried to make the ball argument.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

                • Jim really doesn’t understand the concepts that he is writing about. He’s more like a parrot. He can copy and paste or type what someone else has written but clarifying subtle points is beyond him.

                  He’s really just a mouthpiece, nothing original.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

                • You wrote: “Jim really doesn’t understand the concepts that he is writing about.”

                  You are completely wrong about Jim. He has talked to the experts and videotaped his interviews with them. He knows more about the Holocaust than 99.9% of the people in the world.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

                • You wrote: “Jim really doesn’t understand the concepts that he is writing about.”

                  “You are completely wrong about Jim. He has talked to the experts and videotaped his interviews with them. He knows more about the Holocaust than 99.9% of the people in the world.”

                  What does Jim NOT KNOW about the Holocaust in particular and history in general?

                  Let us count the ways:
                  1). Jim does not know what the Sonderkommando are or what they did.
                  2). Jim thinks that the prisoners ran the concentration camps.
                  3). Jim thinks that 6 million Jews were sent to Poland to die in the camps.
                  4). Jim thinks that Zyclon B was “bug spray.”
                  5). Jim thinks the Einsatzgruppen went ahead of the Wehrmacht.
                  6). Jim thinks the US declared war on Germany the same time it declared war on Japan.
                  7). Jim thinks Hitler invaded Poland to rescue his poor fellow Germans.

                  I know there are other things, that’s just off the top of my head.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 12:53 pm

                • Jeff does it really make any difference what I believe you are not going to believe one ounce of truth I have to say…. you and your Holohuckster budies already have your mind made up that the Jews are the most important people in the world and that their deaths come before everyone else that their suffering is worth more than any other peoples suffering so why would I even bother with you
                  I only post on his blog that other people reafing it might read it might like to learn the truth I don’t post for you.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 1:05 pm

                • “Jeff does it really make any difference what I believe you are not going to believe one ounce of truth I have to say…. you and your Holohuckster budies already have your mind made up that the Jews are the most important people in the world and that their deaths come before everyone else that their suffering is worth more than any other peoples suffering so why would I even bother with you”

                  You are wrong.
                  I’ve mentioned in the past the deaths of the Soviet POWs, Action T-4, Action 14f13,, Operation Tannenberg……why am I bothering?
                  You don’t even know what I’m talking about.

                  “I only post on his blog that other people reafing it might read it might like to learn the truth I don’t post for you.”

                  I post so that people can see how wrong you are.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 1:27 pm

                • You post to show how wrong I am…..I don’t think it’s working….LOL

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 1:51 pm

                • “You post to show how wrong I am…..I don’t think it’s working….LOL”

                  Jim, let’s face it. You don’t have any credibility because you honestly don’t understand the time period at all.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 2:03 pm

                • It’s not just me Jeff….we have some excellent posters here who have it all figured out. There are only two of you that are HoloHuxsters…..
                  If we were wrong they wouldn’t be coming after us at all……You don’t ban people telling lies you ban people telling the truth.
                  Lies are easy to spot, whereas truth is had to say no to.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 2:13 pm

                • Hes not really even good at parroting it ether.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

                • Clickhead…. like you are an expert and know what you’re talking about right. You don’t even put your name to this blog here you’re too embarrassed to say who you even are. Maybe you can explain why that is. I’m not ashamed to put my face in any video and any writing on anything I do but you seem to be LOL. For some reason I don’t assigned much credibility to you.
                  I can understand why the “Holocaust deniers” on this blog do that but not you.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 12:55 pm

                • “Clickhead…. like you are an expert and know what you’re talking about right. You don’t even put your name to this blog here you’re too embarrassed to say who you even are.”

                  So because I don’t wish to share my Identity that somehow means I don’t know what I’m talking about?

                  “Maybe you can explain why that is.”

                  Cause I don’t trust you people with my Identity. Its pretty much that simple, while your willing to put youself out there. I’m not. This doesn’t exactly matter does it Jim?

                  “I’m not ashamed to put my face in any video and any writing on anything I do but you seem to be LOL.”

                  Its a difference in privacy Jim… Its that simple.

                  ” For some reason I don’t assigned much credibility to you.”

                  Its cause your an idiot and cause I don’t wish to debate over an eyewitnesses memoir with you. Also cause you put fingers in your ears whenever something you don’t agree with comes along. Which is cased by a Conformation bias…

                  As well you commonly parrot things without even actually reading all of your Holocaust Handbooks. Since your retired and you also have them all on your phone you should be more then able to search up things.

                  You don’t even try to challenge your own opinion very much.

                  “I can understand why the “Holocaust deniers” on this blog do that but not you. ”

                  Why should I put my Identity out there Jim? Jeffs not swinging around his Identity… I don’t see as to why my identity matters. Its called Privacy.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 1:09 pm

                • If you can’t stand behind your name then you’re a coward and there’s nothing worse than being a coward you have to stand behind what you say.
                  You can make all the excuses you want while you don’t do it don’t matter to me you’re still a coward.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

                • “If you can’t stand behind your name then you’re a coward and there’s nothing worse than being a coward you have to stand behind what you say.”

                  Jim… That doesn’t create a coward out of me… By the same logic I could say FG was a coward… Even when her Identity is far from a secret. She doesn’t exactly share it on her blog openly.

                  “You can make all the excuses you want while you don’t do it don’t matter to me you’re still a coward.”

                  Its really hard to trust you people… Its far from a joke..

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 1:22 pm

                • Clickhead…If there was anyone to trust it would be me….you’d be welcomed in my home anytime as long as you behave yourself.
                  I have nothing to hide from you and are a straight up kinda guy. My handshake is my word.
                  You are already part of our daily conversations on the porch. We might not agree intellectually about our favorite topic but I would never uses that over you to harm of censor you. I know how the game is played by the Jews…
                  My life in my town has been complete censoring, from the local newspaper, to the town gossip boards…..and why you ask….because of my stand against the HoloHoax and the Jews heavy handed censorship policies. They run everything and will do whatever they can to stop the truth from coming out….actually to stop any debate whatsoever.
                  I’ve offered to debate them several times and the best they did was ban my 4 cable shows and ban my brother and I forever from producing TV shows again in the town.

                  In fact DK who post here occasionally is producing shows on my local cable dealing with the same topics WE did and she tried to put an interview of me talking about revisionism in Julys show and they said I couldn’t be in her show…..So even having my face on TV is censored even if someone else is doing the show….So you wonder why I have the attitude I have toward the jews. I’ve experienced their wrath personally and they are relentless…..Good thing I’m retired or they would make sure I didn’t ever work again in my town. They specialize in trying to shipwreck you financially, if that doesn’t succeed they ban you from all ways of communicating your message. Complete media blackout…..

                  Pretty soon the Jews will have their way on the internet to do the same thing they are chipping away our free speech rights slowly but surely …..and this blog and all criticisms of Jews will be considered a hate crime some time in the future. Imagine gong to jail for telling the truth as you perceive it with no debate on it.
                  Sad to see you back up these Jew thug scumbags that are pulling all the strings in the world. The thing is, myself and people like me are not giving up we will fight them to the end. The HoloHoax is the string that ties all the Jews together and is the reason the world is where it is today…and thats why they have to be exposed….and that is why they come after us so vehemently.
                  Sadly You’re just a tool working for them if you defend their position.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 1:50 pm

                • “Clickhead…If there was anyone to trust it would be me….you’d be welcomed in my home anytime as long as you behave yourself.
                  I have nothing to hide from you and are a straight up kinda guy. My handshake is my word.”

                  You know, Jim, in an odd way…..I believe that about you.
                  Why do you think I gave you my e-mail address?
                  I trusted you with it.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 3:51 pm

                • Jeff, Click, I believe you’re good people.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 4:13 pm

                • “If there was anyone to trust it would be me….you’d be welcomed in my home anytime as long as you behave yourself.
                  I have nothing to hide from you and are a straight up kinda guy. My handshake is my word.”

                  To be completely honest Jim… Its not really that I don’t trust you… Its more so the observers.

                  “You are already part of our daily conversations on the porch. We might not agree intellectually about our favorite topic but I would never uses that over you to harm of censor you. I know how the game is played by the Jews…”

                  I’m sure you do, but I have almost been Doxed a few times… I don’t want to push it.

                  “My life in my town has been complete censoring, from the local newspaper, to the town gossip boards…..and why you ask….because of my stand against the HoloHoax and the Jews heavy handed censorship policies. They run everything and will do whatever they can to stop the truth from coming out….actually to stop any debate whatsoever.”

                  Jim… I would say its most likely cause the news isn’t exactly interested in you. Just how its not exactly interested in your average person.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

                • Its kind of also hard to take your claim seriously when Mark Weber left the revisionist community saying.

                  “The anti-Semitic enterprise of Holocaust denial is dead. Long live anti-Semitism!”

                  https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=142284

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 1:29 pm

                • You wrote: “Mark Weber left the revisionist community”

                  I heard Mark Weber speak in person many years ago. At that time, he said that his sister was a Jew, but he was not, although they were born from the same mother. After a few years, Mark decided that he wanted to be a Jew again, so he stopped being a denier.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 1:51 pm

                • Considering that I interviewed Mark Weber some months ago he feels now that in the Reinhard camps Jews were systematically killed in large numbers, when I asked how he could prove that and show how it happened he had NO answer. Just blind faith.
                  David Irving and David Cole have followed suit…..They gave in to the evil empire.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

                • ummm… Alright…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 2:05 pm

                • “Paul was probably threatened by the Jews that’s why he.vanished
                  The HoloHoaxes can be very persuasive at times especially when they have your life in their hands and want to kill you. They did the same thing to David Cole and he since has capitulated in his views to save his ass.
                  They’re working on David Irving now.
                  Nice group of people here…. tf you don’t agree with them or show them to be wrong or expose their hoax they want you out of the way… and have the means to do it.”

                  Jim… who in the hell is Paul? And no he just left cause Nizkor, THHP, and Shermer wrote essays showing him to be a complete fool.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 1:17 pm

                • You wrote: “I’m shocked that Jim hasn’t tried to make the ball argument.”

                  What is the ball argument? Did the Nazis throw baseballs at the Jews to kill them?

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 12:25 pm

                • You know who Ball is right? The Revisionist who tried to claim the CIA in the 70’s scratched at the Auschwitz negatives to make it appear that the Gas chamber had holes?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

                • “What is the ball argument. Did the Nazis throw baseballs at the Jews to kill them?”

                  I’m really surprised.

                  I thought you were up to date on the denial stuff.

                  Really, Ball’s argument is over 20 years old.

                  http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/see-no-evil/

                  Nizkor tried to challenge Ball, he vanished:

                  http://www.nizkor.org/features/ball-challenge/

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

                • Paul was probably threatened by the Jews that’s why he.vanished
                  The HoloHoaxes can be very persuasive at times especially when they have your life in their hands and want to kill you. They did the same thing to David Cole and he since has capitulated in his views to save his ass.
                  They’re working on David Irving now.
                  Nice group of people here…. tf you don’t agree with them or show them to be wrong or expose their hoax they want you out of the way… and have the means to do it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 1:10 pm

                • So how many holes are we talking here…. LOL
                  Seems to me they couldn’t come to an agreement.
                  If this was a court case I think it would have been thrown out of court don’t you think?
                  According to official historiography, the morgue was transformed into a
                  homicidal gas chamber from September 1941 on by fitting it with two gas-
                  tight doors and breaking an uncertain number of openings for the introduction
                  of Zyklon B through its roof. The number of openings testified to was, in fact,
                  one for Rudolf Höss (session of March 12, 1947, of his trial), two for
                  Stanisaw Jankowski and for Hans Stark, three for Jean-Claude Pressac, four
                  for the Soviet commission of investigation, and six for Pery Broad and Filip
                  Müller. Last but not least, the worker who allegedly made these openings the detainee Czesaw Sukowski – who should have been the person best informed about their number, their dimensions, their shape, their structure, and
                  their location knew nothing about any of
                  these.

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

                • Ummm Jim… Its universally accepted both Krema 2 an 3 had 4 holes… the argument exist on Krema 1 though… It still doesn’t prove a thing on your part though.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 12:48 pm

                • “You are completely wrong about Jim. He has talked to the experts and videotaped his interviews with them. He knows more about the Holocaust than 99.9% of the people in the world.”

                  No… Jim is very much far from an Expert… He didn’t even know a thing about the Bone mill, and went onto call it a cement mixer without evidence. He hasn’t done a thing to even try and learn much about the event FG… His arguments form the Holocaust Handbooks are only the parts that agree with him. He doesn’t even bother to read most of them… which shows when he hasn’t even read about Chelmno.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 1:15 pm

                • Clickhead…. I don’t have all the answers and there’s more things I don’t know than I do but there’s one thing I do know I know when something’s not right and the HoloHoax is the biggest scam out there.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 1:22 pm

                • Jim… There is a difference between your lack of trust in 90 year olds and their memoirs, and the reality of this event.

                  I will tell you Jim, you appear to have been in this for years… And I have pretty much only being doing this myself maybe 7 months… I had some assistance from Anon, but I some how already know more then you… It appears that I even know more about your sides writings then you…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 1:27 pm

                • You wrote: “I have pretty much only being doing this myself maybe 7 months”

                  You certainly know a lot, considering that you have only been studying the Holocaust for 7 months. Did you study both sides of the Holocaust during that 7 months, or just one side?

                  I believe that Holocaust deniers, including me, study both sides.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 1:55 pm

                • I’m not trying to break up this happy gathering,but could someone check out this story about a flag that was made by a grateful Jew,when their prison was liberated by Donald Hall and the rest of the 81st. The Jew museum wants everyone to believe the Jew made the flag there at the camp,with material he scraped together. Go to the U S Holo museum. The story should be there. Look at the flag. You can tell there’s no way in hell it was made by hand. Bottom line,this whole story is BS

                  Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 2:04 pm

                • “You certainly know a lot, considering that you have only been studying the Holocaust for 7 months. Did you study both sides of the Holocaust during that 7 months, or just one side?”

                  I only know as Much as I do from reading the writings of Kues… I try and stick more with Pressac. Kues is pretty much like the Lüftl Report and destroy themselfs from the inside. As well his translations of primary documents don’t help his case ether. I like Mattongo but he at times tends to be very dishonest when it comes to his use of documents. I really enjoyed is Chelmno book, but him calling the Bone Mill a Ball mill doesn’t exactly help his case.

                  I have also read the leuchter and rudolf reports… but I think the Krakow report pretty much trumps over leuchter. And when it comes to rudolf I think his and the Krakow report clash quite well. After reading Chemistry is not the Science though I concluded the Krakow report was more trustworthy. Though their paint theory needs more backing.

                  Im sure you study both sides but Jim pretty much just calls everything that he doesn’t agree with bunk without even explaining why.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 2:15 pm

                • Clickhead….I don’t get too involved with you here because I feel you already have your mind made up. I can debunk what you say but chose not to, I’ll let someone else do it. I can present all the evidence in the world and you will dismiss it so why bother.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 30, 2016 @ 2:43 pm

                • To be honest, I would love for the event to have not happened. I haven’t exactly made up my mind ether, Why else would I be reading things like Inconvenient history… I have almost fallen into areas of denial, and even almost agreed with Eric that Treblinka was a transit camp. This was before I learned what Lidar is, and that it only scans the surface of the ground. Its that I look for all plausible alternatives then select the one which holds the most truth. I don’t believe the number of gassed Jews at auschwitz to be accurate, but I will use it for argument. I think pressacs number of 700,000 is best. But this is only after reading his entire book. I also read mattognos book “The Case for Sanity” while re-reading pressacs book.

                  I believe for sure that Auschwit’s Krema 1, 2, & 3 were all gas chambers cause I have seen documentation and testimonial which proves it quite well.

                  I have shown you that documentation.

                  Though I do question the Red and White house… They are areas that are quite open for me… From what I know only children were gassing in these places, but I also haven’t seen the bones around them like what can be found around Crematorium 1 and 2.

                  As for dismissing your evidence, I think you do this more often then I have… I think discussing the issue will both expand everyone’s knowledge.

                  Here I will give you an example of why I dismissed your claims. Because they have already been answered by revisionist. For example cement mixer claim.

                  “This interpretation was confirmed by a brochure of the company Gröppel19 dating from 1922 (Fig. 5). Although this brochure shows a bigger machine which is mounted on a concrete base, it is strikingly similar to the alleged bone mill. In other words, the three photographs show a ball mill, though it was not manufactured by the company Gröppel.”

                  Its been confirmed already by Inconvenient History that its a Ball mill.

                  So that leaves two options Bone mill or Ball mill.

                  And HC explains the following quite well.

                  “The use of a “simple” (semplice) ball mill[50], on the other hand, is supposed to be innocuous. Apparently it didn’t occur to Mattogno that a bone mill and a ball mill are not mutually exclusive propositions (the former term refers to the mill’s purpose, the latter to its functioning mechanism), that a ball mill is a device meant to crush hard substances by metal balls revolving inside a drum”

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/12/mattogno-on-chemno-cremation-part-1.html

                  If you look at the following gif all the areas lighting up show where a Ball mill would effect.

                  Its not that I dismiss your claims without reason Jim. Its that even the new leading revisionist doesn’t agree. For example Mattogno’s cremation essay.

                  Another reason why I don’t use leuchter is cause pressac already responded to him. If you know your french you can read it here.

                  http://phdn.org/negation/pressac-leuchter.html

                  If you don’t know french then you can read it with the following Itools program.

                  http://itools.com/tool/google-translate-web-page-translator

                  Sadly enough Pressac died so he never was able to make a response to Mattogno or Germar Rudolf.

                  I did read the IHR refutation to pressac’s essay, but it felt rather weak.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 3:20 pm

                • You mentioned Treblinka in a long comment.

                  I wrote about Treblinka on my website after my visit to the camp in 1998. I was the only person there, besides my travel guide.
                  I am convinced that Treblinka was a transit camp: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/Treblinka01.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 3:57 pm

                • I believe It had transfers… that’s really it. I haven’t herd of any Jewish tales from there that would constitute a Transit. And all of Erics people are just transfers, as they were sent to other camps, not out east.

                  Though I have already read the link you are providing.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 4:17 pm

                • You wrote: “Though I do question the Red and [the] White house… They are areas that are quite open for me… From what I know only children were gassing in these places,”

                  The children were not “gassing” anyone and no children were being gassed.

                  I wrote about the little white house on my website at
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Birkenau03.html

                  AFAIK, the remains of the “little red house” have not been found.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 4:10 pm

                • Thanks for the corrections, mostly in a rush. Anyway I don’t know to much about the buildings. I saw a video about the little red house and it said majority of the people gassed in it were children.

                  As for the white house I’m not sure. Auschwitz is something I need to go and do a detailed visit of.

                  The best thing I can tell you about the houses is their intention was to act as temporary gassing felicities while Krema 3 was under construction.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 4:31 pm

                • You wrote: “He didn’t even know a thing about the Bone mill, and went onto call it a cement mixer without evidence.”

                  I wrote about the bone crusher on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/03/31/crushing-the-bones-of-the-holocaust-victims/

                  I personally think that the so-called “bone crusher” is, in fact, a cement mixer.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 2:04 pm

                • Calling it a cement mixer seems to be pushing it. Inconvenient history seems to even have found the Ball mill that it looks like.

                  http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2013/volume_5/number_3/the_bone_mill_of_lemberg.php

                  And if its a Ball Mill as Mattogno makes it out to be, it doesn’t really change the story at all. It quite well could destroy bones… Now tell me FG. Does the Bone Mill used by Action 1005 look closer to the Ball mill or a Cement mixer?

                  Cause Its quite clear to me FG that its a:

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 2:41 pm

          • What are “bystanders”? Are they the folks who got work detail instead of the gas hut?

            Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 7:10 am

            • “What are “bystanders”? Are they the folks who got work detail instead of the gas hut?”

              Polish villagers and railway workers.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 7:24 am

              • Were they prisoners the nazis put to work? When you say rail workers,I’m guessing they were the ones who did the heavy work on the rail lines

                Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 7:31 am

                • “Were they prisoners the nazis put to work? When you say rail workers,I’m guessing they were the ones who did the heavy work on the rail lines”

                  No, not prisoners. The Nazis kept a lot of the Polish bureaucracy around, this included railway workers, police officers, that sort of thing. It was easier than replacing them.
                  Many of these Poles worked with the Polish Underground.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 8:46 am

      • I like how Jim keeps saying that its impossible for block 11 to be used as a Gas chamber, and yet this guy made a gas chamber form an aquarium, some plastic tubes, and a plastic bottle…

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 12:53 pm

        • Some observations on how deniers combat gas chambers:

          They think it’s really hard to make a gas chamber. They look at them like Leuchter did, state of the art facilities that follow federal and OSHA guidelines.

          The reality is you can make a gas chamber out of any room you can seal. If you look at the delousing buildings at Auschwitz they are simple buildings of brick and wood. They don’t require tall chimneys or state of the art doors. They can simply be sealed. ZB was a common pesticide used to fumigate office buildings, ships, even orchards. The main precaution was to seal the doors and windows.
          As far as Carbon Monoxide, the same thing applies…..even if the building is not air tight it will function efficiently. People die in garages from Carbon Monoxide poisoning.

          The next observation that I have is that deniers think humans are hard to kill. We are not. Overloading a room, sealing the door and not allowing anyone out will cause death from suffocation. Add something toxic and we die faster. Cyanide kills humans very quickly because of our quicker metabolism and advanced respiratory system. The same thing applies for Carbon Monoxide poisoning.

          I’ve also noticed that deniers love to ask endless series of questions but hate being asked questions. They also never have any real answers

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 1:07 pm

  4. What Was Kulmhof/Chelmno ? by Ingrid Weckert – http://codoh.com/library/document/1546/

    Chelmno A German Camp In History and Propaganda by Carlo Mattogno – http://codoh.com/library/document/1205/ The entire book can be downloaded as a pdf from this link.

    Comment by Les — June 27, 2016 @ 5:38 pm

    • Sorry to disappoint you, Les, but Chelmno was a death camp.
      Unless you subscribe to the theory that Chelmno was a transit camps……if you do then I’m sure you can enlighten us where exactly the Jews were transited TOO.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

    • Les…. thank you for the references the revisionist have the best information out there. The Holohucksters who write their Books really don’t know what they’re talking about but the revisionists seem to be on top of it more than anyone. Just to show you how off-the-wall the Holohucksters are I’m going to show you what they say about the holes in the roof in Auschwitz Krema 1 and you’ll see how confused these people are because they don’t even know how many holes in the roof of Krema 1 even though we who know what’s going on when in actuality there weren’t any holes in roof.
      But as we all know if there are no holes then there was no Holocaust.
      Dazed and confused about Krema from the revisionist book Auschwitz Crematorium 1 by
      Carlo Mottogno
      Quote p.89.
      According to official historiography, the morgue was transformed into a homicidal gas chamber from September 1941 on by fitting it with two gas-
      tight doors and breaking an uncertain number of openings for the introduction of Zyklon B through its roof. The number of openings testified to was, in fact, one for Rudolf Höss (session of March 12, 1947, of his trial), two for Stanisaw Jankowski and for Hans Stark, three for Jean-Claude Pressac, four
      for the Soviet commission of investigation, and six for Pery Broad and Filip Müller. Last but not least, the worker who allegedly made these openings the detainee Czesaw Sukowski – who should have been the person best informed about their number, their dimensions, their shape, their structure, and
      their location knew nothing about any of these.
      Who’s on first….
      Enough said…

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 5:48 pm

      • Hey, Jim?
        Jeff here.
        Hi.
        I just wanted to ask you:
        Do you read anything else besides the Holocaust Handbooks? Do any real research on your own?

        Because, frankly, all you do is repeat yourself over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
        Then, one more time. With feeling.
        Do you watch movies or TV for pleasure? Read different books, go for walks in the sunshine?
        Take vacations?
        Because, if you don’t, it might do you some good.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 6:09 pm

        • I am mostly reading the revisionist books now particular the 32 volumes of the Holocaust handbooks. What’s nice about reading them is they quote extensively from all the HoloHoax books that you’re talking about so I do get to see what’s in those books.
          There’s no doubt I spend a lot of time with the revisionists information but I do other things I take walks and things like that too. I do enjoy what I’m doing.
          One thing about being retired is you don’t have to worry about being anywhere, doing anything, or worrying about what’s going on for the most part, I just get up and do what I want on how I feel at the moment.
          My purpose in life at this point in time is to expose the HoloHoax lies for the damage it has done to so many innocent people, and save for posterity thtough video and print form those who have been so influential in their writings in doing so also. The reason why I know I’m so right is because how many evil people are trying to stop me from accomplishing what I’m doing. That doesn’t happen if you’re saying something wrong it only happens if you saying something right.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 6:25 pm

        • Jeff…. Do you really expect Jim to have a life outside his Job? That is if he even has one? I’m pretty sure with how often he posts here that he spends a good time at home… Most likely just complaining about Jews and Brazilians… When hes not posting here, then hes most likely posting on Codoh.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 8:01 pm

          • I don’t think CODOH would have him.

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 8:26 pm

            • Yeah, I can see them censoring him after some time. But you never know. I think he could be best at Rodoh.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 8:35 pm

              • He could offer Hannover a chance to do a video.

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 8:42 pm

                • Lol Hannover makes Jim look like the Raul Hillburg of revisionism. Anon sends me some of Hannovers posts every now and then. He’s basically like Ward from Rodoh…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:15 pm

          • Like I mentioned in a past post I’m retired don’t have to work live comfortably spend my days researching Holocaust issues at night relax watching documentaries on the topics that’s are very interesting also, do some traveling to acquire good video on same topic. I’m pretty well rounded in what’s up in the world, am knowledgeable about a lot of different things but my passion is obviously the HoloHoax and why people believe the way they do in it which I can’t understand especially knowing that most of the people that are part of the hoax are lying.
            In regards to the illegal immigration issue that’s a lost cause because the Jews have made this country a welcoming country to everybody and there’s nothing we can do about it. Article in the paper today Boston Globe about towns taking in refugees can you imagine like we don’t have enough but the people behind it of the Liberal Loonie bird Jews.
            United States is going down for the count.
            One thing is for sure the Jews have ruined this country and pretty much all the other countries in the world and we’re paying the price for it.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 8:36 pm

            • Jim, you have to prove they are lying, and are not just inflating their testimony.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:12 pm

              • There are probably thousands of Holocaust Survivors like this guy that was just lying there brains out

                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/24/holocaust-survivor-lied-joseph-hirt-auschwitz

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 9:23 pm

                • The guy who exposed him relied off resources provided by the USHMM. He said the following statement as well Jim.

                  “I want to be clear – I am not a Holocaust denier,” Reid wrote in his own letter, noting that he got his first job from a concentration camp survivor. “It is partly in his memory and for the preservation of the truth of what millions of people endured that I have taken upon myself the task of exposing Mr Hirt’s shameful deception.”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:31 pm

              • I’m not saying these people lied or anything like that,but I know first hand,prosecution can coach the shit outta the Wits. That’s how I ended up pullin a nickle.

                Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 7:38 am

                • True, but the the issue is that I don’t intend to argue with Jim about witnesses who’s testimony I haven’t even read yet.

                  For all I know he could be stretching their testimony past what is actually written.

                  Now Tim, here is a simple question.

                  Would you engage someone in a debate over a book you haven’t read?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 8:38 am

                • Why would I do that? I don’t know what the books about

                  Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 1:54 pm

                • Exactly why I don’t argue with Jim over testimony.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 2:17 pm

                • “I’m not saying these people lied or anything like that,but I know first hand,prosecution can coach the shit outta the Wits. That’s how I ended up pullin a nickle.”

                  The prevailing documentation, plus physical evidence, backs up the witness statements.

                  Historians don’t just use witness statements, Tim. Witness statements can only fill in the blanks.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 8:50 am

                • Okay . On to the next thing. What are your thoughts on the flag Donald Halls family donated to the holo museum. Sorry,but that ones just too hard to swallow

                  Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 10:30 am

                • I wrote about the two divisions which liberated Dachau on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/LiberationDay3.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 30, 2016 @ 10:47 am

                • Go to YouTube . Put the name Donald Hall in the search box. A video should pop up of Halls family donating a flag to the u s holo museum. A prisoner at the prison was so grateful to be liberated,” he gathered enough material to make a flag and gave it to the soldier”. Look at the video on YouTube . The late Donald Halls family is donating the flag to the holo museum that the liberated Jew made for the soldier at the prison. Watch the video. Look at the flag the Jew supposedly made for Donald Hall,at the prison. It’s impossible. No way the Jew could’ve made this flag at the prison and gave it to Hall

                  Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 1:50 pm

            • Thought I heard you mention retirement Jimbo.

              Comment by Tim — June 30, 2016 @ 7:28 am

    • Ah! Mattongos good old argument of the Ball mill…😄 He tried to use it as an argument that the Bone mill wasn’t used to crushing bones, and yet he decided it was a ball mill.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 5:49 pm

  5. It was a death camp, and if anyone here wishes to say otherwise I am more then happy to listen.

    Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 7:34 pm

    • As many units they had,wouldn’t have made more sense to make each with a gas hut? I’m not saying they could’ve done it on a grand scale. Couldn’t they have a couple big prisons,that were in a central location and use them for like freight terminal ( before anyone goes off on me,I’m not referring to anyone of the prisoners as an object. I use this analogy,because the bigger prison would operate like a transfer terminal). Get the big loads to the freight terminals,then sort off the folks to their final destination . With as many people they wanted to get rid of,it seems like they could’ve used these satellite prisons ( I guess that’s what they were. Don’t see how they were the size of the big boys), to help with smaller groups

      Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 8:05 pm

      • The camp was more so a test run, as well it was the very first death camp, meaning it had no prior experience to run off from other then the Einsatzgruppen. Regardless of what one might consider a better way to operate it, that doesn’t mean it didn’t work. Before this point in time the Germans didn’t really create dedicated gas chamber inside remote locations in which victims were sent to be gassed on mass, instead they would drive to them. Chelmno was a camp that ran off from past experience, as well did Belzec, which used CO bottles and later shifted over to Petrol exhaust.

        Chelmno was operating quite well, as it had petrol based vans which would gas the victims as it drove to the crematorium. It was efficient in disguising itself as a transit camp to its inmates, it wasn’t efficient in killing on mass like Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor which all killed well over chelmno in a shorter amount of time.

        Chelmno is best described as an experiment that just stayed an experiment.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 8:16 pm

        • Well my view on it,people are always looking for ways to improve on shit. Then again their motto might have been,” if shits not broke,don’t try to fix it”.

          Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 8:52 pm

          • That’s the issue, it’s called the EU and it’s made Europe ultra progressive. Change needs to happen gradually, and refutations of denial should be met like that of the Irving trial. Not by debate, but exposing the opponents complaints to not matter or to be outright lies.

            I have tried my best here and with Jim it doesn’t take much effort.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 9:14 pm

            • Unfortunately for the globalists and the bankers the people of Britain have decided that the ” ultra progressive EU” is not for them .

              Comment by peter — June 27, 2016 @ 11:29 am

              • To be honest, that’s going to crash the European economy a bit… It was quite a poor move on their part as they need to write new trade laws.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 11:33 am

                • It might crash the income of Mr Soros and your globalist friends but it is the will of the people ; a people who dont like being treated as shares to be bought and sold and moved here and there for the interests of some New York banker.

                  Comment by peter — June 28, 2016 @ 3:38 am

          • Tim, I honestly don’t know why but this issue seems to only be happening this you. Anyway, Chelmno was operating the same way from the start as thats what they found effective. As well they were constantly trying to improve, especially in the area of cremation. Hoess said the following in his memoir.

            “Blobel had already conducted various experiments in Kulmhof [Chelmno],17 which tried to burn the bodies in various ways. He was ordered by Eichmann to show me the installations. I drove with Hossler to Chelmno for an inspection.18 Blobel had different auxiliary ovens built and used wood and leftover gasoline for the burnings. He also tried using dynamite to blow up the corpses, but he had very little success with this method. After the bones were ground up into dust in the bone mills, the ashes were scattered in nearby wooded areas.”

            They did end up with a strangely modeled furnace.

            “They were built deep in the ground and did not project above its surface; and were shaped like inverted cones with rectangular bases. At the top on the ground level the furnaces measured 6 x 10 m (2O x 33 ft.) and they were 4 m (13 ft.) deep. At the bottom by the ash-pit they measured 1.5 x 2 m (95 x 6 in. ft.). The grates were made of rails. A channel to the ash-pit ensured the admittance of air and permitted the removal of ashes and bones. The sides of the furnace were made of firebrick and faced with cement. In the furnace were alternate layers of chopped wood and corpses: to facilitate combustion, space was left between the corpses. The furnace could hold 100 corpses at a time, but as they burned down, fresh ones were added from above.”

            http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/chelmno/report.html

            Well now we just need Jim to come and complain about chelmno now.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 4:15 pm

            • You gave a link to the Nizkor website. The creators of that website are all dead now, and it has not been updated for many years. It was created around 1993. More information is now known.

              Comment by furtherglory — June 27, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

              • Dead in what way exactly? You mean they have gone off record? This is correct in this manner… But I believe that McVay is still alive. I think hes in his 70’s now, as for the others I am not sure.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

              • I stumbled across that site ,after I’d been reading your site for a couple months . I figured something was hinkey with it. I’d read articles on there. It wasn’t the big things,it was the little differences between your site and theirs that made me think something was amiss

                Comment by Tim — June 28, 2016 @ 7:37 am

                • There’s nothing hinky about Nizkor, Tim. FG is a Holocaust denier, what she writes and what Nizkor has is going to be different. Nizkor provides the actual history.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 8:33 am

                • Nizkor introduction

                  Dedicated to 12 million Holocaust victims who suffered and died
                  at the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime

                  So I’m going to believe a site that doesn’t even have the number right…..LOL

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 8:43 am

                • Nizkor introduction

                  Dedicated to 12 million Holocaust victims who suffered and died
                  at the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime

                  “So I’m going to believe a site that doesn’t even have the number right…..LOL”

                  Nizkor counts the Jewish and non-Jewish victims.

                  You don’t realize this because Jews are your obsession.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 8:47 am

        • Click – you say they used petrol engines at Belzec? – but the USHMM claims that it was diesel engines.

          Can you provide your source for the use of CO bottles at Belzec?

          You say that Chelmno is best described as an experiment that just stayed as an experiment, but according to Jeff, there were these gans vans functioning all over the place in the occupied Soviet Union – and the HC website says even at Auschwitz. So it must have been more than an experiment.

          But talking of experiments – don’t you think it would be a good idea to carry out some kind of controlled test on a modern, similar type and style of vehicle to establish once-and-for-all if this “gas van” system of mass murder actually worked in practise?

          Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 6:02 am

          • How about doing a test run on a gas chamber with 2000 people in it with no space to even move throwing in zyclon B and seeing if it would work that would be a real good test but hey even that we can get around how about just putting meters in the room and throwing the ZB in through the ceiling and seeing if it’s going to poof into a magical gas that could kill people nothing makes sense about this HoloHoax they can’t prove it they can’t even find the bodies they can’t find anything about it but they sure have made up a good story.

            Treblinka deaths lies

             Here the claims of the witnesses who speak of the high death counts of Treblinka….they verge on pure insanity. For instance, Abe Kon had the nerve to make the following statement: “In this way, they exterminated 15,000 to 18,000 persons a day. It went on like that for two months.” Stainslaw sings the same tune: “Within 13 months they killed 15,000 to 18,000 people there.” At his interrogation of September 26, 1944, Samuel Rajzman stated: “Every day 5-6 transports with 60 boxcars each arrived in the camp. Of course, there were days on which 1-2 trains arrived, but that was an exception, not the rule. Six to seven thousand people arrived with each transport.” This corresponds to 24,000, even 28,000, people daily! In 1946, Rajzman gave figures on the same order of magnitude: “Every day there were about 20,000 corpses. […] There were days on which up to 25,000 people were killed.” A further witness, Stanis aw Borowy, testified that 12,000 to 18,000 deportees arrived daily in trains with 60 boxcars with 150 to 200 occupants each. Jankiel Wiernik wrote: “Between ten and twelve thousand people were gassed each day. […] There were periods when as many as 20,000 people were gassed in one day.” Incredibly, these insanities were accepted by the court of a Western European nation as the unvarnished truth! In the verdict of the Düsseldorf Court of Assizes, ref. 8 I Ks 2/64, p. 88, one Manfred Blank declared: “In Treblinka many times up to 5 transports with an average of 6,000 people each arrived in one day.” According to this, up to 30,000 people were reaching Treblinka daily! According to the transport lists provided by Arad, from July 22 to September 30, 1942, thus within a period of 70 days, approximately 500,000 Jews were deported to Treblinka and murdered there, although at that time only the first of the two gassing installations is supposed to have existed. This corresponds to a figure of more than 7,100 persons gassed per day! Since, according to the verdict of the above mentioned Düsseldorf trial, each of the three gas chambers  could hold a maximum of 350 persons, and thus the total capacity of the three chambers amounted to 1,050 persons, that would have meant no less than seven gassing operations per day per chamber, each of which is supposed to have taken less than three-and-a-half hours. According to the witnesses, however, the chambers were never in operation 24 hours a day, not even when 20,000 victims per day were coming in! In A. Donat’s anthology, we read: “On such days the gas chambers were in operation until 1 a.m. and finished off more than 20,000 corpses within 24 hours.” The number of persons assumed by the Düsseldorf Court of Assizes to have been gassed at one time (21 to 22 people per square meter) is of course unrealistic and was only adopted because otherwise the astronomical number of people gassed given by the witnesses would never have been reached. Even the Soviets, famed as masters of exaggeration, assumed a density of no more than 6 persons per square meter in their calculation of the capacity of the rooms alleged to have been ‘gas chambers’ in the Majdanek camp. Even if one assumes the highest density theoretically possible – 10 people per square meter – the three ‘gas chambers’ of the first installation would have been able to hold a maximum of 480 persons per process, so that 15 gassings would have been necessary to kill 7,100 people or more. Under these conditions, one gassing procedure, including all the accompanying steps, such as filling and emptying the chambers, would have had to have been completed in something over an hour and a half, and this would have to be done day in and day out for a period of 70 days! This sort of thing should have been greeted with roars of contemptuous laughter, but Gerald Reitlinger and Jean-Claude Pressac are the only representatives of the official historiography who mustered the minimum of courage needed to reject this insult to ordinary common sense! 

            Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 6:21 am

            • You are quite right, Jim – tests and experiments with “gas vans and gas chambers” need to be carried out before we can accept that these methods of mass killing actually worked. One doesn’t need real human beings to be pushed into them, because modern-day monitoring equipment can be deployed to see if the gas will distribute itself correctly, and the heating and ventilation systems ( that’s if they even existed ) functioned according to the narratives that we’ve been given.

              Without these tests being undertaken, then normal, sensible people who require proper verifiable proof are going to keep questioning these methods of mass murder.

              Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 7:22 am

              • They have refused to do any investigative forensic research in these buildings because they know what they will come up with…. the facts will show that they are wrong. But then again the Holohucksters want us to prove that it didn’t happen which I find very interesting because how do you disprove something that didn’t happen.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 7:34 am

                • Jim, the only people who are of the “Revisionist” background who care about real history are Irving, Cole, and Weber. Stop making fucking games up out of nowhere. I also don’t have the resources to go gather up 1000 people lock them in a room then drop cyanide down on them. Its retarded…. do you know why? Because its MURDER.

                  People don’t generally volunteer in the thousands to get gassed you know… I do know 4 holocaust deniers did it though. Their test was idiotic.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:31 am

                • I’m sure there’s plenty of testing equipment out there that can take readings of these so-called gas Chambers and tell you exactly if It could happen w gat you Holohucksters are saying happened.
                  Any murder scene can be recreated they just don’t want to do it because they know what the answer will be …..you’re not that stupid are you to believe they couldn’t do it.
                  But then again maybe you are.
                  Considering that you think a body can be cremated in 20 minutes and dropping pellets of zyclon B through an opening in the roof goes poof to make a gas that kills people I can see how you believe it.
                  You also believe you can pile up bodies thirty feet high put them on wood and burn them all that there is nothing’s left to them just bones and Ashes that’s another joke. You’re just a plain Miracle man I guess and what you believe. And lastly out of all the millions of people the Jews are the only ones that come with a story all the other people that had problems in these camps what are the deaf dumb and blind now.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 10:14 am

                • You’re putting words in my fucking mouth. Not once did I say the following was possible.

                  “You also believe you can pile up bodies thirty feet high put them on wood and burn them all that there is nothing’s left to them just bones and Ashes that’s another joke.”

                  Stop creating fucking strawman’s.

                  I have explained to you that heating systems were used, so Zyklon would escape quite well. As well with Pressacs ventilation system you point of the gas hanging around is a non issue.

                  “8000 ÷ 504 = 15.8 air exchanges per hour”

                  Mattogno hasn’t proven Pressac wrong in anyway but he does claim that it was 9.5 air exchanges.

                  Your creating a strawman to try and demean my arguments Jim, not once have I said most of what you claim here. It’s just your average idiotic bantering, just like your “Teeth don’t brake well” claim.

                  I have shown you crematorium 2 documents which clearly say gas chamber on them in german, but your just to idiotic to read them.

                  Who here is Blind Jim? Who here was the dumb ass that claimed teeth don’t brake easily? That was you.

                  Stop creating stawmen and make a real case for why there were no gassings at Auschwtiz. You also haven’t responded to anything I said about the Einzatgrouppen, or anything I have said about Treblinka, so stop moving around the matters that are of issue. Even Tal can at least stay on topic, you can’t.

                  Also how is what I believe a miracle? You believe a book that says a man split the fucking sea… If that’s not a miracle, then I don’t know what a miracle is then. Cause that doesn’t sound look it had any scientific evidence for it Jim.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 11:32 am

                • I would say that its possible to burn bodies on cremation grills though… Dresden proved it quite well.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

          • “you say they used petrol engines at Belzec”

            I don’t care what USHMM claims Tal… They have some areas which are accurate but they don’t update their site as much as it need to be.

            Rudolf Reder claims he carried 4 to 5 cans of Petrol to the gas chambers engine.

            Kasimierz Czerniak an engineer who helped build the shed in which the engine was stored identified the engine as Petrol. According to some sources he also helped install it. He was used inside the soviet report on Belzec.

            And while Kurt Gerstein said it was a Diesel engine, he also tells us that he never saw the engine. Does this help you Tal?

            “You say that Chelmno is best described as an experiment that just stayed as an experiment, but according to Jeff, there were these gans vans functioning all over the place in the occupied Soviet Union”

            Its an experiment… Look at my reasoning for why I said that Tal. Its very simple. Instead of taking the vans to the Jews, they brought the Jews to the vans. Perhaps you don’t understand the words “It was the first death camp.”

            “and the HC website says even at Auschwitz.”

            I asked you a question about this a long time ago… does it specify what camp the van was used? and at what time was it used? The 4 krema of auschwitz 2 were not always up Tal… and Auschwitz 3 never had any gas chambers… Auschwitz 1’s gas chamber shut down in 43… Answer the questions I have provided.

            “But talking of experiments – don’t you think it would be a good idea to carry out some kind of controlled test on a modern, similar type and style of vehicle to establish once-and-for-all if this “gas van” system of mass murder actually worked in practise?”

            No… That would be literally Idiotic… Who wound end someones life inside of the back of a converted Petrol van?

            Also if your going to argue the Gas vans were not Petrol, then I direct you to Otto Piller…. He says the exhaust fumes were “produced by the gasoline engine”

            (Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas: Page 98)

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:16 am

            • Click – Rudolf Reder’s testimony is practically worthless – I don’t believe he was ever in Belzec, but was put up to his wild story by the Polish secret police who found him living in Lemburg with his housekeeper immediately after the liberation of the region. They suspected that he was an informer working for the gestapo because he never referred to the SS by name – always “the gestapo”. I suspect they put mighty pressure on him to cooperate with their Belzec fantasy, which they were in the business of concocting, by threatening him with prosecution as a Nazi spy.

              But the main reason we can’t trust Reder’s account, is because it is not corroborated by any anyone else; and in addition, he claims that he had access to all of the camp, and was taking part – or witnessing – every part of the process. A most unlikely story.

              So, Click, you claim to know better than either the USHMM or Yad Vashem – the two most prestigious holocaust institutions in the world – about what the weapon of mass murder was in Belzec. Yad Vashem is not even confident enough to say anything at all – it just says “poison gas”. And you didn’t tell us in your reply about your source for alleging that the SS was initially using carbon monoxide cylinders. It was Hermie, the other day, who pointed out a very prescient fact about this arrangement;- it would mean that the Nazis were first using a technically sound, and industrially produced system of poison gas, but later, the process degenerated into the most ramshackle and primitive method imaginable ( and in the process using up valuable gasoline ).

              When I suggested that experiments be undertaken on a modern vehicle – similar in design and size to the alleged “gas vans”, I was definitely not asking for people to be locked inside. But if you look back to a reply I gave to Jeff yesterday, on FG’s previous article, then you can see that what I am actually proposing, is for real physical evidence that will prove that such “gas vans” could actually function as viable and workable weapons of mass murder.

              Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 10:09 am

              • Rudolfs testimony is from Belzec, and your opinion is not an argument of value Tal. You need to prove the Polish Secret Police put him up to it, where is the document since you are making the assertion?

                And also this is ignoring my point completely, I also mentioned a person who even installed the engine.

                I never said that I know better then USHMM, but it’s not hard to point out that their website some areas is “Outdated”… As for Yad Vahsem some of their images are mislabeled, but they generally will correct it. I never really said a thing about Yad Vashem… But long story short Belzec used a petrol engine.

                I honestly am not looking to Yad Vashems as a source. All the serious organizations of the holocaust are the Museums of the camps, and the people who are the acting historian of that camp. So I personally would take Van Pelts word about Auschwitz over the USHMM. Though I do have to say that I like USHMM’s findings. They found bullet casings of the bullets used by the Einzatgrouppen.

                Anyone with a simple bit of knowledge would see that you never even asked for a source on the carbon monoxide bottles.

                “The gas first used at Belzec was bottled, either the same preparation of carbon monoxide that had been shipped to the …”
                (Destruction of the European Jews page 936)

                Only someone not informed wouldn’t know this… Even The (encyclopedia of the holocaust) says Belzec originally used CO bottles. Which I’m sure Jim will try to take advantage of since I mentioned it… The book misidentified so many photographs and has some outrageous claims.

                Also just so you know Tal, just cause something was “primitive” doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So don’t start trying the poor logic of 1/3rd of the holocaust.

                Also your claim is beside the point. you can claim the Germans wouldn’t waste petrol but the issue with that is Petrol wasn’t very hard to get, in fact Diesel was harder to get…

                And no the idea of using a modern car is poor reasoning as well, engine exhaust is less polluted now then it was back then. Tal your demands are describable as poor thought… Anyone knows that if someone hooks a hose they can kill someone, all the Germans would have to do is the same thing the Soviet’s did. Anyway these vans were just a car with a sealed trunk… And no glass.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 11:18 am

            • “You say that Chelmno is best described as an experiment that just stayed as an experiment, but according to Jeff, there were these gans vans functioning all over the place in the occupied Soviet Union”

              Just to clarify, I never said they were “functioning all over the place.”
              As far as I can tell, there were never that many gas vans in existence at at any given time. Gassing vehicles show up in Poland for Sondercommando Lange in 1940 to murder Polish psychiatric patients. These vehicles operated by using cylinders of Carbon Monoxide gas attached to the side. We have experiments in Mauthaussen using gas vans in 1941, the experiments were done using Red Army POWs, we have gas vans used by various Einsatzgruppen in Riga, Smolensk and Mogilev and finally at Chelmno.
              I don’t know the exact amount of gas vans manufactured. It doesn’t appear any survived the war, frankly destroying a van or disguising its purpose is far easier than destroying standing gas chambers.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 10:13 am

              • You wrote: “Gassing vehicles show up in Poland for Sondercommando Lange in 1940 to murder Polish psychiatric patients.”

                I mentioned “gas vans” on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/in-the-final-solution-where-and-how-did-the-chelmno-death-camp-fit-in/

                I don’t believe that “gas vans” existed.

                Comment by furtherglory — June 27, 2016 @ 11:07 am

                • Opinion is beside the point FG…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 12:03 pm

                • How about these factoids….
                  We’re these just opinions also…….LOL

                  ABSURD CLAIMS ABOUT THE “HOLOCAUST”
                  The “holocaust” has been elevated to the status of a secular religion. Indeed, it IS the real religion of much of Europe and North America’s ruling and political class. They may sneer at Christianity, but those who express doubts or skepticism about some of the claims of this new religion find themselves flung into prison across Europe (David Irving, Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Vincent Reyounard, Ursula Haverbeck, Sylvia Stolz and thousands more) and in Canada (Arthur Topham; Ernst Zundel) and Australia (Fredrik Toben). It is an intolerant religion which enforces belief in its tenets. Hypocritical European leaders like France’s Francois Holland and Germany’s Angela Merkel may march proclaiming free speech when Charlie Hebdo, a Trotskyist satirical magazine which mocks Christianity and Islam (but never Judaism) is attacked by Moslem terrorists, but they cheerfully jail or fine their own countrymen for doubting the new religion of “holocaust”.

                  This religion seeks to impose self-destructive guilt on European people and, of course, extract billions in compensation/reparation for events that may or may not have happened more than 70 years ago. It is a religion of manipulation and control.

                  Along the way, its preachers have made claims that are absurd and laughable, as preposterous as the nonsense of some primitive religion that insisted that thunder was made by the giant god Oogabooga breaking dinosaur bones up on his mountain.  

                  DISSECTING THE HOLOCAUST,  was written by Ernst Gauss Pages  128-131 detail  ABSURD CLAIMS (everywhere) (buckle up – it’s bizarre) made over the years by preachers of the “holocaust”> Doesn’t get any more UNREAL…. oh, wait… IT IS. Thousands of people were convicted of crimes against humanity because of these statements. NO ONE could challenge them. No cross examination, NO DEFENSE. No rules of evidence. If it was stated, IT WAS TRUE. Submitted for your approval:

                  Examples of Absurd Claims Regarding the Alleged National Socialist Genocide:

                  — child surviving six gassings in a gas chamber that never existed;

                  — woman survived three gassings because Nazis kept running out of gas;

                  — fairy tale of a bear and an eagle in a cage, eating one Jew per day;

                  — mass graves expelling geysers of blood; erupting and exploding mass graves;

                  — soap production from human fat with imprint “RIF ” – ‘Reine Juden Seife’ (pure Jewish soap), solemn burial of soap;

                  And More Preposterous Claims

                  — The SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh (‘RIW’– ‘Reine Juden Wurst’?);

                  — lampshades, book covers, driving gloves for SS officers, saddles, riding breeches, house slippers, and ladies handbags of human skin;

                  — pornographic pictures on canvasses made of human skin; 
                  — mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KL commander Koch (Buchenwald); — production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;

                  — acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;

                  — muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contracted so strongly that they made the buckets jump about;

                  — an SS-father potshooting babies thrown into the air while 9-year old SS-daughter applauds and shrieks: “Papa, do it again; do it again, Papa!”

                  — Jewish children used by Hitler-Youth for target practice;

                  — wagons disappearing on an incline into the underground crematoria in Auschwitz (such facilities never existed);

                  — forcing prisoners to lick stairs clean, and collect garbage with their lips;

                  —  injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;

                  — first artificially fertilize women at Auschwitz, then gas them;

                  — torturing people in specially mass-produced “torture boxes” made by Krupp;

                  —  torturing people by shooting at them with wooden bullets to make them talk;

                  — smacking people with special spanking machines;

                  — killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrogen cyanide (which, scientifically considered, evaporates quickly and would endanger those who pouring it into said glass);

                  — killing people with poisoned soft drinks;  

                  And Still More Preposterous Claims

                  — Underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;

                  — blast 20,000 Jews into the twilight zone with atomic bombs (which were never exploded in Germany!)

                  — ;killing in vacuum chamber, hot steam or chlorine gas;

                  — mass murder in hot steam chamber;

                  — mass murder by tree cutting: forcing people to climb trees, then cutting the trees down;

                  — killing a boy by forcing him to eat sand;

                  — gassing Soviet POWs in a quarry;

                  — gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits;

                  — delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;

                  — rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;

                  — beating people to death, then carrying out autopsies to see why they died

                  — ;introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles;

                  — electrical conveyor-belt executions;

                  — bashing people’s brains in with a pedal-driven brain-bashing machine while listening to the radio;

                  — cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;

                  — cremation of human bodies using no fuel at all;

                  — 394 x skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;

                  — mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans

                  — killing 840,000 Russian POWs at Sachsenhausen, and burning the bodies in 4 portable ovens;

                  — removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;

                  — SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;

                  — out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;
                  — blue haze after gassing with hydrogen cyanide (which is colorless);

                  — singing of national anthems and the Communist International by the victims in the gas chamber;

                  — evidence of atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;

                  — a twelve-year old boy giving an impressive and heroic speech in front of the other camp children before being ‘gassed’;

                  — filling the mouths of victims with cement to prevent them from singing patriotic or communist songs.

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 12:14 pm

                • “DISSECTING THE HOLOCAUST, was written by Ernst Gauss”

                  That’s actually Germar Rudolph.

                  That’s funny, he actually wrote a whole book under one of his pseudonyms.

                  The fact that he did so immediately makes the book suspect.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

                • Lol Jeff, he doesn’t actually read the books… That would be expecting to much out of Jim. He just looks at the pictures and thinks “wow! This book makes a great point!”. That is without even knowing the point. It’s like the issue of the Ball mill.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

                • The thing is Jim, compare what you have listed here to what I have advocated… You will see history has been revised since then… You have also ignored inflammatory testimonies from other events. By your logic someone could claim Dresden never happened.This guy right here just proves my point.

                  http://mileswmathis.com/dresden.pdf

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

    • Click wrote: “It was a death camp, and if anyone here wishes to say otherwise I am more then happy to listen.”

      Chelmno gained its reputation as a death camp in June 1942, when the London Daily Telegraph decided to recycle an old anti-German war lie of 1916 for atrocity propaganda purposes.


      The Daily Telegraph (London), June 25, 1942

      Same methods, same liars, same claims, different times…

      Comment by hermie — June 27, 2016 @ 4:08 am

      • Hermie, read over both the news papers. Beside the numbers what things do these posts share in common? Well hermie? What do they share?

        These are inflammatory story’s and if you want to use them for an argument you would need to also deny Dresden…. At Dresden people claimed they watch people melt into puddles. There is plenty of evidence of Austrian atrocities, and no they didn’t use gas chambers. They did commonly shoot people, and I believe the estimate was somethings like 7,000 or something? I’m not a well versed with World War One Austrian atrocities, though I know the rape of Belgium quite well.

        I am not sure I would blame these people for assuming the worst. Especially when this was a common site in their country.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 5:24 am

        • Click: “Hermie, read over both the news papers. Beside the numbers what things do these posts share in common? Well hermie? What do they share?”

          The numbers (as you said): 700,000 victims
          The claim: many defenseless civilians – women, children and old people – butchered en masse by cruel human-looking monsters
          The perpetrators: Britain’s enemies of the day(s), i.e. the evil Germans and their allies
          The murder weapons: gas chambers (static in 1916, mobile in 1942) and blades (bayonets in 1916 and knives in 1942)
          The source: The London Daily Telegraph (i.e. the mouthpiece (propaganda organ) of the British Conservative Party)
          The childish fallacious Manichaeism of wannabe-heroes: ‘We’ are as good as ‘they’ are evil.
          The ambient conditions: a titanic world war (and everybody knows the identity of the first victim in any war: truth, of course)

          C’mon. Stop dancing around this thing. If the Daily Telegraph’s 1942 article was a song, its author would be convicted of plagiarism in the minute…

          Comment by hermie — June 27, 2016 @ 8:33 am

          • Hermie… That’s beside the point, one says people were killed by gas, without the exact method… The other tells us Mobile gas chambers… Do you not sense a huge difference between the two?

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:17 am

            • Click wrote: “Do you not sense a huge difference between the two?”

              No, I don’t. Because there’s no difference between the two. The only thing between the two is 26 years.

              Comment by hermie — June 28, 2016 @ 2:09 am

              • Hermie… “Gassed in Church” and “Gassed in Mobile Gas Chambers”

                Different methods completely, but there is a huge difference. The Austrians were more then willing to post their crimes… There is documentation of Gas Vans, which I am guessing Is what the 2nd one is based on.

                The methods are completely different dates are different… Might I also point out the Daily Telegraph also mentions they were murdered via “Bayonet”.

                The Victim are also different… Serbs and Jews… If people are complaining about the Jews in the case of the Holocaust then they should also be complaining about the Serbs…

                The only thing that they really share is 700,000 dead…. And death by some type of gas… The First one doesn’t even mention it, it just say its “Asphyxiating” gas. This doesn’t make it an easy comparison. This death via gas is way to vague though. In the Mobile gas van story we get more details. Right under “Slaughter by gas”. It says they were killed via that of “Special Types of Vans” Which exactly what I believe the title of this papers to be about. Its location of subject is Chelmno… Which we know to have used gas vans. Where they are getting this information I would need to read to find out.

                Th Austrians were more then willing to take photographs of their crimes and spread them throughout the Serbian public. If they were gassing people I’m sure they would be spreading the word.

                The first one seems to distress from the same issue that Claude Rebbi faced when writing his book “Napoleons crimes”. It seems to be selective sources, since its relying only off 2 witnesses. That is based on where it says “The Italian Gov. has today published the testimonies of two Italian Prisoners who escaped from Austria through Serbia…”. This is even worse of a source then Claude Rebbi’s… He uses claims that napoleon gassed blacks inside of his ships. The Issue still stands that he tries to compare it to the holocaust saying that napoleon was a “Blueprint” for Hitler. In which this claim is absurd, as the chances Hitler was walking through some library deciding to read a random book and selecting one of Rebbis sources in beyond reality.

                Here’s the basic point to make here Hermie…. As the logic you have used behind your argument here is Correlation is Causation. The issue with such logic is that correlation does not imply causation. Rebbi tried to use the same logic in writings and it did not work.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

                • Click wrote: “Different methods completely, but there is a huge difference. ”

                  No greater differences than those between the alleged Holocaust gas chambers.

                  Normally, Jeff shoud post the pic of a giant duck at this point.

                  Click wrote: “There is documentation of Gas Vans, which I am guessing Is what the 2nd one is based on. ”

                  Documentation dully debunked long ago. No chapter on rebuttals and updates in the Hasbara handbook?😉

                  Click wrote: “The methods are completely”

                  Are CO gas chambers, engine exhaust gas chambers & HCN gas chambers very similar facilities for you???

                  Click wrote: “different dates are different…”

                  What?!? You mean WW1 and WW2 didn’t took place simultaneously?

                  Probably the most laughable thing ever written!! Amazing!

                  Click wrote: “Might I also point out the Daily Telegraph also mentions they were murdered via “Bayonet”.”

                  And the 1942 rehash claimed they were murdered with knives. Stabbed is stabbed. Stop waltzing like a Viennese baroness, please.

                  Click wrote: “The Victim are also different… Serbs and Jews”

                  Of course, the victims were different. Had British propagandists claimed that the Germans had just murdered hundreds of thousands of Serbs in Nazi-occupied Poland, they would have been ridiculed in the minute. The Nazis were notorious anti-Semites. So anti-Nazi atrocity propaganda of course focused on Jews. Obvious…

                  Click wrote: “If people are complaining about the Jews in the case of the Holocaust then they should also be complaining about the Serbs… ”

                  Are you claiming that 700,000 Serbs were actually murdered in gas chambers during WW1?!?

                  Click wrote: “And death by some type of gas… The First one doesn’t even mention it, it just say its “Asphyxiating” gas. This doesn’t make it an easy comparison. This death via gas is way to vague though. In the Mobile gas van story we get more details.”

                  We get more details because, unlike British propagandists during WW1, Zio-Soviet-Allied propagandists persisted in that path and ‘enriched’ their story through time. No more details in the Daily Telegraph’s propaganda article of June 1942.

                  Click wrote: “The Austrians were more then willing to take photographs of their crimes and spread them throughout the Serbian public. If they were gassing people I’m sure they would be spreading the word.”

                  Mass murder in communal gas chambers during WW1!? You’re seemingly on the verge of a great discovery. How could so many historians miss that one?

                  Click wrote: “The first one seems to distress from the same issue that Claude Rebbi faced when writing his book “Napoleons crimes”. It seems to be selective sources, since its relying only off 2 witnesses. That is based on where it says “The Italian Gov. has today published the testimonies of two Italian Prisoners who escaped from Austria through Serbia…”. ”

                  It was also in the Daily Telegraph’s propaganda article of March 1916 that documents undeniably proving those crimes were to be soon provided. Unfortunately, they visibly dropped that hoax after a short while and we’ll never know what kind of documentary forgeries they were about to produce in order to ‘prove’ their claim.

                  Click wrote: “This is even worse of a source then Claude Rebbi’s… He uses claims that napoleon gassed blacks inside of his ships. The Issue still stands that he tries to compare it to the holocaust saying that napoleon was a “Blueprint” for Hitler. In which this claim is absurd, as the chances Hitler was walking through some library deciding to read a random book and selecting one of Rebbis sources in beyond reality. ”

                  The number of testimonies changes nothing. One million bubbles are still mere empty spheres of soap bursting at first contact. There are many more testimonies about alien abductions, UFO sightings and ghosts than testimonies about Nazi gas chambers. But the existence of UFO’s, aliens and ghosts has not been proved despite that.

                  Comment by hermie — June 28, 2016 @ 2:43 pm

                • Click wrote: “Different methods completely, but there is a huge difference. ”

                  “No greater differences than those between the alleged Holocaust gas chambers.”

                  “Normally, Jeff shoud post the pic of a giant duck at this point.”

                  Ask and you shall receive.

                  Click wrote: “There is documentation of Gas Vans, which I am guessing Is what the 2nd one is based on. ”

                  “Documentation dully debunked long ago. No chapter on rebuttals and updates in the Hasbara handbook? ;-)”

                  Yeah, Talbot tried that. It didn’t work out too well.

                  Click wrote: “The methods are completely”

                  “Are CO gas chambers, engine exhaust gas chambers & HCN gas chambers very similar facilities for you???”

                  Well, they are all gas chambers. They just used different methods.

                  Click wrote: “different dates are different…”

                  “What?!? You mean WW1 and WW2 didn’t took place simultaneously?

                  Probably the most laughable thing ever written!! Amazing!”

                  I actually think the whole “Hitler was a gay British agent” was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.

                  I’ll let you and Click continue at this point.
                  You asked for a duck, I thought I’d oblige you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 3:06 pm

                • “No greater differences than those between the alleged Holocaust gas chambers.”

                  One was gassing people in a Church… The other was gassing people inside a Van… Were not talking about the in-placed gas chambers right now Hermie. The Article your trying to compare has a completely different method. There is hardly any relation what so ever. As well the Gas type used inside the Church is not given.

                  “Documentation dully debunked long ago. No chapter on rebuttals and updates in the Hasbara handbook?”

                  HC has already dealt with the fabrication claim… Get out of the past.

                  “Are CO gas chambers, engine exhaust gas chambers & HCN gas chambers very similar facilities for you???”

                  No but these are not of issue. The only issue right now is these news paper so this is completely irrelevant. The gas for the Serbians is not given… One more thing which adds to issue.

                  “What?!? You mean WW1 and WW2 didn’t took place simultaneously?
                  Probably the most laughable thing ever written!! Amazing!”

                  Sorry I don’t try to waste to much time in a comments section… I type as I go and don’t review. Sadly it still doesn’t change the point of different times.

                  “And the 1942 rehash claimed they were murdered with knives. Stabbed is stabbed. Stop waltzing like a Viennese baroness, please.”

                  Look at the other article from world war two and point to where it stats people were killed with Bayonets… Outside articles are not of issue. Right now we are talking about the current Two Hermie.

                  “Are you claiming that 700,000 Serbs were actually murdered in gas chambers during WW1?!?”

                  No, I never even said this once inside my post Hermie. I never said Serbs were gassed.

                  “We get more details because, unlike British propagandists during WW1, Zio-Soviet-Allied propagandists persisted in that path and ‘enriched’ their story through time. No more details in the Daily Telegraph’s propaganda article of June 1942. ”

                  This doesn’t need refutation… Its completely just Conspiracy without evidence to back it.

                  “Mass murder in communal gas chambers during WW1!? You’re seemingly on the verge of a great discovery. How could so many historians miss that one?”

                  Read over the quote again Hermie… My point was if the Austrians were gassing people they would have taken photographs. This was never implied.

                  Don’t even try to create this type of strawman.

                  The Point still stands that If the Austrians were willing to take pictures of them crucifying people, they would be willing to photograph them gassing people.

                  “It was also in the Daily Telegraph’s propaganda article of March 1916 that documents undeniably proving those crimes were to be soon provided. Unfortunately, they visibly dropped that hoax after a short while and we’ll never know what kind of documentary forgeries they were about to produce in order to ‘prove’ their claim.”

                  More conspiracy bullshit! There is no evidence for your claim and the Telegraph has only mentioned witnesses. This is it.

                  “The number of testimonies changes nothing. One million bubbles are still mere empty spheres of soap bursting at first contact. There are many more testimonies about alien abductions, UFO sightings and ghosts than testimonies about Nazi gas chambers. But the existence of UFO’s, aliens and ghosts has not been proved despite that.”

                  Totally… were now reverting to UFO’s? Zundel used to write about UFOS and the Nazis before moving onto the holocaust.

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20050312035521/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/whats-new.html

                  This is irrelevant, The argument wasn’t more so the number of witnesses. The point was these witnesses most likely had conflated memories, or just willingly lied. Ether way its unrelated and is not comparable to the Holocaust.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “I actually think the whole “Hitler was a gay British agent” was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.”

                  True that Holocaust believers made up all kinds of very funny stories over time. But I think Click’s brilliant discovery that a quarter century elapsed between WW1 and WW2 is a comedy gem in the annals of Holocaustianity.

                  Jeff wrote: “You asked for a duck, I thought I’d oblige you.”

                  And I thank you for that.

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 2:58 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I actually think the whole “Hitler was a gay British agent” was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.”

                  “True that Holocaust believers made up all kinds of very funny stories over time. But I think Click’s brilliant discovery that a quarter century elapsed between WW1 and WW2 is a comedy gem in the annals of Holocaustianity.”

                  That information showed up on a denier website, Hermie. That’s what makes it so funny.

                  Jeff wrote: “You asked for a duck, I thought I’d oblige you.”

                  “And I thank you for that.”

                  You are welcome.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 29, 2016 @ 5:07 am

                • Hermie, I don’t care for Jeffs arguments…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 5:52 am

                • If I have said something that offended you, you have my apologies.
                  Hermie and I go at each other all of the time, much of it is mocking one another.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 29, 2016 @ 6:02 am

                • No it’s not you Jeff, it seems Hermie doesn’t have an actual account. So he’s pretty much posting the exact same way as Lóegaire, cause Lóegaire isn’t a logged in account.

                  It’s mostly I don’t know if he’s on an logged in name. As generally you can click off the persons avatar and you by this you can find out if they have an account. So far I haven’t checked Hermie.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 6:08 am

                • Ah, I see.
                  Hermie doesn’t link to anything, I don’t either. Some do, some don’t.
                  I do enjoy having you and Anon around, this way I don’t have to play solo.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 29, 2016 @ 7:06 am

                • I am moving over to the Chelmno thread… Burg decided to advertise a bit, so I wanted to ask him a few questions.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 7:09 am

                • Click wrote: “One was gassing people in a Church… The other was gassing people inside a Van…”

                  A gas chamber is a gas chamber, wheels or not.

                  Click wrote: “Were not talking about the in-placed gas chambers right now Hermie.”

                  Of course, we’re not. How could you claim a gas chamber in a chuch, a gas chamber in a morgue and a gas chamber in a van are unconnected matters without putting that aside?

                  Click wrote: “The Article your trying to compare has a completely different method. There is hardly any relation what so ever. As well the Gas type used inside the Church is not given.”

                  The gas type in the alleged gas chambers on wheels of June 1942 was not given in the Daily Telegraph’s propaganda article either.

                  Click wrote: “HC has already dealt with the fabrication claim… Get out of the past.”

                  If HC dealt with that in the past, that must mean the case is closed.😉

                  Click wrote: “No but these are not of issue. The only issue right now is these news paper so this is completely irrelevant. The gas for the Serbians is not given… One more thing which adds to issue.”

                  Can you see any type of gas mentioned in the Daily Telegraph’s propaganda article of June 1942???

                  Click wrote: “Sorry I don’t try to waste to much time in a comments section… I type as I go and don’t review. Sadly it still doesn’t change the point of different times.”

                  Indeed, it doesn’t change the point that propagandists always produce propaganda stuff for current wars, not for wars to come.

                  Click wrote: “Look at the other article from world war two and point to where it stats people were killed with Bayonets”

                  “killed, either by knifing, machine-guns or grenades” – The Daily Telegraph, June 25, 1942

                  With bayonets or knives, a stab is a stab. Stop wasting my time with your childish fleeings.

                  Click wrote: “No, I never even said this once inside my post Hermie. I never said Serbs were gassed.”

                  Fine. Your conclusions about the reliability of Allied wartime atrocity claims against their enemies, and especially of Allied gassing claims?

                  Click wrote: “This doesn’t need refutation… Its completely just Conspiracy without evidence to back it.”

                  Where can you see a conspiracy in wartime commonplace demonizing atrocity propaganda and in the Soviet-Allied propagandists adding details to their stories over time in order to strengthen them?

                  Click wrote: “The Point still stands that If the Austrians were willing to take pictures of them crucifying people, they would be willing to photograph them gassing people.”

                  What about the point that dubious atrocity photographs for gullible kids has always been part of the compulsive Allied liars’ war arsenal?

                  Click wrote: “More conspiracy bullshit! There is no evidence for your claim and the Telegraph has only mentioned witnesses. This is it.”

                  Really? Only witnesses?

                  “The Government of the Allies have secured documents and evidence, which will shortly be published, proving that Austria and Bulgaria have been guilty of horrible crimes [mainly consisting of 700,000 civilians murdered in gas chambers] in Serbia.” – The Daily Telegraph, March 22, 1916.

                  Where are those ‘documents and evidence’ now? Isn’t a century beyond ‘shortly’?

                  Click wrote: “Totally… were now reverting to UFO’s? Zundel used to write about UFOS and the Nazis before moving onto the holocaust.”

                  If there had been blueprints for Nazi homicidal gas chambers as convincing as the blueprints for Nazi Haunebu flying saucers, perhaps Zundel would have joined the Holohoax liars team. Who knows?

                  But my point remains valid: testimonies are mere series of words without any intrinsic probative value.

                  Click wrote: “This is irrelevant, The argument wasn’t more so the number of witnesses. The point was these witnesses most likely had conflated memories, or just willingly lied. Ether way its unrelated and is not comparable to the Holocaust.”

                  ‘Holocaust’ testimonies are like any kind of testimonies, mere series of non-probative words in which one can choose to believe or not. Believing in testimonies is a pure act of faith.

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 3:50 am

                • Hermie your ignoring the entire argument. Two points.

                  1) To much is different for it to be copy paste propaganda.

                  2) Correlation does not imply causation.

                  Once you learn what these mean. Then you should be able to make a reply.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 5:54 am

                • Jeff wrote: “That information showed up on a denier website, Hermie. That’s what makes it so funny.”

                  But it was made up by Holocaust believers. I can understand that people believing a conspiracy theory as unproven as the ‘Holocaust’ can sometimes believe they’ve found proofs for other laughable conspiracy theories. Consistent with their own usual evidential standards after all…

                  Click wrote: “Hermie your ignoring the entire argument. Two points. 1) To much is different for it to be copy paste propaganda. 2) Correlation does not imply causation. Once you learn what these mean. Then you should be able to make a reply.”

                  1) If too much is different, you’ve failed to show it.

                  What about the ink? Between 1916 and 1942, the composition of ink probably evolved a little bit. That would make another major (ahem) difference to add to your impressive list.😉

                  2) True. Same newspaper (the propaganda organ of the British Conservative Party), Same claim (700,000 civilians butchered in gas chambers by Britain’s enemies of the day). Same conditions (a world war, with numerous civilians falling like flies because of typhus). Same method (demonization of Britain’s enemies to make it Crystal clear who the good side is). Probably just an amazing coincidence…erh…Really???

                  Once you learn what obviousness means, then you should be able to stop ridiculing yourself with that…

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 7:50 am

                • “1) If too much is different, you’ve failed to show it. ”

                  I have given perfect reasons why its not a copy & paste. Different murder weapons… Different targets… Different in the number and types of murder weapons. Im not going on.

                  “2) True. Same newspaper (the propaganda organ of the British Conservative Party), Same claim (700,000 civilians butchered in gas chambers by Britain’s enemies of the day). Same conditions (a world war, with numerous civilians falling like flies because of typhus). Same method (demonization of Britain’s enemies to make it Crystal clear who the good side is). Probably just an amazing coincidence…erh…Really???
                  Once you learn what obviousness means, then you should be able to stop ridiculing yourself with that…”

                  Or just that your going completely conspiracy… Again Correlation is not Causation. Might I also mention that according to the first paper, It say it was the Italian government making the propaganda.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 7:54 am

                • Jeff wrote: “That information showed up on a denier website, Hermie. That’s what makes it so funny.”

                  “But it was made up by Holocaust believers.”

                  Not that I can tell, Hermie. I’ve never read anything written about Hitler that indicates any of that garbage was true.
                  If you are bringing up the book “The Pink Swastika” I’ve never read it and I have no intention of ever reading it. From what I understand the book is a load of crap.

                  “I can understand that people believing a conspiracy theory”

                  That’s hysterical, coming from you.

                  “as unproven as the ‘Holocaust’”

                  From where I’m sitting this whole denial thing is unproven, not history.

                  “can sometimes believe they’ve found proofs for other laughable conspiracy theories.”

                  Again, this showed up on a HOLOCAUST DENIAL WEBSITE. A DENIER is making this point, not a historian or researcher.
                  Why is that so hard for you to understand?
                  Whale is a DENIER website. It promotes HOLOCAUST DENIAL.
                  That’s what I find so funny. You denier types genuinely love you some Hitler, so to see this there is what I find so funny.
                  Well, that and the picture showing the Jew incarcerated from 1938-1945 at Auschwitz.
                  Seriously, that’s hysterical.

                  “Consistent with their own usual evidential standards after all…”

                  I STILL haven’t seen any evidence of transit camps. What does that say about denier evidentiary standards?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 29, 2016 @ 8:35 am

                • Click wrote: “I have given perfect reasons why its not a copy & paste.”

                  C’mon!!! You have ridiculed yourself word after word.

                  Click wrote: “Different murder weapons…”

                  Gas chambers in both cases.

                  Click wrote: “Different targets…”

                  700,000 defenseless civilians allegedly killed in a country occupied by Britain’s enemies of the day in both cases.

                  Click wrote: “Different in the number and types of murder weapons.”

                  A few gas chambers in both cases.

                  Click wrote: “Im not going on.”

                  No, don’t stop!!

                  Different times…Different letterings…

                  Click wrote: Or just that your going completely conspiracy… Again Correlation is not Causation.”

                  Again, BS…

                  Click wrote: “Might I also mention that according to the first paper, It say it was the Italian government making the propaganda.”

                  And according to the 2nd paper, it was the Polish governement-in-exile (the Polish National Council in London) making the propaganda. Thanks for finding another striking similarity, not to say sameness, between both atrocity propaganda papers.😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • Cut the crap Hermie

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 3:00 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Not that I can tell, Hermie. I’ve never read anything written about Hitler that indicates any of that garbage was true.
                  If you are bringing up the book “The Pink Swastika” I’ve never read it and I have no intention of ever reading it. From what I understand the book is a load of crap.”

                  The fathers of the ‘Hitler was gay’ and “Hitler was a British agent’ hoaxes are all Holocaust believers. Why would they want to exonerate Hitler from any Holocaust guilt while they were trying to defile homosexuals and British monarchy by linking Hitler to them?

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s hysterical, coming from you.”

                  The judges and prosecutors at Nuremberg, not me, chose to depict the ‘Holocaust’ as a conspiracy (verbatim). If you don’t like being a conspiracy theorist, don’t address your complaint to me.

                  Jeff wrote: “From where I’m sitting this whole denial thing is unproven, not history.”

                  It’s very easy to sit somewhere and emphatically proclaim from there ‘I’m on the side of history; you’re on the side of denial.’ But it’s much more difficult to show it, isn’t it?😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, this showed up on a HOLOCAUST DENIAL WEBSITE. A DENIER is making this point, not a historian or researcher. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Whale is a DENIER website. It promotes HOLOCAUST DENIAL.”

                  That whale guy represents only himself. Am I supposed to post links to websites made by people who believe in the ‘Holocaust’ AND the Loch Ness monster, witches, God, Illuminati alien reptilians, etc. so that we can both laugh?

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s what I find so funny. You denier types genuinely love you some Hitler, so to see this there is what I find so funny.
                  Well, that and the picture showing the Jew incarcerated from 1938-1945 at Auschwitz. Seriously, that’s hysterical.”

                  Not sure I can see what you mean.

                  Jeff wrote: “I STILL haven’t seen any evidence of transit camps. What does that say about denier evidentiary standards?”

                  That says that people without any burden of proof resting on themselves, are free to relax and look with amusement at the Holohoaxsters running in all directions after their dear missing smoking gun…😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 3:22 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Not that I can tell, Hermie. I’ve never read anything written about Hitler that indicates any of that garbage was true.
                  If you are bringing up the book “The Pink Swastika” I’ve never read it and I have no intention of ever reading it. From what I understand the book is a load of crap.”

                  “The fathers of the ‘Hitler was gay’ and “Hitler was a British agent’ hoaxes are all Holocaust believers. Why would they want to exonerate Hitler from any Holocaust guilt while they were trying to defile homosexuals and British monarchy by linking Hitler to them?”

                  Proof, please. Who, exactly, are you talking about, the “fathers of the Hitler was gay, Hitler was a British agent?”

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s hysterical, coming from you.”

                  “The judges and prosecutors at Nuremberg, not me, chose to depict the ‘Holocaust’ as a conspiracy (verbatim). If you don’t like being a conspiracy theorist, don’t address your complaint to me.”

                  The IMT proved that the Nazi Government committed conspiracy. You enjoy following phantom conspiracies. The only thing I’ve seen from you regarding evidence of this conspiracy is a phone transcript and random quotes by Jews.

                  Jeff wrote: “From where I’m sitting this whole denial thing is unproven, not history.”

                  “It’s very easy to sit somewhere and emphatically proclaim from there ‘I’m on the side of history; you’re on the side of denial.’ But it’s much more difficult to show it, isn’t it? ;-)”

                  I’ve shown enough. Now I want proof.

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, this showed up on a HOLOCAUST DENIAL WEBSITE. A DENIER is making this point, not a historian or researcher. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Whale is a DENIER website. It promotes HOLOCAUST DENIAL.”

                  “That whale guy represents only himself. Am I supposed to post links to websites made by people who believe in the ‘Holocaust’ AND the Loch Ness monster, witches, God, Illuminati alien reptilians, etc. so that we can both laugh?”

                  If you want to, sure. By the way, I think whale talks about the Illuminati.

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s what I find so funny. You denier types genuinely love you some Hitler, so to see this there is what I find so funny.
                  Well, that and the picture showing the Jew incarcerated from 1938-1945 at Auschwitz. Seriously, that’s hysterical.”

                  “Not sure I can see what you mean.”

                  I found it funny that a denier website posted info regarding a gay Hitler. I also found it funny that someone captioned a picture showing a Jew incarcerated in a camp that didn’t exist in 1938.

                  Jeff wrote: “I STILL haven’t seen any evidence of transit camps. What does that say about denier evidentiary standards?”

                  “That says that people without any burden of proof resting on themselves, are free to relax and look with amusement at the Holohoaxsters running in all directions after their dear missing smoking gun… ;-)”

                  Nah, it’s because you don’t have anything.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 29, 2016 @ 3:37 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Proof, please. Who, exactly, are you talking about, the “fathers of the Hitler was gay, Hitler was a British agent?”

                  About Hallett and the authors of Pink Swastika (Scott Lively and another guy, if memory serves me right). Turn off the TV, please. It messes your concentration.😉

                  Prove what?

                  Jeff wrote: “The IMT proved that the Nazi Government committed conspiracy.”

                  The IMT proved nothing. It was its starting point and it didn’t need to be proved on trial, a ‘fact of common knowledge’ as they put it at that time.

                  Jeff wrote: “You enjoy following phantom conspiracies.”

                  Remind me who believes in a Top Secret conspiracy to murder 6 million Jews without leaving anything but alleged genocidal code words and euphemisms, empty mass graves, and missing weapons of mass murder.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’ve shown enough.”

                  You’ve only shown that Holohoaxsters don’t plan to bring reliable evidence for their claims in a near future…

                  Jeff wrote: “I found it funny that a denier website posted info regarding a gay Hitler.”

                  Perhaps the people you feel you need to belittle by calling them ‘deniers’ are not all admirers of Hitler, unlike what you think.

                  Jeff wrote: “I also found it funny that someone captioned a picture showing a Jew incarcerated in a camp that didn’t exist in 1938.”

                  A pic made by an unknown guy and captioned ‘7 years at Auschwitz’ instead of ‘7 years in German concentration camps including 3 years at Auschwitz’ is certainly the greatest discovery of Holo-exterminationism in recent decades. Congrats!

                  Comment by hermie — June 30, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

                • Are we really back to arguing over the damn news papers Hermie? It was so quiet!

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

                • “Are we really back to arguing over the damn news papers Hermie? It was so quiet!”

                  Hermie enjoys using newspapers to make his points.
                  Even though he believes that all mass media is controlled by Jews.
                  Except when the articles prove his points.
                  So, if you give him a newspaper article, he will tell you it is propoganda.
                  But you are supposed to accept his article as genuine proof.
                  The word you are looking for is hypocrite.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 7:22 pm

                • I know that! Quite well… Except they don’t prove his point.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 7:25 pm

                • He thinks they do. That’s what is so funny.
                  Wait till he starts quoting random Zionists at you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 7:42 pm

                • I don’t know… Its really hard to say his stuff is funny when Burg sent me this as a retort.

                  “Jews as a people really are the most despicable liars in all of human history. When Hitler put them in concentration camps, he certainly had the right idea. Jews have made for themselves a bed of the most vicious, racist LIES ever. It will be extremely uncomfortable for them. It should be their undoing.”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 7:52 pm

                • “I don’t know… Its really hard to say his stuff is funny when Burg sent me this as a retort.

                  “Jews as a people really are the most despicable liars in all of human history. When Hitler put them in concentration camps, he certainly had the right idea. Jews have made for themselves a bed of the most vicious, racist LIES ever. It will be extremely uncomfortable for them. It should be their undoing.”

                  Berg is a vile old goblin. He resorts to saying things like that when you push him into corner.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 7:59 pm

                • Hes claiming images of asphyxiation are images of Carbon Monoxide poisoning… Take a look for yourself.

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/to-the-left-meant-death-in-the-gas-chambers/#comments

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 8:02 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Proof, please. Who, exactly, are you talking about, the “fathers of the Hitler was gay, Hitler was a British agent?”

                  About Hallett and the authors of Pink Swastika (Scott Lively and another guy, if memory serves me right). Turn off the TV, please. It messes your concentration.😉

                  Why, exactly, would a website dedicated to Holocaust denial have something………..
                  You know what, I really don’t give a shit.
                  It’s funny that a Holocaust denial website would post something like that. I’ll just continue to mock it.

                  Jeff wrote: “The IMT proved that the Nazi Government committed conspiracy.”

                  “The IMT proved nothing. It was its starting point and it didn’t need to be proved on trial, a ‘fact of common knowledge’ as they put it at that time.”

                  Yawn.

                  Jeff wrote: “You enjoy following phantom conspiracies.”

                  “Remind me who believes in a Top Secret conspiracy to murder 6 million Jews without leaving anything but alleged genocidal code words and euphemisms, empty mass graves, and missing weapons of mass murder.”

                  Remind me who believes in a Jewish-Zionist conspiracy to dupe the world into believing the Holocaust existed. Remind me who believes that the Germans deported millions of Jews into active war zones….but can’t prove it. Remind me who believes that somehow the British and French duped Hitler into war…..oh, I still haven’t seen any proof of that.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’ve shown enough.”

                  “You’ve only shown that Holohoaxsters don’t plan to bring reliable evidence for their claims in a near future…”

                  Oh, you are mistaking me for you. You never provide proof of anything.

                  Jeff wrote: “I found it funny that a denier website posted info regarding a gay Hitler.”

                  “Perhaps the people you feel you need to belittle by calling them ‘deniers’”

                  Aaaaaaaawwwww, I’m sorry, did I hurt some denier feelings?

                  “are not all admirers of Hitler, unlike what you think.”

                  All the ones I’ve seen are. You are.

                  Jeff wrote: “I also found it funny that someone captioned a picture showing a Jew incarcerated in a camp that didn’t exist in 1938.”

                  “A pic made by an unknown guy and captioned ‘7 years at Auschwitz’ instead of ‘7 years in German concentration camps including 3 years at Auschwitz’ is certainly the greatest discovery of Holo-exterminationism in recent decades. Congrats!”

                  Hey, it’s not my fault the guy that did that is a dumbass. It just proves how stupid the cult of denial is.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 7:39 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “It’s funny that a Holocaust denial website would post something like that. I’ll just continue to mock it.”

                  It’s funny that anybody would post something like that.

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me who believes in a Jewish-Zionist conspiracy to dupe the world into believing the Holocaust existed.”

                  No conspiracy needed. Providing some food to the Soviet-Allied atrocity propaganda factories during a world war didn’t require any kind of conspiracy. Not my fault that the first guy to tell the world about Hitler’s alleged extermination operation during WW2 was Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, the Father of US Zionism himself.

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me who believes that the Germans deported millions of Jews into active war zones….but can’t prove it.”

                  Borman, Buehler, Seyss-Inquart and myself.

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me who believes that somehow the British and French duped Hitler into war…..oh, I still haven’t seen any proof of that.”

                  The numerous refusals of Hitler’s countless wartime peace offers vastly demonstrated that.

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh, you are mistaking me for you. You never provide proof of anything.”

                  Hey, I’m not the accuser. Exposing your complete inability to bring convincing evidence of your charges of extermination, is enough for me.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Aaaaaaaawwwww, I’m sorry, did I hurt some denier feelings?”

                  No, you didn’t. Just wanted to point out your use of worried liars’ dialectical tactics. Being reduced to belittle your opponents with names doesn’t indicate safety and confidence but fear and anxiety.

                  Jeff wrote: “All the ones I’ve seen are. You are.”

                  I am.

                  Jeff wrote: “Hey, it’s not my fault the guy that did that is a dumbass. It just proves how stupid the cult of denial is.”

                  How does a guy using material produced by Holocaust believers (trying to demonize their enemies by linking them to Hitler and his alleged ‘Holocaust’) prove ‘how stupid the cult of denial is’? Just proves that Holohoax conspiracy theorists are so accustomed to believe in groundless stories that they sometimes feel free to make up and spread their own groundless stories…

                  Comment by hermie — July 3, 2016 @ 9:16 am

                • Time for the truth again
                  Holohoax summed up
                  From Lectures on the Holocaust Germar Rudolph
                  P. 207-210
                  3.4.2. Mass Murder Scenes R: There are basically two ways of getting a picture of what happened in Auschwitz. You can either go to original sources and read and analyze the thousands of documents and statements by witnesses, or else you can reach for a book published by the institution that claims to be the ultimate authority on the subject. That is the Polish State Museum at Auschwitz. Needless to say, almost everyone chooses the latter method. Who has the time and resources for the former? For this reason, I would like to briefly summarize the literature published by the Auschwitz State Museum. I would like to briefly describe the museum’s official history of Auschwitz and its presentation of the alleged extermination process. It goes like this: In the summer of 1941, Camp Commandant Höß receives oral orders to get the camp ready to exterminate Jews. Early in September 1941, in the cellar of a building in the main camp, there is an experimental gassing of several hundred Soviet POWs using the cyanide based pesticide Zyklon B In the following weeks the morgue of the crematory in the main camp is converted into a homicidal gas chamber. The conversion consists of knocking holes in the concrete roof so that Zyklon B can be dumped into the room below. This gas chamber begins operation around the end of 1941 and is in use until early 1943 (see the plans of this crematory in Ill. 71, p. 252).  The “selection” of victims is performed next to the railroad tracks in front of the main camp. Those prisoners who are able to work are accepted in the camp, while those unable to work are sent directly to “gas chambers.” The bodies of the victims are then cremated in the room next to the gas chamber, which originally contained two double-muffle  crematory ovens (later there were three.) In the first half of 1942, two old farmhouses outside the Birkenau camp are converted to gas chambers. These are called “Bunker 1” and “Bunker 2” or sometimes “Red House” and “White House.” These continue in operation until the beginning of 1943. With the deportation of the Hungarian Jews in May  1944, one of these farmhouses (Bunker 2) is reactivated as a homicidal facility.

                  The victims of these Bunkers are cremated over wood fires in trenches that are several meters deep. Melted human fat is retrieved with large ladles and used as fuel for the fires. In the summer of 1942 planning begins for four new crematories in Birkenau, built as two pairs with mirror like symmetry. Two of these have underground morgues, one of which is used as an undressing room and the other as a gas chamber. In addition each has an oven room equipped with five triple-muffle ovens, making a total of 15 muffles (see crematories II and III, Ill. 62f., p. 242). The other two crematories (no. IV and V474) both have a mortuary above ground and an oven room with an eight-muffle oven, as well as three smaller rooms used as “gas chambers.” These crematories go into operation one after the other between March and June 1943. Crematories IV and V quickly fall out of operation because of defective construction. Crematory IV is never repaired, Crematory V very late in the war. The ovens of Crematories II and III remain in operation, with interruptions, until the end of 1944. In the underground gas chambers of Crematories II and III, just as in the crematory in the main camp, Zyklon B is dumped through openings, which were chiseled through the reinforced concrete roof after construction was completed. The gas chambers of Crematories IV and V, which are above ground, have small hatches in the walls through which the pesticide is introduced. The only gas chambers provided with ventilation are those in Crematories I, II, and III. Thus the poison gas cannot be forced out of the gas chambers in Crematories IV or V or the two farm houses. One has to rely solely on the natural ventilation through opened doors and hatches. L: I beg your pardon? R: One moment please. Let me first finish my overview.

                  Until May 1944, victim selection takes place at the railroad tracks of the main camp, but after that on the new ramp built at Birkenau. Those selected for gassing are told that for hygienic reasons they have to shower and have their clothes deloused. The victims disrobe, partly in special buildings or rooms and partly in the open. Sometimes they are given soap and towels. Then they are directed into the gas chambers, some of which are equipped with phony shower heads in order to trick the victims. After the doors are sealed, pesticide is thrown into the chamber in quantities sufficient to kill insects. A few minutes later, everybody is dead. After about a quarter hour the doors are opened and the so-called Sonderkommandos (prisoner special unit) begin the task of removing the corpses from the gas chamber. Sometimes they wear gas masks, sometimes they don’t. They harvest hair from the corpses and extract gold teeth. Then they drag the corpses to the crematory ovens or incineration trenches. The ovens are stuffed chock full of bodies, up to eight in a single muffle. Flames and thick black smoke shoot out of the crematory chimneys and huge incineration trenches. The entire area is blanketed in smoke and the hellish stench of burning flesh. At least 10,000 Jews are murdered every day between May and September 1944. Most of the resulting corpses are burned in open trenches. L: How many victims are supposed to have been crammed in these alleged gas chambers at a time? R: The witnesses do not agree on this. For the underground morgues no. 1 of the crematories II and III, which had a surface area of roughly 210 m² (2,260 sq ft), at least 1,000 victims are said to have been executed at a time. Other witnesses speak of 2,000 or even up to 3,000 victims. L: That is between ½ and 1½ persons on every square foot.

                  How can you get up to three people to stand on two square feet? They must have squeezed themselves together quite extremely? R: That is quite a logistic problem, indeed. Just imagine the following scene: 1,000 people of both sexes plus children enter the undressing room with a surface area of 390 m2 (4,200 ft2). Each one would therefore have an area of only 60 cm × 60 cm (2×2 ft) on which to undress. Experience shows that people do not pack themselves tightly to the very edge of an enclosed area, unless, of course, they are quite willing to do so, like when they enter a bus and need to fill it tightly, so that other passengers can still get in. L: Not even that works most of the times. People simply won’t scoot over to make room for others unless they are informed of what they need to do and then are also willing to comply. And that is particularly true if they are told to undress completely in front of hundreds of strangers of both sexes. That would never work. R: Correct. Actually, in order to get people to enter through just one door in a long, stretched out room and to fill it tightly to the last place, the procedure must be rehearsed. Once inside the naked people walk over into alleged gas chamber, the same problem occurs again. Here the victims must press themselves even more tightly together, since that room was even smaller. The first people entering the room must proceed to the very end of this 100 ft long room in a disciplined manner and line up against the wall. The next lot will form the line directly in front, and so on, until the entire chamber is full. Even if choreographed perfectly, this would still take at least half an hour. L: So how did they get these 1,000 naked people to pack themselves tightly together, touching other completely naked strangers? R: I do not know, but it would have required the drill and discipline that you can instill only in soldiers after weeks of exercising, provided they are dressed. I don’t know if that would still work if you had those soldiers line up naked, particularly if there are female soldiers present as well. L: Well, that is ridiculous. After all, under such circumstances, the alleged claim by the SS that their victims are going to have a shower in that room would convince nobody. How do you take a shower when your neighbors step on your feet and you can hardly turn around, not to mention bend down to wash yourself? R: You have revealed this absurdity quite well. So even before going into technical and documentary details, you can already see that the claims made about those alleged homicidal gassings are fishy already on pure logistical grounds.  In closing this brief overview of the alleged murder scenarios, it should also be mentioned that the first report about the alleged murder methods used in Auschwitz as reported by Boris Polevoy,  a Soviet propagandist writing for the Soviet newspaper Pravda, differed quite distinctly from what was suggested otherwise: “Last year, when the Red Army revealed to the world the terrible and abominable secrets of Majdanek, the Germans in Auschwitz began to wipe out the traces of their crimes. They leveled the mounds of the so-called ‘old’ graves in the eastern part of the camp, tore up and destroyed the traces of the electric conveyor belt, on which hundreds of people were simultaneously electrocuted, their bodies falling onto the slow moving conveyor belt which carried them to the top of the blast furnace where they fell in, were completely burned, their bones converted to meal in the rolling mills, and then sent to the surrounding fields.” R: The story about the conveyor belt electrocution with subsequent incineration in blast furnaces was, of course, nothing but Soviet atrocity propaganda with no foundation in reality. It quickly ended up in the trash bins of history and was replaced with something more “credible,” which had been claimed since 1942: gas chambers. Just how credible these gas chamber allegations are will be investigated in the next chapters of the book……

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 9:26 am

                • I wish someone would give the parrot a cracker and get it to shut up.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 3, 2016 @ 10:33 am

                • Jeff….Isn’t it interesting I have no issue with what you put up here or how many times you do it….I feel the truth stands on its on merit.
                  You seem have an issue that I post the same things over and over….the reason I do that is because a lot of people read this blog at different times and I want then to get a glimpse of the truth. So repetition is good. You are most welcome to post your HoloHoax information and I will come back with the truth.
                  We’re still friends I hope…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 10:48 am

                • “Jeff….Isn’t it interesting I have no issue with what you put up here or how many times you do it….I feel the truth stands on its on merit.”

                  Ok.
                  At least give us something different to read, Jim.

                  “You seem have an issue that I post the same things over and over….the reason I do that is because a lot of people read this blog at different times and I want then to get a glimpse of the truth. So repetition is good. You are most welcome to post your HoloHoax information and I will come back with the truth.”

                  This is true. I do the same. My advice is to switch it up a bit.

                  “We’re still friends I hope…..”

                  Of course. Happy 4th.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 3, 2016 @ 10:55 am

                • The fireworks will be in my mind anyway a celebration of Elie The Weasels death……
                  Can’t get any better than that……Great timing…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 11:00 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Hermie enjoys using newspapers to make his points. Even though he believes that all mass media is controlled by Jews. Except when the articles prove his points. So, if you give him a newspaper article, he will tell you it is propoganda. But you are supposed to accept his article as genuine proof. The word you are looking for is hypocrite.”

                  Dealing with wartime propaganda claims of course requires the use of propaganda papers, i.e. of contemporaneous newspaper articles. And understanding this simple fact requires more than 2 or 3 brain cells alive. The word you’re looking for is idiot.

                  Understanding that one needs to post the Daily Telegraph article of March 1916 if one wants to show that the Daily Telegraph article of June 1942 was a mere recycling of the same atrocity propaganda claims, is not rocket science. Your analysis is even more laughable when you see that I patently didn’t try to claim that the Central Powers had gassed 700,000 Serbian civilians to death during WW1. I used the Daily Telegraph article of March 1916 only as an illustrative piece of Allied propaganda, NOT as a truthful claim (of course not).

                  Comment by hermie — July 3, 2016 @ 9:35 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Hermie enjoys using newspapers to make his points. Even though he believes that all mass media is controlled by Jews. Except when the articles prove his points. So, if you give him a newspaper article, he will tell you it is propoganda. But you are supposed to accept his article as genuine proof. The word you are looking for is hypocrite.”

                  “Dealing with wartime propaganda claims of course requires the use of propaganda papers, i.e. of contemporaneous newspaper articles. And understanding this simple fact requires more than 2 or 3 brain cells alive. The word you’re looking for is idiot.”

                  I’d never call you an idiot, Hermie. Hypocrite is more appropriate.
                  An example of this is using a newspaper article to report that Hitler wanted to deport Jews to the East as proof he did so. Considering that the article came out before the invasion of the USSR makes this information useless. The Germans in 1940 did attempt to deport some Jews, the Nisko Plan, but it flamed out because the allegedly “efficient” Germans failed to appropriately plan this event. This led to chaos and those Jews deported eventually found their way home or were ordered home.
                  The policy change from deportation to extermination changed due to circumstance. The Einsatzgruppen squads showed it was possible to murder large groups of people quickly and the German invasion stalling out in December of 1941 left no place to put these Jews. Mental issues experienced by members of the EG squads plus the large scale public shooting of defenseless men, women and children proved to be issues so other methods were sought, leading to gassing (already practiced during the subsequent T-4 and 14f13 Programs).

                  “Understanding that one needs to post the Daily Telegraph article of March 1916 if one wants to show that the Daily Telegraph article of June 1942 was a mere recycling of the same atrocity propaganda claims, is not rocket science. Your analysis is even more laughable when you see that I patently didn’t try to claim that the Central Powers had gassed 700,000 Serbian civilians to death during WW1. I used the Daily Telegraph article of March 1916 only as an illustrative piece of Allied propaganda, NOT as a truthful claim (of course not).”

                  This is between you and Click.
                  Your problem is that you fail to realize that these atrocity claims made during WW I made the British and US MORE SKEPTICAL of such claims. This is why it took so long for these claims to be believed.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 3, 2016 @ 10:49 am

                • The British didn’t believe the HoloHoax claims because they were one of the ones spreading them.
                  Do You think they were that stupid to believe all the B/S….They had a job to do and that was to make the Germans the bad guys while taking the heat off of them for the war crimes they committed against innocent people. They’ve seem to do a great job look at all the suckers that believe it today.
                  Psych warfare prevailed again…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 10:57 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I’d never call you an idiot, Hermie. Hypocrite is more appropriate. An example of this is using a newspaper article to report that Hitler wanted to deport Jews to the East as proof he did so.”

                  That was a news article about the Nazi intent to expel all the Jews out of Europe after the end of WW2 in order to establish a lasting peace after the war, not about the deportation of Jews to the East. Do you think that that quote about Hitler’s plan for ‘a Peace without Jews’ was made up by Allied Press???

                  Jeff wrote: “Your problem is that you fail to realize that these atrocity claims made during WW I made the British and US MORE SKEPTICAL of such claims. This is why it took so long for these claims to be believed.”

                  I don’t fail to realize that. Some Allied propagandists even complained about that (i.e. that many US citizens didn’t believe in their current anti-German claims because of the numerous Allied propaganda lies of WW1) during the war. In March 1943, Allied propagandist Willian L. Shirer even called the widespread Holo-disbelief among Americans ‘a silly sort of super-cynicism and super-skepticism.’

                  OK. We, Allied propagandists, lied a lot during the last war. But this time our claims are true, nothing but the truth. Believe us, pleaaaase!!! ———— Hilarious!!!!

                  Comment by hermie — July 3, 2016 @ 12:11 pm

                • I have to agree with Jeff… Hypocrite is quite accurate.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

                • “They were sharp,as sharp as knives. They heard the hum of the mortars,they counted the rotors and waited for us to arrive”. Billy Joel hit nail on the head with those lines. Rut,rut,rut. Everyone’s getting in a rut here. Y’all beatin a dead horse. This shits worn out worse that a fifth avenue whore. I try to get questions answered on a different subject,but everyone is so hung up on this one. This shits moving worse than the Paris Peace Talks did. Just admit neither side is going to bend and move on. Maybe I can get some of my questions answered

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

                • Yep! That is exactly whats going on Tim.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 2:14 pm

                • I’ve had others answer me,but in all honesty you’re the only person who is consistent with trying to help me. Like I said,” I listen to both sides and come to my own conclusion”. I gave up trying to figure out anything on this topic (to be honest,I’ve forgotten what the topic was). Too much obfuscation. The way I figure it,we’re all humans. In addition to that making us flawed as a mutha f–ker,none of us are gonna have the same thoughts . So everyone figure out. It’s demonstrable,this topic will never be resolved and move on.

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 2:38 pm

                • Tim….. I think the evidence is overwhelming when you think about it and see all the information that we’ve been presenting the Holohoax is a scam the Holohucksters are doing their best to stop us from bringing the truth out that’s why they’re trying to put us in jail everywhere they can so that alone should show you what the truth is…..
                  you don’t put people in jail for giving their opinion. They don’t allow any debate on it they stopped all debate….. we can’t go into the schools we can’t go to the college’s so you think that there’s another side to this story sorry…… I ain’t going to happen these people the Despicable people evil people and you have to take a stand one way or another there’s no middle ground on this hoax it’s pretty obvious they’ve been trying to pull this scam over on us for 75 years and we have said enough is enough and you should too.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 2:58 pm

                • I’m gonna surmise you’re talking about holo laws. I agree a 100%. I kinda look at the people locked down for breaking holo laws,like Nelson Mandela. Mandela was a socialist. So I don’t agree with him,but he spoke out,knowing damn well they were gonna nail his ass. I admire him for standing his ground. He may not have always been right,but he stood up. Same for the people that go to the pen for speaking out against the holo. They know the risk they take,but they move forward. I’m still waiting on a concrete answer as to why holo laws are on the books. Sorry,but I can only come up with 2 answers. 1. They don’t people asking questions. Something might get out,no one wants out 2. They don’t wanna hurt the Jews feelings. This whole mess stinks to the high heavens. How long have holo laws been on the books? I’m asking because I read something yesterday,that said this denial,really took off in the early 70’s

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 7:03 pm

                • “I’ve had others answer me,but in all honesty you’re the only person who is consistent with trying to help me.”

                  I’m well aware…

                  “Like I said,” I listen to both sides and come to my own conclusion”.”

                  Yeah, but the people here generally don’t look for the truth. Though I will give FG credit that she looks. If you are interested I would say you should join Anon at Skeptic. Its a really good community which has taken a pause but it will start up soon. Its I believe 3 deniers total and 6 to 7 anti-revisonist.

                  http://skepticforum.com/

                  “The way I figure it,we’re all humans. In addition to that making us flawed as a mutha f–ker,none of us are gonna have the same thoughts . So everyone figure out. It’s demonstrable,this topic will never be resolved and move on.”

                  I just stopped paying attention and moved on… Hermies was tying to explain mass graves and depressions but he has a huge issue when it comes down to it.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 3:48 pm

                • You HoloHuxsters must be mourning…..here is a nice video for you.

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 3:52 pm

                • Damn Jimbo. Take no prisoners?

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

                • They wouldn’t so why should I.
                  I will use my last breath to pound them into the ground (figurative) speaking no mercy.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

                • That’s what I admire about you Yankees . You got the,”if you get in my way,I’ll run your ass over and I won’t stop to render assistance ” attitude.

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 7:25 pm

                • It was “mass graves”? I thought the topic was ,”gas huts at Chelmno “. Like I said,what the topic was,got lost for me. Which ever side is wrong or right here,I admire everyone’s commitment. Everyone here is passionate about this subject and committed to their views. I’m not gonna hold that against anyone. If I did I’d be like the people that enforce holo laws. Thanks for that other site. I’ll check it out

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 7:13 pm

                • No problem Tim, The community there has to expand somehow. Just thought I might help Anon out.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 7:15 pm

                • Just so long as they don’t get too hung up on any one topic,I’ll be okay. Maybe I can pick up some info there,that I can bring back here for one side or the other.

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 7:19 pm

                • They generally all stick on topic… Though the 3 deniers there from what I hear are quite circular. While the Anti-revs demand then to stay on topic.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 7:21 pm

                • Somewhere I lost the addy for the website you gave me. Could I please get it again?

                  Comment by Tim — July 3, 2016 @ 7:31 pm

                • Here you go

                  http://skepticforum.com/

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 8:17 pm

                • I joined the site let’s see how long I last before they ban me because that’s what happens with sites like this they don’t want to know the truth they just want to be ban that don’t go along with their thinking.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 8:21 pm

                • As long as you don’t Dox anyone you won’t get banned. There are people who post more inflammatory things then you do there.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 8:33 pm

                • We will see won’t we.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 8:36 pm

                • Yes we will. I don’t think you will get banned though.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 8:40 pm

                • What’s “dox” mean? Is that anything like,”dis”? That’s what my nephew always says. Are they ready for Jimbos,stubborn Dago ass? He could argue with God himself and have God flaring like a pack of pissed off hemroids,when he gets finished.

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 7:33 am

                • Dox means to release people’s private information. Real names, pictures, their private emails, ect.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 9:42 am

                • Also they have two people there that pretty much replicate him. So they should be fine

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 9:43 am

                • Also don’t purposely get banned by posting legal matters between Michael Shermer and others.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 8:34 pm

                • So Shermer is the one that runs that site?
                  This should be exciting.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 8:47 pm

                • Shermer Hosts it… He does not moderate it. Under the Holocaust Denial section it states quite clearly that legal matters between Shermer and other parties are against the forum rules. Other then that you can pretty much say what you think of Jews as you please… Just as long as your not openly calling out for their murder…

                  That is at least my understanding, though expect these people to be critical of anything you say. I personally do not take part on this forum but Anon does. I link his comments some times.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 8:58 pm

                • I’ve been banned on many sites and FG’s site is the only site I’ve never been banned on and I’m not saying anything different than I say on this site. I get banned on every site I’ve been on because I tell the truth and they don’t want to hear the truth.
                  Enough said for Holohucksters having an open mind.
                  In fact if I wasn’t posting on this site I wouldn’t be posting anywhere because I pretty much got fed up with dealing with the Knuckleheads out there.
                  And of course the topic that causes all the problems is the Holohoax topic no other topic will cause these problems as much as this one will.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 9:04 pm

                • Relentless ! You’ll get on there and someone will say,”Jimbo,you ruined my day”. You’re gonna reply,”how’d I ruin your day?” You know what their response is gonna be? They’re gonna say,”well. You got outta bed”.

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 7:39 am

                • Don’t give him any ideas Miss Click. There’s a reason why he’d have made a shitty ass hostage negotiator.

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 7:35 am

                • They won’t ban you, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 3, 2016 @ 9:00 pm

                • Probably as you write this comment Jimbo. They’ve done labeled you,”nonconformist outlaw”

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 7:27 am

                • I never have easy sailing on any of these sites they always find something to get me on to ban me or stop me from posting.
                  I think that alone tells you how things go when you’re dealing with the HoloHoax topic.
                  Freedom of speech is only free to those who want to take your freedom of speech away.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 4, 2016 @ 7:32 am

                • Jimbo. You need to go to Skeptic magazines site. Enter “holocaust” in the search box. You’ll have a field day there . Who is Mike Schermer? Seems damned near every article dealing with holo denial is written by him

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 8:09 am

                • I’d lose my arse if it wasn’t attached to me. Thanks Miss Click

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 7:24 am

                • I posted my video in the Elie Wiesel section and it never went up I can see him off to a good start on that site…… typical censoring I’m sure my post went into some moderater mode and they didn’t like what I was saying…. typical b******* I have to deal with online and that’s why I don’t usually deal with it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 4, 2016 @ 7:30 am

                • Truth be known,they probably already know who you are. They probably look at you,the same way they look at your brother Italians,Lucky Luciano and Tony “the ant” Spilotro…..trouble they don’t want.

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 8:00 am

                • It’s still there, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 4, 2016 @ 8:39 am

                • Lol yeah I sometimes loose small things

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 9:41 am

                • Considering mine ain’t small anymore,I shouldn’t lose it. When we had LFX back at Ft. Polk, our instructor used to say,”get your ass down before it gets shot off.” Well if I was there today,I’d have to say,”my ass is down”. Hey. NVA or VC would have a nice juicy target today with my ass.

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 9:51 am

                • Thats good

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 12:07 pm

                • Miss Click. The skeptic site isn’t owned by the guy who owns skeptic magazine,is it?

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 8:03 am

                • Shermer only Hosts the site, from what I am aware it’s completely just a third party relation. Pyrrho practically moderates the site so he would be the owner… Depending on how you describe owner. Shermer doesn’t even go to look at the forum from what I am aware.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 9:46 am

                • I looked up the definition of skeptic. It says,”a person who is inclined to doubt or question accepted opinions. Okay Shermer is the person behind Skeptic magazine. I ain’t gonna lie. I haven’t seen all his articles on the holo,but the ones I did see,have nothing to do with skepticism. He’s picking apart the people who deny the holo. He brings up the ,”trick they use”. From where I stand,he’s being very one sided towards those who are skeptical towards the holo. I’ve seen him tear God apart before. Giving his reasons why God don’t exist. Yet in these articles,he’s just flat out pointing out the faults of the deniers and their opinions on the subject. I just don’t see where he be proving something exists,if his rag is for skeptics. I’ll give him credit for one thing. He don’t like holo laws. He said it controls free thinking. However for the holo,he needs to drop that shit. From what I see,he’s giving his personal opinion. I’m sure as hell not gonna look to him as the textbook example of a skeptic if he’s tearing the holo skeptics apart. Like I said,I heard him talk about God. He wasn’t dissecting the people that believe,he was giving his opinion on why God,”don’t exist”.

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 10:23 am

                • “Okay Shermer is the person behind Skeptic magazine. I ain’t gonna lie. I haven’t seen all his articles on the holo,but the ones I did see,have nothing to do with skepticism.”

                  He has a video of him on BookTv explaining out some issue with denial. He isn’t exactly greatly informed with the operations as he tried to snip down to the level of David Cole a bit. He explained that just cause skepticism says your going to question something doesn’t mean that you can be skeptical of the skeptics of a claim.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 12:10 pm

                • Thing of it is,every time I’ve seen him,he’s played the skeptic. Wether it be Bigfoot,God or UFOs. Take your pick. I could dog the shit out of him on UFOs. All I need to say is,humans are a bunch of arrogant f–ks. Since we know of no ending to the universe,how can we be sure something else doesn’t exist out there. Shit. Why would they visit us? We’ve barely made it past cro magnon stage of evolution. I’m a firm believer in Lords word,but I still question some parts. I can probably shut him down there. Face it . He’s probably got legions of followers. This is one thing that should “not” be bought onto his skeptical traveling roadshow and review. He wants to give his opinion,fine. He just don’t need to feed it to his hoards of zombies. I’ve always said,something bad happened back then. It was a war,bad shit happens. To what extent,I don’t know. It’s just I can see why some people would raise an eye. There’s shit here,I have issues with. Considering this subject is coated with insanity,I’m still waiting for a reasonable answer as to,” why they have holo laws”. No good can come from them period. You wanna try and heal wounds,fine. Just don’t tell people what they can think. Another one I’m waiting on. What kind of AIT ( advanced individual training) did the nazi soldier have,that ran the gas houses? Every military,of every nation,trains the dog face for his or her particular MOS . I knew a guy a Da Nang Air Base. I shit you not. The United States Air Force taught him about landscaping ( to put it bluntly,doing yard work). Germany had a well running military machine ( I’ll admit,hitler stuck his nose in,when he should’ve just let his military leaders run the show). There’s no way you can tell me,you’re gonna send a man to work with something as volatile as zyklon,unless you train him how to handle the material. Sorry,but OJT ain’t gonna cut with that shit. Soon as people can give me coherent answers on those and stop skirting the issue,I might buy into what they say a bit more. I said it before,after my time in Nam,I don’t go along with the crowd anymore. However I said I do give Michael credit for questioning the holo laws. He realizes it encroaches on their free thinking.

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

                • Tim you have to understand that he would not be in business today if he agreed with the Holo hoax so he has to speak out against it but then on the other hand he tries to appease Us by saying he’s against the laws that take our freedom of speech away so he really is playing it from both ends.
                  What he’s doing is trying to save his own skin on the issue and he’s doing a pretty good job because he’s still in business he would not be in business if he spoke out against it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 4, 2016 @ 5:31 pm

                • “Thing of it is,every time I’ve seen him,he’s played the skeptic. Wether it be Bigfoot,God or UFOs.”

                  True, but it also doesn’t mean he has to take sides always based on the idea he has to question the official narrative. He is a skeptic of creationist…. And they are the skeptics of evolution… You don’t see him siding with them.

                  ” I could dog the shit out of him on UFOs. All I need to say is,humans are a bunch of arrogant f–ks. Since we know of no ending to the universe,how can we be sure something else doesn’t exist out there.”

                  True, but hes not a skeptic of other life existing… He argues on if someone can trust eyewitnesses of UFO’s. You again as said can be skeptical of someone making the claim.

                  “Why would they visit us? We’ve barely made it past cro magnon stage of evolution. I’m a firm believer in Lords word,but I still question some parts.”

                  True but even in his book “Denying History” he even questioned areas of the official narrative. For example at majdanek he pointed out (just as David Cole did) that there was a window inside the gas chamber. He said it had to be a delousing chamber. As well Kranz the latest figure on majdanek that is popular for anti-revisonist is even a skeptic of the window even being there in the first place. As in the 1942 photos taken by the Germans he points out the window wasn’t even there. As well the soviets never reported the window.

                  At Skeptic Anon covered over the window a bit with some other members and they mostly concluded that a wooden board may have been covering over the window, until some point after liberation.

                  But they all seem to agree it wasn’t used for gassing, though there is a theory that the room at one point was used for experimental gassings then was transformed into a delousing chamber with new doors and the addition of the window.

                  “I can probably shut him down there. Face it . He’s probably got legions of followers. This is one thing that should “not” be bought onto his skeptical traveling roadshow and review.”

                  He doesn’t run the site and generally people don’t have conversations on this writings all the time.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 6:59 pm

                • “I’m still waiting on a concrete answer as to why holo laws are on the books. Sorry,but I can only come up with 2 answers. 1. They don’t like people asking questions. Something might get out,no one wants out 2. They don’t wanna hurt the Jews feelings. ”

                  I would say you should watch the Holocaust Denial Criminalisation debate. Its by the OxfordUnion and in total is about an hour long.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 4, 2016 @ 8:45 pm

                • Miss Click. Where do I find this video?

                  Comment by Tim — July 5, 2016 @ 8:09 am

                • Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 5, 2016 @ 10:30 am

                • I watched the holo debate. I also found something else that was interesting. It was on a site called,”debatepedia”. My assumption on one reason why they have holo laws,was right on the money. It said holo denial harms survivors Psychologocaly. Once again,welcome to the world,nobody is loved. Like I’ve heard people say,” deal with it”. So,someone feels insulted. I’d like to drag a couple of those people in front of one of my DIs I had back in boot. This son of a bitch would verbally assault you to no end. He didn’t give a shit,if you liked it or not. I mean this shit is rediculous. Tell them to cry like little babies,or cowboy the f–k up and move on. The one I like. They don’t want people to be allowed to deny,because it might lead to a rise in the nazi party. My side is sore from laughing my ass off there. Have you been to,or seen a Klan rally lately? No I don’t go to them,but they’re damned easy to find down here in southeast Texas . The nazi skins are hanging out with the Klansmen. I know a Klanmam. I asked him how they can fly a nazi flag next to an American . He said he didn’t like it,but the skins are after what the Klan is after. Here’s a good one. “Dynamite” Bob Chambliss. He was with the Klan in Alabama . He blew up a church in Birmingham back in ’63. Four little black girls were murdered. All they wanted to do was go and worship that Sunday . So what do we do? Make it illegal for the Klan to run around at their rallies shouting “look out ni–er,the Klans gettin bigger”,just so the blacks who know about that bombing don’t get their feelings hurt. I’ve seen them shout that kinda shit on the courthouse steps. So outlaw the Klan in the hopes they won’t hurt the feelings of the black man and woman? They tried to say holo denial can lead to violence. Really? That’s reaching. Let’s say you got Klansmen on one side and Jews on the other. They start screaming the holo never happened ( most klan members I’ve seen are to illiterate to know how to read,so I wouldn’t look for them to pick up a history book and read anything from ww2). They don’t have to use the holo as a way to get the Jews pissed. They could call their momas whores. They would just want to fight the Jews for one simple reason. They’re Jewish . They would use their free speech to promote holo denial,that way when John Law gets there to start arresting,they could say the Jews were denying them free speech. That’s why the rumble started. At the end of the day,they ain’t gonna give a shit what happened to the Jews in ww2. So the klansmen denying the holo ain’t gonna be the reason the fight started. Like I said,they just want to kick their asses because they’re Jews . While we’re at it,I don’t think the JDL should be allowed to exist. I think it should be labeled as a terrorist organization. Want proof? Look up irv Ruben and his bitch Earl krugel. two of the deceased top dogs with that organization. They’re gonna have to come up with better reasons for holo laws other than,it promotes violence and hurts people’s feelings. They also tried to make it look like the holo law countries came up with these laws themselves. Tried to say Jews had nothing to do with them being written and passed. I find that hard to believe

                  Comment by Tim — July 6, 2016 @ 3:55 pm

                • When I had my four cable shows in my town of Framingham Ma the Jews came up againt us and said the shows were causing post traumatic stress to some watching them.
                  Simple remedy don’t watch them……
                  But seriously the Jews think that their stress is more important than everyones elses.
                  How about the PST that I and many other get listening to all their BS.
                  I guess ours doesn’t count, and our stress is dealing with reality not fairytales.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 4:23 pm

                • You had your own shows? Were they like on the cable community access channels ? You got any of the shows recorded and on the net? Like I said,I found that one site that gave the reasons for why holo laws are good and reasons why their bad. I just knew someone was gonna say they have holo laws,so survivors don’t get their feelings hurt. Now what may or may not have happened here,is not the issue. The issue is people getting their feelings hurt. Once again,welcome to the world,nobody is loved. Actually if these people survived the hell they said they went through,I’d expect words of the holo deniers to roll of the survivors,like water off a ducks back. I’d expect the survivors to say,” I don’t give 2 shits what the holo deniers say happened or didn’t happen. I was there,I know what happened”. Instead of saying something to that effect,they wanna cry about it

                  Comment by Tim — July 6, 2016 @ 5:11 pm

                • I had a lot of my shows on YouTube but the Jews came after me and had my YouTube site taken down so I lost 600 and 700 shows and videos I have some of the shows in other places I have to go look and find out where they are. My holocaust’ videos are banned in 19 countries automatically once they go up but the Jews are the ones that make the complaint and then they make sure they don’t get shown a little countries so if you ask me why I hate the Jews so much that’s the reason because they are the ones that arecoming against me, and censoring me from having my free speech and I just can’t deal with people that do that. I wouldn’t do it to them why would they want to do it to me but they do because they know I’m exposing them as Liars.
                  If you do a search with my name in it Rizoli you’ll come up on many of my videos.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

                • Jimbo. You ain’t even been on that other site ( the skeptic site) a week and you’re already annoying people. A person left the comment,”we have a very insane person in the forum at the moment”. The only person I think they’d be talking about,is you. I know. For you,that’s a compliment

                  Comment by Tim — July 7, 2016 @ 8:37 am

                • “Jimbo. You ain’t even been on that other site ( the skeptic site) a week and you’re already annoying people. A person left the comment,”we have a very insane person in the forum at the moment”. The only person I think they’d be talking about,is you. I know. For you,that’s a compliment”

                  I’ve asked Jim to cool it with the racist stuff.
                  Frankly, Tim, Jim really is nothing more than a parrot. He doesn’t understand the history, he can only make his goofy videos and copy/paste what other deniers have written.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 8:47 am

                • Actually this what you’re doing Jeff….
                  Good name for you….
                  Holoplagarizers
                  Inside the Gas Chambers p. 234
                  They the Holoplagarizers are careful to avoid any debate and hence cannot even refer to certain anti-revisionist internet bloggers who are at least trying to refute what the revisionists have to say. The fact is that the arguments of
                  these bloggers are so poorly put together that not even the participants of
                  the Oranienburg meeting take them seriously, even though these participants are quite willing to use internet sources. In a huge two-volume tome
                  we recently finished off those bloggers – who are more accurate called
                  Holoplagliarizers – by teaching them a harsh lesson in historical methods
                  which encompasses the entire Holocaust historiography.

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 9:27 am

                • “Actually this what you’re doing Jeff….
                  Good name for you….”

                  Damn, Jim, you just proved my point.
                  More cutting and pasting.

                  “Holoplagarizers
                  Inside the Gas Chambers p. 234
                  They the Holoplagarizers are careful to avoid any debate and hence cannot even refer to certain anti-revisionist internet bloggers who are at least trying to refute what the revisionists have to say. The fact is that the arguments of
                  these bloggers are so poorly put together that not even the participants of
                  the Oranienburg meeting take them seriously, even though these participants are quite willing to use internet sources. In a huge two-volume tome
                  we recently finished off those bloggers – who are more accurate called
                  Holoplagliarizers – by teaching them a harsh lesson in historical methods
                  which encompasses the entire Holocaust historiography.”

                  Horse crap.

                  I read the HC “White Paper,” Jim.

                  It basically shredded the Holocaust Handbooks. Their arguments actually fit the actual historical period, which is something you deniers can’t do.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 9:38 am

                • More facts for the No Gas Chambers No HoloHoax
                  I sure do love cut and paste

                  The orthodox Ravensbrück historians did not hesitate to consider such a
                  fable, born out of the propaganda of the immediate post-war period, as a
                  “historical fact.” They were guided not by scientific but by “moral” principles. After all, each memorial site was in need of a gas chamber as a permanent reminder of “Nazi barbarity”! Furthermore, there were personal
                  motivations. Without any gas chamber to boast of, these narrow-gauge historians feel excluded: their camp would no longer have anything to do with
                  the Holocaust, and thus the historian of a second-rate camp automatically
                  becomes a second-rate historian. This is why it is so important for these
                  people to pride themselves on a gas chamber “of their own.” Quite apart
                  from the fact that the only things tourists, when visiting the camp, are really interested in are the gruesome gas chambers. Without a gas chamber,
                  there is no public attention, and without attention there is no funding, and
                  without any funding there is no job and no justification for Holocaust
                  dogmatists.

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 9:49 am

                • Can someone get Polly a cracker?

                  I think Polly is hungry.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 9:59 am

                • I can’t say what racial slurs he may or may not have been using. I told Miss Click I’m here trying to learn and come to my own conclusion on this section of our timeline in human history. I’m having a hard time with that,because everyone is trading barbs and beating a dead horse. So I end up just trashing a lot of the responses on a subject,because it’s not making any progress. So Jimbo may have said a few things,but I probably trashed it ( along with comments from others),because they were just comments,that were going nowhere. I’m not saying nobody else does,but FG and Miss Click are about the only 2 here that really take time to try and give me a direction to go in,when I’m looking for an answer. Like I said,I get help from others,but those 2 seem to be able to pull themselves away from whatever the current rumble may be and try to help me find an answer

                  Comment by Tim — July 8, 2016 @ 8:39 am

                • Jim, give the guy a brake. He died last night.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 4:29 pm

                • This evil man has caused the deaths of several people and the imprisonment of many I hope he rots in hell but I think he’s actually too bad for that the man was a disgusting piece of crap and I have no mercy or sympathy for a person that has done what he’s done knowing he outright lied about everything sorry folks not going to happen with me.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 4:47 pm

                • Who did he directly kill jim? Well?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

                • I should have clarified that he didn’t directly kill anybody as far as I know but he indirectly killed many people who died for the lies that he promoted, created, benefitted from you name it…dealing with the HoloHoax particularly starting with the Nuremberg trials on with anyone that was put in jail or died in jail. Not to mention the millions of Germans who suffered because of the lies he and many others promoted.
                  Like I said before in another post the only just desserts that he got was when he lost his millions in the Bernie Madoff scam he deserve this more than anyone. It’s called Payback and the best way to come after a Jew is by losing their money.
                  Bernie Madoff thanks for the Memories.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 3, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

                • Then he’s not to blame for their deaths.

                  He never ordered anyone’s deaths ether.

                  so he doesn’t retract blame…

                  Did he directly order people to arrest someone? No.

                  No blame rests on him.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 5:45 pm

                • Tim wrote: “I’m still waiting on a concrete answer as to why holo laws are on the books. Sorry,but I can only come up with 2 answers. 1. They don’t like people asking questions. Something might get out,no one wants out 2. They don’t wanna hurt the Jews feelings. ”

                  There are Holo-laws because truth always needs to be protected by laws, Tim. What?!? Makes no sense?

                  Option number 2 is a widespread excuse, a smokescreen. If option number 2 was true, wouldn’t the denial of all genocides or alleged genocides be banned by laws?

                  When Roger Garaudy tried to have the French anti-denial law abrogated by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) as an infringement of freedom of speech and inquiry, in 2003, the ECHR responded to him that ‘Holocaust denial’ was not freedom of speech and inquiry and so was not guaranteed and protected as a human right. The ECHR claimed: “The real purpose of such a work (i.e. Holocaust revisionism) was to rehabilitate the National-Socialist regime and, as a consequence, to accuse the victims of the Holocaust of falsifying history. Disputing the existence of crimes against humanity was, therefore, one of the most severe forms of racial defamation and of incitement to hatred of Jews.” The ECHR added that Holocaust revisionism “did not constitute historical research akin to a quest for the truth,” “constituted a serious threat to public order” and “was incompatible with democracy and human rights.” In fact, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) was a Jewish/Zionist idea and tool. The real aim of the UDHR was the worldwide criminalization of anti-Jewish measures and laws. The idea was the probibition in all countries of any measure against the rise of Jewish hegemonic power similar to the measures taken and enforced by Nazi Germany and other European countries in the 1930’s and 1940’s. Such a Bill of Rights against anti-Semitic defense had been advocated for years by Zionist and Jewish organizations in the United States during the war. As a tool of Zionist domination and a weapon against Gentile resistance, the UDHR of course doesn’t protect the freedom of speech and inquiry of Holocaust revisionists. Being designed from the outset to prevent Gentile resistance to Jewish domination, the UDHR of course doesn’t, and will never, guarantee and protect the expression of facts and ideas detrimental to Jews and Zionism. And since the ‘Holocaust’ is Zionism’s propaganda weapon number one, ‘Holocaust denial’ is of course not a human right. So having it banned was a breeze, and the Zionists knew how to have it banned in as many countries as possible. A mixture of pressures and bribes enabled them to have it banned in 20 countries so far. But the process is still at work and the US 1st amendment won’t prevent that from happening in America too.

                  In Canada, where there is no anti-denial law, the Jews even used a medieval British law of the 13th century banning the expression of any criticism against the king and aristocrats, “the spreading of false news” as that law put it, in order to silence Ernst Zundel!!

                  Comment by hermie — July 4, 2016 @ 8:42 pm

                • I’m just going to answer you here:

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me who believes in a Jewish-Zionist conspiracy to dupe the world into believing the Holocaust existed.”

                  “No conspiracy needed. Providing some food to the Soviet-Allied atrocity propaganda factories during a world war didn’t require any kind of conspiracy. Not my fault that the first guy to tell the world about Hitler’s alleged extermination operation during WW2 was Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, the Father of US Zionism himself.”

                  Such a simplistic view of how this information got out. The reality is that the British intercepted signals regarding the mass murders of Jews by the Einsatzgruppen as early as July 1941, the Polish underground received reports from the Jewish Bund and witnessed German operations personally in the Spring and Summer of 1942, with the Bund Report in May of 1942 actually detailing gas van operations at Chelmno along with other actions. The Bund Report specifically mentioned 700,000 Jewish dead. The BBC broadcast this information in May and June of 1942. The US newspapers reported this information but buried it and downplayed both numbers and details. Wise did make a broadcast regarding this but you are simply wrong in asserting that Wise “was the first guy to tell the world.” Shock, you being wrong. No, not really a shock.

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me who believes that the Germans deported millions of Jews into active war zones….but can’t prove it.”

                  “Borman , Buehler, Seyss-Inquart and myself.”

                  You know, I haven’t really addressed this.
                  Let’s go to the tape:

                  Buehler:

                  DR. SEIDL: The Prosecution submitted an extract from Frank’s diary in evidence under Number USA-281 (Document Number 2233(d)-PS.) This is a discussion of Jewish problems. In this connection Frank said, among other things:

                  “My attitude towards the Jews is based on the expectation that they will disappear; they must go away. I have started negotiations for deporting them to the East. This question will be discussed at a large meeting in Berlin in January, to which I shall send State Secretary Dr. Buehler. This conference is to take place at the Reich Security Main Office in the office of SS Obergruppenfuehrer Heydrich. In any case Jewish emigration on a large scale will begin.”

                  The above seems incomplete. Let’s give ol’ Frank the credit he is due:

                  “…One way or another – I will tell you that, quite openly – we must finish off the Jews.The Fuhrer put it into words once: “should united Jewry again succeed in setting off a world war: then the blood sacrifice shall not be made only by the peoples driven into war, but then the Jew of Europe will have met his end”. I know that there is criticism of many of the measures now applied to the Jews in the Reich. There are always deliberate attempts to speak again and again of cruelty, harshness, etc.: this emerges from the reports on the popular mood. I appeal to you: before now I continue speaking; first, agree with me on a formula: we will have pity, on principle, only for the German people, and for nobody else in the world. The others had no pity for us either. As an old National-Socialist, I must also say that if the pack of Jews were to survive the war in Europe while we sacrifice the best of our blood for the preservation of Europe, then this war would still be only a partial success. I will therefore, on principle, approach Jewish affairs in the expectation that the Jews will dissappear. They must go. I have started negotiations for the purpose of having them pushed off to the East. In January there will be a major conference on this question in Berlin (Wannsee – Jan. 42) to which I shall send State Secretary Dr. Buhler. The conference is to be held in the office of SS Obergruppenfuhrer Heydrich at the Reich Security Main Office. A major Jewish migration will certainly begin.
                  But what should be done with the Jews? Can you believe that they will be accommodated in settlements in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told: why are you making all this trouble? We don’t want them either – not in Ostland or in the Reichskommisariat; liquidate them yourselves! Gentlemen, I must ask you to steel yourselves against all considerations of compassion. We must destroy the Jews wherever we find them and wherever it is at all possible, in order to maintain the whole structure of the Reich…the views that were acceptable up to now cannot be applied to such gigantic, unique events. In any case, we must find a way that will lead us to our goal and I have my own ideas on this.
                  The Jews are exceptionally harmful feeders for us. In the Government-General (Poland & surrounding occupied areas), we have approximately 2.5 million, and now perhaps 3.5 million together with persons who have Jewish kin and so on. We cannot shoot these 3.5 million Jews, we cannot poison them, but we will take measures that will somehow lead to successful destruction; and this in connection with large-scale procedures which are to be discussed in the Reich, the Government-General must become as free of Jews as the Reich. Where and how this is to be done is the affair of bodies which we will have to appoint and create, and on whose work I will report to you when the time comes…. .”

                  There, that’s better. Funny, ol’ Frank seems to say there WON’T be settlements in the Ostland for them. Also, there’s a lot about “liquidate them yourselves.”
                  Anyway:

                  I ask you now, did the Governor General send you to Berlin for that conference; and if so, what was the subject of the conference?

                  BUEHLER: Yes, I was sent to the conference and the subject of the conference was the Jewish problem. I might say in advance that from the beginning Jewish questions in the Government General were considered as coming under the jurisdiction of the Higher SS and Police Leader and handled accordingly. The handling of Jewish matters by the state administration was supervised and merely tolerated by the Police. […] At that moment Heydrich’s invitation to the Governor General was received. The conference was originally supposed to take place in November 1941, but it was frequently postponed and it may have taken place in February 1942.

                  Because of the special problems of the Government General I had asked Heydrich for a personal interview and he received me. On that occasion, among many other things, I described in particular the catastrophic conditions which had resulted from the arbitrary bringing of Jews into the Government General. He replied that for this very reason he had invited the Governor General to the conference. The Reichsfuehrer SS, so he said, had received an order from the Fuehrer to round up all the Jews of Europe and to settle them in the Northeast of Europe, in Russia. […] Heydrich said furthermore that the Fuehrer had given an order that Theresienstadt, a town in the Protectorate, would become a reservation in which old and sick Jews, and weak Jews who could not stand the strains of resettlement, were to be accommodated in the future. This information left me definitely convinced that the resettlement of the Jews, if not for the sake of the Jews, then for the sake of the reputation and prestige of the German people, would be carried out in a humane fashion.

                  […]

                  SMIRNOV: Then the Jewish ghettos were already empty. In that case, what happened to the Jews from Poland?

                  BUEHLER: When these Jewish ghettos were emptied, I assumed they were resettled in the northeast of Europe. The chief of the RSHA had definitely told me at the conference in February 1942 that this was the intention.

                  Now, Buehler himself wasn’t on trial, he testified on Frank’s behalf, but he was extradited to Poland to face trial. So, really, we expect him to say “Of course, what happened was this:

                  We emptied the ghettos and sent them to death camps to be gassed.”

                  You really are childishly simple. We’ve been over this before, why would you expect someone TESTIFYING on Frank’s behalf to admit to atrocities? Why would he admit that WHEN HE IS FACING HIS OWN TRIAL?

                  Also, Buehler didn’t give locations on where the Jews were sent. He is saying, “I assumed…..”

                  ************************************************************************

                  Seyss-Inquart:

                  “Seyss-Inquart: “In the course of 1943 I spoke with Hitler and called his attention to this problem in the Netherlands (which was the presence of large numbers of Jews in close proximity to the Dutch coast where an Allied invasion could be anticipated in the near future). In his own convincing way “Hitler reassured me”

                  How sweet, Hitler reassured Seyss-Inquart!!!! I wonder if Hitler gave him a stuffed bunny and a box of chocolates at the same time?????

                  Of course by 1943 most of the Jews targeted for destruction were dead. The two deadliest years of the Holocaust were 1941 and 1942.

                  “and at the same time admitted that he was thinking of a permanent evacuation of the Jews, if possible, from all of Europe, and from countries which Germany wanted mainly friendly relations. He wanted to have the Jews settled on the eastern border of the German sphere of interest in so far as they were not able to emigrate to other parts of the earth.”

                  Q. Did you talk with Hitler before 1943.

                  A. I was merely present when Hitler talked about these problems ( ie;- the evacuations of Jews as part of the final solution ). It was always along this line – to eliminate the Jews from the German population and to send then somewhere abroad.
                  Q. But there was no talk about destruction of the Jews?

                  Whatever.

                  What else does Seyss-Inquart say about Jews?

                  “According to Seyss-Inquart:

                  “The Jews, for us, are not Dutch. They are those enemies with whom we can come to neither an armistice nor to peace. This applies here, if you wish, for the duration of the occupation. Do not expect an order from me which stipulates this, except regulations concerning police matters.

                  We will beat the Jews wherever we meet them, and those who join them must bear the consequences. The Führer declared that the Jews have played their final act in Europe, and therefore they have played their final act.”

                  What was Hitler saying in 1943 about the Jews?

                  “The meeting between Hitler and Horthy on 16 and 17 April 1943 has generally been regarded by historians as one of the few occasions on which Hitler openly admitted the extermination of the Jews in Poland. The minutes of the meeting were taken by Dr. Paul Otto Schmidt, who confirmed them and added his own recollections at the Nuremberg trials. There is no doubt about their authenticity. The minutes for the meeting on 17 April 1943 record a statement by Ribbentrop, in Hitler’s presence, to a point made by Horthy:
                  On Horthy’s retort, what should he do with the Jews then, after he had pretty well taken all means of living from them – he surely couldn’t beat them to death – The Reich Foreign Minister replied that the Jews must either be annihilated or taken to concentration camps. There was no other way.
                  2. This blunt statement by Ribbentrop contributed to the conclusion of the judges at the Nuremberg trials in October 1946, that Ribbentrop had played an important part in the ‘final solution’ and was guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
                  3. On 17 April 1943, Hitler almost immediately confirmed Ribbentrop’s explicitly murderous statement at some length:
                  Where the Jews were left to themselves, as for example in Poland, gruesome poverty and degeneracy had ruled. They were just pure parasites. One had fundamentally cleared up this state of affairs in Poland. If the Jews there didn’t want to work, they were shot. If they couldn’t work, they had to perish. They had to be treated like tuberculosis bacilli, from which a healthy body could be infected. That was not cruel, if one remembered that even innocent natural creatures like hares and deer had to be killed so that no harm was caused. Why should one spare the beasts who wanted to bring us Bolshevism more? Nations who did not rid themselves of Jews perished.”

                  Also, I’ll repeat this again:
                  Seyss-Inquart was on trial for his life. He is not required to tell the truth. He’s not going to admit culpability in mass murder. Also, when did this alleged meeting take place?

                  Borman:

                  “Martin Borman: “Starting with the territory of the Reich and proceeding to the remaining European countries included in the final solution, the Jews are currently being deported to large camps which have already been established or which are to be established in the East, where they will either be used for work or else transported still farther to the East. The old Jews as well as Jews with high military decorations [Kriegsauszeichnungen] (Iron Cross 1st Class, (E.K.I.) Golden Medal for Valor [Goldene Tapferkeitsmedaille], etc.), are currently being resettled in the city of Theresienstadt which is located in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.” (October 9, 1942)”

                  Borman was dead by the time of the IMT.

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me who believes that somehow the British and French duped Hitler into war…..oh, I still haven’t seen any proof of that.”

                  “The numerous refusals of Hitler’s countless wartime peace offers vastly demonstrated that.”

                  Oh, yes, the British, French, Soviets and the US all had reasons to trust that peace loving hippy, Hitler.
                  So, tell me, why didn’t the hippy dippy flower child withdraw from Poland? After all, wouldn’t the peace and love Hitler do that for the sake of avoiding war? After all, that was the condition that the British and French set for avoiding war. Why couldn’t the owl kissing, tree hugging, peace loving pacifist call a cease fire with the Poles? Set up conditions for a withdrawal and a resumption of negotiations? Why?

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh, you are mistaking me for you. You never provide proof of anything.”

                  “Hey, I’m not the accuser.”

                  That’s getting old. That’s just the old Hermie canard of avoiding admitting he doesn’t have anything.

                  “Exposing your complete inability to bring convincing evidence of your charges of extermination, is enough for me. ;-)”

                  Really? I’ve provided proof of gas vans, gas chambers, Soviet and Polish reports, posted pictures, transport schedules, telegrams, reports, so on and so forth. Click did the same.
                  What have you provided?

                  Random newspaper articles, a phone transcript and an endless supply of worthless quotes from Zionists.
                  You’ve also regaled me with meaningless bullshit about witches and even told me about the devil’s penis. I could have done without that.
                  So, in your honor:

                  Jeff wrote: “Aaaaaaaawwwww, I’m sorry, did I hurt some denier feelings?”

                  “No, you didn’t. Just wanted to point out your use of worried liars’ dialectical tactics. Being reduced to belittle your opponents with names doesn’t indicate safety and confidence but fear and anxiety.”

                  No, it just means I enjoy mocking your inability to provide any sort of sane proof of the bullshit you believe in.

                  Jeff wrote: “All the ones I’ve seen are. You are.”

                  “I am.”

                  I know. Thanks for proving my point.
                  Though, I don’t really understand why. You’re Belgian, not German. The Germans invaded your country twice the previous century and it wasn’t a party either time.

                  Jeff wrote: “Hey, it’s not my fault the guy that did that is a dumbass. It just proves how stupid the cult of denial is.”

                  “How does a guy using material produced by Holocaust believers (trying to demonize their enemies by linking them to Hitler and his alleged ‘Holocaust’) prove ‘how stupid the cult of denial is’?”

                  No Holocaust historian would ever caption a picture “inmate of Auschwitz 1938-1945.”
                  Seriously, that’s still funny.

                  “Just proves that Holohoax conspiracy theorists are so accustomed to believe in groundless stories that they sometimes feel free to make up and spread their own groundless stories…”

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 4, 2016 @ 8:50 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “I’m just going to answer you here:”

                  Oh no! Wizard Kross Section’s usual smoke and mirrors again!! So scary…😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Such a simplistic view of how this information got out. The reality is that the British intercepted signals regarding the mass murders of Jews by the Einsatzgruppen as early as July 1941, the Polish underground received reports from the Jewish Bund and witnessed German operations personally in the Spring and Summer of 1942, with the Bund Report in May of 1942 actually detailing gas van operations at Chelmno along with other actions. The Bund Report specifically mentioned 700,000 Jewish dead. The BBC broadcast this information in May and June of 1942. The US newspapers reported this information but buried it and downplayed both numbers and details. Wise did make a broadcast regarding this but you are simply wrong in asserting that Wise “was the first guy to tell the world.” Shock, you being wrong. No, not really a shock.”

                  The Bund report was more food for atrocity propaganda in Britain than the real beginning of the WW2 worldwide campaign of atrocity propaganda now called the Holocaust. That’s why the orthodox narrative of Rabbi Wise compelled to kee silent from August 1942 to November 1942, i.e. until Sumner Welles finally allowed him to spread the word, is still being told today. Would that make sense if the word was already out in June 1942 as implied by yourself?

                  Jeff wrote: “You know, I haven’t really addressed this. Let’s go to the tape:”

                  Is that smoke that I can smell? Is that mirrors that I can see?😉

                  Jeff wrote: “The above seems incomplete. Let’s give ol’ Frank the credit he is due:”

                  Good idea…

                  Jeff wrote: “Frank: …One way or another – I will tell you that, quite openly – we must finish off the Jews.The Fuhrer put it into words once: “should united Jewry again succeed in setting off a world war: then the blood sacrifice shall not be made only by the peoples driven into war, but then the Jew of Europe will have met his end”.”

                  Frank was referring to Hitler’s well-known annihilation prophecy of January 30, 1939. We’ve already talked about that previously. On that day, Hitler didn’t talk about a mass murder of Europe’s Jewry in the event of another world war. That Frank or anybody else believed in a coming ‘blood sacrifice’ doesn’t matter. All that matters is what Hitler actually said on that day and what he really meant.

                  Jeff wrote: “Frank: I know that there is criticism of many of the measures now applied to the Jews in the Reich. There are always deliberate attempts to speak again and again of cruelty, harshness, etc.: this emerges from the reports on the popular mood.”

                  A number of German civilians didn’t like the unceremonious uprooting and ejection of their Jewish neighbors, ‘reports on the popular mood’ said. So what?

                  Jeff wrote: “Frank: I will therefore, on principle, approach Jewish affairs in the expectation that the Jews will dissappear. They must go. I have started negotiations for the purpose of having them pushed off to the East. In January there will be a major conference on this question in Berlin (Wannsee – Jan. 42) to which I shall send State Secretary Dr. Buhler. The conference is to be held in the office of SS Obergruppenfuhrer Heydrich at the Reich Security Main Office. A major Jewish migration will certainly begin.”

                  Holocaust denier Bühler was at that conference (the Wannsee Conference) and didn’t confirm the Holohoaxsters’ crazy conspiracy theory.

                  Jeff wrote: “Frank: But what should be done with the Jews? Can you believe that they will be accommodated in settlements in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told: why are you making all this trouble? We don’t want them either – not in Ostland or in the Reichskommisariat; liquidate them yourselves! ”

                  The man of the street in Berlin, the ‘popular mood’ mentioned by Frank earlier, wondered why all the trouble with those compulsory deportations of Jews and thought that it would be easier to just liquidate those Jews in Poland. So what? The Third Reich’s anti-Jewish policies were not designed and ordered by the man of the street in Berlin, nor by Hans Frank, but by Nazi leaders such as Hitler, Himmler, Goering and Heydrich.

                  Jeff wrote: “Frank: Gentlemen, I must ask you to steel yourselves against all considerations of compassion. We must destroy the Jews wherever we find them and wherever it is at all possible, in order to maintain the whole structure of the Reich…the views that were acceptable up to now cannot be applied to such gigantic, unique events. In any case, we must find a way that will lead us to our goal and I have my own ideas on this.”

                  What was the German word for ‘destroy’ in this instance? Ausrotten? Not as simple as exterminationist simpletons want to depict it…

                  Jeff wrote: “Frank: The Jews are exceptionally harmful feeders for us. In the Government-General (Poland & surrounding occupied areas), we have approximately 2.5 million, and now perhaps 3.5 million together with persons who have Jewish kin and so on.”

                  Good for Europe’s Jews that Frank was not the guy choosing and ordering what should be done with those ‘harmful feeders.’

                  Jeff wrote: ” Frank: We cannot shoot these 3.5 million Jews, we cannot poison them, but we will take measures that will somehow lead to successful destruction; and this in connection with large-scale procedures which are to be discussed in the Reich, the Government-General must become as free of Jews as the Reich. Where and how this is to be done is the affair of bodies which we will have to appoint and create, and on whose work I will report to you when the time comes…. .”

                  What part of ‘we cannot shoot or poison those Jews’ do you fail to understand? And why are you allowed to use words told before the Wannsee Conference and the liquidation of the ghettos in the General Governorate to prove that ‘Final Solution = Mass murder’ when I’m not allowed to do that to prove that ‘Final Solution =/= Mass murder’?

                  Jeff wrote: “There, that’s better. Funny, ol’ Frank seems to say there WON’T be settlements in the Ostland for them. Also, there’s a lot about “liquidate them yourselves.””

                  Indeed better. Frank didn’t say that there won’t be Jewish settlements there. Frank said that a number of German civilians found that the establisment of such settlements was useless and that the Nazi authorities shouldn’t waste time and resources for that.

                  Jeff wrote: “Now, Buehler himself wasn’t on trial, he testified on Frank’s behalf, but he was extradited to Poland to face trial. You really are childishly simple. We’ve been over this before, why would you expect someone TESTIFYING on Frank’s behalf to admit to atrocities? Why would he admit that WHEN HE IS FACING HIS OWN TRIAL?”

                  Why would a man ‘admit’ crimes when facing his own trial but not when testifying on somebody else’s behalf? Perhaps because it’s easier to tell the truth when your balls are not kicked by some gaolers than it is when they are. Who’s childishly simple and naive on this one?

                  Jeff wrote: “How sweet, Hitler reassured Seyss-Inquart!!!! I wonder if Hitler gave him a stuffed bunny and a box of chocolates at the same time?????”

                  You’re entitled to your opinion that Hitler lied to Seyss-Inquart about that. In any event, the fact that Hitler was reportedly a Holocaust denier remains…

                  Jeff wrote: “What else does Seyss-Inquart say about Jews? According to Seyss-Inquart: “The Jews, for us, are not Dutch. They are those enemies with whom we can come to neither an armistice nor to peace. This applies here, if you wish, for the duration of the occupation. Do not expect an order from me which stipulates this, except regulations concerning police matters. We will beat the Jews wherever we meet them, and those who join them must bear the consequences. The Führer declared that the Jews have played their final act in Europe, and therefore they have played their final act.””

                  Yes, Jewish parasitism was to end in Europe.

                  Jeff wrote: “What was Hitler saying in 1943 about the Jews? “The meeting between Hitler and Horthy on 16 and 17 April 1943 has generally been regarded by historians as one of the few occasions on which Hitler openly admitted the extermination of the Jews in Poland. The minutes of the meeting were taken by Dr. Paul Otto Schmidt, who confirmed them and added his own recollections at the Nuremberg trials. There is no doubt about their authenticity.”

                  No doubt about their authenticity? Yes, just as there was no doubt about Geocentrism when Galileo Galilei was in jail…😉

                  Arthur Butz: “The evidence that Hitler said this is the alleged minutes of the meeting and the supporting IMT testimony of Dr. Paul Otto Schmidt, Hitler’s interpreter, who normally sat in on such conferences and prepared the minutes. Schmidt testified that he was present at the meeting and that the minutes were genuine and prepared by him. However, in his later book, he wrote that he was not present, because Horthy had insisted on his leaving the room!”

                  And if these minutes are to be trusted, why do Holohoaxsters always ‘omit’ to mention what Hitler reportedly said on the previous day (i.e. on April 16)?

                  April 16: “But they can hardly be murdered or otherwise eliminated”, [Horthy] protested. Hitler reassured him: “There is no need for that”.

                  Jeff wrote: “Also, I’ll repeat this again: Seyss-Inquart was on trial for his life. He is not required to tell the truth. He’s not going to admit culpability in mass murder. Also, when did this alleged meeting take place? ”

                  No, you don’t repeat this again. In fact, you say the exact opposite of what you usually say. You always claim that Nazis on trial for their life wouldn’t have lied and that their court ‘confessions’ are probative. That’s what you said about Buehler, i.e. that he lied when testifying on Frank’s behalf but told the truth when on trial for his life. And now you claim that Seyss-Inquart lied because he was on trial for life. Utter hypocrisy! You have only decided arbitrarily that the court testimonies confirming the ‘Holocaust’ are the truth and that the court testimonies denying it are just a pack of lies.

                  Jeff wrote: “Borman was dead by the time of the IMT.”

                  So all the Nazi wartime documents must be dismissed if their authors were dead when WW2 ended. Is this what you’re saying?

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh, yes, the British, French, Soviets and the US all had reasons to trust that peace loving hippy, Hitler.
                  So, tell me, why didn’t the hippy dippy flower child withdraw from Poland? After all, wouldn’t the peace and love Hitler do that for the sake of avoiding war? After all, that was the condition that the British and French set for avoiding war. Why couldn’t the owl kissing, tree hugging, peace loving pacifist call a cease fire with the Poles? Set up conditions for a withdrawal and a resumption of negotiations? Why?”

                  Hitler did accept the armistice (cease fire) and peace conference offered by Mussolini in early September 1939. But Britain immediately torpedoed Mussolini’s offer and formulated a requirement that she knew unacceptable, i.e. the withdrawal of all the German troops from Polish territory, together with her well-known bellicose ultimatum. Just after the defeat of Poland, Hitler once again appealed to France and Britain for a peace conference about the future of Poland, and his appeal was met with the same deafening silence as his other previous and future peace offers. Perfidious Albion’s alleged desire for peace is one the most laughable fairy tales ever made up…

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s getting old. That’s just the old Hermie canard of avoiding admitting he doesn’t have anything.”

                  As old as justice itself. You’re entitled to remain on the side of injustice and upside down burden of proof, but you could at least admit it frankly.

                  Jeff wrote: “Really? I’ve provided proof of gas vans, gas chambers, Soviet and Polish reports, posted pictures, transport schedules, telegrams, reports, so on and so forth. Click did the same.”

                  Your ‘proof,’ as well as Click’s ones, are a joke. Debunked as easily as your sister gets laid.

                  Jeff wrote: “What have you provided?”

                  Full light on Holohoaxsters’ conjuring trick…😉

                  Jeff wrote: ” Though, I don’t really understand why. You’re Belgian, not German. The Germans invaded your country twice the previous century and it wasn’t a party either time.”

                  Very telling!! What is this? The first line of the perfect biased twHistorian’s guidebook?

                  Due to its location, Belgium was of course in the way every time there was a war between French and Germans. Should I also hate the French people because Napoleon and numerous French Kings rolled over Belgium on several occasions?

                  Jeff wrote: “No Holocaust historian would ever caption a picture “inmate of Auschwitz 1938-1945.” Seriously, that’s still funny.”

                  No revisionist Holocaust historian would ever do that neither. An anonymous guy once captioned a pic erroneously. What a big deal! On the other hand, exterminationist Holocaust historians often let mainstream media use various pics of typhus epidemics in some Western camps, without contradicting them, in order to ‘prove’ the use of homicidal gas chambers in some Eastern camps. Deliberate deception. Something much more serious than the little mistake making you laugh so much…

                  Comment by hermie — July 10, 2016 @ 7:48 am

                • Why are you continuing this Hermie? Just why?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 1:55 pm

                • Because he can’t help himself.

                  I’ll have a reply for him later.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 10, 2016 @ 2:16 pm

                • Click wrote: “Why are you continuing this Hermie? Just why?”

                  ?????????????

                  Because I have objections to Jeff’s claims.

                  Why should I stop talking to Jeff? Have I lost my response right because I was away for one week? Your weird question sounds like an obscurantist complaint. Something like: Why do you keep saying the earth revolves around the sun, Signore Galilei? GG: Because it does, Your Holiness…

                  Comment by hermie — July 11, 2016 @ 4:25 am

                • This is a dead post from what I am aware.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 11, 2016 @ 6:34 am

                • I don’t mind continuing this conversation with Hermie.

                  Hermie and I do this all of the time, Click. I just haven’t had time to complete my reply to him yet. We often veer off topic.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 11, 2016 @ 6:59 am

                • Hmm, I just haven’t seen many replies on this side. Thought he was trying to concoct a reply without your knowledge.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 11, 2016 @ 7:31 am

                • I’ve set an e-mail alert on the topics I follow (though I don’t always get them).

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 11, 2016 @ 7:38 am

                • Ah, alright. My email isn’t connected with this account so I do not get those.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 11, 2016 @ 7:40 am

      • Ah! – the Daily Telegraph. It doesn’t surprise me that particular news outlet first published all this mobile gas chamber garbage. Its always been regarded as the forum for British spooks and spies to get their message out to the world. During the war, British intelligence agencies would have been very active in issuing fake propaganda stories; psy-ops of one sort or another; and dirty tricks galore!

        It claims that their information comes from the Jewish representative of the exiled Polish National Council in London, who gained all this stuff from unknown sources back in Poland. Well, that’s conclusive proof then, isn’t it guys n’ gals, the story must be true – and our holocaust friends have eagerly been promoting it ever since 1942.

        Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 7:56 am

          • Um, are you upset that Eli once visited Disneyland?

            Or that he took a road trip?

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 8:29 am

            • I just thought it was funny Eli the weasel goes to Disneyland and yet I called Auschwitz and all the camps Horror Disneyland…. just kind of struck me funny.
              Another liar that most of you Holohucksters are believing.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 9:00 am

          • The highly esteemed Nobel Peace Prize winner claims that he visited ” an American Indian reservation in Arizona, where he met a Holocaust survivor “who made his living as an Indian by day while remaining a Jew by night”.

            I bet the old Weasel was thrilled to listen to this guy’s account. It would give him all kinds of ideas for tricks and scams to play on the world stage.

            By the way – I’m an Australian Aboriginal by day and an Eskimo at night.

            Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 10:24 am

            • That would be impossible. My Mee Maw was of the Blackfoot nation. Native Americans take their shit deadly serious. Look up Russell Means. He was running AIM for awhile. Some Indians say he was a terrorist,others say he was trying to get the white man to make good on shit. The Native Americans would sniff out a Jew in no time. Navajo,Hopi,Zuni. Those are a few of the nations there. No way in hell they’d let him run his BS. Juxtapose the Jew with a Hopi. The physical difference alone,would give his lying ass away.

              Comment by Tim — June 28, 2016 @ 7:51 am

  6. This is the list of transports:

    1941 Dec. 7 Koło 700
    Dec. 8 Koło 700
    Dec. 9 Koło 700
    Dec. 10 Koło 700
    Dec. 11 Koło 700
    Dec. 14 7 D ą bie 975
    Dec. (second half) Dobra 1,100
    1942 Jan. 2–9 Łód ź (Roma) 4,300
    Jan. 10, 12 Kłodawa 1,000
    Jan. 13 Bugaj 600
    Jan. 14–15 Izbica Kujawska 1,000
    Jan. 16–29 Łód ź 10,003
    Feb. 2 Sompolno 1,000
    Feb. 22–28 Łód ź 7,025
    Mar. 1–31 Łód ź 24,699
    Mar. 2 Kro ś niewice 900
    Mar. 3 Ż ychlin 3,200
    Mar. (first half) Ozorków 500
    Mar. (second half) Podd ę bice 2,008
    Mar. 26 8 Kutno 6,000
    Apr. 1–2 Łód ź 2,349 9
    Apr. 10 Grabów 1,240
    Apr. 10–11 Ł ę czyca 1,750
    Apr. 16–17 10 Gostynin 2,000
    Apr. 16–17 11 G ą bin 2,150
    Apr. 17 Sanniki 250
    Apr. 22 Osi ę ciny 300
    Apr. (mid-month) 12 Brze ś ć Kujawski < 200
    13 Apr. (mid-month) Piotrków Kujawski < 550
    Apr. 30–May 2 Włocławek 3,500
    May 4–15 Łód ź 10,914
    May 17–18 Pabianice 4,000
    May 19–20 14 Brzeziny 3,000
    May 22 15 Ozorków 300
    June 10–11 Radziejów Kujawski 630
    July 20 Czachulec 10,000
    16 July (end) Lutomiersk 750
    Aug. 11–13 17 Bełchatów 4,953
    Aug. 14 Szadek 450
    Aug. 22 Sieradz 1,400
    Aug. 22–24 Warta 1,353
    Aug. 24–28 Łask 2,600
    18 Aug. 19 (last week) Wielu ń 10,000
    Aug. 25–26 20 Zdu ń ska Wola ń 10,900
    Sept. 1–2, 7–12 Łód ź 15,685
    21 Sept. 14 22 Zelów 6,000

    1944 June 23 Łód ź 562
    June 26 Łód ź 912
    June 28 Łód ź 803
    June 30 Łód ź 700
    July 3 Łód ź 700
    July 5 Łód ź 709
    July 7 Łód ź 700
    July 10 Łód ź 700
    July 12 Łód ź 700
    July 14 Łód ź 700
    Total for 1941–43: 165,034
    Total for 1944: 7,196
    Grand Total: 172,230

    Comment by Jeff K. — June 26, 2016 @ 7:33 pm

    • Is this the list you’re always talking about? Where were they packing these folks off to.? Once again,I’ve hit a chug hole in the road . One person says the nazis did a shit job of record keeping. Someone else says the had the hardon from hell when it came to keeping the books current. I thought I was picky about my cattle. I wanna learn record keeping from this person.

      Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 7:52 pm

      • They were not going anywhere. You go to Chelmno then you end up in the back of the gas van.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 7:58 pm

        • You wrote: “You go to Chelmno then you end up in the back of the gas van.”

          Aren’t you a bit suspicious about the use of vans? Why not build real gas chambers in buildings at Chelmno?

          Auschwitz-Birkenau had many gas chambers. Why not send all the Jews there — in vans?

          Comment by furtherglory — June 26, 2016 @ 8:12 pm

          • It was the first death camp, it was new and the latest German murder trend was gas vans. It’s what they would have experience in and it makes sense if you add up the factors…

            Why exactly chelmnos use of van should make me question its authenticity…. I’m not sure…

            I’ll leave that up to you to explain.

            Also Auschwits came late in the game, at a time when the Germans started learning how to operate a death camp efficiently. Hoess had examples to run off from, Chelmnos didn’t. There is no comparison.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 8:22 pm

            • You wrote: “Also Auschwits came late in the game, at a time when the Germans started learning how to operate a death camp efficiently.”

              I think that the Germans would have called in Fred Leuchter as a consultant. After all, he is ethnic German. Fred would have told them to forget gas chambers because they are too dangerous and too inefficient. Fred would have told them to just shoot the Jews.

              Comment by furtherglory — June 26, 2016 @ 8:42 pm

              • Sadly the Jews were not shot but if they were we wouldn’t be in this situation today with all the new hate laws that are coming down the pike and all the Holohucksters making up all these stories about what they claim happened in these camps.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 26, 2016 @ 8:54 pm

                • In response to JR’s statement.

                  I present 3 lines of evidence that proves him wrong.

                  1) A Page from Himmler’s Appointment Book.

                  Partial Translation

                  “Fuehrer’s Headquarters Wolf’s Lair December 18 1941 16.2 [4:20 PM or 4:00 PM?] Fuehrer

                  Jewish Question | to exterminate as partisans
                  __________”

                  2) filmed footage of the Germans shooting Jews (marked by white armband) and no they are not partizans.

                  3) The Jäger report which claims that 137,000 Jews were killed.

                  The method was shooting, which can be told via the following quote.

                  “The distance between from the assembly point to the graves was on average 4 to 5 Km. ”

                  It was intentional, this can be told from the following quotes.

                  “Today I can confirm that our objective, to solve the Jewish problem for Lithuania, has been achieved by EK 3. *In Lithuania there are no more Jews*, apart from Jewish workers and their families.”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:39 pm

                • Also stop it with the damn laws argument I have explained it to you countless times that It doesn’t just apply to holocaust denial.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:49 pm

              • I don’t think they would have, cause Jim can’t even measure a person correctly. He would make a room large enough for 4000 people and say it would only fit 3.

                Fred has experience with gas chambers in America, not from the 1940’s. He also didn’t work with Zyklon, which shows quite well when he says the chambers faced a chance of explosion. His lack of experience with Zyklon shows during the trial when asked if he ever gassed any bugs.

                He also never had a degree for his Job, and was never an engineer. So I’m sorry to say but the Germans would consider his word like any modern court. Rubbish.

                Anyway just for some quick points .

                1) people do not take up (0.836 sq. m.)

                2) He over estimated the danger of Zyklon. This is a Faurisson move…

                3) at his trial he said the following.

                ” I’ve never killed beetles. I, you know, I don’t know. I haven’t made computations for killing beetles”

                4) he was never an engineer.

                http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/leuchter-consent-agreement/

                And I honestly wouldn’t care what Fred would tell them to do… I have heard his ideas from Mr Death, and while they would work that still doesn’t mean they would be any more effective then the gas chambers. Even if they did turn out more effective this still doesn’t changed what happened.

                As Pelt explained inside of Mr Death “If Leuchter had gone to the archives, if he had spent time in the archives, he would’ve found evidence about ventilation systems, evidence about ways to introduce Zyklon B into these buildings, evidence of gas chambers, undressing rooms. But then of course, I don’t think he knows German, so it wouldn’t have helped very much. “

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 9:10 pm

                • Clickhead…. it’s nice to see that you’re spreading the same propaganda and lies against Fred…. just let me set you straight on that because I know Fred well and I’ve been with him several times…. you don’t need a license to be an engineer in Massachusetts you only need a license if you submit blueprints do you understand that now that’s the truth that’s from Fred alright.
                  So please stop lying about him.
                  Also he would have not been permitted to serve the penitentiary’s in several States if he was doing something illegal.
                  The only reason why they got rid of him was because of the influence of the Jews that’s how they work they try to shipwreck you economically if you come against them. Despicable evil group of people.
                  They did the same thing with me but the problem was it didn’t work.

                  JR

                  So are you going to believe Fred are you going to believe your fellow Holohucksters who are lying against him

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 26, 2016 @ 9:17 pm

                • Give us the link to your video in which Fred speaks. Fred comes across as a very nice guy in the video. He is the world’s foremost expert on gas chambers. Is there anyone who knows more about gas chambers than he does?

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 26, 2016 @ 9:21 pm

                • The death row convicts from San Quentin ,but they’re all taking a dirt nap right now.

                  Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 9:57 pm

                • Jim personal experience is not tangible evidence. And what I have said is complete fact.

                  1) just cause you don’t need a license doesn’t mean that having one gives someone more credibility. This is beside the point, and it still doesn’t mean that he would have experience with gas chambers like the ones at Auschwtiz. This is ignoring the fact that your house can literally turn into a gas chamber with something like a build up of Carbon Monoxide.

                  2) I have not lied about him in any way, he has little to no experience when it comes to this subject. This is why he chiseled into the walls instead of scratching the walls.

                  3) the fact he has basically been put out of work doesn’t mean he is correct.

                  4) The got rid of him cause of protesters, not all of them were Jewish Jim. So drop the “Jewish influence” bullshit. Irving was doing great as a holocaust denier, and he did it without issue. This was till he took Penguin books to court, he brought his fall onto himself.

                  5) As for you Jim, I’m not sure if that is true… I saw the Jew talking about you… But your far from a threat.

                  With all the points above mentioned Jim your not making a logical argument. Your making an Emotional one… Ethos is not evidence based so I will be like Pressac. I will understand that the holocaust happened, and I will expand my knowledge to know exactly how It happened down to the last detail.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

                • Thats what I’ve always said. This issue will never be solved. Too much emotion from both sides. People get swept up in the furvor.

                  Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 10:02 pm

                • *pathos

                  I said Ethos and this was incorrect as Jims trying to make an appeal to emotion. He should be trying to make a logos argument to defends Leuchter but logic isn’t really in his ball park. So he tried to make an emotional appeal. That would make the correct argument to be Pathos.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:19 pm

            • You said the “Germans just started learning how to run the camps ( that’s not verbatim). Love or hate em,you gotta admit the Germans were efficient as hell. It don’t add up to me. Wouldn’t they have learned how to do all that shit,before they turned the fellas loose,who ran the camps. I don’t see how any of that could be OJT.

              Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

              • Yep they were very efficient as murdering people, though Stalin did a better job in Ukraine. I have some studying into the Holodomor and I can say it makes the Holocaust look like a push over efficiency wise.

                As for the Germans being efficient, this may be true… But they never really used gas chamber for mass murder till the start of the T4 program. In which gassings hadn’t gotten mass murder wise till around 1940. Around this time Germany was preparing to invade into the Soviet Union and the Soviet were planning the same for Germany.

                After the invasion into the Soviet Union the Germans tried death squads and later equipped them with gas vans. The vans proved semi effective so Chelmnos decided to use them. While areas like Belzec and Majdanek followed the T4 program style gas chambers in which they used bottled carbon monoxide. Belzec later moved onto using a petrol engine and Treblinka and Sobibor followed. Hoess decided to experiment and Majdanek pretty much did its own thing. Maly Trostenets was ran by old members of the Einzatgrouppen so they used shootings and gassings. It’s pretty much each camp followed an example that they could get their hands on. With exception to Auschwits which experimented.

                It’s pretty much they were newly entering such things as extermination so they didn’t exactly have a centralized system of how it ran. Each camp ran independently, so they basically all just stuck with what worked for them in the end.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:10 pm

                • “Hoess decided to experiment” [with gassing methods]. May I ask the names; the ranks; qualifications; and technical expertise of the personnel that he employed to carry out these experiments. In addition, can you produce an official German document detailing these experiments and the results thereof?

                  Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 11:53 am

                • Tal, I’m still waiting on the secret police document at the moment. Am I wrong in now believing that your assertion is not evidenced?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 12:01 pm

                • Also, there are plenty of operators…. Its hard to give a thousand names… You want a book with guard testimony get “The good old days”… As I’m not willing to stalk old men to find out everything they did in their life Tal… I will provide testimony where it is needed. That’s pretty much it.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 12:10 pm

                • Here is some way out in space testimony by Flip Mueller
                  Auschwitz Crematorium 1 book I’m reading now.
                  How could I not believe these things LOL

                  Flip Flop Mueller

                  P.34-5

                  In the Auschwitz camp, I also saw that the flesh of the non-Jewish de-
                  tainees who were shot was used for various purposes. They were often shot
                  in the presence of Mengele and others, whose names I do not know, and
                  with Aumeier and Grabner present as well. Right away, the flesh of their
                  calves would be put into cans, and in this way they put aside 6–8 cans of
                  flesh each week. It sometimes happened that a delegation from Germany
                  arrived, with their swastika armbands, when Aumeier and Grabner were
                  around, asking whether there was any human flesh. Aumeier used to say:
                  ‘We could also use horse meat, but it would be a pity to waste it!’

                  P.37
                  blood.
                  It may have been June 17 or 18, 1942. On that fine sunny day every-
                  thing was hastily cleaned, ‘general cleaning’ was the order of the day. We
                  watched the excited SS people and realized that something was going on,
                  but we did not know what, we could only surmise that some visitor was ex-
                  pected. Around ten o’clock, a high-ranking SS officer appeared in the
                  door, wearing a white uniform, accompanied by two SS men – it was
                  Himmler himself.
                  He inspected everything meticulously. He saw us in the room, in which
                  the clothes and underclothes of those executed were stored. When he saw
                  those blood-stained clothes, he was surprised and asked our SS bosses why
                  there was this blood. Not satified with their answer, he became angry and
                  said sharply: ‘We need the clothes of these dirty dogs for our German peo-
                  ple! It is a waste to gas those people with their clothes on!’
                  So after this visit, the gas chambers were disguised as wash-rooms with
                  pipes and faucets, and the people had to undress before they were gassed.
                  In the summer of 1943 [1942], the ovens and chimneys of the Auschwitz
                  crematorium were gutted by a fire. The Nazi engineers rebuilt them, but
                  three months later, everything collapsed all over again. By that time, four
                  crematoria were already in operation at Birkenau. We were moved there
                  as well, as part of the Sonderkommando, into block 13 of the men’s main
                  camp B IId.
                  The work in the Auschwitz crematorium also entailed filling the urns.
                  We filled them with the ash and the dirt from the great pile and closed them
                  with metal lids, on which we embossed the names of the victims, their date
                  of birth and date of death, in accordance with the list we received from the
                  Political Department. The urns were placed into boxes, some 20 x 20 x 40
                  cm, and labelled with the address of the family. They had to pay 2000
                  crowns for such an urn. No urns, however, were sent to the families of
                  Jews.
                  Many such urns were sent to Bohemia, Moravia, and to other countries.
                  But none of them contains the ashes of the person whose name is indicated
                  on the urn.
                  When I was moved from Auschwiz to Birkenau, there was a store of
                  some 4,000 such urns.”

                  P38

                  At the time, I was 20 years old and had never seen a corpse. I stopped.
                  Stark beat us and yelled ‘Get going, damn it, take the clothes off the
                  corpses!’ There were perhaps 700 corpses there, with their clothes on,
                  children, women, men, with packages strewn about. To the right of them,
                  there were some 100 more people, with ‘SU’ on their clothes. Broken suit-
                  cases, bread, clothes were lying around, full of blood. We had to undress
                  the corpses, Stark beat us all the time. It is a dreadful job to take clothes
                  and shoes off rigid corpses. If we tore anything, Stark beat us again and
                  again.
                  Presiding Judge: Did the corpses show any wounds?
                  Müller: Yes.
                  PJ: Had they been shot?
                  M: No, they had been gassed. I was to see that later. The corpses stood
                  in front of the ventilators, tightly packed. I saw a dead child hanging from
                  the mother’s breast. There were green crystals on the floor. There was a
                  smell of almonds, or of canned heat. Even today, such a smell makes me
                  sick.

                  P39

                  After some time, the doors of the yard were opened, and some 350 Jew-
                  ish women, men and children were brought in. Grabner, Aumeier, Stark,
                  and others from the SS were present. Stark yelled, ‘Now, everyone un-
                  dress!’ Later, I saw from the clothes that they were Polish Jews. They must
                  have known that something was not right and undressed only slowly. Stark
                  and the others kept on yelling ‘Get on with it, take your clothes off!’ Stark
                  beat the people with a whip. I saw a man who wanted to take his tie off –
                  but he did not have one on. The children went to their parents, but they did
                  not cry. They were probably Jews from the ghetto.
                  Then they were all led into the gas chamber. There was only one venti-
                  lator there, and the lights were on. The door was closed and Stark ordered,
                  ‘Pick up those rags!’ Again, the gate was opened and again, 300 people
                  entered. It was the same thing once again. When the gas had been fed into
                  the chamber from the roof of the crematorium, there was heavy coughing,
                  children and adults screamed, there was chaos. After a while, things qui-
                  eted down, the coughing subsided, and we saw Stark coming down from
                  the roof with his gas mask. We had to search the clothes and to put all
                  valuables, dollars, gold, and other things into a box. Stark stood near it
                  and pocketed what he liked. At that time, May and June 1942, gassings
                  took place either before the morning roll call or after the evening roll call,
                  never during the day. […] I watched Stark at his job for something like 6
                  weeks. During this time he must have taken at least ten or eleven thousand
                  people into the gas chambers.”

                  P44
                  How many ovens were in operation? At the Auschwitz trial, the witness
                  declared: “at that time, two ovens were in operation,” but in his book he writes
                  “all six ovens were burning.”145 After the pre-heating period, the corpses were
                  introduced into the ovens – three at a time.146 About this the witness states:147
                  “For the cremation of three corpses, the big wheels had specified 20
                  minutes, and it was up to Stark to make sure that this would be accom-
                  plished”
                  He then adds that in one hour 54 corpses could be burnt in the 3 double-
                  muffle ovens, i.e., 3 corpses every twenty minutes in each muffle. We are here
                  in the realm of technological fantasy. The cremation capacity of the Ausch-
                  witz ovens was one corpse per muffle per hour, a total of 6 corpses per hour in
                  the six muffles. The witness has multiplied the capacity of the furnaces by a
                  factor of nine!
                  Müller then relates that the crematorium personnel had forgotten “to shut
                  down the ventilators of one oven”148 – which is an erroneous statement be-
                  cause each oven had only one ventilator – with the following result:148
                  “The flames had been fanned so strongly and the fire had already
                  reached an intensity such that the refractory bricks in the chimney came
                  loose and the oven burnt through, with the bricks falling into the flue that
                  linked the oven to the chimney.”
                  This is another nonsensical statement. As has been explained above, the
                  function of the blower was not to fan the fire, but to feed combustion air into
                  the muffle. Because the blower brought in cold air, if air had been fed in, the
                  result would have been the exact opposite of what the witness’ version: the
                  two muffles of the oven would have cooled to the point of extinguishing the
                  gasifier for lack of draft.
                  The “Instructions for the operation of the coke-fired Topf double-muffle
                  cremation oven” specifies, in fact, for such a case:149
                  “This temperature rise can be countered by blowing in air.”
                  Furthermore, no oven caught fire or was otherwise damaged in May–June
                  1942. Hence, Müller’s story is also false historically.

                  P48
                  n conclusion, we may say that Müller has woven into a web of actual facts
                  a dense tissue of fibs, which he has presented in a different way each time.
                  The original sin was obviously the literary pretext of justifying his being sent
                  to the crematorium as “punishment.” Then, too, his blatant lies about the gas-
                  sing of the Slovakian transport and the fire in the crematorium are literary pre-
                  texts for introducing the story of the burials, again as a “punishment.” It is no
                  accident that at the Auschwitz trial, fearing that he would be unmasked, he
                  gave up this lie and invented an entirely different story: the corpses were taken
                  to the hole (or to the holes) no longer on account of the nebulous fire (“now
                  the crematorium was, of course, no longer operational”154), but “because the
                  number of corpses increased rapidly,” i.e., because the capacity of the ovens
                  was insufficient. Because at this trial Müller made his depositions under oath,
                  he either told the truth on this occasion, and thus obviously lied in his other
                  declarations, or else he told the truth in his other declarations, and thus com-
                  mitted perjury at the Auschwitz trial. Whichever way you look at him, he remains a liar.
                  The Frankfurt tribunal did not take Müller’s account very seriously and de-
                  clared of it:
                  “The presentation of the witness Müller about the gassing of the Slova-
                  kian Jews is not very clear. Moreover, the court knows that at that time
                  gassings no longer took place in the small crematorium, but in the farm-
                  houses that had been adapted for the purpose.”
                  Summarizing, S. Jankowski and F. Müller, the only – self-styled – survi-
                  vors of the “Sonderkommando” of crematorium I, have made declarations that
                  are not only historically false and technically nonsensical, but are also mutually contradictory. In particular, one of them affirms that the alleged gas
                  chamber had 6 openings and one ventilator, the other that it had 2 openings
                  and no ventilator (or contradictorily states that it had “ventilators”).

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 12:18 pm

                • ‘Yes cause we know Auschwitz is known for having great health care!’

                  Last time I checked a good amount of the records on medical experiments were destroyed. They were also sowing children together as well the last time I checked. And you know Jim, you could save us all a bunch of time by making one complaint at a Time instead of making large ass Gish Gallops that I don’t want to invest my time into reading fully.

                  Anyway medical experiments what exactly does this prove my points wrong? Do you need documents of the experiments?

                  Letter from SS-Standartenführer Sievers to SS-Obersturmbannführer Dr. Brandt, November 2, 1942.

                  (Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Vol. XX, p. 520)

                  Dear Comarade Brandt,

                  As you know, the Reichsführer-SS has directed that SS-Hauptsturmführer Prof. Dr. Hirt be supplied with everything needed for his research work. For certain anthropological researches – I already reported to the Reichsführer-SS on them – 150 skeletons of prisoners, or rather Jews, are required, which are to be supplied by the KL Auschwitz.”

                  Rolf Mengele Speaking of his father.

                  Now make actual points and stop just quoting books acting as if they are of issue. I’m not bothering with your large walls of Text.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

                • Hay, dumb ass. Your not like Anon… you can directly reply.

                  “Nice try clickhead…… Talbot asked direct questions of you you don’t give him answers yet you want answers from us all the time and if we don’t give you the answers you deride us like we don’t know what we’re talking about. You are the one that doesn’t know what you’re talking about and it’s obvious when you try to change direction of the conversation.
                  Jeff has a nice way of doing it to.
                  You’re out of your league with this discussion of the HoloHoax topic… it’s just you don’t know it yet.
                  You’re hanging on your hanging on but your credibility is shot. You can only back up liars for so long until it catches up to you.”

                  Sorry to say Jim, I have been waiting forever on his stupid fucking evidence. It has nothing to do with my credibility… Its just your borderline retarded.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 2:05 pm

                • Also to add onto this I still haven’t had my question answered, does that make it alright for him to skip over my questions as well Jim? No cause this isn’t fucking Codoh.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 6:03 pm

                • Ah, the Talbot Method.

                  As for documentation that may not exist, or exist on-line.

                  Say, did you ever get me the maintenance schedule for the Ark Royal?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

                • Nice try clickhead…… Talbot asked direct questions of you you don’t give him answers yet you want answers from us all the time and if we don’t give you the answers you deride us like we don’t know what we’re talking about. You are the one that doesn’t know what you’re talking about and it’s obvious when you try to change direction of the conversation.
                  Jeff has a nice way of doing it to.
                  You’re out of your league with this discussion of the HoloHoax topic… it’s just you don’t know it yet.
                  You’re hanging on your hanging on but your credibility is shot. You can only back up liars for so long until it catches up to you.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 1:38 pm

                • “Nice try clickhead…… ”

                  I said that, Jim. Not Click.

                  “Talbot asked direct questions of you you don’t give him answers yet you want answers from us all the time and if we don’t give you the answers you deride us like we don’t know what we’re talking about. You are the one that doesn’t know what you’re talking about and it’s obvious when you try to change direction of the conversation.”

                  I’ve been answering Talbot’s questions for about three fucking days. Actually, a lot longer than that. Now I want answers.

                  “Jeff has a nice way of doing it to.”

                  I get tired of giving, Jim. I have needs, too.

                  “You’re out of your league with this discussion of the HoloHoax topic… it’s just you don’t know it yet.
                  You’re hanging on your hanging on but your credibility is shot. You can only back up liars for so long until it catches up to you.”

                  That’s hysterical, coming from you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 2:33 pm

                • Click is basically telling us that there is no evidence to back up the claim that Commandant Hoess carried out experiments into various gassing methods at Auschwitz. The only source for this assertion is the confessions of the poor man himself, after he had been beaten up, threatened, plied with alcohol, and deprived of sleep by the jabbing of thin sharp sticks into his face.

                  Well if our holocaust friends are happy with this kind of evidence – then good luck to them. But there is no reason for the rest of us to believe all this nonsense.

                  Plus the fact – doesn’t it sound absolutely ridiculous that a camp commandant with no expertise whatsoever in chemical and gas technology should be charged with such a task by his superiors. Wouldn’t the commandant of a major complex of wartime concentration and labour camps have over a hundred-and-one other things to attend to, rather than hunting around blindly, trying to find the most expedient way of putting hundreds of thousands of people to death? Would you not think that methods of killing would have been planned and experimented with in advance by a team of technical expert assembled by the SS headquarters in Berlin.

                  We must remember, that Hoess wasn’t just responsible for Auschwitz 1 and Birkenau, but Monowitz and up to 30 sub-camps as well – and yet we are told he found the time to go on excursions to Treblinka and Chelmno to view their extermination methods – Bah!

                  Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 1:29 pm

                • “Click is basically telling us that there is no evidence to back up the claim that Commandant Hoess carried out experiments into various gassing methods at Auschwitz.”

                  Umm… No you want evidence of that then you can read the hoess memoirs…. And I never said he carried out “Various experiments”. Is you again read my point, hoess had an example to go off. Hoess experimented by using Zyklon in block 11. My point was that you still need to provide evidence for R.R. to have been forced into writing his stories by the Polish police. Its your evidence is just what you make up as you go along.

                  “In the fall of 1941 a special secret order was issued to the POW camps by which the Russian politruks, commissars, and other political functionaries were selected by the Gestapo and moved to the nearest concentration camp to be killed. Small transports of this kind were continuously arriving at Auschwitz. They were shot in the gravel pits at the Monopol Factory or in the courtyard of Block II. While I was away on camp-related business, Captain Fritzsch, on his own initiative, employed a gas for the killing of”

                  Block 11 had chemical test done on it later and the results were published in the Krakow report. They found traces of cyanide.

                  ” The only source for this assertion is the confessions of the poor man himself, after he had been beaten up, threatened, plied with alcohol, and deprived of sleep by the jabbing of thin sharp sticks into his face. ”

                  And the only evidence of this torture was the Memoir in which he wrote it.

                  He never claimed he got stabbed in the face at all Tal, so this is your wild imagination.

                  “If the prosecutor’s office had not intervened, they would have finished me off, most of all mentally and emotionally. They almost had me at the breaking point. This was not feeble hysteria. I was almost totally finished at that time, and I can stand quite a bit. Life had often enough been hard for me, but the psychological torture of these three satans was too much. I was not the only one who was mistreated like this. They also badly mistreated a few of the Polish prisoners. They have long since left this position and it is gratifyingly quiet.”

                  He was beat though, but all torture by the English after his capture was physiological. This doe not initial being stabbed in the face…

                  “Well if our holocaust friends are happy with this kind of evidence – then good luck to them. But there is no reason for the rest of us to believe all this nonsense.”

                  I haven’t used the Hoess confession at all… I corrected you once when you quoted it, but the confession isn’t really evidence In my book. This is putting words in our mouth Tal, and I don’t believe Jeff has used it ether. In fact he admits to the fact Hoess was tortured. This is an irrelevant point and his Memoir corrects quite a lot. Like when he corrects his testimonial total, as an example here you go.

                  “I myself never knew the total number, and I have nothing to help me arrive at an estimate.

                  I can only remember the figures involved in the larger actions, which were repeated to me by Eichmann or his deputies.

                  From Upper Silesia and the General Gouvernement ..250,000
                  Germany and Theresienstadt …………………..100,000
                  Holland ……………………………………95,000
                  Belgium ……………………………………20,000 France……………………………………..110,000
                  Greece ……………………………………..65,000 Hungary……………………………………..400,000
                  Slovakia ……………………………………..90,000
                  [Total 1,130,000]31

                  I can no longer remember the figures for the smaller actions, but they were insignificant by comparison with the numbers given above.32

                  I regard a total of 2.5 million as far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive capabilities.”

                  While its alright to demand evidence from me you also have to present evidence yourself Tal.

                  “Plus the fact – doesn’t it sound absolutely ridiculous that a camp commandant with no expertise whatsoever in chemical and gas technology should be charged with such a task by his superiors. ”

                  No…I could use the same logic do deny the Holodomor…. Does it make sense that Stalin would entrust generals with no study in human biology?

                  The question yes is idiotic, but it was created with the purpose of being so. Its so you understand how bad your claim here is. People who put a simple thought into anything will understand that Zyklon is a Cyanide and that Cyanide kills people more effectively then it kills bugs. This is why Hoess did tests… he learned the most effective ways to utilize it and worked from there. He learned a good amount which would be used to kill people which according to pressac is 300 ppm. Its called experimenting… As I have already explained.

                  ” Wouldn’t the commandant of a major complex of wartime concentration and labour camps have over a hundred-and-one other things to attend to, rather than hunting around blindly, trying to find the most expedient way of putting hundreds of thousands of people to death? ”

                  Issues in a system doesn’t mean it couldn’t work Tal… Just cause a commandant has little experience in a matter doesn’t mean they can’t learn a thing or two. Hoess went to Treblinka and then expanded off from he learned from there. As well its called “bureaucracy”…. He didn’t have to run everything directly just like how Hitler didn’t have to command every last unit in his army during the war.

                  “Would you not think that methods of killing would have been planned and experimented with in advance by a team of technical expert assembled by the SS headquarters in Berlin.”

                  No cause when Hitler had a program of mass murder in Germany the people got pissed. LEARN FROM T4…. Its exactly why we don’t see the Hitler order.

                  “We must remember, that Hoess wasn’t just responsible for Auschwitz 1 and Birkenau, but Monowitz and up to 30 sub-camps as well – and yet we are told he found the time to go on excursions to Treblinka and Chelmno to view their extermination methods – Bah!”

                  Its called “bureaucracy”…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 2:00 pm

                • I was first introduced to the lying old monkey, Flip Mueller, when he appeared on Claude Lanzmann’s lengthy TV documentary film “Shoa”. Back then, I believed what he was telling us, because I thought Lanzmann was an honourable and truthful documentary-maker, and I never imagined for a single moment that holocaust survivors would dream of telling a pack of lies about something so dreadful as this event.

                  But the news media as a whole played a big part in establishing Lanzmann’s credibility – they were all hailing his nine-and-a-half-long presentation as an “epic” and a “masterpiece”. The clincher though, was the BBC – who back then was regarded by nearly everyone as a prestigious broadcasting organisation, and they craftily put it on their second channel – BBC2 – which again, back during those years, was looked upon as the very pinnacle of truth and integrity. If a documentary or a show appeared on BBC2, then it had been authenticated 100% by the Almighty himself!

                  Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 2:00 pm

                • Tal… nice story… but personal experience is not anything which proves the event wrong….

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

                • Instead of all this waffle, Click – could you not have simply replied “I don’t know” to my first question:- ” May I ask the names; the ranks; qualifications; and technical expertise of the personnel that he [Hoess] employed to carry out these experiments”.

                  And could you not have replied “no, I can’t” to my second question;- ” In addition, can you produce an official German document detailing these experiments and the results thereof.”

                  Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

                • Tal, I don’t plan to track down to find out what early on life the guards did in their life. That’s not saying “I don’t know”…

                  I can provide names of operators… That’s an easy thing to do… Finding out what schooling they went through before the SS isn’t. An operator that did take part was Hans Stark and his rank was Untersturmführer. His Qualifications, are not given. He did take part in the Block 11 gassing though. His testimony can be found on page 245 of The Good Old Days. On 255 he described the gassing.

                  “At another, later gassing — also in autumn 1941 — Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B — as already mentioned — was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.”

                  I’m sure you have seen this testimony before, ends up I was wrong on which gas chamber it was.

                  Maximilian Grabner Also took part in the block 11 gassing. His rank was Gestapo Chief of block 11. He gave orders to Hans to drop the Zyklon into the gas chamber. His credentials for knowing what he was doing is not there, though he had a good amount of experience with torture. He was used just as Hans was to do the testing which happened in Block 11.

                  I see no reason to expand… I got all this information from “The good old days”… The Exact book I recommend for your question.

                  Now answer my request for a document.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 3:21 pm

                • You wrote: “An operator that did take part was Hans Stark and his rank was Untersturmführer. His Qualifications, are not given. He did take part in the Block 11 gassing though. His testimony can be found on page 245 of The Good Old Days. On 255 he described the gassing.”

                  I wrote about the testimony of Hans Stark on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08A.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 27, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

                • You wrote: “Maximilian Grabner Also took part in the block 11 gassing.”

                  I wrote about Block 11 at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz06A.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 27, 2016 @ 4:23 pm

                • Alright, Ill give it a look FG.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 4:42 pm

                • Actually It may be Krema 1, I take back what I said about page 255. As it reads “at another, later gassing”.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 4:40 pm

                • Click – are you absolutely certain that gassings took place in Block 11 in the Auschwitz main camp during the autumn of 1941. Are there any precise dates in which this allegedly took place? The technical description of the chamber itself is meagre, and what type of openings through which the Zyklon B pellets were poured is not explained.

                  With 200 to 250 souls crammed into this chamber, there must have been some kind of ventilation system installed in order to distribute the gas evenly throughout the chamber and then clear the gas out afterwards. The text claims just 10 to 15 minutes was required before the door could be opened – wow!

                  I also query the rank of this Maximillian Grabner character – he must have had an SS rank, but he is described as the Gestapo Chief of Block 11, which could be merely a nickname that the inmates gave to an unpopular SS guard.

                  But to sum up, Click, I don’t believe there were any gassings in Block 11, nor within the entire Auschwitz/Birkenau complex. We need proper physical evidence of mass killings, not just untested statements of former inmates and guards plus dodgy documents which may well have been forged or “doctored” by Soviet and Polish intelligence units.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

                • You wrote: ” I don’t believe there were any gassings in Block 11,”

                  I believe that you are correct. I wrote about Block 11 on my website at

                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz06B.html

                  Allegedly, the first testing of a gas chamber took place in Cell No. 27 in Block 11. I don’t believe that this happened.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 27, 2016 @ 4:38 pm

                • “are you absolutely certain that gassings took place in Block 11 in the Auschwitz main camp during the autumn of 1941. Are there any precise dates in which this allegedly took place? ”

                  The evidence points to such Tal… Some deniers say that it was deloused once but THHP handled this a long time ago. The Exposure of Cyanide was found by the Krakow report. Its pretty simple. Rudolf has nothing going for him in this situation.

                  As for the needed date, I hardly see why this is needed… The documentation that exist is the hoess memoir. The date given was based off memory, so I don’t exactly blame them for not knowing the exact date.

                  “The technical description of the chamber itself is meagre, and what type of openings through which the Zyklon B pellets were poured is not explained.”

                  It was a make shift room, and wasn’t exactly a room designed to be a permanent gas chamber.The Technical detail is very very simple… Its just a room with a hole in the roof, and ventilation was most likely that it just aired out. Block 11 was a building of torture chambers. Also mind that 200 to 250 is an estimate from a long time after the war It could have been smaller. As for the 10 t0 15 minute estimate being incorrect maybe you should do some reading on Zyklon.

                  “This paper and the 1941 paper by Peters and Rasch contrast with the 1933 monograph by Peters in that they studied the speed of evaporation of HCN at lower temperatures. At lower temperatures the rate of evaporation slows, but both of these latter studies show that it does not slow so much as to make delousing impractical. ”

                  http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/works/irmscher-1942/

                  And again Tal, What you believe doesn’t matter when it comes to Historical issues…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 4:40 pm

                • You wrote: “Click – are you absolutely certain that gassings took place in Block 11 in the Auschwitz main camp during the autumn of 1941. Are there any precise dates in which this allegedly took place? The technical description of the chamber itself is meagre, and what type of openings through which the Zyklon B pellets were poured is not explained.”

                  The precise date of the first gassing was allegedly Sept. 3, 1941. The Zyklon-B gas pellets were thrown into the room through the door and the door was quickly shut. The room was air tight because the one window in the room had been sealed with dirt.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 27, 2016 @ 4:49 pm

                • FG writes;- “The precise date of the first gassing was allegedly Sept. 3, 1941. The Zyklon-B gas pellets were thrown into the room through the door and the door was quickly shut. The room was air tight because the one window in the room had been sealed with dirt.”

                  Oh no! – has the holocaust finally degenerated to this level, whereby the proponents are telling us that a room was made airtight by filling up a window-well with tons of earth, and then throwing poison pellets in through the open door and shutting it quickly. Are they really expecting us to believe that?!! – but it would seem that the answer is yes, because they have no shame at all in publicly declaring such nonsense to the world – and even allowing tourists to wander round and gawp at the location where it is alleged to have happened.

                  With all this gassing going on at Auschwitz, it truly is a wonder that anyone survived at all – including the SS guards. Because we are now told, that in addition to Krema 1, there was this gas chamber in Block 11, plus gas vans which were driving about here, there and everywhere. Meanwhile, at Birkenau, they had four Kremas working day and night inside the camp; plus two more gas chambers outside the perimeter fence, which were quaintly named “The Little Red House” and “The Little White House”. But that’s not all – there was more gassing taking place in the various fumigation chambers where Zyklon B was constantly being used for delousing purposes.

                  So in such an environment of multiple gassings, it is more than possible that the SS personnel on their daily rounds could inadvertently, or accidently, stumble into a facility which was being used for gassing purposes, and consequently be gassed themselves!

                  Comment by Talbot — June 27, 2016 @ 8:32 pm

                • “Oh no! – has the holocaust finally degenerated to this level, whereby the proponents are telling us that a room was made airtight by filling up a window-well with tons of earth, and then throwing poison pellets in through the open door and shutting it quickly.”

                  Has any of the testimony I have provided say this? Well Tal?

                  “Are they really expecting us to believe that?!! – but it would seem that the answer is yes, because they have no shame at all in publicly declaring such nonsense to the world – and even allowing tourists to wander round and gawp at the location where it is alleged to have happened.”

                  Tal, your hearing this from FG… You have heard testimony which described a different method. I am not sure if FG’s claim of how the room was created to be air tight has any value at all… A source would be needed.

                  Also read the testimony I provided Tal. Compare it with what FG has said. Here is a bit more from Hans Stark.

                  “On one occasion I took an active part in an execution. This was in the Autumn of 1941 in the yard of Block 11. At that time some twenty to thirty Russian Commissars had been delivered by the Gestapo regional headquarters in Kattowitz (Katowice). Grabner, Palitsch and, if I remember correctly, a Blockführer from Block 11 and I took them to the execution yard. The two rifles were already in Block 11. The Russian Commissars were wearing Russian army uniforms — there was nothing that particularly distinguished them as Commissars. Who had established they were Commissars I do not know, but I assume that this was done by the Gestapo in Kattowitz, as many of their officials attended the execution as observers. I do not know whether or not these Commissars were sentenced to death in a regular fashion. I do not think so, for in my opinion Russian Commissars were executed by firing-squad almost without exception. The Russians were killed in pairs in the yard of the block while the others awaited their execution in the corridor of block 11. Grabner, Palitsch, the above-mentioned Blockführer and I took it in turns to shoot these twenty to thirty Commissars one after the other. Their bodies were piled up in a corner of the yard by prisoners from the bunker, if I remember correctly, and put into chests. Two bodies were put in one chest. These chests were taken to the small crematorium in a farm cart drawn by prisoners. I no longer know exactly how many of them I actually shot myself”

                  As well Mattogno makes no mention of this “Dirt” used to block out the window.

                  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p193_mattogno.html

                  Heart gives no mention of this dirt covering.

                  http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/auschwitzgaschambers.html

                  I could go on, but there is no reason to take what she has said as fact. It also happened In the basement of Block 11… I am not sure if any of these rooms have or had a window in them. I plan to make a trip some time to visit auschwitz.

                  According to FG her site says the following.

                  “The tour guide told me that the room was sealed by packing dirt into the concrete well around the window outside; then the prisoners were shoved inside, Zyklon-B crystals were thrown in through the door, and the door was quickly shut.”

                  I’m not arguing any of the other portions as they are beside the point of block 11.

                  A portion of it doesn’t seem correct based off from what Hans Frank has posted…But see how she is getting this information about the window from a tour guide and not a person who worked with Block 11… Ill try to find where they got the claim of the dirt… But I haven’t seen it before.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 8:54 pm

                • You wrote: “Compare it with what FG has said. Here is a bit more from Hans Stark.

                  “On one occasion I took an active part in an execution. This was in the Autumn of 1941 in the yard of Block 11.”

                  I wrote about the Soviet prisoners who were executed in the courtyard of Block 11: Compare it with what FG has said. Here is a bit more from Hans Stark.

                  “On one occasion I took an active part in an execution. This was in the Autumn of 1941 in the yard of Block 11.”

                  I wrote about the execution of prisoners in the courtyard of Block 11 here: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz05.html
                  The page of my website, which I have cited above, was written before I became a Holocaust denier, so it is completely kosher.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 7:34 am

                • Also lets ponder the changes of this, if dirt was used to block the window, would this be a shock? The make shift chamber was below surface level… So if earth was used to block the window, were most likely going to see it mounded up against the window.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:06 pm

                • Alright, just finished reading Mattognos essay, he gives no real issue with the window. His quotes do mention soil barring the window, but again this is why I said to entertain the idea. I know of no witnesses which claim soil was pushed up against this window. It seems only the Soviet commission claimed the window was blocked by soil. What exactly was done about the window is up to debate, but I’m going to keep reading around.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:29 pm

                • You wrote: “I know of no witnesses which claim soil was pushed up against this window.”

                  The soil was not pushed up AGAINST the window. The window was in a “window well” so the window glass was underground. IMHO, no German person would have put dirt into a window well to seal it.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 7:09 am

                • Windows don’t have to have glass Fg… and nor did I exactly mention glass. The dirt would have held up against the Barring that exists FG.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 9:04 am

                • You Holohuxsters have all the answers….LOL

                  Holohoax summed up long but worth the read…..

                  From Lectures on the Holocaust Germar Rudolph

                  P. 207-210

                  3.4.2. Mass Murder Scenes R: There are basically two ways of getting a picture of what happened in Auschwitz. You can either go to original sources and read and analyze the thousands of documents and statements by witnesses, or else you can reach for a book published by the institution that claims to be the ultimate authority on the subject. That is the Polish State Museum at Auschwitz. Needless to say, almost everyone chooses the latter method. Who has the time and resources for the former? For this reason, I would like to briefly summarize the literature published by the Auschwitz State Museum. I would like to briefly describe the museum’s official history of Auschwitz and its presentation of the alleged extermination process. It goes like this: In the summer of 1941, Camp Commandant Höß receives oral orders to get the camp ready to exterminate Jews. Early in September 1941, in the cellar of a building in the main camp, there is an experimental gassing of several hundred Soviet POWs using the cyanide based pesticide Zyklon B In the following weeks the morgue of the crematory in the main camp is converted into a homicidal gas chamber. The conversion consists of knocking holes in the concrete roof so that Zyklon B can be dumped into the room below. This gas chamber begins operation around the end of 1941 and is in use until early 1943 (see the plans of this crematory in Ill. 71, p. 252). The “selection” of victims is performed next to the railroad tracks in front of the main camp. Those prisoners who are able to work are accepted in the camp, while those unable to work are sent directly to “gas chambers.” The bodies of the victims are then cremated in the room next to the gas chamber, which originally contained two double-muffle crematory ovens (later there were three.) In the first half of 1942, two old farmhouses outside the Birkenau camp are converted to gas chambers. These are called “Bunker 1” and “Bunker 2” or sometimes “Red House” and “White House.” These continue in operation until the beginning of 1943. With the deportation of the Hungarian Jews in May 1944, one of these farmhouses (Bunker 2) is reactivated as a homicidal facility. The victims of these Bunkers are cremated over wood fires in trenches that are several meters deep. Melted human fat is retrieved with large ladles and used as fuel for the fires. In the summer of 1942 planning begins for four new crematories in Birkenau, built as two pairs with mirror like symmetry. Two of these have underground morgues, one of which is used as an undressing room and the other as a gas chamber. In addition each has an oven room equipped with five triple-muffle ovens, making a total of 15 muffles (see crematories II and III, Ill. 62f., p. 242). The other two crematories (no. IV and V474) both have a mortuary above ground and an oven room with an eight-muffle oven, as well as three smaller rooms used as “gas chambers.” These crematories go into operation one after the other between March and June 1943. Crematories IV and V quickly fall out of operation because of defective construction. Crematory IV is never repaired, Crematory V very late in the war. The ovens of Crematories II and III remain in operation, with interruptions, until the end of 1944. In the underground gas chambers of Crematories II and III, just as in the crematory in the main camp, Zyklon B is dumped through openings, which were chiseled through the reinforced concrete roof after construction was completed. The gas chambers of Crematories IV and V, which are above ground, have small hatches in the walls through which the pesticide is introduced. The only gas chambers provided with ventilation are those in Crematories I, II, and III. Thus the poison gas cannot be forced out of the gas chambers in Crematories IV or V or the two farm houses. One has to rely solely on the natural ventilation through opened doors and hatches. L: I beg your pardon? R: One moment please. Let me first finish my overview. Until May 1944, victim selection takes place at the railroad tracks of the main camp, but after that on the new ramp built at Birkenau. Those selected for gassing are told that for hygienic reasons they have to shower and have their clothes deloused. The victims disrobe, partly in special buildings or rooms and partly in the open. Sometimes they are given soap and towels. Then they are directed into the gas chambers, some of which are equipped with phony shower heads in order to trick the victims. After the doors are sealed, pesticide is thrown into the chamber in quantities sufficient to kill insects. A few minutes later, everybody is dead. After about a quarter hour the doors are opened and the so-called Sonderkommandos (prisoner special unit) begin the task of removing the corpses from the gas chamber. Sometimes they wear gas masks, sometimes they don’t. They harvest hair from the corpses and extract gold teeth. Then they drag the corpses to the crematory ovens or incineration trenches. The ovens are stuffed chock full of bodies, up to eight in a single muffle. Flames and thick black smoke shoot out of the crematory chimneys and huge incineration trenches. The entire area is blanketed in smoke and the hellish stench of burning flesh. At least 10,000 Jews are murdered every day between May and September 1944. Most of the resulting corpses are burned in open trenches. L: How many victims are supposed to have been crammed in these alleged gas chambers at a time? R: The witnesses do not agree on this. For the underground morgues no. 1 of the crematories II and III, which had a surface area of roughly 210 m² (2,260 sq ft), at least 1,000 victims are said to have been executed at a time. Other witnesses speak of 2,000 or even up to 3,000 victims. L: That is between ½ and 1½ persons on every square foot. How can you get up to three people to stand on two square feet? They must have squeezed themselves together quite extremely? R: That is quite a logistic problem, indeed. Just imagine the following scene: 1,000 people of both sexes plus children enter the undressing room with a surface area of 390 m2 (4,200 ft2). Each one would therefore have an area of only 60 cm × 60 cm (2×2 ft) on which to undress. Experience shows that people do not pack themselves tightly to the very edge of an enclosed area, unless, of course, they are quite willing to do so, like when they enter a bus and need to fill it tightly, so that other passengers can still get in. L: Not even that works most of the times. People simply won’t scoot over to make room for others unless they are informed of what they need to do and then are also willing to comply. And that is particularly true if they are told to undress completely in front of hundreds of strangers of both sexes. That would never work. R: Correct. Actually, in order to get people to enter through just one door in a long, stretched out room and to fill it tightly to the last place, the procedure must be rehearsed. Once inside the naked people walk over into alleged gas chamber, the same problem occurs again. Here the victims must press themselves even more tightly together, since that room was even smaller. The first people entering the room must proceed to the very end of this 100 ft long room in a disciplined manner and line up against the wall. The next lot will form the line directly in front, and so on, until the entire chamber is full. Even if choreographed perfectly, this would still take at least half an hour. L: So how did they get these 1,000 naked people to pack themselves tightly together, touching other completely naked strangers? R: I do not know, but it would have required the drill and discipline that you can instill only in soldiers after weeks of exercising, provided they are dressed. I don’t know if that would still work if you had those soldiers line up naked, particularly if there are female soldiers present as well. L: Well, that is ridiculous. After all, under such circumstances, the alleged claim by the SS that their victims are going to have a shower in that room would convince nobody. How do you take a shower when your neighbors step on your feet and you can hardly turn around, not to mention bend down to wash yourself? R: You have revealed this absurdity quite well. So even before going into technical and documentary details, you can already see that the claims made about those alleged homicidal gassings are fishy already on pure logistical grounds. In closing this brief overview of the alleged murder scenarios, it should also be mentioned that the first report about the alleged murder methods used in Auschwitz as reported by Boris Polevoy, a Soviet propagandist writing for the Soviet newspaper Pravda, differed quite distinctly from what was suggested otherwise: “Last year, when the Red Army revealed to the world the terrible and abominable secrets of Majdanek, the Germans in Auschwitz began to wipe out the traces of their crimes. They leveled the mounds of the so-called ‘old’ graves in the eastern part of the camp, tore up and destroyed the traces of the electric conveyor belt, on which hundreds of people were simultaneously electrocuted, their bodies falling onto the slow moving conveyor belt which carried them to the top of the blast furnace where they fell in, were completely burned, their bones converted to meal in the rolling mills, and then sent to the surrounding fields.” R: The story about the conveyor belt electrocution with subsequent incineration in blast furnaces was, of course, nothing but Soviet atrocity propaganda with no foundation in reality. It quickly ended up in the trash bins of history and was replaced with something more “credible,” which had been claimed since 1942: gas chambers. Just how credible these gas chamber allegations are will be investigated in the next chapters of the book….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 9:10 am

                • You wrote: “soil was pushed up against the window”

                  I took a tour of the Auschwitz many years ago, and we were taken to see the underground prison cells. The windows, that we are discussing, were windows to let some light into the cells.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 8:09 am

                • The window we are also speaking of is on ground level as well… It also seems that the windows again may have been sealed with other materials.

                  “1st day: All the bunks from Block 11 are carried to the garret. The prisoners who are billeted in Block 11, i.e. the “quarantine” and penal companies, and all inmates of the Bunker[12] cells (the whole basement of Block 11) are transferred to another block. Material for sealing doors and windows inside the bunker and soil for filling up the windows from outside is brought to Block 11.”

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/dr-joachim-neander-responds-to-carlo.html

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 9:11 am

                • Tal before responding give me a minute to do a bit of math.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:35 pm

                • It’s looking like that his testimony of the Block 11 gassing is on page 255. That would mean the quote provided by me was crematorium 1. For sure, and no doubt there. And it seems I searched for the wrong wording in the sites I searched, it seems that Heart states there was also and Earth covering. I’m going to look out for more description on this covering.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:42 pm

                • You wrote: “Heart [website] states there was also and [an] Earth covering.”

                  There was no “earth covering” over the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp. Earth was piled AGAINST THE OUTSIDE WALLS of the gas chamber, but not over the roof.

                  I have photos of the earth piled up against the walls on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz07.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 7:54 am

                • FG, They are using Earth in the same manner you use soil. As already explained the issue is block 11… and Already explained the Testimony was from Krema 1

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 9:06 am

                • It’s seeming that soil wasn’t the only thing sealing the window. HC has a rebuttal to Mattogno on their website and it appears the gas was held in by more then just dirt Tal.

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/dr-joachim-neander-responds-to-carlo.html?m=1

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:49 pm

                • Tal I would disregard my block 11 post, just ignore them. Except the HC link one.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:54 pm

                • OK, Click, thanks for trying to find some verification for the Block 11 claims – we’ll probably have to leave the question open for now.

                  It is interesting though, that FG does specify an actual date for this “first gassing”, which may suggest that some kind of event did happen on that day.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 28, 2016 @ 5:16 am

                • You wrote: “It is interesting though, that FG does specify an actual date for this “first gassing”, which may suggest that some kind of event did happen on that day.”

                  The event that happened on that day was probably that the room was disinfected to kill lice. One thing that you must remember is that the German people are obsessively clean. They were obsessed with killing lice.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 8:02 am

                • You have to be a block head to think that inmates were gassed in those rooms in Block 11 …..
                  Not possible with the design layout of the rooms etc…but what the hell the Holohuxsters can make an execution work anywhere by saying it happened there. Why not,…. all the “witnesses” said it happened right? The HoloHoax hapened because it happened…..makes sense to me…LOL
                  I just finished reading Auschwitz Crematorium 1 small 100 page book by Carlo Mottogno, I’ve been reading all the main revisionist books then all from the Holocaust handbooks series… what it told me was this…..boy do we have a lot of liars out there. This is called how to torture prisoners of war to get them to say what you want them to say, even though none of it makes sense logically.
                  The testimony from all the cast of characters sure does stretch my patience with all their contradictions and misdirection, and outright lies.
                  If this had to go to court and be tried by a jury of common sense and not Jew controled…you definitely would have to see nothing happened in this building, maybe a few spankings or beat on the head, kick in the ass, hurt feelings but definitely NO gassings! Unless the main meal that night was Jalapeno beans, and yes what could be worse than that. A little almond smell from Cyanide would be most welcomed…..

                  Lets learn more truths…..
                  IHR.ORG
                  VHO.ORG
                  CCFIILE.COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 8:25 am

                • Its not only the “gassings” in Block 11 which are a bald-faced-lie, but I suspect the so-called “execution wall” that stands outside it is also a fabrication. The wall itself was there alright during the time the camp was open, because aerial photos from 1944 are proof. But the wall is not high enough for safe executions by shootings – stray bullets could go flying over the top of it and hit a poor old Polish gentleman in the arse as he was walking along the public highway just a few yards away at the back of the wall.

                  No – this area was the exercise yard for the neighbouring penal block – Block 11; and that is why there are walls at either end of it, so that inmates cannot escape into the rest of the camp area. All the executions took place on the other side of Block 11, in a former gravel pit. Further Glory has even written about this site in a blog, and provides a photo of the area with a memorial to some Polish Catholic priests who were allegedly executed there.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 28, 2016 @ 9:14 am

                • Tal, Im not arguing the black wall…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 9:17 am

                • “Its not only the “gassings” in Block 11 which are a bald-faced-lie,”

                  Another Talbot pronouncement.

                  It fascinates me how you can say such things…but have no evidence otherwise.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 10:25 am

                • Really Jeff….I have to prove nothing happened in block 11….hmmmm…little off the wall wouldn’t you say?
                  Actually nothing happened hows that?

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 11:06 am

                • “Really Jeff….I have to prove nothing happened in block 11….hmmmm…little off the wall wouldn’t you say?
                  Actually nothing happened hows that?”

                  How’s this, Jim?

                  So far you can’t prove anything that deniers say is true, so, real history wins.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 11:29 am

                • Again Jeff throws everyone off the trail…..WE don’t have to prove anything you do, but thanks for asking.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 11:42 am

                • “Again Jeff throws everyone off the trail…..WE don’t have to prove anything you do, but thanks for asking.”

                  Yes, you do, Jim.

                  The fact that you can’t says a lot.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 11:54 am

                • You wrote: “So far you can’t prove anything that deniers say is true, so, real history wins.”

                  Real History is the title of David Irving’s website. http://www.fpp.co.uk/

                  David Irving was a Holocaust denier until he went over to the other side to save his career as a writer of history.

                  I have a whole section on my website about Block 11:

                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz06.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 11:42 am

                • Kindly tell us Jeff, the names of the people who were gassed inside Block 11 at Auschwitz.

                  I suspect you haven’t got a clue – despite all the mountains of dodgy documents that you are able to produce.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 28, 2016 @ 10:49 am

                • “Kindly tell us Jeff, the names of the people who were gassed inside Block 11 at Auschwitz.

                  I suspect you haven’t got a clue – despite all the mountains of dodgy documents that you are able to produce.”

                  Pray tell, Talbot. Do you have the maintenance schedule for the Arc Royal R09?

                  Fascinating. “Dodgy.”
                  Yet, I have documents so I prove what I say.
                  You haven’t produced anything.
                  Why?

                  See, you can question my documents, Talbot. Your silly objections don’t mean anything if you can’t give refuting evidence.

                  Real history wins. Again.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 10:54 am

                • I’m not Jeff, as for names gassed in block 11?

                  Fritz Renner and Bruno Grosmann…. Their names are also given inside the HC link I gave Tal.

                  “in an attempt to answer to a demand frequently made by Revisionists: “Show me one name, one single name, with proof that a person was gassed at Auschwitz.” I presented two names, Fritz Renner and Bruno Grosmann, both from Breslau, (at that time) Germany, and gave evidence that both prisoners died on September 5, 1941, by gassing in the basement of Block 11 (at that time, Block 13).”

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/dr-joachim-neander-responds-to-carlo.html

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 11:03 am

                • Also I’m not Jeff…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 11:03 am

                • The HC site says;- “That two German prisoners were in the Bunker during the Aktion was something extraordinary, worth remembering for a German Kapo. And who else could they have been than Renner and Grosmann, registered in the Bunker ledger on that very day. ”

                  No proof whatsoever they that were gassed. Mere speculation at best. They could have been prisoner workers carrying out a de-infestation project in the bunker for all we know. And then again, what were the names of all the others? Were they adults, children, male, female? How many of them in total were there? What nationality were they – and where were they brought from?

                  Comment by Talbot — June 28, 2016 @ 11:37 am

                • They are Soviet POW Tal… What do you think?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

                • There were also Polish prisoners.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

                • True.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 12:55 pm

                • Good news…..No Jews were killed in Homicidal gas chambers…..
                  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n4p24_Faurisson.html

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 1:17 pm

        • Then what was the list for? I’m just asking because seems like they kept a good listing of prisoners here

          Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 9:41 pm

          • If I’m correct he got the listing off the Korherr report, which was a report made to keep track of the final solution, meaning head count of the people sent to places like Auschwits & Belzec. The Germans while they may have held onto records of the numbers entering the camp, how meant did they record leaving? We don’t have any records of Large amounts of Jews being sent to Russia. We have transfers for areas like Treblinka and Sobibor to other camps, but the people transferred still say the camps were death camps, the same it true for Belzec. Look up Jules Schelvis, he’s a historian whom was transferred from Sobibor. Or as Jim would put it “Transited” even if Jules helped operate with the camp a bit for a few hours. He went into the camp and was later sent to another camp for work. There was no wiggle room into Russia.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 9:59 pm

            • Okay. That was broken down,to where I can understand that topic

              Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 10:09 pm

              • Alright, by the way. Via the mentioning of a list, were you talking about Jeffs or were you talking about my complaints about Leuchter and Jims poor Pathos arguments?

                Which reminds me I should make a correction, cause I said ethos in my listing!

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:16 pm

                • To be honest,I can’t say what list was who’s . This is starting to remind me of “Black Friday ” at Walmart . So many Christmas specials,that you can’t keep up with them. This reminds me of George Carlin explaing,that if there is a God,why he could only be a guy. In a nutshell he said,” take a look at how f–ked up the world is. God has to be a guy,because if God was a woman, there’s no way hell,the world would even come close ,to bring this f–ked up”. I’m getting so confused here,that the discussion here,is something along the lines of what Carlin said. You and FG seem to be the only ones holding it together. I’m don’t have much to contribute to these battle of wits,since my knowledge is still limited here,but I a guy so I’ve got to throw myself in with the rest of the guys . You and FG still bring a sense of order to this chaos .

                  Comment by Tim — June 27, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

                • “This is starting to remind me of “Black Friday ” at Walmart .”

                  I wouldn’t be shocked, as I made a list response to Jim on Leuchter.

                  And I love George Carlin! His stand up on Religion was pretty good.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 5:12 pm

              • Alright I just checked and I see now what you were talking about. So yah just to give a bit more on it, as a way to expand.

                There are no reports at all that prove Treblinka or Sobibor to be a transit camp. There are no reports such as deportation records in which the 250,000 recorded people to wind up at Sobibor to be sent to Russia. In fact I don’t know of any at all saying that entire trains were transited at all ether. Though this would be quite interesting to see if Jim or FG could provide any. This evidence must exist outside Eric Hunt style transfer testimonys, so we don’t need to hear the good old “tens of thousands claim transit through Treblinka” lie.

                Anyway just thought this might make things 100% clear that documentation of transit do not exist. Though the Höfle telegram does, and it only shows people entering the death camps in 1942, not leaving.

                If you don’t know this document then here is a page that has it, and teaches you how to read it.

                https://www.sobiborinterviews.nl/en/victims/hoefle-telegram

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 11:03 pm

            • So what do you say to the people that say that Treblinka wasn’t a death camp now we have a problem don’t we.
              Some people that have given thumbs up in the camps even though the camps went the greatest place to be they still admit that they went death camps.
              Steven Spielberg interviewed 50, 000 people for his Horror Disneyland movie some people said that there were no death camps and the others LIE like yourselves and say that say there were, but he doesn’t put them in the film because why spoil the fun.
              This is call Selective journalism…. yellow journalism.
              You just put what you want to put it in and make your point but you don’t care about the facts and that’s how most of the HoloHoax is when they deal with the topic they have an agenda that agenda is to show death and Carnage anything that can prove that point whether truthful or not lies, forged documents, you name it, they will use it but when people speak truthfully it won’t have anything to do with you.
              You have to give it to the whole hucksters they definitely got a good game going on here.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 5:06 am

              • We’re not here to talk about Treblinka Jim, were here to talk about Chelmno.

                Also Transfers are not Transits Jim, Read what I told Tim on the subject of Eric Hunts idiotic play with survivors. This is a case for another day.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 5:15 am

                • Jim stop linking your idiotic sites calling them truth.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 5:51 am

                • As long as you speak your nonsense I will put in the links to the Holocaust handbooks and other information I’m not going to let you get away with the lies at least give people a chance to read the truth.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 5:56 am

                • I’m spreading nonsense? Perhaps you should expand and tell me one area which I haven’t given a source for? well? Its like your claim of the Bone mill. You call it a cement mixer and mottogno calls it a “ball mill”. I’m sure you haven’t put much research into even your handbooks Jim… Mattogno claims that the bone mill as a ball mill in (Chelmno: A German camp). You didn’t know this… you also didn’t know the T4 program happened. Its you have a lack of knowledge and only seek out inflammatory testimonies.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 9:01 am

              • Ah, I see you replied under Tim when he was was asking of Jeffs lists.

                I already handled the Transfer argument Jim, and they say nothing of the sort. One of Eric’s witnesses described listening to an engine running inside the camp every night. If I remember correctly he doesn’t claim to be showered or anything. The conditions were described as awful, the food from the bakery was described to be the size of a flash drive, and they all describe entering the camp in the numbers of Thousands and leaving with 100 to 500 people.

                4,000 people entering the camp and 100 of them leaving Jim does not sound like Transit. Because it isn’t transit. You also love how Eric cuts up their testimony to the point where someone could argue that he’s like Kues. Only accepting portions of their story. As well I only saw ten people at least used by Eric. I didn’t see any evidence that “Tens of Thousands” claiming transit through Treblinka.

                As I explained look up Jule’s he’s a perfect example of a Transfer. And how Erics reasoning is illogical.

                I have explained above to Tim the exact same thing I have to you. There are no Transit documents that tell us what happened to these 750,000 people sent to Treblinka.

                According to both the Korherr report and the Höfle telegram “713,555” people were sent to Treblinka. Where is the exit papers Jim?

                Also why would Belzec need “434,508” workers? The camp was a Labor camp according to Ball.

                It’s not selective journalism, especially when Transfers are a part of the official story Jim. Hell a historians as mentioned was one of these transfers.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 5:51 am

                • More nonsense from you…

                  Treblinka deaths lies

                   Here the claims of the witnesses who speak of the high death counts of Treblinka….they verge on pure insanity. For instance, Abe Kon had the nerve to make the following statement: “In this way, they exterminated 15,000 to 18,000 persons a day. It went on like that for two months.” Stainslaw sings the same tune: “Within 13 months they killed 15,000 to 18,000 people there.” At his interrogation of September 26, 1944, Samuel Rajzman stated: “Every day 5-6 transports with 60 boxcars each arrived in the camp. Of course, there were days on which 1-2 trains arrived, but that was an exception, not the rule. Six to seven thousand people arrived with each transport.” This corresponds to 24,000, even 28,000, people daily! In 1946, Rajzman gave figures on the same order of magnitude: “Every day there were about 20,000 corpses. […] There were days on which up to 25,000 people were killed.” A further witness, Stanis aw Borowy, testified that 12,000 to 18,000 deportees arrived daily in trains with 60 boxcars with 150 to 200 occupants each. Jankiel Wiernik wrote: “Between ten and twelve thousand people were gassed each day. […] There were periods when as many as 20,000 people were gassed in one day.” Incredibly, these insanities were accepted by the court of a Western European nation as the unvarnished truth! In the verdict of the Düsseldorf Court of Assizes, ref. 8 I Ks 2/64, p. 88, one Manfred Blank declared: “In Treblinka many times up to 5 transports with an average of 6,000 people each arrived in one day.” According to this, up to 30,000 people were reaching Treblinka daily! According to the transport lists provided by Arad, from July 22 to September 30, 1942, thus within a period of 70 days, approximately 500,000 Jews were deported to Treblinka and murdered there, although at that time only the first of the two gassing installations is supposed to have existed. This corresponds to a figure of more than 7,100 persons gassed per day! Since, according to the verdict of the above mentioned Düsseldorf trial, each of the three gas chambers  could hold a maximum of 350 persons, and thus the total capacity of the three chambers amounted to 1,050 persons, that would have meant no less than seven gassing operations per day per chamber, each of which is supposed to have taken less than three-and-a-half hours. According to the witnesses, however, the chambers were never in operation 24 hours a day, not even when 20,000 victims per day were coming in! In A. Donat’s anthology, we read: “On such days the gas chambers were in operation until 1 a.m. and finished off more than 20,000 corpses within 24 hours.” The number of persons assumed by the Düsseldorf Court of Assizes to have been gassed at one time (21 to 22 people per square meter) is of course unrealistic and was only adopted because otherwise the astronomical number of people gassed given by the witnesses would never have been reached. Even the Soviets, famed as masters of exaggeration, assumed a density of no more than 6 persons per square meter in their calculation of the capacity of the rooms alleged to have been ‘gas chambers’ in the Majdanek camp. Even if one assumes the highest density theoretically possible – 10 people per square meter – the three ‘gas chambers’ of the first installation would have been able to hold a maximum of 480 persons per process, so that 15 gassings would have been necessary to kill 7,100 people or more. Under these conditions, one gassing procedure, including all the accompanying steps, such as filling and emptying the chambers, would have had to have been completed in something over an hour and a half, and this would have to be done day in and day out for a period of 70 days! This sort of thing should have been greeted with roars of contemptuous laughter, but Gerald Reitlinger and Jean-Claude Pressac are the only representatives of the official historiography who mustered the minimum of courage needed to reject this insult to ordinary common sense! 

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 27, 2016 @ 5:54 am

                • Jim, there is common sense in your logic…. Not even David Cole would use your logic.

                  Perhaps you haven’t read the stoop report but it clearly says the following.

                  “With the Jews who have been bagged today, in my opinion a very large part of the bandits and lowest elements of the ghetto have been captured. Due to the onset of darkness, their immediate liquidation was no longer carried out. I will try to get a train to T II for tomorrow, otherwise the liquidation will be carried out tomorrow.”

                  Mattongo and Gard both accept the Stoop report as a real documents as well. They have issues explaining it away so they admit to “some” Liquidation happening at Treblinka, but we know this to be bullshit cause of the admissions of Franz Suchomel.

                  I am not arguing the witnesses and flaws in their testimony. If somehow inflammatory testimony then means Treblinka never happened, then by the same logic Dresden never happened. Pressac from what I am aware only wrote on existing camps, and never did action Reinhardt. So his writings are irrelevant here Jim. If you want to argue Treblinka then I will argue Treblinka, but I will not argue about inflammatory testimony somehow meaning an event never happened. Now put away your toys and act like an adult.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 8:49 am

                • Okay. This time I’ve got a problem with the numbers. As in “it don’t jive”. I’m gonna say this was a 24 hour operation . So 18 to 20,000 people in a 24 hour period. I’m not gonna say,”28 or 31 days in those 2 months”. I’m gonna go with 30 days. I’m gonna go in between and say,”19,000 stiffs per day”. 29 x 19,000 is over a half a mill. 551,000. In two months that comes out to 1,102,000. No even if everybody was extremely proficient in operating all these gas houses,I’d still find that number hard to accept. Here’s my issue with what I previously said. I read one of these replies on here and it eluded to the fact that,they “were not proficient “, in running these things . Someone mentioned that in here. Hey. Like I said. So much obfuscation in here,i did good to locate your response with these numbers. It’s just common sense that bumping that many people off is just a bit much to ask. Hell,there’s your 6 mill plus right there. Why stop there. We had record sales the first year,let’s start year number two. Hell,if they’ve got that system down perfect,then they should have a killer plan to win the war. I’ve said before,some bad shit probably happened. This was a war. The entire world went off the deep end. Bad shit happens to everyone in a war . Don’t expect people to get together holding hands and sing,”Michael row the boat ashore”. It ain’t gonna happen. That’s why H G Wells said,”if we don’t end war,war will end us”. All this shit being thrown into the mix wether hitler or Herman were gay spies. Who gives a shit. How does that even have anything to do with anything? It’s almost like someone is trying to pull a slight of hand. Like I said those numbers don’t add up. It reminds me of Nam. We got a couple dead dinks laying there and our staff sgt. turns in 15 to our dip shit CO. The bad part,the CO is looking right at the dead bodies. He passed the shit on to MACV. In turn,Westmoreland and the idiots at the CIA get the figures and they sit around and have one big circle jerk. That’s why I’m so critical of numbers. They wanna hand these numbers out. I found out real quick,in war,Mr. Murphy is always close by. “If it can go wrong,it will”. I’m sure he wasn’t to far from these prisons. No where have I ever heard anyone mention anything about ,”down time”. All this equipment was built by,humans. Now we’re such a god damn arrogant group of beings,that it’s impossible for us to build something that will somewhere along the line,break down. So I add equipment failure into the numbers they pass out. Something goes wrong,it might be minor,it could be major . Then you always got the tech who says,”it’ll be a few days. I’ve gotta send out for the part”. Like I said. I don’t fall on one side or the other here, it’s just some of the shit I read on here seems to fall into common sense. I don’t care who claimed those high numbers,they don’t make sense. Nobody takes into account,the different scenarios that are possible and those scenarios could chew up the numbers. Nothing is ever a 100%.

                  Comment by Tim — June 27, 2016 @ 5:57 pm

                • “According to both the Korherr report and the Höfle telegram “713,555” people were sent to Treblinka. Where is the exit papers Jim?

                  Also why would Belzec need “434,508” workers? The camp was a Labor camp according to Ball.”

                  One other thing to consider:
                  These camps were small compared to Dachau, Auschwitz or Majdanek. There is no room for the amount of people sent to them. They were either death camps or transit camps. Considering, as you say, we have no exits from these camps, death camps are what these camps are.
                  Also, when the Poles investigated these camps after the war they found ash piles and ash in pits, body parts, bones and bone fragments, this is absolute evidence of death camps.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 27, 2016 @ 4:21 pm

                • Yep!

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 27, 2016 @ 4:42 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “One other thing to consider: These camps were small compared to Dachau, Auschwitz or Majdanek. There is no room for the amount of people sent to them. They were either death camps or transit camps. Considering, as you say, we have no exits from these camps, death camps are what these camps are.”

                  Nice fallacy. You could have said as well: We have no delivery notes of mountains of wood for the cremation of millions of corpses and no reliable archaeological data about the presence of millions of corpses there, thus transit camps are what these camps were.

                  Jeff wrote: ” Also, when the Poles investigated these camps after the war they found ash piles and ash in pits, body parts, bones and bone fragments, this is absolute evidence of death camps.”

                  Holo-Wonderland, undeniably the last place in this world where ‘reports’ produced by Soviet-controlled Poland are still regarded as reports and absolute evidence of anything…😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 28, 2016 @ 3:18 pm

                • Jeffs the one that said this Hermie… I have no idea why your posting It my way.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 3:35 pm

                • You wrote: “I have no idea why your posting It my way.”

                  You must be speaking your comments, and the computer is misunderstanding that you are trying to say you’re but the computer is typing your.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

                • FG, he sent me a post that he should have sent to Jeff… Its not that my computers misunderstanding what I’m saying… Its just what I said wasn’t very clear to anyone but Him.

                  He replied to me the following.

                  “Jeff wrote: “One other thing to consider: These camps were small compared to Dachau, Auschwitz or Majdanek. There is no room for the amount of people sent to them. They were either death camps or transit camps. Considering, as you say, we have no exits from these camps, death camps are what these camps are.”
                  Nice fallacy. You could have said as well: We have no delivery notes of mountains of wood for the cremation of millions of corpses and no reliable archaeological data about the presence of millions of corpses there, thus transit camps are what these camps were.
                  Jeff wrote: ” Also, when the Poles investigated these camps after the war they found ash piles and ash in pits, body parts, bones and bone fragments, this is absolute evidence of death camps.”
                  Holo-Wonderland, undeniably the last place in this world where ‘reports’ produced by Soviet-controlled Poland are still regarded as reports and absolute evidence of anything…😉”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 5:06 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “One other thing to consider: These camps were small compared to Dachau, Auschwitz or Majdanek. There is no room for the amount of people sent to them. They were either death camps or transit camps. Considering, as you say, we have no exits from these camps, death camps are what these camps are.”

                  “Nice fallacy. You could have said as well: We have no delivery notes of mountains of wood for the cremation of millions of corpses and no reliable archaeological data about the presence of millions of corpses there, thus transit camps are what these camps were.”

                  No, I actually say deniers don’t have proof these camps were transit camps.
                  Unless you have transport schedules, communication between the SS and the military coordinating transports, proof of foreign Jews in large camps or ghettos………………

                  Jeff wrote: ” Also, when the Poles investigated these camps after the war they found ash piles and ash in pits, body parts, bones and bone fragments, this is absolute evidence of death camps.”

                  “Holo-Wonderland, undeniably the last place in this world where ‘reports’ produced by Soviet-controlled Poland are still regarded as reports and absolute evidence of anything… ;-)”

                  That’s a fallacy. At the time it was a coalition between the Communists and Free Poles.
                  Also, the first reports of the death camps came from the POLISH UNDERGROUND, about as anti-Communist as you can get.
                  So, you have the reports of the Polish Underground, the reports from escaped Jews, the reports of Polish bystanders, the Koehrer Report, the Hoefle Telegram and what the Poles found after the war.

                  What’s your evidence?
                  Inquiring minds want to know.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 5:12 pm

                • Holohoax summed up….based on facts not magical illusions…..

                  From Lectures on the Holocaust Germar Rudolph
                  P. 207-210
                  3.4.2. Mass Murder Scenes R: There are basically two ways of getting a picture of what happened in Auschwitz. You can either go to original sources and read and analyze the thousands of documents and statements by witnesses, or else you can reach for a book published by the institution that claims to be the ultimate authority on the subject. That is the Polish State Museum at Auschwitz. Needless to say, almost everyone chooses the latter method. Who has the time and resources for the former? For this reason, I would like to briefly summarize the literature published by the Auschwitz State Museum. I would like to briefly describe the museum’s official history of Auschwitz and its presentation of the alleged extermination process. It goes like this: In the summer of 1941, Camp Commandant Höß receives oral orders to get the camp ready to exterminate Jews. Early in September 1941, in the cellar of a building in the main camp, there is an experimental gassing of several hundred Soviet POWs using the cyanide based pesticide Zyklon B In the following weeks the morgue of the crematory in the main camp is converted into a homicidal gas chamber. The conversion consists of knocking holes in the concrete roof so that Zyklon B can be dumped into the room below. This gas chamber begins operation around the end of 1941 and is in use until early 1943 (see the plans of this crematory in Ill. 71, p. 252).  The “selection” of victims is performed next to the railroad tracks in front of the main camp. Those prisoners who are able to work are accepted in the camp, while those unable to work are sent directly to “gas chambers.” The bodies of the victims are then cremated in the room next to the gas chamber, which originally contained two double-muffle  crematory ovens (later there were three.) In the first half of 1942, two old farmhouses outside the Birkenau camp are converted to gas chambers. These are called “Bunker 1” and “Bunker 2” or sometimes “Red House” and “White House.” These continue in operation until the beginning of 1943. With the deportation of the Hungarian Jews in May  1944, one of these farmhouses (Bunker 2) is reactivated as a homicidal facility. The victims of these Bunkers are cremated over wood fires in trenches that are several meters deep. Melted human fat is retrieved with large ladles and used as fuel for the fires. In the summer of 1942 planning begins for four new crematories in Birkenau, built as two pairs with mirror like symmetry. Two of these have underground morgues, one of which is used as an undressing room and the other as a gas chamber. In addition each has an oven room equipped with five triple-muffle ovens, making a total of 15 muffles (see crematories II and III, Ill. 62f., p. 242). The other two crematories (no. IV and V474) both have a mortuary above ground and an oven room with an eight-muffle oven, as well as three smaller rooms used as “gas chambers.” These crematories go into operation one after the other between March and June 1943. Crematories IV and V quickly fall out of operation because of defective construction. Crematory IV is never repaired, Crematory V very late in the war. The ovens of Crematories II and III remain in operation, with interruptions, until the end of 1944. In the underground gas chambers of Crematories II and III, just as in the crematory in the main camp, Zyklon B is dumped through openings, which were chiseled through the reinforced concrete roof after construction was completed. The gas chambers of Crematories IV and V, which are above ground, have small hatches in the walls through which the pesticide is introduced. The only gas chambers provided with ventilation are those in Crematories I, II, and III. Thus the poison gas cannot be forced out of the gas chambers in Crematories IV or V or the two farm houses. One has to rely solely on the natural ventilation through opened doors and hatches. L: I beg your pardon? R: One moment please. Let me first finish my overview. Until May 1944, victim selection takes place at the railroad tracks of the main camp, but after that on the new ramp built at Birkenau. Those selected for gassing are told that for hygienic reasons they have to shower and have their clothes deloused. The victims disrobe, partly in special buildings or rooms and partly in the open. Sometimes they are given soap and towels. Then they are directed into the gas chambers, some of which are equipped with phony shower heads in order to trick the victims. After the doors are sealed, pesticide is thrown into the chamber in quantities sufficient to kill insects. A few minutes later, everybody is dead. After about a quarter hour the doors are opened and the so-called Sonderkommandos (prisoner special unit) begin the task of removing the corpses from the gas chamber. Sometimes they wear gas masks, sometimes they don’t. They harvest hair from the corpses and extract gold teeth. Then they drag the corpses to the crematory ovens or incineration trenches. The ovens are stuffed chock full of bodies, up to eight in a single muffle. Flames and thick black smoke shoot out of the crematory chimneys and huge incineration trenches. The entire area is blanketed in smoke and the hellish stench of burning flesh. At least 10,000 Jews are murdered every day between May and September 1944. Most of the resulting corpses are burned in open trenches. L: How many victims are supposed to have been crammed in these alleged gas chambers at a time? R: The witnesses do not agree on this. For the underground morgues no. 1 of the crematories II and III, which had a surface area of roughly 210 m² (2,260 sq ft), at least 1,000 victims are said to have been executed at a time. Other witnesses speak of 2,000 or even up to 3,000 victims. L: That is between ½ and 1½ persons on every square foot. How can you get up to three people to stand on two square feet? They must have squeezed themselves together quite extremely? R: That is quite a logistic problem, indeed. Just imagine the following scene: 1,000 people of both sexes plus children enter the undressing room with a surface area of 390 m2 (4,200 ft2). Each one would therefore have an area of only 60 cm × 60 cm (2×2 ft) on which to undress. Experience shows that people do not pack themselves tightly to the very edge of an enclosed area, unless, of course, they are quite willing to do so, like when they enter a bus and need to fill it tightly, so that other passengers can still get in. L: Not even that works most of the times. People simply won’t scoot over to make room for others unless they are informed of what they need to do and then are also willing to comply. And that is particularly true if they are told to undress completely in front of hundreds of strangers of both sexes. That would never work. R: Correct. Actually, in order to get people to enter through just one door in a long, stretched out room and to fill it tightly to the last place, the procedure must be rehearsed. Once inside the naked people walk over into alleged gas chamber, the same problem occurs again. Here the victims must press themselves even more tightly together, since that room was even smaller. The first people entering the room must proceed to the very end of this 100 ft long room in a disciplined manner and line up against the wall. The next lot will form the line directly in front, and so on, until the entire chamber is full. Even if choreographed perfectly, this would still take at least half an hour. L: So how did they get these 1,000 naked people to pack themselves tightly together, touching other completely naked strangers? R: I do not know, but it would have required the drill and discipline that you can instill only in soldiers after weeks of exercising, provided they are dressed. I don’t know if that would still work if you had those soldiers line up naked, particularly if there are female soldiers present as well. L: Well, that is ridiculous. After all, under such circumstances, the alleged claim by the SS that their victims are going to have a shower in that room would convince nobody. How do you take a shower when your neighbors step on your feet and you can hardly turn around, not to mention bend down to wash yourself? R: You have revealed this absurdity quite well. So even before going into technical and documentary details, you can already see that the claims made about those alleged homicidal gassings are fishy already on pure logistical grounds.  In closing this brief overview of the alleged murder scenarios, it should also be mentioned that the first report about the alleged murder methods used in Auschwitz as reported by Boris Polevoy,  a Soviet propagandist writing for the Soviet newspaper Pravda, differed quite distinctly from what was suggested otherwise: “Last year, when the Red Army revealed to the world the terrible and abominable secrets of Majdanek, the Germans in Auschwitz began to wipe out the traces of their crimes. They leveled the mounds of the so-called ‘old’ graves in the eastern part of the camp, tore up and destroyed the traces of the electric conveyor belt, on which hundreds of people were simultaneously electrocuted, their bodies falling onto the slow moving conveyor belt which carried them to the top of the blast furnace where they fell in, were completely burned, their bones converted to meal in the rolling mills, and then sent to the surrounding fields.” R: The story about the conveyor belt electrocution with subsequent incineration in blast furnaces was, of course, nothing but Soviet atrocity propaganda with no foundation in reality. It quickly ended up in the trash bins of history and was replaced with something more “credible,” which had been claimed since 1942: gas chambers. Just how credible these gas chamber allegations are will be investigated in the next chapters of the book……

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 5:17 pm

                • Bored.
                  You’ve already copied that.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 28, 2016 @ 5:46 pm

                • Sorry….too much Zyclon B in my blood…..
                  I’m starting to hallucinate.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 6:08 pm

                • Click wrote: “Jeffs the one that said this Hermie… I have no idea why your posting It my way.”

                  I replied to Jeff, not to you (the reason why I wrote “Jeff wrote”). But since there was no reply button below Jeff’s comment, I clicked on the reply button below your comment.

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 4:20 am

                • Jeff wrote: “No, I actually say deniers don’t have proof these camps were transit camps.”

                  I know what you say. And without your funny two-speed evidential standards, you would have understood and conceded what I said too.😉

                  Jeff wrote: ”That’s a fallacy. At the time it was a coalition between the Communists and Free Poles.”

                  So ‘Free Poles’ could produce propaganda material not approved by Soviet authorities in postwar Poland? Great news!! Holohoaxsters are never short on dumb claims, I see.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Also, the first reports of the death camps came from the POLISH UNDERGROUND, about as anti-Communist as you can get. So, you have the reports of the Polish Underground, the reports from escaped Jews, the reports of Polish bystanders, the Koehrer Report, the Hoefle Telegram and what the Poles found after the war.”

                  The Polish Underground had many links and relations with US Zionists during the war. “[The World Jewish Congress] participated in every [European] underground [during the war],” Zionist WJC leader Maurice Perlzweig admitted later. One could say that Polish Underground was a propaganda organ of US Zionists in some way.

                  No surprise that some Poles courted influent US Jewry at a time when their country was occupied by two powerful foreign states. Understanding that US support would be needed for a future independence of Poland was no rocket science after all.

                  Jeff wrote: “What’s your evidence? Inquiring minds want to know.”

                  My evidence is the lack of evidence for the accusers’ claims, a weapon of mass destruction against groundless lunatic claims in a normal world…😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 4:55 am

                • I’m not trying to start anything,but baked goods the size of a “flash drive”. That’s kinda reaching . If you have baked goods that small,it would take no time to burn them. Considering these were for the inmates,it doesn’t seem to me they would give a shit how they turned out. I figure a lot of the baked goods would’ve been burned. I’m pretty sure Julia Child wasn’t working there,so some of the shit had to come out burned. Why didn’t he mention that? I wasn’t there,so I can’t say one way or the other. It just seems a pretty accurate assessment that some of the shit,is gonna come out burned. Baked goods that small,you gotta bird dog the hell out of em

                  Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 8:34 am

  7. Short and sweet
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p173_weber.html

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — June 26, 2016 @ 7:22 pm

    • Weber left the revisionist movement, that is from what I am aware.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:26 pm

  8. I thought they (nazis) trashed all the Catholic Churches

    Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

    • You wrote: “I thought they (nazis) trashed all the Catholic Churches”

      Where did you get that idea?

      Comment by furtherglory — June 26, 2016 @ 7:39 pm

      • Seems like Hitler and the Catholic Church got along just fine.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 26, 2016 @ 7:41 pm

        • You wrote “Seems like Hitler and the Catholic Church got along just fine.”

          I think that you are correct. Hitler was a Catholic, but he rarely went to church. A lot of Catholics are like that. I go to the Catholic church on Easter and that’s it for me.

          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/were-the-nazis-godless/

          Comment by furtherglory — June 26, 2016 @ 7:53 pm

          • Yeah,but you said he had some on lockdown. Your article had nothing to do with why they were locked down,but how they were treated( which was damn good).

            Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 8:43 pm

        • What about the priests he had on lockdown. I know some of them were there. I read about that on this site

          Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 8:39 pm

          • If the priest would be doing anything or plotting against Germany time then Germany had a perfect right to put them in camps. I’m not saying I agree with what happened what I’m saying is you have to live within the community standards that a set up with where you are if you fight those rules then the people in charge have the right to do what they want with you legally.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 26, 2016 @ 8:46 pm

      • Christians try to play him off as Pagan and will say he did this.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 7:53 pm

      • You said they didn’t like Catholics . I figured they’d take that shit like they did the church the Jews went to. Like I said,I’m trying to learn here. Long as yall been studying on this it looks like yall would be high school seniors ( based on the vast knowledge yall have) . As for me,I’d be like a first grader based on “my lack knowledge” on the subject

        Comment by Tim — June 26, 2016 @ 8:36 pm

        • He was born a Roman Catholic, and Jim is correct here. Some writers do claim he tried to destroy the Catholic Church, but they used questionable quotes which are based to much off table talk, that is to the point that it’s not worth taking it seriously.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:25 pm

          • *use

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 10:26 pm

    • No Adolf did not destroy churches. He was born a roman catholic and stayed a roman catholic for the rest of his life.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 26, 2016 @ 7:56 pm


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