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August 14, 2016

The Majdanek camp, as seen by a young Jewish girl

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 9:46 am

You can read here about a tour of the memorial site at the former Majdanek concentration camp, written by a young Jewish girl named Carly Cohen:  http://www.jewishchronicle.org/2016/08/01/leaving-auschwitz/

Carly Cohen on visit to Auschwitz camp

Carly Cohen on a visit to Auschwitz main camp before visiting Majdanek camp

The following quote is from the news article cited above:

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One aspect of Majdanek that stood out to me was that there was a town overlooking the camp. People’s balconies looked out to the gas chambers and the barracks in which thousands of people were imprisoned. It is mind-boggling to me how people can wake up, make coffee, and sit on their balconies and welcome in the morning by staring death in the face. I never thought I would experience a place that could prove to be more emotional than Auschwitz. I thought I had experienced the worst of the worst while at Auschwitz-Birkenau, but when I went to Majdanek, I proved myself wrong.

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One of the first places that I visited, when I began touring the sites of the Holocaust, was Majdanek. I was very impressed by the sight of the Majdanek camp, but not for the same reason that this young girl was impressed.

When I began my tour of the camps in Poland in 1998, the first place that I visited was Treblinka.

In sharp contrast to the alleged extermination camp at Treblinka, which is in a wooded area as remote as Ted Kaczynkski’s Montana cabin, the Majdanek concentration camp is situated in a major urban area, four kilometers from the city center of Lublin, and can be easily reached by trolley car.

The location of the Majdanek camp is in an area of rolling terrain and can be seen from all sides; it could not be more public or accessible.

The Majdanek concentration camp is located in an entirely open area with no ten-foot wall around it to hide the activities inside the camp, as at Dachau. There was no security zone established around the Majdanek camp, as at Birkenau, and there is no natural protection, such as a river or a forest, as at Treblinka.

Besides being bounded on the north by a busy main road, the Majdanek camp was bounded on the south by two small villages named Abramowic and Dziesiata.

According to the camp guidebook, Heinrich Himmler ordered the liquidation of the Jews in the Lublin district after the insurrection on October 14, 1943 at Sobibor, one of the Operation Reinhard extermination camps on the Polish-Russian border, in which 300 Jews, led by a Jewish Russian Prisoner of War, escaped into the nearby woods.

At that time, the three largest concentrations of Jews in Eastern Poland were at the camp at Majdanek and at the labor camp at Poniatowa, a tiny Polish village where 18,000 people were held, and at the Polish village of Trawniki where 10,000 Jews were imprisoned in a labor camp.

People driving past the camp, while it was in operation, had a completely unobstructed view, being able to see the tall brick chimney of the crematorium wafting smoke from the top of a slope not far away, and the gas chamber building which is a few yards from a busy street.

Majdakek is also known as Maidenek, which is the German version of the name.

What really impressed me, when I visited the Majdanek memorial site was the huge stone monument at the entrance.

Huge monument at entrance to Majdanek Memorial site

Huge monument at entrance to Majdanek Memorial site

Monument as viewed from inside the camp

Monument as viewed from inside the former Majdanek camp

The population of Lublin has more than tripled since the end of World War II and the former Majdanek concentration camp is now within the city limits, like a municipal park except that it is a ghastly eyesore. There are several modern high-rise apartment buildings overlooking the camp on two sides.

On one side of the camp, is a Roman Catholic cemetery which was there even when the camp was in operation.

On the other side of the street, directly across from the former concentration camp, there is now a Polish military installation since this street is part of the main road into the Ukraine and Russia. During World War II, the street which borders the Majdanek concentration camp was the main route to the eastern front for the German army.

The city of Lublin is near the eastern border of Poland and what is now the Ukraine. Between 1772 and 1918, when Poland had ceased to be an independent country and was divided between Prussia (Germany), Austria and Russia, Lublin was in the Russian sector.

In April 1835, Russian Czar Nicholas I issued a decree which created the Pale of Settlement, a territory where Russian Jews were forced to live until after the Communist Revolution of 1917. Lublin was located within the Pale of Settlement, as was the city of Warsaw.

The census of 1897 counted 4,899,300 Jews who were crowded into the Pale of Settlement, which was like a huge reservation similar to those where the Native Americans were forced to live during the same time period in the western USA.

In 1881, Russia began evicting the Jews from the Pale, which began a mass migration. By 1914, two million Jews had left the Pale and had settled in Germany, Austria, America and other countries.

In 1939, when Poland was again divided between Germany and the Soviet Union, Lublin came under the control of Russia again. This lasted until June 1941 when the Nazis launched an attack on the Communist Soviet Union, the ideological enemy of Fascist Germany.

Lublin, being close to the border of the German-controlled General Government of Poland, was one of the first cities to be conquered by the Germans. The German conquest of the Soviet sector of Poland in the last 6 months of 1941 brought Polish Communists and also millions of Jews, who were the sworn enemies of the Nazis, under the control of the Germans.

In order to avoid having partisans attack them from the rear as they advanced into Russia, the Nazis rounded up those whom they considered their political enemies and confined them in the Majdanek camp, along with the captured Soviet POWs.

But, to get back to the apartment houses, with their balconies overlooking the camp, I did not photograph them because I did not want to invade their privacy. However, my tour guide did point out the balconies, as she told me about the Polish residents watching as the Germans shot thousands of Jews at Majdanek.

The gas chambers at Majdanek are on the other side of the camp, near the highway, where thousands of vehicles were passing by. People could observe the Jews entering the alleged gas chamber building.

The Nazis claimed that the Jews were only taking a shower, not being gassed to death, in this building. The identical building right next to the gas chamber building is closed to tourists. The clothing of the Jews was disinfected in this building, in order to kill the lice that spreads typhus.

 

 

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  1. Studying Google Earth, it would appear that there is a huge civilian cemetery that lies adjacent to the Majdanek camp along its south-east perimeter. But this would mean that grave-diggers, stone masons, burial parties, mourners and visitors would be coming and going constantly while the camp was in operation. The perimeter fence only consisted of two parallel rows of barbed-wire fences, and this would hardly restrict people in the cemetery seeing what was going on inside.

    So what must visitors to the cemetery have thought on that fateful day – 3rd November 1943 – when it is alleged that the Nazis were exterminating 18,400 victims at Majdanek between the hours of dawn and dusk. This operation was called Aktion Erntefest or “Operation Harvest Festival”, and it is alleged to have involved the machine-gunning of this mind-bogglingly enormous number of people into prepared pits which lay just outside the perimeter fence.

    If you were in a group of mourners laying a loved one to rest, or just an individual paying your respects to your late dear old granny, would you not feel just a little disconcerted by the sight of naked people being led to the pits by the hundred, and then hearing the shooting and the screams of the victims – albeit masked by loudspeakers blasting out music by Mozart and other composers?

    Comment by Talbot — August 15, 2016 @ 8:30 pm

    • Where is the cemetery in relation to the museum? I located the town on the map app on my phone . I’m just not sure where the cemetery is at. The museum seems to be a good place to get directions from there to the cemetery. “Believe the word,I will unlock my door,and pass the cemetery gates”. That’s a couple lines from the song “Cemetery Gates”,by Pantera. I just thought I’d throw that in for good measure. The songs about a cemetery .

      Comment by Tim — August 16, 2016 @ 4:11 am

      • Majdanek is situated about 3 kilometres along the old main road that leaves the center of Lublin in a more-or-less south-easterly direction. Just beyond the camp is the cemetery itself, and the perimeter of both sites adjoin each other. The cemetery was definitely there back in WW2, although it has undoubtedly grown in size since then.

        Comment by Talbot — August 16, 2016 @ 5:27 am

      • You wrote: “Where is the cemetery in relation to the museum?”

        The Museum consists of a number of buildings on the right hand side of the camp. I wrote about the Museum on this page of my website:
        http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek03.html

        The cemetery is a 5 minute walk to the left of the Museum buildings. The fence around the cemetery is in the camp. While the camp was in use, people were coming to the cemetery, where they could look into the camp and see what was happening to the Jews.

        Comment by furtherglory — August 16, 2016 @ 8:11 am

    • You wrote: “The perimeter fence only consisted of two parallel rows of barbed-wire fences,”

      I don’t recall that the fence around the cemetery was made of barbed-wire. Maybe the fence was replaced when the camp became a memorial site.I remember being very surprised that the visitors to the cemetery could see everything that was going on in the camp, and they could have talked to the inmates.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 16, 2016 @ 8:17 am

    • Aktion Erntefest – or “Operation Harvest Festival” – was not just restricted to Majdanek. Because on the very same day – Nov. 3rd, 1943 – it is alleged that upwards of 20,000 Jews were machine-gunned into pits at the nearby sub-camps of Trawniki and Poniatowa.

      We must remember that all three of these places were merely labour camps holding forced workers who were desperately needed for the vital war industries serving the German armies fighting on the eastern front. Is it likely, therefore, that the SS would summarily execute around 40,000 of its valuable workers, and carry it all out on a single day! Is it even physically and logistically possible to do this in the allotted time frame and in the relatively small areas that these camps covered.

      And then again, one has to ask – did the daily activities of these labour camps continue while this mass killing was going on. I would imagine not – because you wouldn’t haven’t many workers left alive to carry out all the jobs that needed to be done. And in addition, the morale and capacity for productive work would plummet like a stone, because these survivors would be in deep shock and fearful of what is soon likely to be-fall themselves.

      But although the holocaust proponents are quite adamant that these massacres took place, you cannot elicit any information as to the exact locations of these two massacre sites – or where the human remains lie buried today.

      The “Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, published by Yad Vashem, just says this about Poniatowa;-

      ” All together, on the day 4 November 1043 – about 15000 of the Jewish prisoners were murdered. The Germans tried to make 200 of the surviving Jews cremate the bodies of the killed, but they refused and so murdered also. Only a few managed to escape from Aktion Erntefest before the camp’s liquidation.”

      (It says the 4th Nov, – this is because the operation began the previous day, but it is claimed that a revolt took place and some of the barracks were set on fire, and so the action went on into next day. What happened to all the human remains – well, your guess is as good as mine.)

      Meanwhile the USHMM states the following regarding Trawniki;-

      “As part of the cynically christened Operation “Harvest Festival” (Unternehmen Erntefest), SS and police units shot at least 6,000 Jewish inmates of Trawniki and Dorohucza on November 3, 1943, eliminating virtually the entire workforce. After the massacre, the Trawniki SS and police staff imported a small detachment of Jewish laborers from Milejow to burn the corpses on massive grills made from rail track, and then to disperse the ashes and bone fragments into trenches, which they covered with dirt. After completing this dreadful work, the Jewish laborers were shot and their bodies burned”.

      But once again, they provide no details of the precise locations of these trenches, or whether the human remains were exhumed after the war and placed in an ossuary or silo similar to the one at Majdanek.

      Comment by Talbot — August 16, 2016 @ 12:50 pm

      • You wrote: “on the very same day – Nov. 3rd, 1943 – it is alleged that upwards of 20,000 Jews were machine-gunned into pits at the nearby sub-camps of Trawniki and Poniatowa.”

        I wrote about this on this blog post:
        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/trawniki-concentration-camp-mentioned-in-holocausrt-themed-opera/

        Comment by furtherglory — August 16, 2016 @ 3:45 pm

        • I thought they quit doing that,long before then. It was said,they had to find another way to do things. They said a lot of the guys,couldn’t handle doing that shit,if they weren’t being shot at ( as in the war zone). I find that interesting,because these are the same folks,they say were wholesale killers. Something’s not adding up here.

          Comment by Tim — August 16, 2016 @ 4:22 pm

          • Maybe it’s just me but when I see these huge numbers of people slaughtered I personally think these figures are just propaganda lies. It’s like people had nothing better to do then just shoot people, after all they were Jews kill them, it will make great internet discussion in 70 years later in time……I don’t buy it….sorry

            Comment by rizolitv — August 16, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

            • I already figured that part. 20,000 is a big reach. What caught my eye was the date (’43). I read somewhere that they were supposedly ventilating people from ’39 to ’41. They said that took too long,and the guys couldn’t handle shooting people on a wholesale level. History would have us believe these guys were stone cold. Due to the fact they couldn’t shoot people like that,it proves the guys were not heartless killers. If people are going around making up this ,”20,000 Jews die from lead poisoning,they ain’t doing a good job of making the stories up. They forgot they told us,these guys couldn’t handle killing people in cold blood. No matter how a person looks at it,there’s some shit that don’t add up.

              Comment by Tim — August 16, 2016 @ 7:42 pm

  2. So, no takers?

    No one can explain who, how, what, when and why this “hoax” came about?

    Lots of confusion, was it the Soviets? The Brits Psi-ops division? FDR, Churchill, Stalin? Zionists?

    Why no leaks from those that thought up or implemented this “hoax?”

    Why would the Soviets continue to foster this “hoax?”

    So many questions.

    No answers.

    I guess real history wins.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 15, 2016 @ 3:00 pm

    • You wrote: “No one can explain who, how, what, when and why this “hoax” came about?”

      No one knows what you are referring to. You must quote what you are answering.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 15, 2016 @ 4:11 pm

      • This part ain’t gonna totally answer Jeffs question. Part of what he inquires about May involve a time frame. One time I put the question on the table,”what decade did holocaust denial come about?” I can’t recall who accommodated my question,but someone said the holo denial took off in a big way,back in the 70’s. That timeframe seemed a bit odd. We had just came out of a decade (60’s),where out country damn near commited suicide . I went along with most of the crowd in the 70’s. The main thing,we just wanted to sweep the 60’s under the rug. People like me,wanting to forget the used war,that our elected officials told us was a noble cause. You had some of the other people that were hippies back in the 60’s wanting to forget they were. So they hang out at Studio 54. My whole point her is this. The 70’s were all about,”me”. Nobody wanted to be crusaders anymore,or question shit. With that being said,I don’t see how something like holo denial would even get off the ground in the 70’s. Nobody wanted to immerse themselves in a subject like that. It was too much of a pain in the ass. The more they could get lost in themselves,the better

        Comment by Tim — August 15, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

        • You wrote: “One time I put the question on the table,”what decade did holocaust denial come about?”

          I was a child, back in the 1940ies. I recall that everyone was so happy that the war was over. No one talked about the war. They certainly didn’t talk about the Holocaust. I was in Germany in the late 1950ies when my husband was in the Army. Everyone was afraid that Russia would attack Germany and that’s all anyone ever talked about. I never heard the word Holocaust when I was in Germany at that time.

          Comment by furtherglory — August 16, 2016 @ 8:24 am

          • The Holocaust nonsense didn’t really get going until the Jew Frank Collin Nazi party Skokie protest. That opened the floodgates of Jewish victimization and Supreme Court decisions about free speech

            https://framgovfreed.onlinegroups.net/groups/framgovfeed/messages/topic/7MzTO1ByLxhohO408tqgqN

            Comment by rizolitv — August 16, 2016 @ 10:47 am

            • “The Holocaust nonsense didn’t really get going until the Jew Frank Collin Nazi party Skokie protest. That opened the floodgates of Jewish victimization and Supreme Court decisions about free speech”

              WHAT??????

              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

              I don’t know where you are going with this, but, my God, that was funny.

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 16, 2016 @ 10:57 am

            • Frank Collin/Cohen’s performance gave birth to Holocaustianity in America. The Holohoax emerged during WW2 and the following decades, but it became a religion of the masses after Collin’s theatrical performance at Skokie and NBC’s miniseries “Holocaust.” As Tim said, the people in Europe and America didn’t care about the Holohoax in the 1970’s. Most of them knew almost nothing of it at that time.

              Comment by hermie — August 16, 2016 @ 11:33 pm

              • You wrote: “the people in Europe and America didn’t care about the Holohoax in the 1970’s. Most of them knew almost nothing of it at that time.”

                That is correct. In 1973, I was 40 years old, and in the prime of my life. I barely knew the word “Holocaust.” The Holocaust did not become popular until around 20 years later.

                Comment by furtherglory — August 17, 2016 @ 7:16 am

                • So the 90’s was when everything took off with the subject of holo denial? Hey you were 40 in ’73? I was about half that age. You should’ve looked me up. You could’ve traded one Army man,for a different Dogface ( that’s what Our DI called us in boot. You know. Like we called Marines,”bullet catchers”). I’ve always dug older women. However,if you were into the,”hippe/flower child” scene,it wouldn’t have worked. You said you didn’t hear much on the holo back then. So I’m guessing they didn’t make that big of a deal out of the trials at Nuremberg. I’m just saying,something like that would put the holo on the front burner. Then again we were too busy worrying wether the Ruskies were getting ready to go apeshit or not.

                  Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 11:59 am

    • I’ve said before I don’t trust the Reds,but in all honesty,they’re too wreckless to do something this grand. When they pop up with docs,I have to take all that with a grain of salt. Here’s the one thing I have to ask when it comes to the Ruskies. What do they get out of this? Everyone knows the Ruskies don’t do anything,unless they stand to gain from it. I will say I don’t know what they gain every time they release some docs,that some poor slob ran across,in the archives in Moscow. It’s just like with hitlers skull. They claim to have a piece of it. They can say all they want about that,but at the end of the day,I’m gonna raise an eye over it. There is no way to prove it. I don’t know. The Reds love confusion. I say they throw all this shit out there,so they can feel like they got themselves a chip in the big game. They can’t be trusted. When it comes to me gathering facts so I can come to my own conclusion,I ignore what the Ruskies bring to the table.

      Comment by tim — August 15, 2016 @ 4:12 pm

    • You wrote: “I guess real history wins.”

      David Irving uses the phrase “real history.” I think he owns the copyright to this phrase.
      http://www.fpp.co.uk/

      Comment by furtherglory — August 16, 2016 @ 8:33 am

      • I’ll change it to “actual history,” though I do not see a copyright.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 16, 2016 @ 9:42 am

    • Jeff wrote: “So, no takers?”

      Attention whore detected…😉

      Jeff wrote: “No one can explain who, how, what, when and why this “hoax” came about?”

      What hoax? The hoax that 6 million Jewish martyrs, on the verge of extermination, required the grabbing of Palestine? The hoax that the evil Germans/’Huns’ had just mass murdered very numerous civilians in communal gas chambers? The hoax that Hitler was waging a war of extermination against the Jews? The hoax that Hitler had just murdered X million Jews by various means?

      C’mon, Jeff. The Holo-extermination stuff was around long before it had allegedly begun. In “The Great Dictator” of Chaplin (filmed from September 1939 to February 1940), some Hollywood ‘Nazis’ told Adenoid Hynkel (Chaplin’s ‘Hitler’): “We’ve just discovered the most wonderful poison gas.[…] We’ll kill off the Jews.” It’s said Hitler watched the movie twice. Perhaps that’s where he got the idea. That or history is just the formalization of victors’ mythology.

      Comment by hermie — August 16, 2016 @ 11:13 pm

      • Jeff wrote: “So, no takers?”

        “Attention whore detected… ;-)”

        Nope. Just want some answers.

        Jeff wrote: “No one can explain who, how, what, when and why this “hoax” came about?”

        “What hoax? The hoax that 6 million Jewish martyrs, on the verge of extermination, required the grabbing of Palestine? The hoax that the evil Germans/’Huns’ had just mass murdered very numerous civilians in communal gas chambers? The hoax that Hitler was waging a war of extermination against the Jews? The hoax that Hitler had just murdered X million Jews by various means?”

        I’m sorry, maybe I missed it. Is there any real proof in there?

        “C’mon, Jeff.”

        C’mon, Hermie. Proof please.

        “The Holo-extermination stuff was around long before it had allegedly begun. In “The Great Dictator” of Chaplin (filmed from September 1939 to February 1940), some Hollywood ‘Nazis’ told Adenoid Hynkel (Chaplin’s ‘Hitler’): “We’ve just discovered the most wonderful poison gas.[…] We’ll kill off the Jews.” It’s said Hitler watched the movie twice. Perhaps that’s where he got the idea. That or history is just the formalization of victors’ mythology.”

        Never seen it.

        Is that supposed to constitute proof? That’s sad.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 17, 2016 @ 4:57 am

        • As long as everybody is on the topic of an historical event that may or may or may not have existed,I’ve got a question about an object ( which don’t have dick to do with the holo). “The Nazi Gold Train”. I’ve heard about it before . To me it sounds like nothing more than ” Urban Legend “. Some along the lines of the “Lost Dutchmans Gold Mine”,in Arizona. Saw an article today about a Pole and a German that are going to start looking for it. If ( I think it’s a “big” if) it does exist and they find it,they’ll get screwed. It’s already got “Nazi” attached to it. That means the Jews will say,” hey. Thanks for finding that for us. Since it has “Nazi” attached to it,we’re gonna f–k you out of it. That’s right. All their hard ( once again,if it does exist) work will have been for naught. Since a pole is helping the German,he might get some “scraps”. So what’s the skinny here? How did this shit all start?

          Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 7:13 am

          • I heard about this story last year, Tim. I remember they had made a big deal about it. As time passed, mainstream media and historians became increasingly suspicious about this ‘discovery.’ I thought they had finally dropped the thing. I didn’t know that they were still on this one.

            If memory serves me right, the World Jewish Congress claimed the ownership of this gold as soon as the discovery was publicized. The herd of greedy Jews instantly jumping on a big pile of gold, even before it was exhumed, as a pack of hungry dogs smelling a piece fresh meat 3 miles away, almost cartoonish. Certainly hilarious.😉

            Comment by hermie — August 17, 2016 @ 8:00 am

            • I apologize. I did not see your answer. I just asked the same question again. My bad. Yeah I figured the Jews would want their greedy ass hands on it. Say,if we find a shit load of nazi dumpsters packed with trash,you think the Jews might claim that? Well if we’re gonna start talking about rightful ownership,I think the Lost Dutchmans Mine,should go to the Pima Nation of Native Americans. Supposedly it’s located around Superstition Moutain. That was their land before the white boy f–ked em out of it. I got more empathy for Native Americans,than I do Jews. That’s what pisses me off. Jews think they’re the only ones that have ever been shit on. Tell them,”man the f–k up. Quit crying”

              Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 11:43 am

            • Actually,tell the Jews get up off their
              “Lazy,fat f–kin asses,and put in THEIR OWN DAMN WORK” . That’s what pop always told me when I’d piss and moan.

              Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 11:46 am

        • Jeff wrote: “I’m sorry, maybe I missed it. Is there any real proof in there?”

          No proof brought or intended. I didn’t say that I planned to take your challenge. Haven’t I already played enough with you?

          Jeff wrote: “C’mon, Hermie. Proof please.”

          Would a Zionist paper of October 1939 with a forged Nazi quote foretelling the annihilation of six million Jews during the war, do the job? Would it show you that the Zionist clique had planned to use a holohoax of six million Jews for the advancement of their agenda long before the Nazis had allegedly opted for that plan?

          Jeff wrote: “Never seen it. Is that supposed to constitute proof? That’s sad.”

          Still much more a proof of a widespread premature exterminationist hoax than Click’s pathetic quote about Marxist Hebrew corrupters held under poison gas in Mein Kampf. But I nevertheless remember that I saw you support Click in her very successful self-ridiculing enterprise with that quote. That was a funny sight.

          Comment by hermie — August 17, 2016 @ 7:27 am

          • Jeff wrote: “I’m sorry, maybe I missed it. Is there any real proof in there?”

            “No proof brought or intended. I didn’t say that I planned to take your challenge. Haven’t I already played enough with you?”

            And lost. Repeatedly. Show me proof or admit you don’t have any proof of this “hoax.”

            Jeff wrote: “C’mon, Hermie. Proof please.”

            “Would a Zionist paper of October 1939 with a forged Nazi quote foretelling the annihilation of six million Jews during the war, do the job? Would it show you that the Zionist clique had planned to use a holohoax of six million Jews for the advancement of their agenda long before the Nazis had allegedly opted for that plan?”

            Sure. Show me. Now. Naturally I’ll want more information……

            Jeff wrote: “Never seen it. Is that supposed to constitute proof? That’s sad.”

            “Still much more a proof of a widespread premature exterminationist hoax than Click’s pathetic quote about Marxist Hebrew corrupters held under poison gas in Mein Kampf. But I nevertheless remember that I saw you support Click in her very successful self-ridiculing enterprise with that quote. That was a funny sight.”

            Yes, it was funny to watch you squirm. Does it still bother you that she was right?
            It was funny to watch the typical denier “pee pee” dance when confronted with something you can’t refute.
            Myself, that simply looks like Hitler rhetoric. It doesn’t foretell anything. However, he did write it and there were those that thought this did foretell some sort of planned extermination. I’ve mentioned that I am a Fuctionalist when it comes to the Holocaust.

            Comment by Jeff K. — August 17, 2016 @ 7:47 am

            • Jeff wrote: “And lost. Repeatedly. Show me proof or admit you don’t have any proof of this “hoax.””

              Unfortunately, Paul Blobel erased all traces of that hoax. What?!? Doesn’t work in that direction? Only applies to exempt Holohoaxsters from having to provide non-ufological evidence for their claims?

              Jeff wrote: “Sure. Show me. Now. Naturally I’ll want more information……”

              It seems Hitler’s macabre fundraising had finally ended. At last…

              Jeff wrote: “Yes, it was funny to watch you squirm. Does it still bother you that she was right? It was funny to watch the typical denier “pee pee” dance when confronted with something you can’t refute.”

              I see you have visibly decided to join Click on her sinking boat. Good for you. Have a nice bath together.

              Comment by hermie — August 17, 2016 @ 8:38 am

              • Jeff wrote: “And lost. Repeatedly. Show me proof or admit you don’t have any proof of this “hoax.””

                “Unfortunately, Paul Blobel erased all traces of that hoax. What?!? Doesn’t work in that direction? Only applies to exempt Holohoaxsters from having to provide non-ufological evidence for their claims?”

                Pathetic.
                So, someone put this hoax in place and erased all traces. How convenient.

                Jeff wrote: “Sure. Show me. Now. Naturally I’ll want more information……”

                More fucking newspaper articles. Hermie, that’s a waste of my time. The only thing mildly interesting about the first article is that it does, in fact, mention 6 million Jews…..but even now when people say 6 million it is incorrect. Nuremberg mentioned 5.7, Hilburg said 5.1, Reitlinger said 4.8, Snyder says 5.5…..so, please. Enough. Show me some actual proof…….

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 17, 2016 @ 8:47 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Pathetic. So, someone put this hoax in place and erased all traces. How convenient.”

                  That was humor, Jeff. I just like deriding Holohoaxsters’ laughable evasions and evidential standards.

                  Jeff wrote: “More fucking newspaper articles. Hermie, that’s a waste of my time. ”

                  I had warned you. That’s why I had asked you beforehand if a Zionist news paper would do the job. I knew it wouldn’t despite your positive response.

                  I don’t feel like playing with you these days.

                  Comment by hermie — August 18, 2016 @ 9:03 am

                • “I don’t feel like playing with you these days.”

                  I can’t blame you. After the debacle over “Rudenko’s Camps” and Click smacking you around I understand.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 18, 2016 @ 9:32 am

                • Let’s play a game of Faro or Baccarat . No backing cards and everybody checks their Derringer and Daggers at the door. Fracturing any of those 3,gets you kicked out for 30 days. Second time someone breaks them,death penalty. No. I don’t have to adhere to the rules. I’m the house. I get to tip odds in my favor.

                  Comment by Tim — August 18, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “I can’t blame you. After the debacle over “Rudenko’s Camps” and Click smacking you around I understand.”

                  If such self- deceptive beliefs make you happy, I’m glad I could help cheer you up.

                  Comment by hermie — August 19, 2016 @ 9:04 am

                • “Jeff wrote: “I can’t blame you. After the debacle over “Rudenko’s Camps” and Click smacking you around I understand.”

                  “If such self- deceptive beliefs make you happy, I’m glad I could help cheer you up.”

                  Well, you are entitled to your delusions, Hermie. After all, you are the one who believes that the Holocaust was a hoax, not me.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 19, 2016 @ 10:07 am

                • Puerilities…

                  Comment by hermie — August 19, 2016 @ 4:58 pm

              • “Jeff wrote: “Yes, it was funny to watch you squirm. Does it still bother you that she was right? It was funny to watch the typical denier “pee pee” dance when confronted with something you can’t refute.”

                I see you have visibly decided to join Click on her sinking boat. Good for you. Have a nice bath together.”

                Well, denial isn’t just a river in Egypt, it’s Hermie’s coping mechanism.

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 17, 2016 @ 8:49 am

                • Hey guys. I don’t wanna change the subject,but what’s up with the “Nazi Gold Train”? Like I said,I think it’s all BS urban legend. It would make for a damn good ,”Indiana Jones” movie. I bought this up,because of the story in the papers. Seems 2 fools ( one German one pole), have got a new lead. This shit sounds as laughable as Blackbeards buried treasure or the Lost Dutchmans Gold Mine. I think all the gold is probably at “Area 51”. That’s just my proverbial “2 cents”

                  Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 11:09 am

                • Click was finally reduced to label her big quote a ‘little quote’ unrelated to the alleged WW2 gas chambers and go into hiding. But you’re of course free to depict that capitulation and evasion as a great exterminationist victory and join her in her self-ridiculing enterprise if you want to.

                  Comment by hermie — August 19, 2016 @ 9:15 am

                • You wrote: “Click was finally reduced to label her big quote a ‘little quote’ unrelated to the alleged WW2 gas chambers and go into hiding.”

                  What was this “little quote” which caused Click to go into hiding?

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 19, 2016 @ 9:26 am

                • That’s what I was wanting to know.
                  She’s been MIA as of late

                  Comment by Tim — August 23, 2016 @ 7:03 pm

                • “Jeff wrote: “Yes, it was funny to watch you squirm. Does it still bother you that she was right? It was funny to watch the typical denier “pee pee” dance when confronted with something you can’t refute.” I see you have visibly decided to join Click on her sinking boat. Good for you. Have a […]”

                  “Click was finally reduced to label her big quote a ‘little quote’ unrelated to the alleged WW2 gas chambers and go into hiding. But you’re of course free to depict that capitulation and evasion as a great exterminationist victory and join her in her self-ridiculing enterprise if you want to.”

                  Click showed you, as did I, that Hitler said in Mein Kampf he advocated gassing the “Hebrews.” I believe this is rhetoric, Click gives it more meaning. For some reason you don’t think “Hebrews” means Jews.

                  Look at it again:
                  “If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field, the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for the future.”

                  Keys:
                  “twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corruptors….had been held under the gas”

                  and

                  “twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time”

                  Plainly he is talking about gassing and eliminating.

                  Again, rhetoric.

                  Unless you think “Hebrew” means something different than Jews. If you do this will confirm your need for stronger medication.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 19, 2016 @ 10:21 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Click showed you, as did I, that Hitler said in Mein Kampf he advocated gassing the “Hebrews.” I believe this is rhetoric, Click gives it more meaning. For some reason you don’t think “Hebrews” means Jews.”

                  I never said I think ‘Hebrews’ doesn’t mean ‘Jews.’ Are stupid, dishonest, or both?

                  Jeff wrote: “Look at it again: […] Keys: “twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corruptors….had been held under the gas” and “twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time””

                  Keys are useless without any brain to open the doors.

                  Decoding with a brain: Send a number of war profiteers and Marxist agitators, many of them Jewish, to the frontline, and the war will at last cause some deaths useful for your country, plus that will very probably shorten the war (and so save many soldiers’ life).

                  Jeff wrote: “Plainly he is talking about gassing and eliminating.”

                  Yes, warfare gases and deaths on battlefields, i.e. no connection with the alleged WW2 gas chambers, i.e. Click forced into a hole because of shame and humiliation.

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, rhetoric.”

                  The only empty rhetoric I can see is yours.

                  Comment by hermie — August 19, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Click showed you, as did I, that Hitler said in Mein Kampf he advocated gassing the “Hebrews.” I believe this is rhetoric, Click gives it more meaning. For some reason you don’t think “Hebrews” means Jews.”

                  “I never said I think ‘Hebrews’ doesn’t mean ‘Jews.’ Are stupid, dishonest, or both?”

                  Smart enough to realize “Hebrews” means “Jews.” You seem to be having trouble.

                  Hitler actually wrote “Hebrew corruptors,” i.e. Jewish corruptors. This is a fairly common theme of his.

                  Of course he was wrong.

                  Jeff wrote: “Look at it again: […] Keys: “twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corruptors….had been held under the gas” and “twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time””

                  “Keys are useless without any brain to open the doors.”

                  Apparently you lost your key a long time ago.

                  “Decoding with a brain: Send a number of war profiteers and Marxist agitators, many of them Jewish, to the frontline, and the war will at last cause some deaths useful for your country, plus that will very probably shorten the war (and so save many soldiers’ life).”

                  He says “Hebrew corruptors” held under the gas. He even said eliminating them would have shortened the war. See, this is typical denier over thinking to stretch the meanings of words and phrases beyond any normal comprehension.

                  Hitler was fairly blunt, no reason to over think it.

                  Jeff wrote: “Plainly he is talking about gassing and eliminating.”

                  “Yes, warfare gases and deaths on battlefields, i.e. no connection with the alleged WW2 gas chambers, i.e. Click forced into a hole because of shame and humiliation.”

                  Except he wanted to hold these “Hebrew corruptors” under the gas. Pretty obvious, no reason to over think, Hermie shoots blanks again.

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, rhetoric.”

                  “The only empty rhetoric I can see is yours.”

                  Oh well, at least I can figure out what Hitler wrote without all the pointless mental masturbation.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 19, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

                • Furtherglory wrote: “What was this “little quote” which caused Click to go into hiding?”

                  The Mein Kampf quote with Hebrew corrupters held under poison gas.

                  Comment by hermie — August 19, 2016 @ 4:53 pm

                • Whats a “Hebrew corrupter?”Is that like a sell out.

                  Comment by Tim — August 23, 2016 @ 7:06 pm

            • Where’s that cemetery at in relation to the museums location over there?

              Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 12:01 pm

              • You wrote: “Where’s that cemetery at in relation to the museums location over there?”

                I have not been to Majdanek for many years. There might have been a Museum built in one large building since then. When I was there, the Museum was in several buildings. I wrote about the Museum buildings on this page of my website:
                http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek03.html

                Comment by furtherglory — August 17, 2016 @ 12:39 pm

              • One of the readers of my blog, Mr. Lopez, sent me photos taken recently. The photos show that the Museum is still in a number of small buildings.
                https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/photos-of-the-majdanek-death-camp/

                Comment by furtherglory — August 17, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

                • The reason I asked,Hermie or Talbot ( one of them) said they looked on a google map,at the burial site for some mass graves there. I came up with the museum there,but I’m not sure where the mass graves are supposedly located from the museum. Another thing. They put some nazis on trial,that worked at the Natzwieler prison. They said they “murdered” some British spies. Why did they put them on trial? When spies are caught,they usually get executed. Hell we’ve done it plenty of times. So whats the Gospel on that one?

                  Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 1:07 pm

                • Tim – the only alleged mass grave at Majdanek is the massive circular silo which stands at the rear of the camp, and is said to contain the ashes of many of the inmates who were cremated there. There are no other mass graves inside the camp, but there is a large civilian cemetery right next door to it, on the south-eastern side, which has got nothing to do with any burials from the Majdanek camp itself. This cemetery is basically a normal civilian burial site that serves the city of Lublin.

                  The jury is still out of whether that silo contains great quantities of human remains or not. The Germans were certainly cremating bodies of inmates who died in the camp, but how much of the deposits that lie inside this weird silo today are human remains, and how much is earth, sand, compost or even animal remains is open to question.

                  Good point about the spies executed at Natzweiler – what is all the fuss about; it was wartime, and spies get executed.

                  Comment by Talbot — August 17, 2016 @ 1:50 pm

                • You wrote: “The jury is still out of whether that silo contains great quantities of human remains or not. The Germans were certainly cremating bodies of inmates who died in the camp, but how much of the deposits that lie inside this weird silo today are human remains, and how much is earth, sand, compost or even animal remains is open to question.”

                  The following information is from my scrapbookpages.com website:

                  A gigantic, circular Mausoleum at the Majdanek Memorial Site stands at the end of the former “black path” to the crematorium, a walkway that is now called the Road of Homage in English. The structure was designed by architect and sculptor Wiktor Tolkin, the same man who designed the Monument of Struggle and Martyrdom at the other end of the walkway, near the street.

                  The dome of the Mausoleum is pockmarked, as though it had suffered bomb damage in the war. The English translation of the inscription on the frieze of the dome reads “Let our fate be a warning to you.” Under the dome is a huge circular urn, shaped like a saucer, which contains the ashes of some of the victims at Majdanek.

                  Before visiting Majdanek, I had heard about the ashes and I wondered what kept them from blowing away in the wind. The answer is that the ashes were recovered from a compost pile in the camp, where they had been mixed with dirt and garden refuse and composted in preparation for spreading on the vegetable garden in the camp.

                  The material under the dome looks like compacted dirt, the color of adobe. There are a few bone fragments visible. To the left, in front of the steps, are four containers to hold eternal flames for special ceremonies.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 17, 2016 @ 2:28 pm

                • I have an apple phone. I’m not sure who it is that makes the map app on it. I put in the town name and the museum pops up,with the rest of the town. Looking down from a birds eye view,the direction is facing north. What looks to be southwest of there,is where the prison is ( it looks like one of the prisons the way the buildings are laid out). Either you or the Hermienator made mention of viewing the area on the “google earth” map. That came about because one of yall had a falling out with Miss Click over a mass grave. So y’all were looking for some kind of indication where one might be.

                  Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 4:20 pm

                • You wrote: “I put in the town name and the museum pops up,with the rest of the town.”

                  The name of the town that is close to Majdanek is Lublin. The camp is not in the town of Lublin; it is a mile or so outside the town. There is no town that is named Majdanek.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 17, 2016 @ 4:37 pm

                • Tim – What town name are you actually putting into your apple phone – Is it Majdanek or Lublin. Have you actually located the Majdanek camp itself, and does it show a large rectangular area of land that stretches from south-west to north-east. The entrance to the camp stands right alongside a main road that heads directly north-west into the center of Lublin itself.

                  Comment by Talbot — August 17, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

                • Majdanek. Did I get the wrong town? Hey if I did,that would go a long way to explaining why I can’t find the shit I was looking for. Shit like that,wouldn’t be the first time,i went in the wrong direction. You know shit like tourist taking tours of these nazi prisons,seems a tad bit f–ked up. If everything happened the way history said it did,it seems a bit morbid to tour these prisons. It’s not being respectful of the people that died there,because someone is making money off this. People can read about this in the books,if they really want to know what this shit is all about. I think they could get an objective view that way

                  Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 9:56 pm

    • It becomes a “hoax” as the story unfolds. It wasn’t started it just becomes one as evidence is compiled.
      Maybe it should be called the AGENDA…. meaning exaggerate everything that happens to the Jews to make them ALWAYS the victims no matter what…and of course always add more zeroes to any mass killings of supposed homicidal gassings..and lastly, any Jew executed could have been done for real reasons, stealing,rape,murder,treason. Wouldn’t want people to know that would we?

      Comment by rizolitv — August 24, 2016 @ 6:40 am

      • “It becomes a “hoax” as the story unfolds. It wasn’t started it just becomes one as evidence is compiled.”

        That makes no sense. Whatsoever.
        A conspiracy this size needs heavy hitters, Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill, among others. This needed coordination, planning, agreements. This needed to be ironclad to the point that no leaks would ever occur and no one would ever break it. It needed to survive the outbreak of the Cold War and the fall of Communism.

        “Maybe it should be called the AGENDA…. meaning exaggerate everything that happens to the Jews to make them ALWAYS the victims no matter what…”

        Why would the anti-Semitic Stalin agree to this?
        Why would Roosevelt, so reluctant to allow Jews into the USA, agree to this?

        “and of course always add more zeroes to any mass killings of supposed homicidal gassings..and lastly, any Jew executed could have been done for real reasons, stealing,rape,murder,treason. Wouldn’t want people to know that would we?”

        You make no sense. Why would anyone bother themselves?
        You make no sense. None of this makes any sense. You allege that the Jews somehow “control” this yet even without the Holocaust Jews suffered immensely. Why would Jews allow other Jews to suffer?
        Stalin himself was anti-Semetic. Why would he care?

        Keep trying. Denial is simply the product of delusion.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 24, 2016 @ 8:13 am

  3. Furtherglory, you wrote: “The census of 1897 counted 4,899,300 Jews who were crowded into the Pale of Settlement”

    The Pale of Settlement included much of present-day Lithuania, Belarus, Poland, Moldova, Latvia, Ukraine, and parts of western Russia.

    Actually its area is 1,224,008 sq km, equivalent to the areas of Germany, Japan, Poland and Uruguay combined.

    Roughly 250 Million people live today in these 4 countries; thus 5 M Jews were crowded only in their usual lachrymose version of history.

    Comment by a reader — August 15, 2016 @ 1:03 am

  4. So, I posted this over at the Skeptics Forum yesterday in hopes of getting one of the resident deniers there to answer me:

    “So, after another fruitless attempt to have a Holocaust denier prove the Holocaust was in fact, a hoax, I started thinking about how you could pull something like this off.

    The magnitude of trying something like this surprised me.

    You see, most Holocaust deniers look at bits and pieces, not at the whole. They basically disregard any other victims and focus solely on Jews. Our favorite Holocaust denier, Jim Rizoli, does not know anything about the T-4 Program, Operation Tannenberg, the deliberate neglect of the Soviet POWs that led to 2 million Soviet POWs dying between June 1941 to the Spring of 1942 (I’d like to make a small qualification, some of the POWs were murdered in concentration camps like Mauthaussen) or Action 14f13. Now I think Jim is an outlier, people like David Irving or Mattogono and Graf will know what those things were, they simply do not discuss them to any large degree.

    So, what I’ve found is a rather narrow focus on Jews plus the very specific targeting of certain aspects of the Holocaust. For example, gas chambers are particularly targeted. Over the decades deniers took swipes at the Kremas at Birkenau and the gas chambers of Action Reinhard. Recent attempts also include the gas vans. The key to all of this is to muddy the waters sufficiently so that they themselves don’t actually have to prove anything, it is enough to cast doubt on the existence of the gas chambers. Our Monstrous took a swipe at the Einsatzgruppen, this failed but, again, the key is to muddy the waters without having to prove anything. It’s easy to cry “forgery” and overstate the fact that much of the documentation came from the Soviets (never mind the fact that these documents are corroborated by Western/German sources and that the one major attempt the Soviets made to fake Katyn ended in abject failure).

    So, I came back to my original thought. How could something like the Holocaust be faked?

    Well, first of all you needed the compliance and agreement of the major powers of the Second World War, the US, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Not only that you needed the compliance of secondary powers like France and Poland. Poland is particularly important because the deportations of the Jews there was hardly a secret. This agreement needed to be iron clad to the point it could survive any shifts in the political landscape.

    Next, you needed to fake thousands of documents with corresponding copies available on both sides of the Iron Curtain. This also included making or altering records of both civilian and military authorities so that they matched and corroborated each other. This meant that any original German documents contradicting these fakes needed to be tracked down and destroyed or altered in their turn to avoid future historians from discovering the truth.

    Next, all the parties needed to find hundreds of thousands of witnesses that could be intimidated or persuaded to go along with this, along with surviving victims and perpetrators. This also included destroying or altering buildings to match this narrative, along with blueprints of these buildings.

    All of this needed to be started before the end of war and completed by the beginning of any court hearings (keep in mind that the decision to try the Nazi leaders came very late in the game, there was disagreement over this between the allies).

    You also needed the agreement of all the parties to hide the missing Jews in such a way they could never be accounted for.

    Finally, this needed to be done in such that there could never be any leaks.

    Ever. No tell-all memoirs, no press releases from disgruntled ex-spies or secretaries, no ex-Nazis safely living in South America announcing to the world the reality of the hoax, no POWs released from the USSR telling his family about the Jews in the USSR on his deathbed, etc.

    So, I hope our resident “revisionists” will come out of the shadows, take a look at this and tell me how all of this was possible.”

    Unfortunately I didn’t have any luck.

    So, I thought I’d park this over here (since a great many deniers post here) in hopes of finally getting some answers.

    You kids have fun. I’ll poke back around see what you came up with.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 14, 2016 @ 6:41 pm

    • Jeff, did I get kicked off the international Skeptics site? Can’t seem to post.

      Anyway it’s not up to any of us to prove your holohoax, you do. In this topic Majdanek, you don’t put a death camp near a water well…oops…..
      Anyway, Like I said in the past, I am not going to explain your holohoax, you do. There are plenty of lies going back to day one and those lies set up the world for more nonsense and lies. We just half to sit back and expose your lies one by one, get kicked out of forums one by one and prove to the world that we, revisionist are the most dangerous people in the holohoax world. When you and others find they lose the debates then they have to ban us, which is OK because then we win…..CCFIILE.com is a great place to start on the holohoax if your interested…..we don’t need to lie about your holohoax, you do…..

      Comment by rizolitv — August 14, 2016 @ 7:24 pm

      • “Jeff, did I get kicked off the international Skeptics site? Can’t seem to post.”

        The person that posts as “Lemmy Caution” said he is having problems as well.

        “Anyway it’s not up to any of us to prove your holohoax, you do. In this topic Majdanek, you don’t put a death camp near a water well…oops…..”

        I’m not asking you to prove the “Holohoax,” I want you to explain to me how this is possible. You claim the Holocaust is a hoax, fine. I want to know how this is possible.

        “Anyway, Like I said in the past, I am not going to explain your holohoax, you do.”

        Pay attention, Jim. I want you to explain how any of this is possible. How can you claim this is a hoax if you can’t tell me who the major players are, when was this decided, who gave what orders, how was this agreed on, etc.

        “There are plenty of lies going back to day one and those lies set up the world for more nonsense and lies. We just half to sit back and expose your lies one by one, get kicked out of forums one by one and prove to the world that we, revisionist are the most dangerous people in the holohoax world. When you and others find they lose the debates then they have to ban us, which is OK because then we win…..CCFIILE.com is a great place to start on the holohoax if your interested…..we don’t need to lie about your holohoax, you do…..”

        No, you need to explain how it is possible.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 14, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

  5. So let me get this straight, the supposed gas chambers on the left killed people, the building to the right which is closed was for fumigating the clothes, and for what purpose? If this was a killing machine death camp? It would seem to me the stories of the fumigation chambers were certainly getting mixed up with the showers and thus people were being gassed as the horror stories spread and is told now to the gullible public. That makes sense.

    Comment by rizolitv — August 14, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

    • Hey Jimbo! I was wondering when you were gonna wake up. I ran across something last night. You’re pissing off major league players. I see you got the anti defamation league pissed off at you and your brother. I guess anything worth doing,is worth doing right. Personally myself,I’d think that would paint a big ass target on me. Im guessing since your a popular person,you got some friends covering your back. Dan Wesson,Horace Smith or Samuel Colt. Myself,Samuel Colt hangs around my house. “God created man,Samuel Colt made them equal”. Can’t argue there. Just make sure you keep one eye looking over your shoulder.

      Comment by Tim — August 14, 2016 @ 5:59 pm

    • “So let me get this straight” asks Jim Rizoli.

      Well, good luck in your endeavours in this regard, Mr Rizoli, because I don’t think anyone in this world could get this holocaust straight. The entire story is so bizarre to begin with, and in addition, the narrative keeps changing as the months and years roll on.

      My head literally spins with all this talk of showers that sometimes dispense gas – and at other times just water. I’m confused too, with the distinction between fumigation gas chambers and homicidal ones. Sometimes, it seems, the two are combined into one facility (as at Stutthof) where the clothing and bedding was being done in the very same chamber as the exterminations. At Dachau, it would appear that the homicidal gas chamber stood adjacent to the fumigation chambers, whereas at Majdanek you had all three facilities in the same building – showers, fumigation, and homicide.

      I can imagine a situation where the sondercommandos became so confused themselves, that they put all the people sentenced to extermination inside the fumigation chamber, and when they were dead put them back on their bunk-beds inside the barracks; while they put all the bedding into the homicidal chamber and afterwards took it to the crematorium for incineration. Meanwhile all the discarded clothes would be put in the shower, and once dried, sent back to the Reich in order for German civilians to dress up in Jewish costumes.

      Comment by Talbot — August 14, 2016 @ 6:06 pm

    • You wrote: “the supposed gas chambers on the left killed people, the building to the right which is closed was for fumigating the clothes, and for what purpose?”

      When I visited the Majdanek gas chamber building, which is right next door to the clothing disinfection building, I was very worried because I thought that I might be outed as a denier and thrown into prison. The building next door to the gas chamber building is identical, at least on the outside.

      I thought that it was very strange that the Germans were disinfecting the clothing of the prisoners, to prevent death from typhus, while at the same time, they were gassing the Jews in an identical building, with the same Zyklon-B gas. I knew what was inside the building next door because Fred Leuchter had broken into the building and described it. My tour guide would not let me peak into the windows of that building.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 15, 2016 @ 8:45 am

      • Here’s a good one. An Egyptian Olympic athlete got sent packing back to Egypt,because he refused to shake hands with the Israeli,he was competing against. Maybe he knows something we don’t . His own team sent him home. Maybe he knows something we don’t

        Comment by Tim — August 16, 2016 @ 11:19 am

        • I, for one, salute the Egyptian athlete. Could it be that he was so disgusted about Israel’s ultra-violent behaviour towards the Palestinians, and suspected that Israeli athletes are either members of the Israeli Defence forces, or sponsored by them.

          Comment by Talbot — August 17, 2016 @ 10:05 am

  6. The huge stone monument was erected at a time when the Soviets and Poles were trying to convince the world that up to 1.5 million people perished at Majdanek.

    Today, though, with the official numbers of deaths reduced to around 70,000 ( which may itself be open to downward revision at any time), then the edifice is completely out of scale for what is alleged to have happened. In fact – as FG, says – Majdanek was an internment camp for Poles and Jews who might become troublesome for the Germans as the war continued to rage in the east. It also soon became a vital forced-labour supply camp for the various industries and sub-camps scattered around the Lublin region.

    This hideous monument should now be bull-dozed to the ground, and a smaller – more appropriate – commemoration stone erected in its place. From all accounts, the death rate was quite high at Majdanek, but there were no systematic exterminations there at any time during its existence.

    Comment by Talbot — August 14, 2016 @ 12:16 pm

    • You wrote: “This hideous monument should now be bull-dozed to the ground, and a smaller – more appropriate – commemoration stone erected in its place. ”

      When I visited the camp, I was so upset by the sight of that huge monument that I could not set my camera properly, and I didn’t get any good photos of it. I had to borrow photos from another website.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 14, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

      • It wasn’t you. It was your camera. It was rebeling.

        Comment by Tim — August 14, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

    • Once again,numbers are changing. How can a person buy into anything else they say,when they can’t even keep something as simple as a set of numbers straight. I can accept the numbers being off one way or another . However, 1.5 mill,down to 70,000. Come on. I guess maybe the jokes about the poles being idiots,might have some truth to it. They’re clearly some dumb shits if their numbers are off that bad.

      Comment by Tim — August 14, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

      • There’s a lesson for us all at Majdanek – whatever you say and do in life, don’t try and lie and fabricate on a massive scale, because you are bound to be found out sooner or later, and then you lose your credibility altogether and even become a laughing-stock. Little white lies are perhaps sometimes necessary, but not these massive “whoppers” on an epic scale.

        Witness poor old Auschwitz that once proudly proclaimed that over 4 million people died there – but has now reduced this insane total down to a more plausibly absurd 1.1 million. They are also saddled with an embarrassing structure – called Krema 1 – that is alleged to contain a homicidal gas chamber, and a chimney that is not attached to anything. They’ve even got a swimming pool that they try to explain away!

        I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some of the red-faced custodians of Auschwitz go home each night and pray on their knees that Krema 1 and the swimming pool wont be there anymore in the morning, and thus they will be free to lie to their visitors without having any inconvenient artifacts to spoil the narrative.

        Comment by Talbot — August 14, 2016 @ 1:42 pm

        • Thank you for the update. Last I heard the Jew body count was 1.5 mill. Now it’s down to 1.1 mill. That makes 6 different numbers now. Hey. If I never found out how many times the numbers have changed,I would’ve believed everything I heard about this subject. The numbers always changing,is why I started looking into this whole topic

          Comment by Tim — August 14, 2016 @ 2:24 pm

          • Don’t quote me on this, Tim – but I think they are still claiming that 1.5 million people died in Auschwitz, but 1.1 million of them were “exterminated” in some mysterious way, while the other 400,000 lost their lives due to starvation, exhaustion and diseases.

            Comment by Talbot — August 14, 2016 @ 3:13 pm

            • There is one thing the numbers also bring up for me. How is possible for them ( the Jews,historians and other assorted nuts and bolts) be a 100% positive, everyone that ended up dead,was a Jew . I mean is it possible they could have a different ethnic background? Hey I figure if they can’t keep their numbers straight,maybe that’s the next thing they should question. I’ve always bought arrogance into this subject too. I don’t see how any one group of people,could be arrogant enough to think they could wipe out,any one group of people. With the numbers constantly changing,why are the Jews (and their lap dogs) arrogant enough to think people will go on buying into everything,when they can’t keep their facts straight . Once again,for the record,I’m still in the middle on this. Something happened back then,I just don’t know what. “All” of the facts are not being given. It reminds me of pre civil war south. Historians make it sound like hell on earth. Yeah,there were a lot of slaves that had cruel masters. At the same time,there were a lot that weren’t . Which side do the historians tell though. I don’t know. Maybe people like having bad guys around to point at,so they can minimize how f–ked up they are. I can’t think of any other reason why all these people would continue to stay on board each time these numbers change and not raise the first question about them.

              Comment by Tim — August 14, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

            • Talbot wrote: “I think they are still claiming that 1.5 million people died in Auschwitz, but 1.1 million of them were “exterminated” in some mysterious way, while the other 400,000 lost their lives due to starvation, exhaustion and diseases.”

              No, Talbot. It’s now claimed that around 1.1 million people died in Auschwitz-Birkenau. The 1.5-million figure is the figure inscribed on the commemorative plaque which was installed by the Poles in the late 1980s. No longer used by most Holohoaxsters.

              The US Holocaust Memorial Museum now claims that around 1.1 million people DIED in Auschwitz-Birkenau between 1940 and 1945 (see below).

              Jews: 960,000
              Poles: 74,000
              Roma: 21,000
              Soviet prisoners of war: 15,000
              Other nationalities: 12,000
              Total: 1,082,000 (https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005189)

              Comment by hermie — August 15, 2016 @ 6:42 am

              • Cheers, Hermie – so the present total is 1.1 million deaths in Auschwitz, and this is confirmed on the main page of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial Museum website.

                Turning to their “History” page, it says the following;-

                “In 1941, over 26 thousand people were registered in Auschwitz (about 15 thousand Poles, 10 thousand Soviet POWs, and more than 1 thousand Jews).

                As a result of the inclusion of Auschwitz in the process of the mass extermination of the Jews, the number of deportees began to soar. About 197 thousand Jews were deported there in 1942, about 270 thousand the following year, and over 600 thousand in 1944, for a total of almost 1.1 million. Among them, about 200 thousand people were selected as capable of labor and registered as prisoners in the camp.

                In this same period, from 1942 to 1944, about 160 thousand Poles, Gypsies, Byelorussians, Ukrainians, French, and others were registered as prisoners and given numbers. There were also more than 10 thousand people, mostly Poles, Soviet POWs, and Gypsies, not entered in the camp records or given numbers.”

                Comment by Talbot — August 15, 2016 @ 8:42 am

  7. So the good towns folk,sat on their balcony,with the morning paper,drinking their coffee,and watching people being murdered ? That’s one helluva a reach. So this kid was there. That’s the reason why she could deduce this. Maybe somebody else,”gave”her,her take on the situation. Does she know for a fact,people actually did that ? She’s the one that started it. She’s trying to make us believe that’s what happened. Clearly,reality has not popped her cherry yet. Maybe she’s talking semantics. I don’t know. To tell you the truth,she looks like a meth head,that ain’t slept in the past 4 days. Read between the lines here. She’s saying all Germans are cold hearted,assholes. Here’s my question. ” how did she get to be poster child for,”I don’t know how these people can sit on their balconies,drinking coffee,while people are being murdered” train of thought. Seriously. Who the f–k is she? Did she enter a contest to win a free trip to the prison,by having the best essay. Where are the pictures of these apartments that had a wonderful view,of the prison. Was this a working class neighborhood? If so,I don’t imagine people had much time to spend on the balcony ( if those apartments were even built with balconies)

    Comment by Tim — August 14, 2016 @ 12:06 pm

  8. Just another Horror Disneyland that they are making millions on.

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 14, 2016 @ 10:01 am

    • You wrote: “they are making millions on.”

      Are you saying that the Jews are making millions on the Holocaust?

      Comment by furtherglory — August 14, 2016 @ 10:32 am

    • making millions on

      More like billions — Luxemburger AbkommenDarum sicherte die Bundesrepublik Deutschland dem Staat Israel eine globale Erstattung von Eingliederungskosten in Höhe von 3,0 Milliarden DM (in heutiger Kaufkraft rund 7,44 Milliarden Euro) zu… — in 1952, West Germany agreed to compensate Israel with 3.0b DM, including cash reparations, as well as industrial goods, eg trains etc, which today represents approx 7.5b euros — Germany has since agreed to further payments, raising the total even higher.

      Comment by eah — August 14, 2016 @ 12:53 pm


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